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Claudio
05-30-2017, 07:34 PM
Hi there.. I am English with an Italian father and my results included 3%west Asian Middle East and I have been trying to pinpoint whereabouts in Middle East as this covers a lot of ground on the map.. I had already posted this question elsewhere but I just today noticed that although I scored 0% for caucasus I noticed that next to the 0% (unlike other 0% tested ethnicity's where it says 0-0 range) there is a small 0-2 range on my caucasus test result as if they tested me for caucasus and there was a trace but not enough to asign me a full 1%🤔
Does this indicate that my 3% Middle East comes from North rather than South?
and if so why was my 3% West Asian not assigned 2% Middle East 1% caucasus instead or such of such? 🤔
Or does this indicate central Middle East levant,Syria,Iraq,Iran.. rather than Turkey or Arabia? Or such and such? Any theories?🤔

Erik
05-30-2017, 10:03 PM
Nearly all Southern Europeans will get a small amount of West Asian/North African. On the flip side, most North Africans and West Asians will score some Southern European. It's really not surprising given the amount of migration across the Mediterranean.

Claudio
05-31-2017, 04:51 PM
I have uploaded my data to Gedmatch.. Anyone got any reccomended programmes i should run to try and pinpoint my 3% West Asian Middle Eastern Dna's likely placed of origin?

Erik
05-31-2017, 05:50 PM
I have uploaded my data to Gedmatch.. Anyone got any reccomended programmes i should run to try and pinpoint my 3% West Asian Middle Eastern Dna's likely placed of origin?

There is no real place of origin, it's just what you get being half Italian

Claudio
05-31-2017, 07:44 PM
When I get my results back from 23andMe do you think they will interpret it differently?
Least i'll be able to reference it with there "timescale feature" if it does comes up 🤔

crossover
06-03-2017, 11:26 PM
did you get any jewish %'s as well?

Saba123
06-04-2017, 02:57 AM
Yeah, its very common for Italians to have West Asian DNA, I would be more surprised if you did not have West Asian. If you would like to know the source I suggest you look into the history of the town in Italy your family is from. Also the history of Arab invasions in Italy

Claudio
06-04-2017, 11:28 AM
Yes it intrigues me 👍
On ancestryDNA I come up 50% Europe West,36% Italy Greece 6% askenazi Jew and 3% British 1% Irish and 1% Finland Russia..
My mother having been tested and being British with a Jewish great great grandparent on one side I know the origin of the Europe West,British,Jewish, DNA.. My father being Italian but no longer with us I know the Origin of my Italian/Greek DNA.. since my mother tested negative for West asia I know it is from fathers side. I have now applied for a 23andMe test to see if there results come up any different or give me any more of an indication.. On my ancestryDNA test no North African or Caucasus DNA came up only the 3% West Asian. On 23andMe there grouping of Middle eastern regions is different.
They group Arabians under the Middle East/North African label and the Whole region of Middle East from turkey to the North Arabian desert including the Levant under Caucasus.. my thinking is as I came up blank on AncestryDNA for Caucasus and North Africa.. that once I get my 23andMe results if it labels my 3% West Asian as and under Middle East I will assume Arabian Peninsula but if it labels the 3% under Caucasus since I came up blank on AncestryDNA for Caucasus I will assume The Levant region instead.. also I will hopefully be able to get a rough time scale from 23andMe's new timeline feature of when said ancestor entered the timeline and lived 👍
In the meantime by putting my data through Gedmatch is there any particular programme test I can run to get any indicator of for either leaning more toward either Arabian,Levantine, or Caucasus DNA origin?

JerryS.
06-04-2017, 11:43 AM
whats your kit number on GEDmatch, I'd like to compare it to mine.

Claudio
06-04-2017, 11:57 AM
A359314 thanks JerryS.
Much obliged 👍

JerryS.
06-04-2017, 12:04 PM
A359314 thanks JerryS.
Much obliged ��

listed as private, won't let me compare.

JerryS.
06-04-2017, 12:06 PM
I have 235 matches on GEDmatch that are listed as private so I cannot see any of them.....

Pratt
06-04-2017, 04:59 PM
In the meantime by putting my data through Gedmatch is there any particular programme test I can run to get any indicator of for either leaning more toward either Arabian,Levantine, or Caucasus DNA origin?

No, you can't get any accurate indicator, because these components are already present, at some extent, even in British people. Also fully British people can score West Asian on Gedmatch, West Asian peaks in Georgians, not in Arabs or Levantines. And fully British people can get East-Med as well, let alone a mother like yours who has some Jewish descent. West Asian can be also present in Portuguese, Spanish, French, Germans, Austrians, Russians, Polish, Croats, Slovenians, Albanians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians... East-Med can be also present in West Germans, Ukrainian, Swedish, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Russians, South Dutch, North German, North Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Greeks... A Caucasus-like DNA is present in most of the Europeans, at different rates.


British/English results on k15



-- English woman (fully English)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.61
2 Atlantic 25.97
3 Eastern_Euro 10.12
4 West_Med 10.02
5 Baltic 8.51
6 West_Asian 8.22
7 East_Med 3.24
8 Siberian 0.71
9 Northeast_African 0.49
10 Oceanian 0.07
11 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.87
2 Southwest_English 5.93

-- Fully English guy

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 North_Sea 34.33
2 Atlantic 31.68
3 West_Med 9.34
4 Baltic 7.3
5 Eastern_Euro 6.86
6 West_Asian 4
7 East_Med 3.98
8 South_Asian 1.61
9 Sub-Saharan 0.61
10 Oceanian 0.15
11 Red_Sea 0.08
12 Amerindian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.73
2 Southwest_English 4.39
3 Irish 5.36
4 West_Scottish
5.62 5 Orcadian 6.3
6 South_Dutch 6.98
7 Danish 7.26
8 North_Dutch 7.65
9 North_German 7.89 1
0 West_German 9.43


-- Fully English guy

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

North_Sea 35.76
Atlantic 31.67
West_Med 11.39
Baltic 8.63
Eastern_Euro 7.61
West_Asian 3.14
Siberian 0.84
Oceanian 0.77
Red_Sea 0.11
Sub-Saharan 0.07

-- Fully English woman

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 North_Sea 33.42
2 Atlantic 27.98
3 West_Med 12.24
4 Baltic 10.42
5 Eastern_Euro 7.04
6 West_Asian 3.52
7 East_Med 3.14
8 Red_Sea 1.48
9 Amerindian 0.39
10 Oceanian 0.19
11 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Southwest_English 2.7
2 South_Dutch 3.98

-- English + Irish

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 North_Sea 36.34
2 Atlantic 32.28
3 Baltic 9.22
4 Eastern_Euro 9.11
5 West_Med 7.89
6 West_Asian 3.15
7 Red_Sea 0.92
8 Northeast_African 0.53
9 Sub-Saharan 0.33
10 Oceanian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.68


-- English + Scottish

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 North_Sea 37.42
2 Atlantic 27.94
3 Baltic 11.11
4 West_Med 10.09
5 Eastern_Euro 8.24
6 West_Asian 2.61
7 East_Med 1.45
8 Siberian 0.65
9 Amerindian 0.43
10 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Southwest_English
2.96 2 Southeast_English
3.17 3 North_Dutch
3.63 4 Irish 3.95
5 West_Scottish 3.99
6 Orcadian 4.26
7 Danish 4.57
8 North_German 6.35
9 Norwegian 6.5 1
10 West_Norwegian 6.87

-- Fully English

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 North_Sea 39.39
2 Atlantic 23.65
3 West_Med 12.1
4 Eastern_Euro 7.57
5 Baltic 7.46
6 West_Asian 4.96
7 East_Med 3.25
8 Red_Sea 0.93
9 Siberian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 West_German 6.24
2 Southwest_English 6.42
3 Orcadian 6.97
4 Southeast_English 7.5
5 North_Dutch 7.59
6 West_Norwegian 8.49
7 Danish 8.56
8 West_Scottish 8.63
9 Norwegian 8.67
10 Irish 8.94



Austrian guy (with minor ancestry from Bohemia present-day Czech Republic) who scores both West Asian (7,53%) and East-Med (7,37%)


Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1 Atlantic 23.72
2 North_Sea 20.33
3 Baltic 15.86
4 West_Med 12.51
5 Eastern_Euro 9.58
6 West_Asian 7.53
7 East_Med 7.37
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Northeast_African 0.8
10 Southeast_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)
Distance
1 Austrian 5.34
2 Serbian 7.61
3 East_German 8.37


The results of a woman who is 50% British 50% from central-southern Italy.



#PopulationPercent
1 North_Sea 28.11
2 Atlantic 23.95
3 West_Med 16.9
4 East_Med 9.51
5 Baltic 8.97
6 West_Asian 6.04
7 Eastern_Euro 4.75
8 Red_Sea 1.29
9 Oceanian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 French 6.07
2 West_German 7.21
3 South_Dutch 8.01



A359314 thanks JerryS.
Much obliged 

Pretty difficult, it's set as private. On K15 your results could belong to different mixes, not specifically to a British-Italian mix. Modelling you as 50% Italian 50% British, there is a couple of components that stands out. In particular you have a high Red Sea for someone who is half Italian, not even the far southern Italians score a so high Red Sea. Assuming your British ancestry is really fully British, your Italian source is compatible with an Italian Jewish source, only Italian Jewish have a Red Sea so high (8.25%, your 50% is 4.41%, x2 = 8.82%). Italian Jewish = Italkim. Otherwise your British ancestry is not really 100% British, and your mother scores higher Red Sea than British average because of her Jewish ancestry that is not so negligible as you say.

Claudio
06-04-2017, 06:44 PM
Hi JerryS. & Pratt 👍
only just come back online.
Is my kit still locked on private?
I take it from your analysis that you managed to look into my kit?
If it Helps your analysis my mothers AncestryDNA results were
53% European West
22% British
10% Jewish
8% Iberian peninsula
5% Ireland
1% Scandinavia
1% Finland/Russia
The only thing my mother was surprised about was the 8% Iberian which we put maybe down to the Spanish Jews or maybe there was a more recent explanation.
Also by doing the math i could only inherit 39% of my European West off of my mother so the other 11% must have come from my fathers side. I could upload my mothers dater to Gedmatch in the future? Might help?
If my kit is still locked on private I can't seem to see a settings area on Gedmatch main page to unlock? I take it that you determine there must have been some Jewish DNA on my fathers side also? Interesting 👍
Pardon my ignorance but why is the Red Sea score labeled "Red Sea" does it indicate anything else of interest other than indicating Jewish ancestry? And how did you differentiate that my Jewish DNA comes from my dads side as well as mothers side?
BTW.. anyone else browsing and viewing this post feel free to log into Gedmatch and view my data and give me your analysis?
Kit number.. A359314

Pratt
06-04-2017, 09:58 PM
If it Helps your analysis my mothers AncestryDNA results were
53% European West
22% British
10% Jewish
8% Iberian peninsula
5% Ireland
1% Scandinavia
1% Finland/Russia
The only thing my mother was surprised about was the 8% Iberian which we put maybe down to the Spanish Jews or maybe there was a more recent explanation.
Also by doing the math i could only inherit 39% of my European West off of my mother so the other 11% must have come from my fathers side. I could upload my mothers dater to Gedmatch in the future? Might help?
If my kit is still locked on private I can't seem to see a settings area on Gedmatch main page to unlock? I take it that you determine there must have been some Jewish DNA on my fathers side also? Interesting 

If your mother was really full British, maybe yes. But your British mother is of partial Jewish descent.



Pardon my ignorance but why is the Red Sea score labeled "Red Sea" does it indicate anything else of interest other than indicating Jewish ancestry? And how did you differentiate that my Jewish DNA comes from my dads side as well as mothers side?

Red Sea component is ancestral to all caucasoids, but stronger in far southern Europe and among the Europeans Red Sea peaks in European Jews: Sephardi, Italian Jews (Italkim), Ashkenazi.

https://s24.postimg.org/mzrmkklyt/K15_mfa_eutest.png

Claudio
06-04-2017, 10:28 PM
Thanks for taking the time to analyze my data.
I was confused on what you meant earlier but on second glance I get what you mean.
As in for my results to look the way they do and my mother was full English you would imagine my father would have to be Italian Jewish.. but since my mother is not fully English and actually part Jewish it explains its self lol
Any of this have any influence on my 3% West Asian? Did you notice anything in that department?

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 06:44 AM
Thanks for taking the time to analyze my data.
I was confused on what you meant earlier but on second glance I get what you mean.
As in for my results to look the way they do and my mother was full English you would imagine my father would have to be Italian Jewish.. but since my mother is not fully English and actually part Jewish it explains its self lol
Any of this have any influence on my 3% West Asian? Did you notice anything in that department?

still set to private.

Claudio
06-05-2017, 08:41 AM
JerryS. Do you know how I unset it from private?

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 08:45 AM
go to your settings I think, lower left part of the page...

Claudio
06-05-2017, 09:15 AM
Found it! Should be public now. 🙂
Any luck getting in now?

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 09:54 AM
Found it! Should be public now. ��
Any luck now?

checked, our limey and dago don't match anywhere. thanks.

Claudio
06-05-2017, 09:56 AM
Lol lol
Did you notice anything else? or anything stand out that might contribute to my Original post?

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 10:00 AM
Lol lol
Did you notice anything else? or anything stand out that might contribute to my Original post?

you have a lot of Iberian in your Italian lineage.

Claudio
06-05-2017, 10:22 AM
Yeah i noticed that on one of the Gedmatch estimates.. combining that with my mother having 8% Iberian on her AncestryDNA I am surprised I came up 0% Iberian on my ancestryDNA? Is there such a thing as Iberian Italian lineage? lol

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 10:33 AM
Yeah i noticed that on one of the Gedmatch estimates.. combining that with my mother having 8% Iberian on her AncestryDNA I am surprised I came up 0% Iberian on my ancestryDNA? Is there such a thing as Iberian Italian lineage? lol

people from Spain fled to Italy during the muslim invasions. Spain also ruled Italy for a few about 150 years...

Claudio
06-05-2017, 10:47 AM
Yeah..
interesting..
just surprised I didn't get designated a % on Ancestry DNA?
Maybe it will come up in My 23andMe results?
Could it also from my mothers side being she has 8% Iberian?
I am useless at analyzing raw data lol
Not a clue lol lol
Oh BTW thanks for taking the time to take a look into my dater.
If you can think of anyone else on here who is good at or/and enjoys analyzing dater send them my way.
Thanks again.

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 11:53 AM
Yeah..
interesting..
just surprised I didn't get designated a % on Ancestry DNA?
Maybe it will come up in My 23andMe results?
Could it also from my mothers side being she has 8% Iberian?
I am useless at analyzing raw data lol
Not a clue lol lol
Oh BTW thanks for taking the time to take a look into my dater.
If you can think of anyone else on here who is good at or/and enjoys analyzing dater send them my way.
Thanks again.

believe me, I'm no good at analyzing this raw dna data. I took the ancestry test too and find it to be inaccurate based on what I know of my heritage..... the GEDmatch seems considerably closer. im another generation removed from Italy than you are and I too show more Iberian than Italian with Eurogenes 36.

Claudio
06-05-2017, 01:42 PM
JerryS.
Have you thought of trying 23andMe?
Might give you a clearer picture?

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 01:48 PM
JerryS.
Have you thought of trying 23andMe?
Might give you a clearer picture?

I do not see the value. raw data is raw data, I already have that. its the various calculating models used that are suspect.

Claudio
06-05-2017, 03:29 PM
Understandable..
Interested more for there "timeline feature"
What were your ethnicity percentages on AncestryDNA ?

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 04:05 PM
Understandable..
Interested more for there "timeline feature"
What were your ethnicity percentages on AncestryDNA ?

here is my kit. A526018. check the various GEDmatch calculators (European) and tell me what you think Ancestry should show.

Claudio
06-05-2017, 05:50 PM
Right JerryS.
Gonna go and compare Eurogens now.
see what I can notice...

vettor
06-05-2017, 06:42 PM
Hi there.. I am English with an Italian father and my results included 3%west Asian Middle East and I have been trying to pinpoint whereabouts in Middle East as this covers a lot of ground on the map.. I had already posted this question elsewhere but I just today noticed that although I scored 0% for caucasus I noticed that next to the 0% (unlike other 0% tested ethnicity's where it says 0-0 range) there is a small 0-2 range on my caucasus test result as if they tested me for caucasus and there was a trace but not enough to asign me a full 1%🤔
Does this indicate that my 3% Middle East comes from North rather than South?
and if so why was my 3% West Asian not assigned 2% Middle East 1% caucasus instead or such of such? 🤔
Or does this indicate central Middle East levant,Syria,Iraq,Iran.. rather than Turkey or Arabia? Or such and such? Any theories?🤔

not to offend, but I thought you where the albanian-moslem living in London ( from other sites ) ...........am I in error?

Claudio
06-05-2017, 07:00 PM
...... interesting!
I imagine overall you have more North and East European than me.
We seem to share a lot of the same things in different proportions.
I seem to have more higher amounts Italian,Iberian,East med,west med,and Jew.
The only things I can see that I have which you don't is Basque and Arabian on K36
Which concerning the Arabian is something for myself to ponder because you actually scored slightly higher than me for West Asia? Yet I had Arabian?
Also I noticed south or south west asia popped up a couple of times on yours but not on mine? If I've missed anything it's been a long day lol
I would imagine your AncestryDNA results may have been:
European West 40%
British 18%
European East 10%
Italy/Greece 15%
Ireland 5%
European Jewish 4%
Scandinavia 3%
Finland Russia 2%
West Asian 3%

?

Claudio
06-05-2017, 07:54 PM
Hi Vettor..
Sorry to disappoint..
Only DNA site I have ever joined.
Italian father.
English mother.
Jersey Channel Islands uk.
Feel free to analyze my data.
A359314
Would be much obliged.
Thanks.

JerryS.
06-05-2017, 10:29 PM
...... interesting!
I imagine overall you have more North and East European than me.
We seem to share a lot of the same things in different proportions.
I seem to have more higher amounts Italian,Iberian,East med,west med,and Jew.
The only things I can see that I have which you don't is Basque and Arabian on K36
Which concerning the Arabian is something for myself to ponder because you actually scored slightly higher than me for West Asia? Yet I had Arabian?
Also I noticed south or south west asia popped up a couple of times on yours but not on mine? If I've missed anything it's been a long day lol
I would imagine your AncestryDNA results may have been:
European West 40%
British 18%
European East 10%
Italy/Greece 15%
Ireland 5%
European Jewish 4%
Scandinavia 3%
Finland Russia 2%
West Asian 3%

?

ancestry has me at:

British isles 63%
Western European 26%
Scandinavian, Italian/Greek, East European, and The Caucuses combined for the remaining 10%.

using GEDmatch I score higher in the southern European countries and a little lower in the British Isles. I have no known Irish ancestors. what I do know is German, (two Swiss gr. gr. grandmaprents), English, (one Scotsman gr .gr. grandfather), and Italian (Calabrese (from an illegitimate birth)).

Claudio
06-05-2017, 11:02 PM
I only threw in Ireland just as a guess as it sometimes comes along with a lot of British ethnicity lol I winged it ok though.
A lot of your Southern European mirrored mine in almost even amounts just like a 3rd smaller percentages all across the board..
Except for east Mediterranean which yours was quite a bit lower. Also on the hunter gather eurogens you had no Anottolian farmer. what percentage did you have from ancestry DNA for Caucasus?
Your South,South West Asian is quite interesting.. that's pretty far out lol must have been carried over from your Italian grandparent maybe?
63% British is pretty damn high for an English local? My mothers family is all from England going back except for a Jewish great great grandad on her mothers side who abandoned his family in the 18hundreds and jumped ship to America never to be seen again.. and she only scores 22% British
53% west European..
to which I inherited a measly 3% British lol

Pratt
06-07-2017, 12:35 AM
Thanks for taking the time to analyze my data. I was confused on what you meant earlier but on second glance I get what you mean. As in for my results to look the way they do and my mother was full English you would imagine my father would have to be Italian Jewish.. but since my mother is not fully English and actually part Jewish it explains its self lol

Exactly.



Any of this have any influence on my 3% West Asian? Did you notice anything in that department?

3% West Asian is negligible on AncestryDNA.

What I've noticed on K36 is thay you score higher Iberian than Italian, and this doesn't make so much sense for your ancestry.


Your iberian component is double your Italian. British score both Iberian and Italian, and modeling you as 50% British 50% Italian, based on the averages, your Italian component should be getting bigger than your Iberian component in any case. And let's add that your mother has partial Jewish ancestry, this should not change the ratio but rather the opposite.

JerryS.
06-07-2017, 01:06 PM
I only threw in Ireland just as a guess as it sometimes comes along with a lot of British ethnicity lol I winged it ok though.
A lot of your Southern European mirrored mine in almost even amounts just like a 3rd smaller percentages all across the board..
Except for east Mediterranean which yours was quite a bit lower. Also on the hunter gather eurogens you had no Anottolian farmer. what percentage did you have from ancestry DNA for Caucasus?
Your South,South West Asian is quite interesting.. that's pretty far out lol must have been carried over from your Italian grandparent maybe?
63% British is pretty damn high for an English local? My mothers family is all from England going back except for a Jewish great great grandad on her mothers side who abandoned his family in the 18hundreds and jumped ship to America never to be seen again.. and she only scores 22% British
53% west European..
to which I inherited a measly 3% British lol


yes, quite a bit west Asian. it was rumored that I had Italian ancestry from Calabria near a town settled by Albanians that fled the Turkish invasions.... maybe some Turkish DNA got in there some how.

Claudio
06-07-2017, 06:31 PM
Exactly.




3% West Asian is negligible on AncestryDNA.

What I've noticed on K36 is thay you score higher Iberian than Italian, and this doesn't make so much sense for your ancestry.


Your iberian component is double your Italian. British score both Iberian and Italian, and modeling you as 50% British 50% Italian, based on the averages, your Italian component should be getting bigger than your Iberian component in any case. And let's add that your mother has partial Jewish ancestry, this should not change the ratio but rather the opposite.

Yeah me and JerryS. Below we're debating this same topic? His Iberian comes up high on K36 he has an Italian Grandparent.
My mother did come up 8% Iberian on her AncestryDNA with No Italian just British,west European,Jewish I think I posted the exact percentages above earlier in thread.. AncestryDNA gave me 0% Iberian and 36% Italian which sounds about right.
I think it might be time to notify Gedmatch that K36 is well off balance lol

Claudio
06-07-2017, 06:38 PM
yes, quite a bit west Asian. it was rumored that I had Italian ancestry from Calabria near a town settled by Albanians that fled the Turkish invasions.... maybe some Turkish DNA got in there some how.

Yeah defo could be that,combined with the fact didn't Calabria receive a huge amount of Byzantine Greeks at the fall of Constantinople in the 15 hundreds? Those Greek immigrants of Byzantine diospora were an ethnicity of there own by this point made up of a DNA combination mixture of Greek,Syrian,Armenian and Illyrian Albanian by this point apparently?

Pratt
06-08-2017, 06:30 PM
Yeah me and JerryS. Below we're debating this same topic? His Iberian comes up high on K36 he has an Italian Grandparent.
My mother did come up 8% Iberian on her AncestryDNA with No Italian just British,west European,Jewish I think I posted the exact percentages above earlier in thread.. AncestryDNA gave me 0% Iberian and 36% Italian which sounds about right.
I think it might be time to notify Gedmatch that K36 is well off balance lol

These tools are all based on different reference samples, so it's pretty obvious these tools give different results.



yes, quite a bit west Asian. it was rumored that I had Italian ancestry from Calabria near a town settled by Albanians that fled the Turkish invasions.... maybe some Turkish DNA got in there some how.

Albanians who fled to Italy had no Turkish DNA. Ancestry near a town settled by Albanians doesn't imply Albanian ancestry but it implies Calabrian ancestry.

JerryS.
06-08-2017, 07:58 PM
These tools are all based on different reference samples, so it's pretty obvious these tools give different results.




Albanians who fled to Italy had no Turkish DNA. Ancestry near a town settled by Albanians doesn't imply Albanian ancestry but it implies Calabrian ancestry.

because the Turks did not rape any Albanian women, and once in Calabria, the Albanians did not mix with any native populations?

Aquilifer
06-08-2017, 09:16 PM
because the Turks did not rape any Albanian women, and once in Calabria, the Albanians did not mix with any native populations?

So the scale of rape was so much that Albanians have Turkish DNA (no proof of that, they're genetically similar to their neighbors, unless their women were also subject to the same massive scale of rape by Ottoman soldiers), and the scale of emigration from Albania to Calabria was so large this Turkish DNA is now in Calabrians? The majority of Arbereshe in Calabria lived in isolated villages deep in the Pollino Mountains where they largely kept to themselves. A few villages who lost their language and religious rites probably mixed with the locals but not on the scale you suggest.

Claudio
06-08-2017, 10:40 PM
So the scale of rape was so much that Albanians have Turkish DNA (no proof of that, they're genetically similar to their neighbors, unless their women were also subject to the same massive scale of rape by Ottoman soldiers), and the scale of emigration from Albania to Calabria was so large this Turkish DNA is now in Calabrians? The majority of Arbereshe in Calabria lived in isolated villages deep in the Pollino Mountains where they largely kept to themselves. A few villages who lost their language and religious rites probably mixed with the locals but not on the scale you suggest.

Yeah JerryS. Listen to Erlembaldo lol they kept themselves to themselves like all the other ethnicities that have ever migrated to or invaded Italy and Greece in the last 1500 years lol
Don't you know the Genetic make up of Italians and Greeks has been largely unchanged for the past 2500 years! and Erlembaldo traces back to Julius Caesar himself! and before him the first Italian and Middle Eastern farmers! He is proud to know his imperial ancestors have stayed of strictly pure Italian linage all the way through the ages! and he can categorically state with assurance that his family line has not had an ancestor of Middle Eastern descent since the early Bronse Age lol lol lol

crossover
06-10-2017, 12:49 AM
Yeah JerryS. Listen to Erlembaldo lol they kept themselves to themselves like all the other ethnicities that have ever migrated to or invaded Italy and Greece in the last 1500 years lol
Don't you know the Genetic make up of Italians and Greeks has been largely unchanged for the past 2500 years! and Erlembaldo traces back to Julius Caesar himself! and before him the first Italian and Middle Eastern farmers! He is proud to know his imperial ancestors have stayed of strictly pure Italian linage all the way through the ages! and he can categorically state with assurance that his family line has not had an ancestor of Middle Eastern descent since the early Bronse Age lol lol lol

are you being sarcastic here?

Claudio
06-10-2017, 08:21 AM
are you being sarcastic here?

Very much so lol