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Tomenable
04-04-2017, 06:18 PM
Average results of 54 Polish samples in Eurogenes K36 calculator:

Admixture present in x/54 Poles (% range) - avg. %

1) East_Central_Euro 54/54 (17.83 - 33.17) - 24.38
2) Eastern_Euro 54/54 (9.24 - 22.15) - 16.05
3) Fennoscandian 54/54 (6.02 - 16.44) - 12.10
4) North_Sea 54/54 (2.74 - 15.89) - 9.73
5) Central_Euro 54/54 (4.92 - 12.94) - 9.31
6) North_Atlantic 54/54 (0.64 - 12.06) - 6.90
7) East_Balkan 53/54 (1.23 - 11.54) - 6.24

8) Iberian 53/54 (0.06 - 9.0) - 4.57
9) French 52/54 (1.29 - 7.96) - 4.07
10) Italian 43/54 (0.07 - 11.47) - 3.07
11) Basque 40/54 (0.14 - 3.5) - 1.13
12) Volga-Ural 38/54 (0.12 - 4.63) - 1.03
13) North_Caucasian 21/54 (0.05 - 5.73) - 0.60

14) West_Med 14/54 (0.1 - 2.35) - 0.21
15) West_Caucasian 9/54 (0.19 - 2.68) - 0.21
16) Armenian 8/54 (0.07 - 3.19) - 0.15
17) East_Med 1/54 (3.77) - 0.07
18) South_Central_Asian 4/54 (0.26 - 1.11) - 0.05
19) Amerindian 5/54 (0.13 - 1.17) - 0.05
20) Oceanian 4/54 (0.06 - 0.67) - 0.02
21) Arabian 1/54 (1.04) - 0.02
22) West_African 2/54 (0.3 - 0.38) - 0.01
23) Northeast_African 1/54 (0.24) - 0.004

24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
25) East_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
26) East_Central_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
35) Central_African 0/54 - 0.00
36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00

parastais
04-07-2017, 07:51 PM
12% Fenno-Scandian, interesting, interesting..

parastais
04-07-2017, 07:55 PM
Why it is interesting?

RISE598 Lithuania LBA [908-485 BC]
Fennoscandian 4%


Modern Balts
FennoScandian ~17%

So, after 500 BCE, Poles earned some extra 8% Fenno-Scandian and Balts earned extra 13%.

singingfalls
05-13-2017, 08:56 PM
My percentages compared to the averages.


Admixture present in x/54 Poles(% range) - avg. %

1) East_Central_Euro 54/54(17.83 - 33.17) - 24.38
2) Eastern_Euro 54/54(9.24 - 22.15) - 16.05
3) Fennoscandian 54/54(6.02 - 16.44) - 12.10
4) North_Sea 54/54(2.74 - 15.89) - 9.73
5) Central_Euro 54/54(4.92 - 12.94) - 9.31
6) North_Atlantic 54/54(0.64 - 12.06) - 6.90
7) East_Balkan 53/54(1.23 - 11.54) - 6.24

8) Iberian 53/54(0.06 - 9.0) - 4.57
9) French 52/54(1.29 - 7.96) - 4.07
10) Italian 43/54(0.07 - 11.47) - 3.07
11) Basque 40/54(0.14 - 3.5) - 1.13
12) Volga-Ural 38/54(0.12 - 4.63) - 1.03
13) North_Caucasian 21/54(0.05 - 5.73) - 0.60

14) West_Med 14/54(0.1 - 2.35) - 0.21
15) West_Caucasian 9/54(0.19 - 2.68) - 0.21
16) Armenian 8/54(0.07 - 3.19) - 0.15
17) East_Med 1/54(3.77) - 0.07
18) South_Central_Asian 4/54(0.26 - 1.11) - 0.05
19) Amerindian 5/54(0.13 - 1.17) - 0.05
20) Oceanian 4/54(0.06 - 0.67) - 0.02
21) Arabian 1/54(1.04) - 0.02
22) West_African 2/54(0.3 - 0.38) - 0.01
23) Northeast_African 1/54(0.24) - 0.004

24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
25) East_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
26) East_Central_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
35) Central_African 0/54 - 0.00
36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00


Admixture present in StanleyPetrowski

1) East_Central_Euro 27.95
2) Eastern_Euro 15.99
3) Fennoscandian 8.04
4) North_Sea 10.90
5) Central_Euro 11.69
6) North_Atlantic 2.51
7) East_Balkan 8.64

8) Iberian 2.89
9) French 5.92
10) Italian 3.94
11) Basque 0.59
12) Volga-Ural 0.97
13) North_Caucasian 0.00

14) West_Med 0.00
15) West_Caucasian 0.00
16) Armenian 0.00
17) East_Med 0.00
18) South_Central_Asian 0.00
19) Amerindian 0.00
20) Oceanian 0.00
21) Arabian 0.00
22) West_African 0.00
23) Northeast_African 0.00

24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
25) East_Asian 0.00
26) East_Central_Asian 0.00
27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
35) Central_African 0.00
36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00

lukaszM
05-29-2017, 12:48 PM
My percentages compared to the averages.


I now find this. Your results in K36 oracle developed by me and Tomenable for Polish regional results.

Second result Carpathian Rusyns + Pl_Sudovia (Suwalskie region) situated you in Lubelskie exactly. We don't have Lublin region in oracle separately.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_Mazovia @ 7,341164
2 PL_mixed @ 7,894767
3 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,691388
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 9,473936
5 Belarusian_West @ 9,667333
6 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,992773
7 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,145778
8 Ukrainian_East @ 10,1721
9 PL_Wielkopolska @ 10,2611
10 Belarusian_East @ 10,376609
11 PL_Sudovia @ 10,656491
12 Russian_Smolensk @ 10,859555
13 Pl_Kashubians @ 11,019139
14 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 11,034286
15 Russian_Voronezh @ 11,107011
16 Russian_Oryol @ 11,248792
17 Russian_Kursk @ 11,438755
18 PL_South_Poland @ 11,529652
19 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 12,008698
20 Pl_north @ 12,088031
322 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,341164
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 7,396363
3 PL_Mazovia+PL_mixed @ 7,508892
4 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_mixed @ 7,617325
5 PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,704337
6 PL_Sudovia+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 7,811327
7 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,822534
8 PL_Sudovia+PL_mixed @ 7,872685
9 PL_mixed+PL_mixed @ 7,894767
10 PL_Sudovia+PL_South_Poland @ 8,020929
11 PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 8,088284
12 PL_Upper_Silesia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,133164
13 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia @ 8,223941
14 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,227032
15 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Mazovia @ 8,228305
16 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia @ 8,252916
17 Ukrainian_East+PL_Mazovia @ 8,276112
18 Ukrainian_East+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,320921
19 PL_South_Poland+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 8,34093
20 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Mazovia @ 8,361928
52003 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,050745
2 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,153703
3 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,264418
4 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,278937
5 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,283905
6 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,296941
7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Montenegro @ 7,301616
8 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,302737
9 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Slovenian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,323528
10 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_mixed @ 7,324412
11 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_mixed @ 7,354025
12 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Montenegro @ 7,361421
13 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Croatian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,373148
14 50% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_mixed @ 7,376359
15 50% PL_Sudovia +25% West_Serbian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,389116
16 50% PL_mixed +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 7,3895
17 50% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,396363
18 50% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_mixed @ 7,39638
19 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_mixed @ 7,410275
20 50% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia @ 7,41588
10760173 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,050745
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasi e_East_Mazovia @ 7,142424
3 Croatian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,153703
4 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_mixed @ 7,216041
5 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazo via+PL_mixed @ 7,239922
6 Croatian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Ma zovia @ 7,243233
7 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 7,264418
8 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazo via+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,278937
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Podlasi e_East_Mazovia @ 7,283905
10 Croatian+PL_Sudovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_Po dlasie_East_Mazovia @ 7,296941

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lukaszM
05-29-2017, 12:55 PM
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Silesian
05-29-2017, 10:24 PM
Average results of 54 Polish samples in Eurogenes K36 calculator:

Admixture present in x/54 Poles (% range) - avg. %My results%

1) East_Central_Euro 54/54 (17.83 - 33.17) - 24.38=22.93%
2) Eastern_Euro 54/54 (9.24 - 22.15) - 16.05=17.15%
3) Fennoscandian 54/54 (6.02 - 16.44) - 12.10=8.36%
4) North_Sea 54/54 (2.74 - 15.89) - 9.73=11.06%
5) Central_Euro 54/54 (4.92 - 12.94) - 9.31=7.12%
6) North_Atlantic 54/54 (0.64 - 12.06) - 6.90=9.18%
7) East_Balkan 53/54 (1.23 - 11.54) - 6.24=2.53%

8) Iberian 53/54 (0.06 - 9.0) - 4.57=4.94%
9) French 52/54 (1.29 - 7.96) - 4.07=4.80%
10) Italian 43/54 (0.07 - 11.47) - 3.07=6.17%
11) Basque 40/54 (0.14 - 3.5) - 1.13=0%
12) Volga-Ural 38/54 (0.12 - 4.63) - 1.03=2.10%
13) North_Caucasian 21/54 (0.05 - 5.73) - 0.60=2.75%

14) West_Med 14/54 (0.1 - 2.35) - 0.21=0.90%
15) West_Caucasian 9/54 (0.19 - 2.68) - 0.21=0%
16) Armenian 8/54 (0.07 - 3.19) - 0.15=0%
17) East_Med 1/54 (3.77) - 0.07=0%
18) South_Central_Asian 4/54 (0.26 - 1.11) - 0.05=0%
19) Amerindian 5/54 (0.13 - 1.17) - 0.05=0%
20) Oceanian 4/54 (0.06 - 0.67) - 0.02=0%
21) Arabian 1/54 (1.04) - 0.02=0%
22) West_African 2/54 (0.3 - 0.38) - 0.01=0%
23) Northeast_African 1/54 (0.24) - 0.004=0%

24) Siberian 0/54 - 0.00
25) East_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
26) East_Central_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
27) Indo-Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
28) South_Chinese 0/54 - 0.00
29) South_Asian 0/54 - 0.00
30) Malayan 0/54 - 0.00
31) Near_Eastern 0/54 - 0.00
32) North_African 0/54 - 0.00
33) East_African 0/54 - 0.00
34) Omotic 0/54 - 0.00
35) Central_African 0/54 - 0.00
36) Pygmy 0/54 - 0.00

Thanks for the new calculator!

Waldemar
05-30-2017, 08:46 AM
My wife's results (her family has deep roots in Kociewie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kociewie) region, northern Poland)...

Amerindian 0.13
Central_Euro 6.41
East_Balkan 7.09
East_Central_Euro 22.13
Eastern_Euro 12.66
Fennoscandian 13.40
French 2.79
Iberian 10.68
Italian 0.94
North_Atlantic 8.33
North_Caucasian 4.11
North_Sea 9.81
Pygmy 0.14
Volga-Ural 1.11
West_Med 0.23

lukaszM
05-30-2017, 09:51 AM
My wife's results (her family has deep roots in Kociewie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kociewie) region, northern Poland)...

Amerindian 0.13
Central_Euro 6.41
East_Balkan 7.09
East_Central_Euro 22.13
Eastern_Euro 12.66
Fennoscandian 13.40
French 2.79
Iberian 10.68
Italian 0.94
North_Atlantic 8.33
North_Caucasian 4.11
North_Sea 9.81
Pygmy 0.14
Volga-Ural 1.11
West_Med 0.23

In her case Iberian reflects rather NW-Euro ancestry (when combined with North-Atlantic and North-Sea). Admix4 results gives her strong NW Euro admixtures

Iberian component in some Western Euro regions:
Holland 8,94% Iberian,
Belgium 14,25%
France North-East 17,8%

Silesian
05-30-2017, 09:52 AM
I now find this. Your results in K36 oracle developed by me and Tomenable for Polish regional results.......


Wow fantastic skills.
In the spirit of making a fair and equitable calculator and including other Middle Eastern ydna contributing clans like ydna J and ydna E .
Is it possible to use ancient samples for an exclusive Yamnaya-R1b-Z2103+ calculator. I was thinking along the lines of parsing the ancient samples along the lines of excluding all R1b-L51+ and all I and R1a samples not found in Yamnaya, to form a new calculator. In addition to all Yamnaya R1b samples/Bell Beaker R1b-Z2103+Vučedolska kultura R1b-Z2103+[Afanasevo culture/ when they become available] + using all Mesolithic/Neolithic European R1b samples 4000K-14000K+/- [WHG/EHG]+ ancient CHG[Caucasus] ydna J + ancient Iran Mesolithic + ancient ydna E Natufian' s to represent a accurate calculator for R1b Z2103+:)

Mis
05-30-2017, 09:55 AM
@ lukaszM
Z tym dialektem Wielkopolski to trochę Pan pofolgował. Jak to ma się do ziemi Chełmińskiej ?

lukaszM
05-30-2017, 09:57 AM
@Silesian

Could be problem with uploading some of them to Gedmatch. I'm not tested so far correlation between Y-DNa and autosomal components but I have very big sample of Finns (about 500 people) divided by haplogroups. If I find time I want to test all of them I find if for example N guys have more Fennoscandian / Siberian, R1b and I are morth North Sea, R1a are most Eastern Euro etc...

If results will be what I suspect I can think about making averages based on Y-DNA correlation.

lukaszM
05-30-2017, 09:58 AM
@ lukaszM
Z tym dialektem Wielkopolski to trochę Pan pofolgował. Jak to ma się do ziemi Chełmińskiej ?

A to nie moja mapa:) Tak się dzielą dialekty, Ziemia Chełmińska ma więcej wpływów wielkopolskich niż mazowieckich. To już pytanie do lingwistów polskich czemu.

lgmayka
05-30-2017, 10:00 AM
My wife's results (her family has deep roots in Kociewie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kociewie) region, northern Poland)...
...
Iberian 10.68

Kit #155259 gets 3% Iberia in FTDNA's MyOrigins. On Gedmatch he is #Z611219. On Eurogenes K36 he gets:
---
Population
Armenian 2.20
Basque 2.51
Central_Euro 2.64
East_Balkan 5.19
East_Central_Euro 22.66
Eastern_Euro 13.89
Fennoscandian 14.90
French 2.23
Iberian 11.39
Italian 8.34
North_Atlantic 5.66
North_Sea 7.35
Volga-Ural 0.40
West_Med 0.65
---

lukaszM
05-30-2017, 10:05 AM
Kit #155259 gets 3% Iberia in FTDNA's MyOrigins. On Gedmatch he is #Z611219. On Eurogenes K36 he gets:
---
Population
Armenian 2.20
Basque 2.51
Central_Euro 2.64
East_Balkan 5.19
East_Central_Euro 22.66
Eastern_Euro 13.89
Fennoscandian 14.90
French 2.23
Iberian 11.39
Italian 8.34
North_Atlantic 5.66
North_Sea 7.35
Volga-Ural 0.40
West_Med 0.65
---

Iberian in K36 means something different. It's not really Spanish ancestry but rather SW-Euro.


I'n not included Iberian at the top of course

France 21,202
White_Mexicans 20,058
France_Central 19,448
FR_Bretagne 19,354
Colombia 18,831
Puerto_Rico 18,800
IT_Aosta 18,732
Argentina 17,940
Swiss_Italian 17,780
IT_Piedmont 17,743
IT_North 17,562
France_NorthEast 17,130
FR_Corsica 16,810
France_NorthWest 16,780
Castizo_Mexicans 16,714
Dominicana 16,488
Northern_Ireland 15,290
IT_Lazio 15,282
IT_Tuscany 14,947
Morocco 14,808
Tunisia 14,636
Ireland 14,580
IT_Friuli 14,488
Chile_Mestizo 14,430
Algeria 14,382
Belgium 14,253
Swiss_German 14,219
Honduras-Nicaragua 13,903
IT_Marche 13,785
British_mixed 13,732
England 13,474
Peru_Mestizo 13,285
IT_Veneto 12,928
CostaRica 12,575
South_Germany 12,162
Mestizo_Mexicans 12,158
German_West 12,135
Scotland 11,862
IT_Abruzzo 11,770
IT_Campania 11,346
Malta 11,024
Austria 10,967
Sicily_Messina 10,960
Sicily_Caltanisetta 10,950
Sicily_Trapani 10,921
Orcadian 10,920
Sicily_Palermo 10,770
Gr_Eubea 10,705
Kosovo 10,550
Sicily_Agrigento 10,378
Sicily_Catania 10,261
IT_Apulia 10,108
Albania_North 10,020
Bosnian 9,922
Romania_NW 9,870
Slovenian 9,833
Albania_South 9,819
NE_Romania 9,801
Ecuador 9,704
Sephardi_Jews 9,633
Albania_Montenegro 9,594
Askhenazi 9,534
South_Holland 9,362
Romania_Central 9,315
Greek_Peloponnes 9,229
GR_Central 9,200
Albania_FYROM 9,124
IT_Calabria 9,015
Holland 8,937
German_North 8,831
Sicily_Ragusa 8,808
Hungary 8,780
Austria_Tyrol 8,605
Norway 8,588
GR_Dodecanes 8,560
Romania_SE 8,525
PL_SE_Carpathia 8,521
Denmark 8,477
Serbian 8,434
Gr_Andros 8,355
West_Serbian 8,298
Bulgaria 8,278
Greek_Macedonia 8,178
GR_Kythera 8,170
Czechs_Moravians 8,154
Ashkenazi_Eastern_Euro 8,110
Croatian 8,054
Gr_Kalymnos 7,995
German_East 7,642
SA_Coloureds 7,589
Gr_Chios 7,140
Carpathian_Rusyns 6,993
BLG_Turk 6,816
Slovak 6,780
Sweden 6,780
South_Romania 6,678
PL_South_Poland 6,635
GR_Ikaria 6,415
PL_Upper_Silesia 6,415

lukaszM
05-30-2017, 10:08 AM
Ireland for example has 14,58%. So it very deep component obviously.

Waldemar
05-30-2017, 10:29 AM
The birthplaces of my wife's grandparents and her family name distribution in the West Prussian Land Register of 1772-1773
https://s17.postimg.org/z2hnboalr/Screen_Hunter_1881_May._30_11.30.jpg

singingfalls
06-01-2017, 04:32 AM
This is great skill. Thank you. I am in Poland now! It is nothing short of a miracle but I have found thousands of families members in this area. I am staying in Adamówka for ten days and then on up to Wroclaw for a week. By mere chance I have found a relative who once served as mayor of Tarnogrod and is greatly invested in his family tree. I am thrilled. Keep up the good work! And thank you for the resutls.

lgmayka
06-01-2017, 02:24 PM
By mere chance I have found a relative who once served as mayor of Tarnogrod and is greatly invested in his family tree.
Please tell your newly found relatives that Groupon is still offering Family Finder for $60 (https://www.groupon.com/deals/family-tree-dna-1-1-chicago-1) (plus shipping if necessary). If Groupon doesn't operate in Poland, you can buy FF vouchers as gifts or on their behalf, etc.

singingfalls
06-02-2017, 03:59 AM
Yes. I talked about it last evening with my cousins. I will continue to do so.