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St. Pierre
05-28-2017, 08:09 PM
Hi, I am new to genetic genealogy and had my DNA done at Ancestry and 23andMe, 23andMe gave me as positive for haplogroup R-U152 so I put my raw data into Promethease and got positive for R1b1a2a1a1b3c/L2/S139, I also uploaded to WeGene(said positive for R1b1a1a2a1a2b1/L2) and Gedmatch(said positive for R1b1b2a1a2d3*/L2 and then I tried Ann Turners 23andME to YSNP's and that tool gave me as R1b1a2a1a1b3c/L2(formerly R1b1b2a1a2d3) so my question is does this show without a doubt that I come from the L2 subclade of R1b-U152 or would more testing need to be done? Another interesting thing is my paternal line of the St. Pierre's came to Canada in 1664 from Rouen, Normandy France and had been in Normandy according to records and family legend since coming to the area with the Viking Rollo, some of the family went to England and were called Bunbury as a surname. Any help is appreciated

Ravai
05-28-2017, 09:28 PM
Hello St. Pierre,

You can search your raw data if you have this record as:

rs2566671 Y 5755550 T

If it's the same, you're L2.

However, L2 can be about 4,500 years old. Surely you would be interested in moving forward until you find your terminal SNP. For this I recommend the company FTDNA; Recommended option: Y12 + BigY

Regards

St. Pierre
05-28-2017, 09:33 PM
Thanks Ravai, I do have have that snp exactly as you wrote it.

Vitalis of Gaul
05-28-2017, 09:53 PM
Just got my BIG Y results in, waiting for the BAM file to be prepared so I can distribute it to YFull. So far this is what was marked:

CTS9044+, F115+, F1209+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2142+, F2155+, F2587+, F2688+, F2837+, F2985+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F3335+, F3556+, F3692+, F47+, F719+, F82+, L1090+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L585+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L779+, L82+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M299+, M306+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M74+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P231+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P311+, P312+, P316+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00083+, PF2591+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF3561+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6409+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6520+, PF6524+, s3+, U152+, V168+, V186+, V205+, V221+, V241+, V250+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000288+, Z21113+, Z259+, L2+, Z34+, CTS10834+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3358+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS4244+, CTS4368+, CTS623+, Z276+, Z34+, Z33-, CTS6911-, CTS8178-, CTS3936-, CTS1640-, Z275-, PF7623-

Anyone see anything standing out? Still very new to genetic genealogy..

MitchellSince1893
05-28-2017, 10:41 PM
Just got my BIG Y results in, waiting for the BAM file to be prepared so I can distribute it to YFull. So far this is what was marked:

CTS9044+, F115+, F1209+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2142+, F2155+, F2587+, F2688+, F2837+, F2985+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F3335+, F3556+, F3692+, F47+, F719+, F82+, L1090+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L585+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L779+, L82+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M299+, M306+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M74+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P231+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P311+, P312+, P316+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00083+, PF2591+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF3561+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6409+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6520+, PF6524+, s3+, U152+, V168+, V186+, V205+, V221+, V241+, V250+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000288+, Z21113+, Z259+, L2+, Z34+, CTS10834+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3358+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS4244+, CTS4368+, CTS623+, Z276+, Z34+, Z33-, CTS6911-, CTS8178-, CTS3936-, CTS1640-, Z275-, PF7623-

Anyone see anything standing out? Still very new to genetic genealogy..
Are you a member of the FTDNA U152 project? Quick look at your SNPs leads me to think you are on a new branch of U152> L2> Z258,Z367,Z384>Z34 as you are Z33- and I don't see FGC46730 on your list.

Vitalis of Gaul
05-29-2017, 01:36 AM
I joined the FTDNA U152 project. My results show 28 shared novel variants with individuals of the surname Medlin, Maudlin and Madelin, names originating from Cornwall, UK. I wonder if YFull will or can attribute me a different terminal SNP, or if a hint of one was in the SNPs mentioned above.

Vitalis of Gaul
05-29-2017, 09:53 PM
FGC46730 doesn't even show up when I search in the SNP results list (derived and non) Still I find interesting being Z34+ yet Z33-

A.Morup
05-30-2017, 08:00 AM
Hi Vitalis!

Being Z34+ and Z33- your nearest BigY matches must be the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelin cluster, of which only one has joined Ytree.net: http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=1616

On Yfull there is a cluster of persons who are Z34+ but Z33- (called Z35 at Yfull). This could be the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelins, but I don't know: https://yfull.com/tree/R-Z34/

I suggest you get in contact with the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelins via BigY matches and ask them if they are on Yfull and which kit numbers. On the same occasion, you could try to convince them to join Ytree (free!). Just be aware that Ytree is a bit bogged down these months with kits in the Z34 cluster that have been awaiting final processing for over 6 months now :-(

I am a relative close match of yours, also having the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelins as BigY matches. I am "Nielsen" on Ytree and kit YF07058 under Z34 at Yfull.

Now - if you sort your BigY matches according to "Shared novel variants" so the ones with the highest numers are on top of the list and then click on the number of shared variants, a new window will open.
There are 3 panels in the window: "Shared", "[your name] SNPs" and "[match name] SNPs". The interesting pane is the one with your name - these are your real "novel SNPs".
Yfull has the most precise age estimate, but will only use the novel SNPs that are in the so called "combBED" area and then calculate 144 years / novel SNP. But until you have your Yfull results you can make a useful estimate of the number of years since the common ancestor between you and a BigY match by counting 100 years / "novel SNP" between you and a given FTDNA BigY match. For a slightly more precise estimate, use the average number of your novel SNPs and those of your match.
Repeat for your top-5 of matches with the highest "Shared novel variants" to get a picture of how close you are to your closest BigY match.

Kind regards
Anders

hadleyro1
06-24-2018, 12:17 AM
Y Full just assigned me to a new subclade
R-Y146179 CTS8219 * BY31326 * BY31329+23 SNPs

Now I'm simply more specific but no closer to more connections. It is somewhat frustraiting.... Instead of more answers I have more questions!

lgmayka
06-24-2018, 10:03 PM
Y Full just assigned me to a new subclade
R-Y146179 CTS8219 * BY31326 * BY31329+23 SNPs

R-Y146179 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y146179/): You are a close match to an anonymous sample from Utah (NA11994).

Owensworld
01-01-2020, 07:05 PM
duplicate post removed

Owensworld
01-01-2020, 07:07 PM
Hi Vitalis!

Being Z34+ and Z33- your nearest BigY matches must be the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelin cluster, of which only one has joined Ytree.net: http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=1616

On Yfull there is a cluster of persons who are Z34+ but Z33- (called Z35 at Yfull). This could be the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelins, but I don't know: https://yfull.com/tree/R-Z34/

I suggest you get in contact with the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelins via BigY matches and ask them if they are on Yfull and which kit numbers. On the same occasion, you could try to convince them to join Ytree (free!). Just be aware that Ytree is a bit bogged down these months with kits in the Z34 cluster that have been awaiting final processing for over 6 months now :-(

I am a relative close match of yours, also having the Medlin, Maudlin and Madelins as BigY matches. I am "Nielsen" on Ytree and kit YF07058 under Z34 at Yfull.

Now - if you sort your BigY matches according to "Shared novel variants" so the ones with the highest numers are on top of the list and then click on the number of shared variants, a new window will open.
There are 3 panels in the window: "Shared", "[your name] SNPs" and "[match name] SNPs". The interesting pane is the one with your name - these are your real "novel SNPs".
Yfull has the most precise age estimate, but will only use the novel SNPs that are in the so called "combBED" area and then calculate 144 years / novel SNP. But until you have your Yfull results you can make a useful estimate of the number of years since the common ancestor between you and a BigY match by counting 100 years / "novel SNP" between you and a given FTDNA BigY match. For a slightly more precise estimate, use the average number of your novel SNPs and those of your match.
Repeat for your top-5 of matches with the highest "Shared novel variants" to get a picture of how close you are to your closest BigY match.

Kind regards
Anders


The Z34+, Z33- cluster you mention on Y Full are the Madelin, Maudlin, Maidlin, Medlin, Maitlen, etc. group as you surmised.

Owensworld
01-01-2020, 07:08 PM
I joined the FTDNA U152 project. My results show 28 shared novel variants with individuals of the surname Medlin, Maudlin and Madelin, names originating from Cornwall, UK. I wonder if YFull will or can attribute me a different terminal SNP, or if a hint of one was in the SNPs mentioned above.

Apologies again for my absence from this forum the past several years. Just an FYI, there is currently no identified connection of the Maidlin, Medlin, Maudlin, Madelin group/cluster to Cornwall. The only confirmed DNA connection in England traces to Shropshire. Tested Medlin/Medlyns more recently from Cornwall do not share Y DNA, nor do Maitlands from Scotland, in both cases running contrary to presumed origins by individuals having both those surnames and entirely based on current distribution of those surnames.

All indications are that the original shared surname was something like Maidlin or Madelin and like Maudlin all derivatives of the female name Magdalene. This of course then raises questions as to whether any possible connection to French Madelienes, who have highest frequency in Normandy which is also documented as once having high frequency of matronymics, suggesting there could be multiple Y DNA lines associated with the name. Unfortunately no identified test samples to compare to yet. Of course this would also lead back to question about connection of Cornish Medlins given geography, but no yet Y DNA connection found.

Your Y DNA being closest outside the group and approx half the distance to the next closest, which have origin in Sweden, is suggesting the Viking to Normandy and Norman invasion path a more likely one (still many other possibilities), yet the age estimates on the SNPs would appears more ancient path from Scandinavia to England.

Just a little background on the cluster - started with my having close Y67 match with Wayne Modlin which helped me solve my great grandfathers identity change from Maitlen to Wright. The Maitlens led me back to Maidlins in Virginia, which were also claimed as ancestors of Medlins in NC, and turned we had a common Y. Search for Maidlin and other common soundex based surnames, including Madelin pointed to the english midlands, primarily Warwickshire and Shropshire and an NPE Maudlin match (Goff) also traced back to Shropshire. I then found a Madelin test candidate in England and confirmed he had common Y and paternal line back to Shropshire.

In addition to finding no connection to Cornish Medlins or Scottish Maitlands, we have also tested one other Shropshire Madelin and turned out he did not share our Y, but rather shared a Y with unrelated Madeleys.

Sorting out more precise relatedness of these different lines and ancient path of our Y to England are ongoing projects. There are a few other possible reasons for the name origin, but the matronymic surname from Normandy turned patronymic surname in England currently appears to be the least complicated.

Paul Wright

Owensworld
01-07-2020, 05:17 PM
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I joined the FTDNA U152 project. My results show 28 shared novel variants with individuals of the surname Medlin, Maudlin and Madelin, names originating from Cornwall, UK. I wonder if YFull will or can attribute me a different terminal SNP, or if a hint of one was in the SNPs mentioned above.



Hello,
Hopefully you’ve seen my posts about our shared Y.

Any chance you will be upgrading your Big Y to the new Big Y700, which adds about 40% SNPs and STRs.

I’m hoping we can refine estimated mutation rates for our Y.

2 of the 6 in my group are upgraded, but 4 more ordered (total of 6 of 10 when done) including some with documented relationships

If you’d like to discuss any of this, please let me know.

Paul Wright