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Jbaumgartner615
06-16-2017, 02:24 AM
Being V-13 I completed the full SNP pack and my new haplo is E-PH1246 which appears to originate in the Western Balkans via the admin on the E-M35 FTDNA site. With only five confirmed, I am hoping someone smarter than me can shed some light.

Farroukh
07-10-2017, 09:15 AM
my new haplo is E-PH1246
Seems to be post-neolithic migration from Balkans to Central Europe

Sensenig
07-08-2018, 08:08 PM
I also tested positive for PH1246.

digital_noise
08-24-2018, 02:04 AM
Me as well

E-PH1246

digital_noise
03-31-2020, 11:34 PM
Crickets are chirping---

Any new info about this "less common" E-V13 subclade?

Since I last replied, I have been assigned by both FTDNA's Big Y as well as YFull's analysis as E-BY14160* (on Yfull its me and a Serbian)

I should add I am in touch with a distant relative on 23 and Me. We both have the same surname, her family is from one town away from my paternal origins. I still have not found out how we are related but I was thinking about seeing if her brother would do some sort of Y test. Not sure he would be even interested, but they are the furthest removed relatives I know of that share a surname.

Halgurd
02-08-2022, 09:05 PM
Looks like I belong under this clade too. Still waiting for further downstream results though.

digital_noise
02-08-2022, 09:28 PM
Welcome to the club. What test are you waiting for?

Halgurd
02-08-2022, 09:30 PM
Welcome to the club. What test are you waiting for?

I did the V13 panel on YSEQ. So far I am E-Y30977.

digital_noise
02-08-2022, 10:55 PM
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z1057/

Take a look here to get a general idea, and consider uploading to YFull if you have not already. If you are lucky, further testing will net further placement but at this point I think you are like me, that is I’ve reached the limit that testing can provide and have to wait on any sort of match to further determine my terminal subclade. I’m the lone E-By14160* btw…

Halgurd
02-26-2022, 12:00 PM
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z1057/

Take a look here to get a general idea, and consider uploading to YFull if you have not already. If you are lucky, further testing will net further placement but at this point I think you are like me, that is Ive reached the limit that testing can provide and have to wait on any sort of match to further determine my terminal subclade. Im the lone E-By14160* btw

I am E-Y37092*, negative for all known downstream SNPs.

Riverman
02-26-2022, 02:35 PM
Looks fairly diverse:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y30977/

Everything goes down to the subclades.

In this group https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y37092/ this subclade sticks out:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14150/

2.700 yBP and one Iberian with one Irish, and a Saudi. That's kind of Hallstatt/Scythianised groups/La Tene Celtic looking with that age and two Western branches, but the Saudi doesn't fit well into this. However, if there are more Kurds, this could speak for Scythianised groups which moved in two directions, one West (becoming Celtic, Spain and Ireland), and one East, ending in Kurds and from there Arabs.

So a possible pathway might be: Eastern Hallstatt/Bosut-Basarabi -> Scythianised groups -> split into Celtic and steppe groups, from there Western Europe and the Near East. Its interesting that in this group https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14160/ are two branches with splits into North:South and West:East around 700 BC. That would fit into such a scheme the best.

For others its impossible to tell with such few samples and the wide ranges for the TMRCA.

Aspar
02-26-2022, 03:26 PM
Looks fairly diverse:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y30977/

Everything goes down to the subclades.

In this group https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y37092/ this subclade sticks out:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14150/

2.700 yBP and one Iberian with one Irish, and a Saudi. That's kind of Hallstatt/Scythianised groups/La Tene Celtic looking with that age and two Western branches, but the Saudi doesn't fit well into this. However, if there are more Kurds, this could speak for Scythianised groups which moved in two directions, one West (becoming Celtic, Spain and Ireland), and one East, ending in Kurds and from there Arabs.

So a possible pathway might be: Eastern Hallstatt/Bosut-Basarabi -> Scythianised groups -> split into Celtic and steppe groups, from there Western Europe and the Near East. Its interesting that in this group https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY14160/ are two branches with splits into North:South and West:East around 700 BC. That would fit into such a scheme the best.

For others its impossible to tell with such few samples and the wide ranges for the TMRCA.

There is a Bulgarian from North Macedonia BY14150 visible on the Block Tree. He shares two more SNPs with the Spanish sample forming a branch downstream of BY14150.

In that sense, I don't see this branch differently than the other branches downstream of Y30977 because there are Balkan samples in all the branches downstream of it and consequently the highest diversity.

There are Iberian samples as well as with Iberian connection from the new world forming IA branches with people from the Macedonian region. It's an interesting connection that seek explanation of course.

Riverman
02-26-2022, 07:16 PM
There is a Bulgarian from North Macedonia BY14150 visible on the Block Tree. He shares two more SNPs with the Spanish sample forming a branch downstream of BY14150.

In that sense, I don't see this branch differently than the other branches downstream of Y30977 because there are Balkan samples in all the branches downstream of it and consequently the highest diversity.

There are Iberian samples as well as with Iberian connection from the new world forming IA branches with people from the Macedonian region. It's an interesting connection that seek explanation of course.

E-BY14150 is indeed interesting on FTDNA. There are a couple of branches which split around 200-100 BC. Overall it looks fairly Northern and Scythian-Celtic, with the exception of the Macedonian. The split is around 0 AD for the Iberian vs. Macedonian, which could point to a Roman era migration.