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paoloferrari
05-15-2017, 08:24 PM
A simple curiosity, I was doing a quick search on wikipedia on North Asian populations with a fair percentage of r1b and the first I found was this:the khants, they speak a uralic language, they have a high percentage of r1b and live more or less in the area of afontova gora , They have 19.1% of r1b, 4.3% r1a, 0% Q and 76% N; watching the pictures on wikipedia you can see that they have Mongolian features but blond shades in hair; doing a search with google images you can find other examples even clearer than the photo on wikipedia.i think that there are good chances blondism originated there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanty#/media/File:Khanty_family.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Central_and_Nort h_Asia

Observer
05-16-2017, 11:22 AM
That is mtDNA R1b, Afontova Gora 3 was a female.

Kristiina
05-16-2017, 11:43 AM
This is the text:

"The derived allele of the KITLG SNP rs12821256 that is associated with – and likely causal for – blond hair in Europeans4,5 is present in one hunter-gatherer from each of Samara, Motala and Ukraine (I0124, I0014 and I1763), as well as several later individuals with Steppe ancestry. Since the allele is found in populations with EHG but not WHG ancestry, it suggests that its origin is in the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) population. Consistent with this, we observe that earliest known individual with the derived allele is the ANE individual Afontova Gora 3,3 which is directly dated to 16130-15749 cal BCE (1471060 BP, MAMS-27186: a previously unpublished date that we newly report here)."

Iron Gates R1b hunter-gatherers c. 10000-6000 BCE in the Balkans were WHG.

paoloferrari
05-17-2017, 11:36 AM
That is mtDNA R1b, Afontova Gora 3 was a female.

yes,thank you,but i know very well(r1b in the title was only related to my nord asian population research);i think now also stones in the middle of the road(thanks to some people who repeat it until exahustation) know that the oldest y r1b found so far comes from villabruna in north italy(i don't care that it comes from north italy :nothing change to me having become neither richer nor beautiful)