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06-16-2017, 12:21 PM
Since the GedMatch Genesis now has available the admixture calculators, thought I would post my differences, between the standard Gedmatch. Using the K13 calculator,
Thought it might be fun to analysis the difference in results.
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Pylsteen
06-16-2017, 02:28 PM
Tried it out, got the following; love to play around with this:

(Eurogenes K13, from genesis gedmatch)

42.69% North_Atlantic
23.63% Baltic
14.96% West_Med
6.69% West_Asian
4.84% East_Med
0.48% Red_Sea
1.29% South_Asian
4.28% East_Asian
0.14% Siberian
0.75% Oceanian
0.27% Sub-Saharan


Note that like you, the four main populations are the same.
Further: Would the East_Med reflect part of my 1/16 Jewish?
And: the Asian is present! Possibly also a trace from British India.

Top 10 least square method:

1 South_Dutch @ 5.630711
2 West_German @ 5.777967
3 North_German @ 8.651402
4 Southeast_English @ 9.270586
5 Austrian @ 10.027081
6 Danish @ 10.175147
7 North_Dutch @ 10.245115
8 Orcadian @ 10.345297
9 Southwest_English @ 10.684783
10 French @ 10.695040

06-16-2017, 02:32 PM
Tried it out, got the following; love to play around with this:

(K13, from genesis gedmatch)

42.69% North_Atlantic
23.63% Baltic
14.96% West_Med
6.69% West_Asian
4.84% East_Med
0.48% Red_Sea
1.29% South_Asian
4.28% East_Asian
0.14% Siberian
0.75% Oceanian
0.27% Sub-Saharan


Note that like you, the four main populations are the same.
Further: Would the East_Med reflect part of my 1/16 Jewish?
And: the Asian is present! Possibly also a trace from British India.

Top 10 least square method:

1 South_Dutch @ 5.630711
2 West_German @ 5.777967
3 North_German @ 8.651402
4 Southeast_English @ 9.270586
5 Austrian @ 10.027081
6 Danish @ 10.175147
7 North_Dutch @ 10.245115
8 Orcadian @ 10.345297
9 Southwest_English @ 10.684783
10 French @ 10.695040

I think the first part with the % and as you mentioned are quite ancient, which now fundamentally make up all West Eurasians.

firemonkey
06-16-2017, 04:20 PM
K13 23andMe gedmatch

Eurogenes k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.73
2 Baltic 23.57
3 West_Med 11.9
4 West_Asian 4.17
5 East_Med 2.51
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Northeast_African 1.15
8 Amerindian 1.08
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.43
11 Oceanian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.28
2 Orcadian 2.61
3 Irish 2.78
4 Southwest_English 3.79
5 North_Dutch 4.01
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Danish 4.77
8 Norwegian 5.45
9 North_German 6.99
10 Swedish 8.26
11 South_Dutch 9.3
12 West_German 10.53
13 French 14.25
14 North_Swedish 14.36
15 Austrian 15.88
16 East_German 16.14
17 Hungarian 20.41
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.05
19 Southwest_French 21.92
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.82
2 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.82
3 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.84
4 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.84
5 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Somali @ 1.85
6 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.93
7 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2
8 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Maasai @ 2.01
9 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Hadza @ 2.04
10 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Sandawe @ 2.05
11 99% West_Scottish + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.06
12 99% West_Scottish + 1% Sudanese @ 2.08
13 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.08
14 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Egyptian @ 2.09
15 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Moroccan @ 2.09
16 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Algerian @ 2.09
17 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Tunisian @ 2.11
18 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.11
19 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Saudi @ 2.12
20 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% La_Brana-1 @ 2.14

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.445381
2 Orcadian @ 2.801820
3 Irish @ 3.090581
4 Southwest_English @ 4.079818
5 North_Dutch @ 4.470723
6 Southeast_English @ 4.585011
7 Danish @ 5.333041
8 Norwegian @ 6.092976
9 North_German @ 7.964433
10 Swedish @ 9.309278
11 South_Dutch @ 10.631128
12 West_German @ 12.132713
13 North_Swedish @ 16.188072
14 French @ 16.250372
15 Austrian @ 18.245956
16 East_German @ 18.490625
17 Hungarian @ 23.504978
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.857307
19 Southwest_French @ 24.606785
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.847672

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283

Living dna genesis

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.12
2 Baltic 22.43
3 West_Med 11.69
4 West_Asian 4.32
5 East_Med 3.09
6 Red_Sea 1.88
7 Siberian 1.22
8 Northeast_African 1.09
9 Amerindian 1.07
10 East_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.73
2 Orcadian 3.4
3 Irish 3.55
4 Southwest_English 4.03
5 Southeast_English 4.47
6 North_Dutch 4.95
7 Danish 5.58
8 Norwegian 6.47
9 North_German 7.69
10 South_Dutch 9.32
11 Swedish 9.33
12 West_German 10.62
13 French 13.97
14 North_Swedish 15.29
15 Austrian 16.44
16 East_German 16.86
17 Spanish_Cataluna 20.7
18 Hungarian 20.91
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.55
20 Southwest_French 21.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.19
2 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.2
3 98.1% West_Scottish + 1.9% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 2.27
4 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Somali @ 2.28
5 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 2.29
6 98% West_Scottish + 2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.32
7 97.8% West_Scottish + 2.2% Egyptian @ 2.38
8 98.1% West_Scottish + 1.9% Saudi @ 2.39
9 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Algerian @ 2.41
10 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 2.42
11 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Moroccan @ 2.42
12 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Tunisian @ 2.43
13 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.44
14 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Bedouin @ 2.48
15 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Maasai @ 2.48
16 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.49
17 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Palestinian @ 2.49
18 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.5
19 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2.5
20 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Sandawe @ 2.52

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.954881
2 Orcadian @ 3.707520
3 Irish @ 3.914791
4 Southwest_English @ 4.290550
5 Southeast_English @ 4.897464
6 North_Dutch @ 5.494271
7 Danish @ 6.229250
8 Norwegian @ 7.255401
9 North_German @ 8.727995
10 Swedish @ 10.503930
11 South_Dutch @ 10.652063
12 West_German @ 12.197241
13 French @ 15.919866
14 North_Swedish @ 17.256296
15 Austrian @ 18.856636
16 East_German @ 19.299389
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.431152
18 Hungarian @ 24.065979
19 Southwest_French @ 24.366621
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.386446

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.954881


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.954881


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.860737
2 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.945879
3 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.954881
4 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.965736
5 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.023807
6 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.059902
7 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.085364
8 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.107395
9 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.116980
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.131665
11 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.142606
12 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.151961
13 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.178447
14 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.189449
15 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.217050
16 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.217106
17 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.224680
18 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.247045
19 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.247357
20 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.276308

JFWinstone
06-16-2017, 04:35 PM
I can't get mine to work just get this error - (1111) ERROR: No data for kit HN3909002 :noidea:

A Norfolk L-M20
06-16-2017, 04:54 PM
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16912&d=1497632039

06-16-2017, 05:14 PM
Cool results Norfolk, very similar actually to each other, your looking pretty much AS as expected.

Pylsteen
06-16-2017, 05:16 PM
Lol @Norfolk, you resemble South Dutch more than me.

A Norfolk L-M20
06-16-2017, 05:21 PM
Lol @Norfolk, you resemble South Dutch more than me.

Absolutely, East Anglia has had a lot of admixture from your part of the World, for a very long time.

Solothurn
06-16-2017, 05:41 PM
You have to re-login to Genesis and run it from the link on there. Your kit works as I tried it :)


I can't get mine to work just get this error - (1111) ERROR: No data for kit HN3909002 :noidea:

Pylsteen
06-16-2017, 05:53 PM
I love the "chromosome painting" option; chrom 6 seems half Asian, and apparently contains a solid chunk of Sub Saharan (?). It returns in at least three tests for now. Could be noise, but it looks quite solid. In K36 it seems mostly Omotic. If genuine, I think a 17th/18th century African slave brought to India or SE Asia is most likely. Maybe a bit off topic, but I wanted to share that.

JFWinstone
06-16-2017, 06:16 PM
I've been in touch with the gedmatch guys and they fixed the problem :thumb:

Solothurn
06-17-2017, 01:09 PM
My original result put me first as Orcadian whereas new result gives me SE English!

Old (23andMe data)


1 North_Atlantic 48.56
2 Baltic 25.15
3 West_Med 13.90
4 West_Asian 4.30
5 East_Med 3.16
6 South_Asian 1.95
7 Red_Sea 1.45
8 Siberian 1.04


Using 1 population approximation:


1 Orcadian @ 3.615508
2 Southeast_English @ 3.874120
3 North_Dutch @ 4.355319
4 Danish @ 4.545726
5 Southwest_English @ 5.062353
6 Irish @ 5.180780


Using 2 populations approximation:


1 50% North_German +50% Southwest_English @ 2.750209


Using 3 populations approximation:


1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English


New


1 North_Atlantic 48.27
2 Baltic 25.19
3 West_Med 14.90
4 East_Med 4.17
5 South_Asian 2.57
6 West_Asian 2.13
7 Red_Sea 1.32


Using 1 population approximation:


1 Southeast_English @ 4.561340
2 Orcadian @ 5.459351
3 Southwest_English @ 6.092184
4 Danish @ 6.368380
5 North_Dutch @ 6.418348
6 South_Dutch @ 7.136869


Using 2 populations approximation:


1 50% Orcadian +50% South_Dutch


Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Southwest_Finnish


Using 4 populations approximation:


1 Danish + North_Swedish + Southwest_French + West_Scottish

Pylsteen
06-17-2017, 02:42 PM
Tried to calculate expected K13 results.

Calculated "expected" results based on the averages of the following populations:
7/8 Dutch (3/4 North_Dutch, 1/4 South_Dutch), 1/16 Jewish (3/4 Ashk Jewish, 1/4 Seph Jewish), 1/16 "Malay".

Expected vs. real result:
North Atl. 43.83 42.69
Baltic 22.90 23.63
West Med 11.88 14.96
West Asia 5.88 6.69
East Med 5.89 4.84
Red Sea 1.31 0.48
South Asia 1.71 1.29
East Asia 4.76 4.28
Siberian 0.35 0.14
Amerindian 0.50 -
Oceanian 0.69 0.75
NE Afrian 0.21 -
Subsaharan 0.16 0.27

Note the lower East Med and Red Sea than expected, will have to look at that; I think if I would have Javanese data or Borneo instead of Malayan, it might have higher Oceanic and lower South Asian. The amount of Asian might also be more likeley 5-6% instead of 1/16 precisely.
The calculation fits quite well though.

06-17-2017, 03:46 PM
My original result put me first as Orcadian whereas new result gives me SE English!

Old (23andMe data)


1 North_Atlantic 48.56
2 Baltic 25.15
3 West_Med 13.90
4 West_Asian 4.30
5 East_Med 3.16
6 South_Asian 1.95
7 Red_Sea 1.45
8 Siberian 1.04


Using 1 population approximation:


1 Orcadian @ 3.615508
2 Southeast_English @ 3.874120
3 North_Dutch @ 4.355319
4 Danish @ 4.545726
5 Southwest_English @ 5.062353
6 Irish @ 5.180780


Using 2 populations approximation:


1 50% North_German +50% Southwest_English @ 2.750209


Using 3 populations approximation:


1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English


New


1 North_Atlantic 48.27
2 Baltic 25.19
3 West_Med 14.90
4 East_Med 4.17
5 South_Asian 2.57
6 West_Asian 2.13
7 Red_Sea 1.32


Using 1 population approximation:


1 Southeast_English @ 4.561340
2 Orcadian @ 5.459351
3 Southwest_English @ 6.092184
4 Danish @ 6.368380
5 North_Dutch @ 6.418348
6 South_Dutch @ 7.136869


Using 2 populations approximation:


1 50% Orcadian +50% South_Dutch


Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Southwest_Finnish


Using 4 populations approximation:


1 Danish + North_Swedish + Southwest_French + West_Scottish

Solothurn, your on my list of matches on the one to many, although it might not be by decent maybe just similar.

firemonkey
06-20-2017, 06:33 AM
Living dna

DS4183807 A CS 8.9563 15.1814 6.0 572371 1 2017-06-17


23andMe

DS4183807 A CS
13.4729 33.3297 4.4 150969 0.51 2017-06-17


Living dna

DL1834564 A ESJ 10.1725 10.1725 5.2 161030 0.48 2017-06-15


23andMe

DL1834564 A ESJ 7.2167 14.1239 7.0 661186 0.97


Living dna

XV9787417 A GBS 8.623 14.0381 6.4 150048 0.47


23andMe

XV9787417 A GBS 7.47099 7.47099 7.5 411408 0.78

Pylsteen
06-24-2017, 01:57 PM
I get loads of Ashkenazi matches, and some of you too. I assume that the generations calculated in the column "gen" are too optimistic..

Solothurn
06-24-2017, 02:45 PM
I have read anything less than 10cM could be IBS and not IBD. Food for thought though :)


Solothurn, your on my list of matches on the one to many, although it might not be by decent maybe just similar.