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Bulat
04-03-2017, 09:28 AM
The genogeography of 67-markers haplotypes R1a. Information: March 2017

I. L. Rozhanskii

http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_15032017_3_3

Total: all 6 260 haplotypes, 142 regions.


http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-3/r1a_67_17032017.png




Vol. 1. R1a YP4141, R1a1 YP1272, Old European R1a1a1- M417*, North-Western-1, North-Western-2, Z283 Parent, M458 Parent, Central European-1, Central European-2, Western Slavic, Central Eurasian-1, Central Eurasian-2,

Vol. 2. Western Carpathian, Western Carpathian-1, Western Eurasian, Southern Carpathian, Eastern Carpathian, Northern Carpathian-1, Northern Carpathian-2, Baltic Carpathian, Baltic Carpathian-1, Baltic Carpathian-2,

Vol. 3. Baltic-1, Baltic-2, Baltic-3, Northern Eurasian, Northern Eurasian-2, Scandinavian Parent, Scandinavian S7759, Old Scandinavian, Young Scandinavian, Scottish Highland,

Vol. 4. Z93 Parent, South-Eastern (unspecified), South-Eastern L657, South-Eastern Y40, South-Eastern Z2122, Ashkenazi Levite, South-Eastern YP413, South-Eastern S23592, South-Eastern Z2123, Uncertain.

04-03-2017, 09:42 AM
Hi Bulat,

What is this pie chart supposed to represent? I am pretty certain that the highest levels of R1a, would be in areas such as Poland,Ukraine,Russia, so to me this pie chart makes no sense?

angscoire
04-03-2017, 09:59 AM
Hi Bulat,

What is this pie chart supposed to represent? I am pretty certain that the highest levels of R1a, would be in areas such as Poland,Ukraine,Russia, so to me this pie chart makes no sense?

Indeed . But speaking of 67 markers .... thought anymore about going beyond Z283 ?

04-03-2017, 10:40 AM
Indeed . But speaking of 67 markers .... thought anymore about going beyond Z283 ?

Hi angscoire,
I have thought about it yes, but not decided yet when I will do it, I was waiting in case LivingDNA might refine it further, if not then yes i'm interested to delve deeper downstream to see where it leads. Im guessing Norway, vias Ireland or Scotland.

RobertCasey
04-03-2017, 03:36 PM
Hi Bulat,

What is this pie chart supposed to represent? I am pretty certain that the highest levels of R1a, would be in areas such as Poland,Ukraine,Russia, so to me this pie chart makes no sense?

He breaks up Poland to many categories - the total is around 635. Russia is also broken up as well - Russia 620. Ukraine is probably under represented. He also breaks up Germany - the total is around 332.

His numbers track my pull from around one year ago (first number is his pull and second is mine):

US/Unknown - 957/1,196
Poland - 635/550
England - 633/466
Russia - 620/468
Scotland - 388/282
Germany - 332/331
Norway - 244/202
Ireland - 193/181
Ukraine - ?/151
UK - 0/139
Sweden - ?/134

I have 5,100 R1a at 67 markers from July, 2016 (plus 20 % pull from November, 2016).

RobertCasey
04-03-2017, 03:56 PM
Bulat - I am attempting to create a string of haplogroup labels for every major haplogroup to be able to quickly sort via a spreadsheet. I want to limit this string to only five or six YSNPs: 1) the major five to ten branches of R1a; 2) major subbranches based on quantity tested and number of branches; 3) another set of branches at the third level (many times, this YSNP is not present); 4) single signature and predictable YSNP branches; 5) terminal YSNP. Here is my first attempt to sort out R1a - actually all of haplogroup R - caution file is 48 MB:

http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/Temp/L21_Master_20161122K.xlsx

In order to fit into the limit of six YSNP branches, a lot of intermediate levels of branching must be eliminated - except when a terminal YSNP makes it possible. Since you have looked at the detail of R1a, how do you sort your testers when it is exported for public consumption via EXCEL spreadsheets ? Do you have an EXCEL version that you could post ?

angscoire
04-04-2017, 05:34 PM
Hi angscoire,
I have thought about it yes, but not decided yet when I will do it, I was waiting in case LivingDNA might refine it further, if not then yes i'm interested to delve deeper downstream to see where it leads. Im guessing Norway, vias Ireland or Scotland.

Well it will be interesting to see what terminal snip LDNA assign me - probably Z283 like yourself. The likelihood is you will be under the Scandinavian branch Z284 (as am I) , although Z280 is in the running too . Welsh R1a is rare and therefore hard to predict , but seeing as you certainly don't belong under the more continental L664 variety of R1a , then Z284 is the next most likely , and most of British Z284 almost certainly arrived from Norway.

Theramster
05-19-2017, 11:24 PM
They haven't included my YP1272
I'm R1a YP1272* on Yfull
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