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Erikson
03-23-2017, 08:39 AM
My cousin took the Y-37 and was placed in the following category:

E-Z827>Z830>PF1962>M123>M34>M84>CTS1096>Y14899>Y14891>8970404 (and 21089706) [Cluster B6939] DYS448=19 and DYS520=20-assumed.

Short of a couple of SNP's that FTDNA doesn't offer (and I can't test this cousin again for processing at another company), the project administrator pushed the Big Y.

Is there anything else I can do to refine this without upgrading to the Big Y? I'm working on several lines and it's not in the budget.

Also, I've read papers written by A.A. Aliev and D.L. Tartakovsky about Ashkenazim and E1b1b1c1a. Can you point me to something more recent based upon the results that will help me understand the migration pattern.

Erikson
03-23-2017, 05:23 PM
Okay, maybe there were too many details in the category.
So basically these results tell me that this Y ancestor was somewhere in the Middle East several thousand years ago. Is that it?
Anyone? What's the next step or is that it?

kingjohn
03-23-2017, 05:39 PM
ask here :
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/e-3b/activity-feed

https://www.yfull.com/

see here your branch https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y14899/
regards
adam

p.s

nice to see e-m84 with sweedish roots :)

Erikson
03-23-2017, 06:20 PM
see here your branch https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y14899/
regards
adam

p.s

nice to see e-m84 with sweedish roots :)

Anything below the yfull line for E-Y14899 needs further testing, correct? I'm fairly new to Y testing and don't want to assume.

Swedish...ha

kingjohn
03-23-2017, 06:53 PM
i think mfa from this forum knows better than me
but if the prediction is good for your cousin than it is indid aschenazi branch
14682
found in ukranian, belarusian, and german jews i think it was one of the surviving aschenazi bottlneck branches
by the german crusades or the black death ...
regards
Adam
p.s

jews were in sweeden from 1680 if i am not mistaken
so a lot of water in the river passed since than :)

Erikson
03-23-2017, 08:07 PM
It's plausible.
This branch is from German Jews.
Thanks Adam

kingjohn
03-23-2017, 08:20 PM
so your direct paternal line is german jewish ?
can you share with me where in germany ?
regards
adam

p.s
and i thought you are sweedish as erikson is sweedish surname :)

Erikson
03-23-2017, 09:16 PM
so your direct paternal line is german jewish ?
can you share with me where in germany ?
regards
adam

p.s
and i thought you are sweedish as erikson is sweedish surname :)

Just having fun with the name.

This test is for a branch of my family that is known only back to 1735. My ancestor showed up in Rhineland-Palatinate and is found on a marriage document in the 1750's. Another cousin in the same Y branch took the test and matches someone else identically on all 37 markers. The MRCA is unknown between those two people. That identical match is to a person with ancestry in Frankfurt dating back to the 1600's.

kingjohn
03-23-2017, 09:46 PM
cool i have matches with german jews on my x chromosome
15cm with 2 german jews on the same region... :)
regards
adam

german jews are the root of aschenazi :)
so your direct paternal line was german jew yekke cool man :)
by the way y14899 was found in christian palestinian.....
http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project/kitnum/324456
and some other arab belong to this branch.

Erikson
03-24-2017, 05:02 AM
I'm aware that this branch is shared with Arabs and Christian Palestinians. Somewhere far back in time there was a CA. I've seen some entertaining comments in regards to denying and negating that fact.

wandering_amorite
04-04-2017, 11:39 PM
http://jewishdna.net/AB-005.html

ils04
06-20-2017, 07:27 PM
Please join your cousin to FtDNA's E-Y16781 project which I administer alongside Judy Simon. Once joined, he'll be placed under the "E-Y14891 (DYS448=19, DYS520=20)" cluster, which includes men tested/predicted to be Y14891+ but Y16781-. If you need the URL of the project, I'll send it to you directly - posting of web links is apparently not allowed on this forum.

Thank you
Igor Schein

FaerieQueene
01-06-2018, 08:36 PM
by the way y14899 was found in christian palestinian.....
http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project/kitnum/324456
and some other arab belong to this branch.That's me, 324456 is my father, I had him tested.😝

FaerieQueene
01-06-2018, 08:39 PM
I'm aware that this branch is shared with Arabs and Christian Palestinians. Somewhere far back in time there was a CA.Indeed.
I've seen some entertaining comments in regards to denying and negating that fact.I'm curious.

AbdoNumen
01-11-2018, 04:49 AM
Erikson, if you're still interested and haven't ordered the BigY, I recommend taking the E1b-Z834 Panel from YSEQ. It may not be well suited for finding matches like the BigY, but it's much more affordable.
It'll help in narrowing the haplogroup into a more historical time frame.