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soulblighter
07-12-2013, 11:00 PM
If any one knows more, please add.
1) N101345,N96726,N71043 :- Tamil Iyer/Iyengar from south India(public FTDNA)
2)HG02687 :- Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan(public 1000genomes from YFull)
3) 120462 :- Iran(public FTDNA)
4) N80288 :- Iberian?

newtoboard
07-13-2013, 02:22 PM
Do these results shed any light on P303's origins? There used to be an old theory that it originated in the Hindu Kush.

soulblighter
07-14-2013, 04:20 AM
Do these results shed any light on P303's origins? There used to be an old theory that it originated in the Hindu Kush.

Unfortunately no. Very few samples and no one(read genetic genealogy companies) interested in Haplogroup G. Until the R craze is resolved, there is no hope for progress in G.

DMXX
07-14-2013, 07:01 AM
Any luck with any Geno 2.0 samples, soulblighter? This is the policy the R2 crowd has taken now. All of the enthusiasts who can, have ordered the kits and our admin (UnderGrounder) is analysing the data for SNP's.

soulblighter
09-16-2013, 01:10 AM
Any luck with any Geno 2.0 samples, soulblighter? This is the policy the R2 crowd has taken now. All of the enthusiasts who can, have ordered the kits and our admin (UnderGrounder) is analysing the data for SNP's.

No luck with Geno 2.0 unfortunately.
The number of subcontinental G samples are far and few and are widely distributed among many subgroups.
I don't expect any major breakthroughs in G until full sequencing becomes commonplace. There are few samples and currently no momentum/interest (unlike haplos R).

AJL
09-16-2013, 02:28 AM
You may have luck finding some SNPs if you can raise enough money to test the two widest (geographically or STR-wise) GP303* men through Full Genomes, and compare. G is very old and there are probably significant parahaplogroups i.e. the SNP just hasn't been found yet.

soulblighter
10-28-2013, 03:08 PM
I don't know if all samples listed in the new Afghan paper http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0076748 are negative for P303 subgroups, and there is always a possibility of sample bias.
But here is the tally of G-P303 samples from the paper:

Pakistan
Brahui 1
Kalash 4

Iran
Esfahan 1
Gilan 2
Tehran 1

Hazara
Bamiyan 3

Pashtun 0

Tajik
Badakshan 1
Takhar 2

Turkmen
Jawzjan 3

Uzbek
Jawzjan 2
Sar-e-pol 1

Kyrgyz
East 1

Mongol 0

Uyghur 0


I am suprised that the Pashtun entry is 0... Also the Hazara with 3 shows that the G-P303 samples in there are assimilated into the Hazara (Hazara are typically associated with Uyghurs who have 0 G-P303).

Here is a map with all samples og G-P303 from Asia so far: https://www.zeemaps.com/edit/4KifEFLucLkCrWP7GsEGvw

Based on STR, the following have very similar 25 STR values (FTDNA order):


15 22 15 10 11-13 11 12 11 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 31 11-12-13-14 Karabagh, Armenia
15 22 15 10 12-14 11 12 12 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 21 31 11-13-13-14 Yazd, Iran
15 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12-13-14-14 Thiruvarur, India
15 23 16 10 12-14 11 12 10 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 33 11-13-13-13 Kuwait
16 22 15 10 13-16 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 32 12-12-14-14 Kanchipuram, India
15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 34 xx-xx-xx-xx Hazara
15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 34 xx-xx-xx-xx Hazara
15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 24 16 20 34 xx-xx-xx-xx Hazara
15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 nd 11 23 16 20 nd xx-xx-xx-xx Turkmen, Jawzjan
15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 13 12 11 28 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 21 31 14-14-14-14 Esfahan Iran
15 23 14 10 xx-xx 11 12 12 12 11 27 16 nd 11 nd 23 16 21 31 11-13-14-14 Gilan, Iran
15 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 12 12 11 28 15 9-9 11 11 24 18 21 32 11-13-13-14 Gilan, Iran


The south Indian samples seem closest to the Iranian ones at first glance.

The Kalash, Kyrgyz and other samples have a different structure as shown below:



13 22 14 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 28 16 nd nd nd nd 16 21 28 xx-xx-xx-xx Brahui
14 23 17 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 29 16 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
14 23 16 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 29 15 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
14 23 16 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 29 15 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
14 23 16 10 xx-xx xx 12 11 12 11 28 15 nd nd nd nd 16 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx Kalash
14 23 16 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 30 17 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 29 13-13-14-15 Kyrgyz
14 22 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 16 9-9 11 11 23 16 20 30 xx-xx-xx-xx Tajik-Badakshan
14 22 15 9 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 27 17 9-9 11 11 nd 16 21 33 xx-xx-xx-xx Tajik-Takhar
14 21 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 14 13 11 29 15 9-9 11 11 25 16 21 33 11-13-13-14 Tehran, Iran
14 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 13 11 29 17 9-9 11 11 23 15 20 29 xx-xx-xx-xx Turkmen, Jawzjan
14 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 13 11 32 17 9-9 11 11 23 15 20 29 xx-xx-xx-xx Turkmen, Jawzan
14 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 13 12 29 17 9-9 11 11 23 15 20 31 xx-xx-xx-xx uzbek, jawzjan
13 23 15 10 xx-xx 11 14 12 13 11 29 19 9-9 11 11 23 16 22 29 xx-xx-xx-xx uzbek, jawzjan
14 22 14 10 xx-xx 11 12 11 12 11 28 18 9-9 nd 11 22 16 20 nd xx-xx-xx-xx uzbek, sar e pol

soulblighter
10-28-2013, 05:29 PM
Do these results shed any light on P303's origins? There used to be an old theory that it originated in the Hindu Kush.

Sounds like it may around there or a little more to the west of there, based on the newest samples.

soulblighter
12-22-2013, 05:36 PM
As you said for your Y-hg G2a2b2a-P303 which is probably explained by the Indo-Scythian (Sakas) origin of a part of your Brahmin cast the Iyers, same explanation could be done for your mt-hg C4a1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians


Palamede, did you see my post #7 on this thread?
The closest G sample to the Iyers/Iyengars appear to be the Iranians (Yazd, Gilan) and Hazaras.

palamede
12-23-2013, 03:51 PM
Palamede, did you see my post #7 on this thread?
The closest G sample to the Iyers/Iyengars appear to be the Iranians (Yazd, Gilan) and Hazaras.

G2a2b2a-P303 is certainly originated from Caucase (Colchis glacial refugia), some elements diffused around Caspian Sea and I think they were a part of the population of the BMAC (Bactriane-Margiane Area Culture) .Tadjiks, Hazaras and Kalashes are partially descendants of the BMAC culture and G-P303+ Turkmens and Uzbeks are also located in the area (for instance at Jawzjan) of this old culture :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMAC

Some elements G-P303 of this area were carried into India by the vagues of invaders who crossed HindouKouch through the centuries.

If G-P303 suffered in the hard times of the History, always,they emerged head up fiercely. Do you agree ;)

deLuz
05-21-2014, 12:37 PM
If any one knows more, please add.
1) N101345,N96726,N71043 :- Tamil Iyer/Iyengar from south India(public FTDNA)
2)HG02687 :- Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan(public 1000genomes from YFull)
3) 120462 :- Iran(public FTDNA)
4) N80288 :- Iberian?

Hello.

I'm G2a1a1b (P303+; L140-; M278+), from Spain (Pen. Iberica) (E8243)

N80288 is Antσnio Victor from Portugal (Pen. Iberica): G2a1a1 (P303+, L140-).


R. de Luz

soulblighter
05-22-2014, 01:03 PM
Hello.

I'm G2a1a1b (P303+; L140-; M278+), from Spain (Pen. Iberica) (E8243)

N80288 is Antσnio Victor from Portugal (Pen. Iberica): G2a1a1 (P303+, L140-).


R. de Luz


N96726/N113045 are M278-. So I assume the same is true of other South indian G-P303+
FTDNA still has their Geno 2.0 transfer messed up!

deLuz
06-18-2014, 08:43 AM
The more eastern M278+ found for the moment is one Romaniote Jew from Epirus (Greece)

Humanist
06-18-2014, 02:27 PM
Hello.

I'm G2a1a1b (P303+; L140-; M278+), from Spain (Pen. Iberica) (E8243)

Welcome to the forum, Rodrigo! :)

deLuz
12-01-2014, 09:38 PM
Hey, Paul!! How are you doing, man?

According to Ted Kandelll: "Rodrigo, your G-M278 may or may not share some SNPs with G-Z6030, also under G-P303*. Has anyone tested for any of the "Sardinian G-P303*" SNPs within G-Z6030? The 1000 Genomes Punjabi in G-P303* shares no SNPs so far with either G-L140, or the Sardinian in G-Z6030, or the Kalash G-M426. Including G-M278, there may be as many as FIVE parallel branches under G-P303*"
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/G-Uncategorized/default.aspx

Kalash P303* are G-M426.

Cheers!

R. de Luz

soulblighter
02-16-2015, 03:02 AM
I just got my BigY analysis from Ray, and he indicates that I share 19 unique SNPs with the Pakistani Punjabi 1000 genomes sample that is P-303. This apparently indicates a connection going back 2850 years. He has created a new subgroup in his new comprehensive yDNA tree (https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/home)
I have 52 unique SNPs compared to other bigY testers which puts me at 7800 years to the closest sample.

parasar
02-16-2015, 03:26 AM
I just got my BigY analysis from Ray, and he indicates that I share 19 unique SNPs with the Pakistani Punjabi 1000 genomes sample that is P-303. This apparently indicates a connection going back 2850 years. He has created a new subgroup in his new comprehensive yDNA tree (https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/home)
I have 52 unique SNPs compared to other bigY testers which puts me at 7800 years to the closest sample.

Not very different from the J2a branch's separation point. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1244-J2b2-(J-M241)/page12

soulblighter
02-16-2015, 03:34 AM
Not very different from the J2a branch's separation point. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1244-J2b2-(J-M241)/page12

The numbers I quoted were apparently at 150 yrs per SNP.

parasar
02-16-2015, 03:40 AM
The numbers I quoted were apparently at 150 yrs per SNP.

That looks reasonable for BigY compared to FG Full/Elite at 88 years/SNP. A few have been tested for both.

soulblighter
02-16-2015, 02:37 PM
That looks reasonable for BigY compared to FG Full/Elite at 88 years/SNP. A few have been tested for both.

I just looked at his Y-Tree. He has the current "subcontinental" branching shared between the Pakistani Punjabi HGDP sample (HG02687) and myself under SNP Z30503 (7399836 C->G) at 10500 years before present (7800+2850), and the south Indian branch not shared by the Punjabi with SNP Z30523 (6903921 G->A) at 7700 ybp. But both these entries are in blue, as their exact position is unknown on the tree.
I wish the Iranian from Yazd and the Armenian G-P303* samples would also get a BigY or YPrime test.

deLuz
02-26-2015, 08:55 AM
•G2a2b2a2 L694 (5674986 del->ins) Poles, Belarusians
•G2a2b2a3 M278 (15022465 T->G) Greeks, Iberians
•G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) (10.5 KY)
• •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) S. Indians (7.7 KY)
•G2a2b2a5 M426 (19095973 T->G) Kalash
•G2a2b2a6 PF3912 (16705676 C->T) FTDNA subgroup
•G2a2b2a7 L288.2 (21286267 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
•G2a2b2a8 PF4685 (13679679 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
•G2a2b2a9 Z6030 (21682389 T->C) Sardinians

Soulblighter, are you Z30503? Is this subgroup south Indian as well? Or is Z30523 Punjabi?
Thanks in advance!
R. de Luz

soulblighter
02-27-2015, 01:04 AM
•G2a2b2a2 L694 (5674986 del->ins) Poles, Belarusians
•G2a2b2a3 M278 (15022465 T->G) Greeks, Iberians
•G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) (10.5 KY)
• •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) S. Indians (7.7 KY)
•G2a2b2a5 M426 (19095973 T->G) Kalash
•G2a2b2a6 PF3912 (16705676 C->T) FTDNA subgroup
•G2a2b2a7 L288.2 (21286267 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
•G2a2b2a8 PF4685 (13679679 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
•G2a2b2a9 Z6030 (21682389 T->C) Sardinians

Soulblighter, are you Z30503? Is this subgroup south Indian as well? Or is Z30523 Punjabi?
Thanks in advance!
R. de Luz

Rodrigo, Yes , I am Z30503+ and Z30523+.
Z30523 is in South India based on my BigY test. The pakistani punjabi sample is Z30523-.
I wish the FTDNA samples: Yazdi from Iran and orudjev from Armenia got BigY tests as well.

deLuz
03-02-2015, 03:07 PM
Ok. Thanks!
In this case, I assume the Punjabi man is Z30503+ but Z30523-; and you are (as you say) Z30503+ and Z30523+
Is this Ok? Is Z30523 (S. India) a branch of Z30503 (Punjabi and S. India)?
•G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) (10.5 KY) Punjabi and S. Indian
• •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) S. Indians (7.7 KY)

soulblighter
03-02-2015, 03:51 PM
Ok. Thanks!
In this case, I assume the Punjabi man is Z30503+ but Z30523-; and you are (as you say) Z30503+ and Z30523+
Is this Ok? Is Z30523 (S. India) a branch of Z30503 (Punjabi and S. India)?
•G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) (10.5 KY) Punjabi and S. Indian
• •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) S. Indians (7.7 KY)

I do not know if the Punjabi is Z30523-, because Ray did not indicate that to me... He said that once the SNP testing is available and others order it, there will be more clarity on what is located where.

deLuz
03-02-2015, 04:03 PM
There are three or four samplers that I wish could have more deep SNP testing: Mirzayantz (Karabagh), Yazdi (Iran), Balakai (Ukraine), and Ismayilov or Orudjev (both from Azerbaijan).
Soulblighter... are you Mr. Rangaswamy?
Cheers!
Rod

soulblighter
03-02-2015, 06:08 PM
There are three or four samplers that I wish could have more deep SNP testing: Mirzayantz (Karabagh), Yazdi (Iran), Balakai (Ukraine), and Ismayilov or Orudjev (both from Azerbaijan).
Soulblighter... are you Mr. Rangaswamy?
Cheers!
Rod

No I am not. But he and I share the same ethnic background :) . Yes I would think it would be very beneficial to test Yazdi, Mirayantz and Orudjev as well.

deLuz
03-03-2015, 10:09 AM
Ok!
Where do we find more P303*/L140- people? Do you know if there are some L140- in Northern Caucasus, and in the Southern and Eastern shores of the Caspian Sea (Gilaki, Mazandaran, Kyrghyz, Turkmen, etc.)?

soulblighter
03-06-2015, 11:53 AM
Ok!
Where do we find more P303*/L140- people? Do you know if there are some L140- in Northern Caucasus, and in the Southern and Eastern shores of the Caspian Sea (Gilaki, Mazandaran, Kyrghyz, Turkmen, etc.)?

Yes that would be my guess... and the southern parts of the "stans"

deLuz
03-17-2015, 09:49 PM
Hello, brothers,
Have you heard about the new Punjabi subhaplogroup G2a2b2a4b Z31383??

Then P303 subgroups resume here:
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a2 L694 (5674986 del->ins) Poles, Belarusians
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a3 M278 (15022465 T->G) Greeks, Iberians
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) 10.5 KY
• • • • • • • •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) s. Indians 7.7 KY
• • • • • • • •G2a2b2a4b Z31383 (2831352 C->T) Punjabis of Pakistan 7.7 KY
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a5 M426 (19095973 T->G) Kalash
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a6 PF3912 (16705676 C->T) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a7 L288.2 (21286267 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a8 PF4685 (13679679 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a9 Z6030 (21682389 T->C) Sardinians

Cheers

Rod

soulblighter
03-17-2015, 10:35 PM
Hello, brothers,
Have you heard about the new Punjabi subhaplogroup G2a2b2a4b Z31383??

Then P303 subgroups resume here:
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a2 L694 (5674986 del->ins) Poles, Belarusians
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a3 M278 (15022465 T->G) Greeks, Iberians
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) 10.5 KY
• • • • • • • •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) s. Indians 7.7 KY
• • • • • • • •G2a2b2a4b Z31383 (2831352 C->T) Punjabis of Pakistan 7.7 KY
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a5 M426 (19095973 T->G) Kalash
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a6 PF3912 (16705676 C->T) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a7 L288.2 (21286267 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a8 PF4685 (13679679 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a9 Z6030 (21682389 T->C) Sardinians

Cheers

Rod

No! What sample is this?

newtoboard
03-17-2015, 10:49 PM
Hello, brothers,
Have you heard about the new Punjabi subhaplogroup G2a2b2a4b Z31383??

Then P303 subgroups resume here:
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a2 L694 (5674986 del->ins) Poles, Belarusians
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a3 M278 (15022465 T->G) Greeks, Iberians
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a4 Z30503 (7399836 C->G) 10.5 KY
• • • • • • • •G2a2b2a4a Z30523 (6903921 G->A) s. Indians 7.7 KY
• • • • • • • •G2a2b2a4b Z31383 (2831352 C->T) Punjabis of Pakistan 7.7 KY
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a5 M426 (19095973 T->G) Kalash
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a6 PF3912 (16705676 C->T) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a7 L288.2 (21286267 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a8 PF4685 (13679679 G->A) FTDNA subgroup
• • • • • • •G2a2b2a9 Z6030 (21682389 T->C) Sardinians

Cheers

Rod

Intresting. I thought most South Asian G was G2a3b1.

soulblighter
03-17-2015, 10:53 PM
Intresting. I thought most South Asian G was G2a3b1.

G2a3b1 has been renamed to G2a2b2

deLuz
03-18-2015, 11:35 AM
Let me share with you another mistery about our P303*, L140-:
Among the people in one of our branches (G2a2b2a...P303+ DYS392=12 & DYS520=20) you can find, among some British and German people, one man from the Gagauz people.
This could have no relevance if we don't realize Gagauz people is a Bulgar/Turkic speaking people, whose origin could have been in the Imaon/Pamir mountains: "According to Ashharatsuyts the Central Asian territory west of Imeon was inhabited in Antiquity by fifteen old artisan and trading nations: Massagetae, Bulgars (Bulhi in Armenian; Shirakatsi uses the same name for the Bulgars who inhabited the valleys of Northern Caucasus at his time, and according to Moses of Chorene had settled also the Bulgarian-Armenian principality of Vanand before that, Khwarezmians (‘Horozmiki’) etc., and by forty-three nomadic tribes including the Hephthalites and Alchons. Apart from Anania Shirakatsi, other historiographers in late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages such as Agathias of Myrina, Theophylact Simocatta, and Michael the Syrian also identify Mount Imeon as an early homeland of the ancient Bulgars — where the ancient Kingdom of Balhara was located...
Gagauz have 10.4 and 17.1 % Hg. G, and maybe some of them are P303* as well.

What do you think about it?

Pamir Mountains
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir_Mountains
Mount Imeon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Imeon
Gagauz people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people
Kazarig
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazarig

In this subgroup: 4089

soulblighter
03-23-2015, 02:58 AM
Let me share with you another mistery about our P303*, L140-:
Among the people in one of our branches (G2a2b2a...P303+ DYS392=12 & DYS520=20) you can find, among some British and German people, one man from the Gagauz people.
This could have no relevance if we don't realize Gagauz people is a Bulgar/Turkic speaking people, whose origin could have been in the Imaon/Pamir mountains: "According to Ashharatsuyts the Central Asian territory west of Imeon was inhabited in Antiquity by fifteen old artisan and trading nations: Massagetae, Bulgars (Bulhi in Armenian; Shirakatsi uses the same name for the Bulgars who inhabited the valleys of Northern Caucasus at his time, and according to Moses of Chorene had settled also the Bulgarian-Armenian principality of Vanand before that, Khwarezmians (‘Horozmiki’) etc., and by forty-three nomadic tribes including the Hephthalites and Alchons. Apart from Anania Shirakatsi, other historiographers in late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages such as Agathias of Myrina, Theophylact Simocatta, and Michael the Syrian also identify Mount Imeon as an early homeland of the ancient Bulgars — where the ancient Kingdom of Balhara was located...
Gagauz have 10.4 and 17.1 % Hg. G, and maybe some of them are P303* as well.

What do you think about it?

Pamir Mountains
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir_Mountains
Mount Imeon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Imeon
Gagauz people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people
Kazarig
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazarig

In this subgroup: 4089

I am completely ignorant about this subject. Definitely something to read! Hopefully others may have some insight.

Rayaan
08-18-2015, 10:26 PM
G2a2a1b1 - PF3146+, PF3148+, FGC34451+, FGC34387+
Punjabi JaT from Pakistan

soulblighter
10-13-2015, 03:09 AM
G2a2a1b1 - PF3146+, PF3148+, FGC34451+, FGC34387+
Punjabi JaT from Pakistan

I wonder if there is an FGC SNP that corresponds with Z30503 and Z30523.

Surtakey
07-03-2017, 08:32 PM
Hi!

Just got back my LivingDNA results a couple of days ago and came out as G2a-P303 (unfortunately the subclade didn't trickle down further than that). My paternal family΄s originally from Logar, Afghanistan tracing ourselves back to the Islamic grammarian Muhammad ibn Tayfour of Sajawand (d. 1165 CE), so if that tradition's correct the haplogroup has been around these parts for at least 800-900 years (probably no news to you guys). I would like to learn more about the origins of this subclade but are unfortunately rather ignorant when it comes to genetics...

It would be nice to get a more detailed testing but unfortunately I'm a poor student :P Since the haplogroup sounded quite uncommon and obscure I figured that I'd reach out to learn some more :) Is there any way which I might contribute to the research as a poor, genetics-illiteral person?

soulblighter
05-07-2018, 12:05 AM
Hi!

Just got back my LivingDNA results a couple of days ago and came out as G2a-P303 (unfortunately the subclade didn't trickle down further than that). My paternal family΄s originally from Logar, Afghanistan tracing ourselves back to the Islamic grammarian Muhammad ibn Tayfour of Sajawand (d. 1165 CE), so if that tradition's correct the haplogroup has been around these parts for at least 800-900 years (probably no news to you guys). I would like to learn more about the origins of this subclade but are unfortunately rather ignorant when it comes to genetics...

It would be nice to get a more detailed testing but unfortunately I'm a poor student :P Since the haplogroup sounded quite uncommon and obscure I figured that I'd reach out to learn some more :) Is there any way which I might contribute to the research as a poor, genetics-illiteral person?

Just saw this post. Do you have STR results? if so can you post them?
I would suggest getting a kit from yseq and test a few SNPs as a next step after looking at STR data.