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Roaring
06-28-2017, 01:17 AM
No matches on FTDNA so far, maybe it takes time to proceed the results?I've recieved them just today.

Marker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 ** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II ***
Value 13 22 14 10 11-14 11 15 11 13 11 29
PANEL 2 (13-25)
Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464
Value 15 8-9 8 11 23 16 20 29 13-14-15-15
PANEL 3 (26-37)
Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438
Value 10 9 19-20 14 14 17 20 34-39 12 10

Y-Search results:
http://i.imgur.com/1NXSxE2.png


Any ideas on subclade\futher testing?

Sassoneg
07-14-2017, 06:33 PM
I1* would be tough indeed. The best but most expensive solution would be a full Y or something. I would be interested to know if any SNP testing has been done?

spruithean
07-16-2017, 08:50 PM
I1* would be tough indeed. The best but most expensive solution would be a full Y or something. I would be interested to know if any SNP testing has been done?

I would echo this.

Your granddad's haplotype seems to be rather "generic" for I1. Further SNP testing could help you narrow things down.

spruithean
08-03-2017, 03:24 PM
According to World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor (http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm) your haplotype fits fairly well with I-M253-AS10, which according to Eupedia corresponds to I-Z138.

The Haplo-I Subclade Predictor has fairly consistent results showing the following: I-M253-AS10 =>68% I-M253-ML =>12% I-M253-AS2 =>5% I-L22-Bothnia =>5% I-M253-AS9a =>4% I-M253-ASgen =>3% I-M253-T13 =>2%

About I-Z138: Eupedia's Page on Haplogroup I1, specifically linked to grouping by STRs (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml#STRs)

Z138+ (aka Z139+) is a very disparate subclade. It is found at very low frequency throughout the Germanic world, with a peak in England and Wales (although it could just be because of oversampling in Britain). Besides Germanic countries, it has also been found in Ireland, Portugal, southern Italy, Hungary and Romania. Z138+ corresponds to AS2, AS10, AS1010.2, AS10910, AS1221, AS1414 and Esc-13 in FTDNA's STR-based nomenclature. Z138 is divided in four subclades: S2293 (the largest), S5619, PF1610, and PF2364.

This isn't definitive and SNP testing would certainly rule out whether your grandfather is I-Z138 or some other subclade of I-M253.

Roaring
08-03-2017, 04:08 PM
According to World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor (http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm) your haplotype fits fairly well with I-M253-AS10, which according to Eupedia corresponds to I-Z138.

The Haplo-I Subclade Predictor has fairly consistent results showing the following: I-M253-AS10 =>68% I-M253-ML =>12% I-M253-AS2 =>5% I-L22-Bothnia =>5% I-M253-AS9a =>4% I-M253-ASgen =>3% I-M253-T13 =>2%

About I-Z138: Eupedia's Page on Haplogroup I1, specifically linked to grouping by STRs (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml#STRs)


This isn't definitive and SNP testing would certainly rule out whether your grandfather is I-Z138 or some other subclade of I-M253.

Thanks, i'll take a look at it.

davedog83
08-05-2017, 07:13 AM
I recommend joining the z138 Facebook group. The members have a great deal of knowledge on the subclade and a fairly advanced haplotree for z138ers.

vettor
04-25-2018, 06:36 PM
I have just been given my grandfather -maternal side results....they are

I1 - L759

Anyone know origins or other material on this line ?

deadly77
04-25-2018, 07:59 PM
I have just been given my grandfather -maternal side results....they are

I1 - L759

Anyone know origins or other material on this line ?

I1-L759 is what the Morley subclade predictor spits out when it can't determine a subclade of I1/I-M253, usually from no positive downstream SNPs that define a subclade. Usually comes from extracting the raw data from an AncestryDNA or 23andme test.

The I1 haplogroup is defined by over 300 SNPs, including the M253 marker that it's most commonly named after. L759 is another one of those 300+ SNPs. Everyone who is M253+ so far is also L759+. So basically, base camp in I1. May be actually on a known subclade, but the original test doesn't test the appropriate markers to verify. You may be able to eliminate some of the subclades that your grandfather is not - those SNPs will show up negative (red) in the Morley predictor.

JonikW
04-25-2018, 08:24 PM
I have just been given my grandfather -maternal side results....they are

I1 - L759

Anyone know origins or other material on this line ?

Where was his line from, out of interest?

vettor
04-25-2018, 08:47 PM
My cousin gave me this plus many positive and negative snp......are these useless?

Regards

vettor
04-25-2018, 08:51 PM
Since her surname originates from one of the 26 families who began venice circa 450AD....then her line cannot be lombard but must be maybe associated with ostrogoths.
Tracing her line from present to 1650...it was always around coastal venice and up to grado friuli

deadly77
04-25-2018, 10:35 PM
My cousin gave me this plus many positive and negative snp......are these useless?

Regards

Depends on what the SNPs are. Most in the dataset will be pre-I1 and not useful. If they're downstream they will be useful, but all I've got to go on right now is I-L759, and usually that means nothing downstream. It depends very much on what the test that generated the data and what version of their chip, and sometimes which tree (ISOGG or experimental) is used in Morley. For example, processing my Ancestry data shows up as I-Z2535 because it tests for that plus Z59, Z60, Z140, YSC0000261 in the raw data. My 23andme v4 doesn't test any of those and just shows me as I-M253. It doesn't mean I'm not Z2535+, it's just the test itself is blind to that SNP. If I had tested 23andme v5, those SNPs would have been tested and shown positive. But these are all fairly basic tests on the Y-DNA - 23and gives enough to establish a basic haplogroup and Ancestry doesn't report it and you have to dig into the raw data.

vettor
04-26-2018, 12:03 AM
Thanks
Any program that you know which i can run these Snps

Soneone ssid i should upload to dnaland then once its done dowload the csv file

deadly77
04-26-2018, 08:14 AM
Thanks
Any program that you know which i can run these Snps

Soneone ssid i should upload to dnaland then once its done dowload the csv file

I think you are missing the point - the source data is what it is. As I said earlier, if the test doesn't include a SNP, then there is no way to extract it from a low resolution Y-test. You need to understand the limitation of what a primarily autosomal test can provide from a Y-DNA perspective. You still haven't specified where the original data came from (which may let us know the limitations). All my points are still valid. Uploading to dnaland won't give you any additional SNPs (and dnaland doesn't give you any Y-SNPs anyway) - they'll analyze the data from the source - autosomal - and then try and tell you what colour your eyes are or how much coffee you drink. Best off ignore dnaland in my opinion.

If you want to go further into Y-DNA, you have a few options - the expensive ones are the NGS/WGS such as FTDNA Big Y, FGC, YSEQ, Dante, etc. All of these are >$500. For SNP pack testing or single SNP testing the only options are FTDNA or YSEQ. It depends on your goals and budget. For some people, a basic haplogroup (where your grandfather is right now) is enough, for others, it's different. Best bang for your buck would be the I1 superclade panel at YSEQ - covers most of the current tree and great value https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=43455&osCsid=8df2e8a769f7272a8d31af3546f983bd

vettor
04-27-2018, 02:44 AM
Thanks
I found her line ( my grandmother brother ) is positive for CTS6009......so i presume its part of the i1-L22 branch

I-Y4734Y4735 * Y4736 * Y4737+22 SNPsformed 2400 ybp, TMRCA 1100 ybp

I-Y4734*CTS6009 * YFC094309 * YFC085690+10 SNPs

deadly77
04-27-2018, 04:13 PM
Thanks
I found her line ( my grandmother brother ) is positive for CTS6009......so i presume its part of the i1-L22 branch

I-Y4734Y4735 * Y4736 * Y4737+22 SNPsformed 2400 ybp, TMRCA 1100 ybp

I-Y4734*CTS6009 * YFC094309 * YFC085690+10 SNPs

If you're confident of the relationship, then it's great that someone has tested that far down. If you want to confirm, you can jump to the end and test a single SNP at YSEQ for $18. I had a look on the current YFull tree and CTS6009 and I couldn't find it, although Y7434 was there and as so say, under the L22 branch https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y4734/ although CTS6009 is on an earlier version (3.07) of the YFull tree https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.07/tree/I-Y4734/ - not sure what's going on there.

vettor
04-27-2018, 05:09 PM
If you're confident of the relationship, then it's great that someone has tested that far down. If you want to confirm, you can jump to the end and test a single SNP at YSEQ for $18. I had a look on the current YFull tree and CTS6009 and I couldn't find it, although Y7434 was there and as so say, under the L22 branch https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y4734/ although CTS6009 is on an earlier version (3.07) of the YFull tree https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.07/tree/I-Y4734/ - not sure what's going on there.

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I might need some guidance is sorting through all the ydna and mtdna I have found

vettor
04-29-2018, 10:08 PM
Checked further my grandmother father line..and it is i1d1-P109.....close STR numbers to a person in frdna project named Zanni.....
ZANNI/ZANI in venetian language equal Giovanni

deadly77
04-30-2018, 04:32 AM
I'm not P109 myself, but I understand it's an active group underneath L22. The FTDNA group is here https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/y-dna-i-p109/about/background and contains links to their Facebook group as well as their website (although that doesn't seem to have been updated recently). Also the FTDNA page gives contact information for the admins and co-admins. I'm not sure if they have any presence on the Anthrogenica forum, but at least a couple of them are reasonably active on some of the Facebook genetic genealogy pages. If the Y4734 SNP is the correct line, that's under I-P109.