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Cahira
06-24-2017, 12:57 PM
Hey there!

I apologize if a similar question has been asked here but I'm pretty new to this topic. I did a DNA test via MyHeritage (I'm living in Germany and I couldn't order an Ancestry kit yet). According to this test I'm mainly North/West European with Iberia and some Balkan. Thing is I know that I have Italian lineage for example as well and although I know that I may not have inherited it I was a bit disappointed at how general my MyHeritage results were. I mean North-West European could be anything from Finland to France.

My question now is: which Gedmatch test would be best for me as I think I may have quite a bit of Mediterranean or even some little bits of North African/West Asian in me? And which of the tests - as they are SO many - is the most reliable?

JerryS.
06-24-2017, 01:03 PM
Hey there!

I apologize if a similar question has been asked here but I'm pretty new to this topic. I did a DNA test via MyHeritage (I'm living in Germany and I couldn't order an Ancestry kit yet). According to this test I'm mainly North/West European with Iberia and some Balkan. Thing is I know that I have Italian lineage for example as well and although I know that I may not have inherited it I was a bit disappointed at how general my MyHeritage results were. I mean North-West European could be anything from Finland to France.

My question now is: which Gedmatch test would be best for me as I think I may have quite a bit of Mediterranean or even some little bits of North African/West Asian in me? And which of the tests - as they are SO many - is the most reliable?


Try the Eurogenes calculators first. there are several so do not settle for one ancient model. Dodecad has some good ones too. the Oracle is good, and the Oracle 4 is good also. check out the EUtest or something like. check all the models you can to see which one is closest to your known ancestry. some models are more favorable towards certain regions....

Cahira
06-25-2017, 12:56 PM
Thank you for your reply and advice!

I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

Eurogenes K13


Population
North_Atlantic 42.78
Baltic 22.12
West_Med 17.79
West_Asian 7.45
East_Med 7.59
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.73
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.62
Northeast_African 0.74
Sub-Saharan 0.17



EUTest



Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.49
EAST_EURO 9.06
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.72
ATLANTIC 24.23
WEST_MED 16.12
EAST_MED 5.81
WEST_ASIAN 7.17
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.24
WEST_AFRICAN 0.12



There were other Eurogenes calculators which didn't spot Africa and Asia at all.

JerryS.
06-25-2017, 01:08 PM
[QUOTE=Cahira;251659]Thank you for your reply and advice!

I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

Eurogenes K13


Population
North_Atlantic 42.78
Baltic 22.12
West_Med 17.79
West_Asian 7.45
East_Med 7.59
Red_Sea

try the Dodecad V3.

NewAlbion
06-25-2017, 03:56 PM
Thank you for your reply and advice!

I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

Eurogenes K13


Population
North_Atlantic 42.78
Baltic 22.12
West_Med 17.79
West_Asian 7.45
East_Med 7.59
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.73
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.62
Northeast_African 0.74
Sub-Saharan 0.17



EUTest



Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.49
EAST_EURO 9.06
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.72
ATLANTIC 24.23
WEST_MED 16.12
EAST_MED 5.81
WEST_ASIAN 7.17
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.24
WEST_AFRICAN 0.12



There were other Eurogenes calculators which didn't spot Africa and Asia at all.

A good rule of thumb is to ignore anything under 1% but since you have German and Italian ancestry Asian and African are not out of the question because of :


1.) The Moors in southern Europe

2.) The Huns in Germany


3.) Slavic influence in East Germany and Austria

AJL
06-26-2017, 04:41 PM
Thread moved to Open-Source Projects.

sweuro
06-26-2017, 06:01 PM
Show the Oracles.

Cahira
06-26-2017, 07:22 PM
[QUOTE=Cahira;251659]Thank you for your reply and advice!

I did these two Eurogenes. On MyHeritage there was nothing regarding Asia or Africa AT ALL. How accurate are these Gedmatch calculators? Are the more excat than MyHeritage?

Eurogenes K13


Population
North_Atlantic 42.78
Baltic 22.12
West_Med 17.79
West_Asian 7.45
East_Med 7.59
Red_Sea

try the Dodecad V3.

Thanks again!

Here it is...

# Population Percent
1 West_European 46.42
2 Mediterranean 28.89
3 East_European 11.68
4 West_Asian 10.2
5 Northwest_African 1.06
6 Southwest_Asian 0.97
7 Northeast_Asian 0.77


# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 7.81
2 N._European (Xing) 9.33
3 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 9.83
4 Orcadian (HGDP) 9.98
5 German (Dodecad) 10.2
6 French (HGDP) 10.21
7 French (Dodecad) 10.33
8 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 10.4
9 Slovenian (Xing) 12.42
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 14.81
11 Dutch (Dodecad) 15.96
12 Hungarians (Behar) 16.24
13 Kent (1000 Genomes) 18.04
14 Portuguese (Dodecad) 19.45
15 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.51
16 Tuscan (Henn) 19.95
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 19.96
18 TSI (HapMap) 20
19 British (Dodecad) 20
20 Tuscan (Xing) 20.14



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.2% CEU (HapMap) + 17.8% Greek (Dodecad) 1.29
2 78.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 21.8% Greek (Dodecad) 1.45
3 77.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 22.5% Greek (Dodecad) 1.47
4 78.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 21.4% Greek (Dodecad) 1.91
5 58.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 41.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) 1.92
6 55.5% British (Dodecad) + 44.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.01
7 79.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 20.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.11
8 83.2% CEU (HapMap) + 16.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.12
9 55.1% French (HGDP) + 44.9% Slovenian (Xing) 2.12
10 55% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 45% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.13
11 61.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 38.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.15
12 55.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 44.4% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.17
13 83.9% CEU (HapMap) + 16.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.24
14 79.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.32
15 76.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 23.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) 2.43
16 78.6% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 21.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.44
17 80.4% CEU (HapMap) + 19.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) 2.44
18 82.8% CEU (HapMap) + 17.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.45
19 80.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 19.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.47
20 73.2% German (Dodecad) + 26.8% Tuscan (HGDP) 2.51

Cahira
06-26-2017, 07:29 PM
A good rule of thumb is to ignore anything under 1% but since you have German and Italian ancestry Asian and African are not out of the question because of :


1.) The Moors in southern Europe

2.) The Huns in Germany


3.) Slavic influence in East Germany and Austria


Thank you! The anything under 1 % helps me to understand more. I'm truly fascinated by all of this and I apologize when I write and ask like a noob but I'm really interested in this topic and am grateful for any help and anything I can learn about it.

Yes, the only thing I know for certain is that I have German, French (probably more than German), Austrian and Italian ancestry. It may sound silly because as someone born and raised in Germany I am well aware that not everyone here is fair and blonde but I look very different. Everyone I meet thinks I am either Italian or at least from South France. I do have some friends from Egypt and they always said I could be mixed Egyptian somehow and I have to admit I see certain resemblances, even the nose, face shape, dark hair and almost black eyes. But at the same time I do have freckles and that certain light skin that is typical for Irish or Scots. I don't seem to really fit anywhere exactly.

I've never come across any English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish ancestry in my heritage so far at all. So, I'm also surprised when I see Orcadian popping up in several results for example or is this just because they share some Scandi DNA with the Germans?

Cahira
06-26-2017, 07:37 PM
Show the Oracles.


Eurogenes K13



# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.25
2 South_Dutch 3.38
3 French 6.2
4 Southeast_English 8.45
5 Austrian 9.12
6 North_German 9.66
7 Southwest_English 9.69
8 Orcadian 10.31
9 North_Dutch 10.67
10 East_German 10.78
11 Danish 10.82
12 Irish 11.24
13 West_Scottish 11.74
14 Norwegian 12.9
15 Spanish_Cataluna 13.12
16 Swedish 13.47
17 Hungarian 13.51
18 Spanish_Galicia 14.42
19 Portuguese 14.5
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% North_German + 18.2% Sardinian 2.32
2 86.8% West_German + 13.2% Southwest_French 2.34
3 69.6% Southwest_English + 30.4% Bulgarian 2.41
4 92% West_German + 8% French_Basque 2.48
5 95.4% West_German + 4.6% Sardinian 2.53
6 88.1% West_German + 11.9% Spanish_Cantabria 2.54
7 66.7% Southwest_English + 33.3% Romanian 2.6
8 89.9% West_German + 10.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 2.7
9 90.6% West_German + 9.4% Spanish_Andalucia 2.7
10 90.7% West_German + 9.3% Spanish_Aragon 2.71
11 95.4% South_Dutch + 4.6% Sardinian 2.71
12 88.1% West_German + 11.9% Spanish_Cataluna 2.75
13 90.5% West_German + 9.5% Spanish_Valencia 2.8
14 92% South_Dutch + 8% Bulgarian 2.82
15 89.9% West_German + 10.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 2.83
16 90.8% South_Dutch + 9.2% North_Italian 2.83
17 59.1% Norwegian + 40.9% North_Italian 2.84
18 90% West_German + 10% Spanish_Galicia 2.84
19 91.3% South_Dutch + 8.7% Romanian 2.87
20 91.3% West_German + 8.7% Spanish_Extremadura









EUtest




Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 FR 6.47
2 West_&_Central_German 6.65
3 NL 6.84
4 Cornish 7.43
5 English 8.03
6 AT 8.68
7 Orcadian 9.4
8 IE 9.66
9 DK 10.99
10 Scottish 11.15
11 NO 12.15
12 South_&_Central_Swedish 12.55
13 HU 13.51
14 PT 13.71
15 ES 14.18
16 Serbian 15.34
17 North_Italian 15.49
18 North_Swedish 15.55
19 RO 17.29
20 Tuscan 20.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% West_&_Central_German + 11.3% Sardinian 3.57
2 72.2% NL + 27.8% North_Italian 3.64
3 51.1% FR + 48.9% West_&_Central_German 3.93
4 63.7% Orcadian + 36.3% North_Italian 3.95
5 56.6% NO + 43.4% North_Italian 4
6 63% IE + 37% North_Italian 4.04
7 88.9% NL + 11.1% Sardinian 4.04
8 52.3% FR + 47.7% NL 4.12
9 70.6% FR + 29.4% South_&_Central_Swedish 4.19
10 68.6% English + 31.4% North_Italian 4.21
11 74.4% West_&_Central_German + 25.6% North_Italian 4.25
12 55.8% South_&_Central_Swedish + 44.2% North_Italian 4.31
13 75.6% FR + 24.4% North_Swedish 4.32
14 70.3% FR + 29.7% NO 4.34
15 83.3% FR + 16.7% West_Russian 4.34
16 84.6% FR + 15.4% EE 4.35
17 71.2% Cornish + 28.8% North_Italian 4.35
18 82% FR + 18% PL 4.38
19 79.3% NL + 20.7% Tuscan 4.46
20 86.7% FR + 13.3% LIT 4.46





Using 1 population approximation:
1 FR 7.354996
2 West_&_Central_German 7.400390
3 NL 7.697181
4 Cornish 8.436759
5 English 9.058424
6 AT 9.850832
7 Orcadian 10.625271
8 IE 10.967661
9 DK 12.453604
10 Scottish 12.606228
11 NO 13.791229
12 South_&_Central_Swedish 14.186061
13 HU 15.301321
14 PT 15.513967
15 ES 16.034159
16 North_Swedish 17.482002
17 Serbian 17.740297
18 North_Italian 17.956528
19 RO 20.040545
20 Tuscan 23.746965

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +50% West_&_Central_German 4.497833


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +25% HU +25% IE 3.866747


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 FR + IE + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish 3.849377
2 FR + FR + HU + IE 3.866747
3 FR + IE + NO + North_Italian 3.954030
4 FR + North_Italian + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish 3.989489
5 IE + NL + NL + North_Italian 4.049446
6 FR + NO + North_Italian + Orcadian 4.050897
7 FR + FR + HU + Orcadian 4.055195
8 AT + FR + FR + IE 4.089264
9 IE + NL + North_Italian + West_&_Central_German 4.102201
10 English + FR + FR + HU 4.139439
11 FR + NL + North_Italian + South_&_Central_Swedish 4.159217
12 FR + FR + HU + Scottish 4.159941
13 Cornish + NL + NL + North_Italian 4.161526
14 FR + NL + NO + North_Italian 4.168683
15 NL + NL + North_Italian + Orcadian 4.174409
16 AT + English + IE + North_Italian 4.184473
17 AT + IE + IE + North_Italian 4.188408
18 FR + North_Italian + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish 4.191140
19 NL + NL + NL + North_Italian 4.192428
20 AT + FR + FR + Orcadian 4.201344

sweuro
06-26-2017, 10:55 PM
Looks like Northern French/South Dutch people, which makes sense given the average of your ancestry , but what exactly you want to know ?

Nnobrega
08-16-2018, 05:27 PM
Thank you! The anything under 1 % helps me to understand more. I'm truly fascinated by all of this and I apologize when I write and ask like a noob but I'm really interested in this topic and am grateful for any help and anything I can learn about it.

Yes, the only thing I know for certain is that I have German, French (probably more than German), Austrian and Italian ancestry. It may sound silly because as someone born and raised in Germany I am well aware that not everyone here is fair and blonde but I look very different. Everyone I meet thinks I am either Italian or at least from South France. I do have some friends from Egypt and they always said I could be mixed Egyptian somehow and I have to admit I see certain resemblances, even the nose, face shape, dark hair and almost black eyes. But at the same time I do have freckles and that certain light skin that is typical for Irish or Scots. I don't seem to really fit anywhere exactly.

I've never come across any English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish ancestry in my heritage so far at all. So, I'm also surprised when I see Orcadian popping up in several results for example or is this just because they share some Scandi DNA with the Germans?

Do not fret my friend! You are simply expressing through your phenotype, what appears to be about 1/3 of your DNA Mediteranian. Genetically you are German! Be proud, all Germans have in their DNA the possibility of looking the way you do and not Scandinavian like. There are a handful of Germans could pass as Italians/Spaniards/Portuguese

By looking at my dark skin, hair, and eyes, you would never guess I have 50% Atlantic/Baltic DNA. Im full Portuguese! If you took the same DNA and had your genes select your phenotype all over again, you could look like your other German brothers and sisters who are fair. Explain this to people, dont let anyone strip you of your ancestry. Love what you have and know you are GERMAN.

cheers.

JerryS.
08-17-2018, 12:18 AM
[QUOTE=JerryS.;251660]

Thanks again!

Here it is...

# Population Percent
1 West_European 46.42
2 Mediterranean 28.89
3 East_European 11.68
4 West_Asian 10.2
5 Northwest_African 1.06
6 Southwest_Asian 0.97
7 Northeast_Asian 0.77


# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 7.81
2 N._European (Xing) 9.33
3 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 9.83
4 Orcadian (HGDP) 9.98
5 German (Dodecad) 10.2
6 French (HGDP) 10.21
7 French (Dodecad) 10.33
8 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 10.4
9 Slovenian (Xing) 12.42
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 14.81
11 Dutch (Dodecad) 15.96
12 Hungarians (Behar) 16.24
13 Kent (1000 Genomes) 18.04
14 Portuguese (Dodecad) 19.45
15 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.51
16 Tuscan (Henn) 19.95
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 19.96
18 TSI (HapMap) 20
19 British (Dodecad) 20
20 Tuscan (Xing) 20.14



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.2% CEU (HapMap) + 17.8% Greek (Dodecad) 1.29
2 78.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 21.8% Greek (Dodecad) 1.45
3 77.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 22.5% Greek (Dodecad) 1.47
4 78.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 21.4% Greek (Dodecad) 1.91
5 58.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 41.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) 1.92
6 55.5% British (Dodecad) + 44.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.01
7 79.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 20.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.11
8 83.2% CEU (HapMap) + 16.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.12
9 55.1% French (HGDP) + 44.9% Slovenian (Xing) 2.12
10 55% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 45% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.13
11 61.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 38.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.15
12 55.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 44.4% Romanians_14 (Behar) 2.17
13 83.9% CEU (HapMap) + 16.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.24
14 79.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.32
15 76.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 23.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) 2.43
16 78.6% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 21.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.44
17 80.4% CEU (HapMap) + 19.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) 2.44
18 82.8% CEU (HapMap) + 17.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.45
19 80.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 19.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.47
20 73.2% German (Dodecad) + 26.8% Tuscan (HGDP) 2.51

this indicate a primary group in N.W. Europe and a minor group from the Mediterranean (south Italy).