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wertner
07-16-2013, 11:51 PM
Originally posted in molgen (http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=1194) forum.

As part of the research project YFull found new SNP Q1b:
121 SNP level Q1b (Y1017-Y1137).
132 SNiP level Q1b* (xQ1b1). All of these SNP's labeled independent branch, let's call it Q1b2 (Y1138-Y1269).
3 with inaccurate localization - the level Q1b or Q1b2 (Y1014-Y1016).

Technical data (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CIOag_UD&key=0Agq_ez43qXCjdFlxemtlUnZ1Qk01cVhMRVBFcm5WX3c&hl=en&authkey=CIOag_UD#gid=47) for the new SNP

Шад
12-03-2013, 03:51 PM
Y1144 and Y1150 are available for order!
http://shop.yseq.net/index.php?manufacturers_id=32

Táltos
12-04-2013, 03:09 AM
^ Thank you for posting. Have any Q1b1a men tested positive for these two SNPs? From what I could tell on the MolGen forum, a Punjabi in Lahore, Pakistan and an Indian Telugu in the UK had both tested positive for the Y1144. Also are these the SNPs that FTDNA's Big Y will uncover for Q1b?

Шад
12-04-2013, 09:00 AM
HG03652 (PJL) - Punjabi in Lahore,Pakistan Y1212/Y1218+, Y1144+
HG03864 (ITU) - Indian Telugu in the UK Y1212/Y1218+, Y1144+
Nobody else is known.
Also I do not have information about what the current day BigY or FYS booked by someone of people of Indian or Pakistani origin.
We have a shortage of information.

Táltos
12-04-2013, 04:26 PM
Nobody else is known.
Also I do not have information about what the current day BigY or FYS booked by someone of people of Indian or Pakistani origin.
We have a shortage of information.
Thank you for the further clarification. I can see in the Haplogroup Q Project there is a section listed for Big Y pending, 18 people are listed so far. One is Q1b1a kit #148637. So I am very happy to see at least one Q1b is in for it! It is good that they have many Native American testing. I know we would all like to learn more about their migrations and how they might be able to connect them to specific clans in the U.S. I do have to admit I'm a little selfish and have a "wish list" of some Q1b's that I would like to see tested further.:biggrin1: On that list would be one of the Academic Q1b samples from Dagestan, one from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Italy, one from the Netherlands-Irish-German cluster. Another one of the Q1b1a's with known Jewish ancestry (maybe Sephardic vs Ashkenazi). Oh and of course one of the Tartars! I know I have a big wish list. Oh well one can dream....

Шад
01-30-2014, 07:11 PM
New SNPs are available for order at YSeq (laboratory of Dr. Krahn). Recommended for advanced testing for all Q-M378 (aka Q1b1).
http://shop.yseq.net/index.php?cPath=1&sort=2a&filter_id=32

Táltos
02-05-2014, 04:55 AM
New SNPs are available for order at YSeq (laboratory of Dr. Krahn). Recommended for advanced testing for all Q-M378 (aka Q1b1).
http://shop.yseq.net/index.php?cPath=1&sort=2a&filter_id=32
Is there any SNP which is better to start with? I did set up an account a few weeks ago and Astrid advised that my brother will have to submit a new sample as FTDNA had not been responsive about using already stored samples.

lgmayka
02-19-2014, 09:44 PM
121 SNP level Q1b (Y1017-Y1137).
132 SNiP level Q1b* (xQ1b1). All of these SNP's labeled independent branch, let's call it Q1b2 (Y1138-Y1269).
3 with inaccurate localization - the level Q1b or Q1b2 (Y1014-Y1016).

Kit N118276 in my project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish/default.aspx?section=ysnp) has transferred Geno 2.0 results that show him to be L275+ M378- . Morley's calculator shows that he has only some, but not all, of the SNPs ordinarily associated with Q-L275.

The Y-DNA Q project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx?vgroup=yDNA_Q&section=yresults) has a list of men confirmed or predicted to be L275+ M378- . Unfortunately, that project does not display specific SNP results. The men in that category come from Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and India.

Táltos
02-23-2014, 01:54 AM
Kit N118276 in my project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish/default.aspx?section=ysnp) has transferred Geno 2.0 results that show him to be L275+ M378- . Morley's calculator shows that he has only some, but not all, of the SNPs ordinarily associated with Q-L275.

The Y-DNA Q project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx?vgroup=yDNA_Q§ion=yresults) has a list of men confirmed or predicted to be L275+ M378- . Unfortunately, that project does not display specific SNP results. The men in that category come from Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and India.
Yes. No specific SNP results for a specific Y DNA haplogroup project. It is annoying. I sure hope that changes with Big Y results.

That is interesting about the Geno 2.0 results that transferred into your project. I too would like to learn more about him.

BMG
02-23-2014, 11:33 AM
Kit N118276 in my project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish/default.aspx?section=ysnp) has transferred Geno 2.0 results that show him to be L275+ M378- . Morley's calculator shows that he has only some, but not all, of the SNPs ordinarily associated with Q-L275.

The Y-DNA Q project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx?vgroup=yDNA_Q§ion=yresults) has a list of men confirmed or predicted to be L275+ M378- . Unfortunately, that project does not display specific SNP results. The men in that category come from Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and India.

What is his ancestry ? It would be interesting if he is tested for Y1150

lgmayka
02-23-2014, 08:10 PM
What is his ancestry ?
He lists his patrilineage simply as Poland. He has ordered Y-DNA37.

Táltos
02-24-2014, 05:17 PM
He lists his patrilineage simply as Poland. He has ordered Y-DNA37.
Will be interesting to see his 37 markers, though I hope he decides to go up to 67.

Шад
02-24-2014, 07:08 PM
Kit N118276 in my project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish/default.aspx?section=ysnp) has transferred Geno 2.0 results that show him to be L275+ M378- . Morley's calculator shows that he has only some, but not all, of the SNPs ordinarily associated with Q-L275.

The Y-DNA Q project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx?vgroup=yDNA_Q§ion=yresults) has a list of men confirmed or predicted to be L275+ M378- . Unfortunately, that project does not display specific SNP results. The men in that category come from Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, and India.

L275+ L68+
Very interesting. Is he ready to continue testing? At his own expense or sponsor's expense?

lgmayka
02-24-2014, 09:39 PM
Is he ready to continue testing? At his own expense or sponsor's expense?
I'm sure he would gladly agree to tests financed by someone else. For himself, though, he just ordered Y-DNA37 as well as Family Finder--he may not want to spend any more money right now.

BMG
02-25-2014, 01:28 AM
There is a predicted Q1b in our project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SyrianChristiansOfIndia/default.aspx?section=yresults
Kit No 260512 Varghese

Шад
02-26-2014, 07:59 AM
There is a predicted Q1b in our project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SyrianChristiansOfIndia/default.aspx?section=yresults
Kit No 260512 Varghese

Cool! He really is very close to Q1b-Central Europe (DYF395S1 = 15-17) and some Q1b from North Africa and West Asia.
http://www.semargl.me/ru/dna/ydna/nearest-neighbors/54547/
I am willing to pay for two SNP (M378 and L245 for him) or 300 dollars if he would book BigY.

PS There are details about his origin?

Шад
02-26-2014, 08:24 AM
I'm sure he would gladly agree to tests financed by someone else. For himself, though, he just ordered Y-DNA37 as well as Family Finder--he may not want to spend any more money right now.

Then we'll wait.
I predict that he will be close to the Tatars L275 + M378-
See also: http://ru.rjgg.org/index.php/RJGGRE/article/view/136

Шад
02-26-2014, 12:26 PM
He lists his patrilineage simply as Poland. He has ordered Y-DNA37.

I am interested in several people from your project.


70579 Silver - Ukraine DYF395S1=15-18
53682 Litke M378+ L245-

Can they order BigY? I'm not ready to pay in full, but is willing to pay a substantial part of the costs.

Táltos
02-26-2014, 12:37 PM
Cool! He really is very close to Q1b-Central Europe (DYF395S1 = 15-17) and some Q1b from North Africa and West Asia.
http://www.semargl.me/ru/dna/ydna/nearest-neighbors/54547/
I am willing to pay for two SNP (M378 and L245 for him) or 300 dollars if he would book BigY.

PS There are details about his origin?
Шад very nice! And if he is joined to the Haplogroup Q project there is $50 earmarked in their general funds for any Q1b to test Big Y. I wonder if any other Q1b, DYF395S1=15-17 might be interested in helping out?

Táltos
02-26-2014, 12:40 PM
I am interested in several people from your project.


70579 Silver - Ukraine DYF395S1=15-18
53682 Litke M378+ L245-

Can they order BigY? I'm not ready to pay in full, but is willing to pay a substantial part of the costs.
Yes I noticed these guys too. It would be great if they further tested. :)

BMG
02-26-2014, 04:13 PM
Cool! He really is very close to Q1b-Central Europe (DYF395S1 = 15-17) and some Q1b from North Africa and West Asia.
http://www.semargl.me/ru/dna/ydna/nearest-neighbors/54547/
I am willing to pay for two SNP (M378 and L245 for him) or 300 dollars if he would book BigY.

PS There are details about his origin?

I hv informed him . Will PM you when he reply back

Шад
03-31-2014, 08:55 PM
YFull Experimental YTree (update). New position of L327+.
Q-Y2250
..... Q-Y2990 (new branch)
.......... YF01373 = Kz1 (L327-)
.......... YF01456 (L327+)
..... Q-L301 (Iranian branch)
http://yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2250/

Шад
03-31-2014, 09:02 PM
I hv informed him . Will PM you when he reply back

L245 was ordered for 260512

lgmayka
04-11-2014, 09:39 AM
Then we'll wait.
I predict that he will be close to the Tatars L275 + M378-
See also: http://ru.rjgg.org/index.php/RJGGRE/article/view/136
Kit N118276 now has his 37 markers:


13 22 13 10 12-14 12 12 11 13 15 29 17 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 32 13-15-16-18 10 9 19-19 15 14 17 17 35-37 12 10

Шад
04-11-2014, 03:40 PM
Kit N118276 now has his 37 markers:


13 22 13 10 12-14 12 12 11 13 15 29 17 9-10 11 11 26 15 19 32 13-15-16-18 10 9 19-19 15 14 17 17 35-37 12 10


37 markers did not add clarity.
http://www.semargl.me/ru/dna/ydna/nearest-neighbors/63548/
Very diverse environment. Most likely it just shows the error of mathematical modeling.
He seems very far from the Tatar princes (GD 15 on 37 markers)
My recommendations:
1) 67 markers
2) Y1150
And best of all BigY:)

Шад
04-18-2014, 07:30 PM
L245 was ordered for 260512

260512 L245+

Táltos
04-19-2014, 04:42 AM
260512 L245+
Very cool! :)

Táltos
08-15-2014, 02:22 PM
I just saw that Шад posted this over at Molgen.


Expected news - Afghan and Indo-Pakistani Q-L275 (xM378) were L68 +
Checked three people:

N14041Khan (Pashtun tribe Swati)
182773 Mansyrev (from Kadoma MPD)
265065 Duggal (India, Kshatriya, as well as Punjabi Kshatriyas N29052 Chopra and N39405 Hassanwalia)

That is interesting. This same branch of Q-L68 already confirmed include two Europeans.
66038 Miller (origin unknown)
N118276 Pryor (Polish)
They have only 37 markers, but they are obtained phylogeny far from the Tatars ...

Most likely, we are dealing with bulk branch parallel to the Q-M378 and sufficiently differentiated within itself.
Soon to be on BigY N118276, maybe he will clarify the structure of this subclade. While there are only three scientific sample (I mean full sequencing).
http://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y1150/
One of them - Punjabi from Lahore, Indian tulugu and Bengali. It is true from the perspective of a single space in the Indian subcontinent is all in the past one family.
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,2546.225.html



The part I put in bold I find to be most interesting too.

Шад
11-01-2014, 09:10 PM
The update of the ISOGG SNP tree; October 28, 2014
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ.html

Added almost all new SNP, which were found in the last year through the efforts of the team of administrators of the Q yDNA project and YFull.

In order to assess the scope of work you can look to subclade Q1b (year ago):
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ13.html

Táltos
11-05-2014, 02:50 PM
The update of the ISOGG SNP tree; October 28, 2014
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ.html

Added almost all new SNP, which were found in the last year through the efforts of the team of administrators of the Q yDNA project and YFull.

In order to assess the scope of work you can look to subclade Q1b (year ago):
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ13.html
This is great, I love it. However has BIG Y in fact been the BIG BUST for the Q-L245 DYF395S1 15-18, 15-19 men?

I can now see all the new SNPs added in the Haplogroup Q project for everyone except this group. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ydna_q/default.aspx?section=yresults I know the two men who are closest to my brother's kit results are in. Is Full Genomes the only ones who can break down this group further? Does BIG Y even cover the SNPs found in the AJ1 and AJ2 clusters that were discovered by FGC?

Táltos
11-05-2014, 08:25 PM
Шад,
Your silence is astounding to my questions. I can only take it to be true then that FGC is the only option for this group. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Шад
11-06-2014, 03:59 PM
Шад,
Your silence is astounding to my questions. I can only take it to be true then that FGC is the only option for this group. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Excuse me. But I do not always have the time to read the post at forums every day.
Regarding your question.

Branch of your brother has specific SNPs - YP1003, YP1010 (presumably). They are present in the BigY results of two person. Soon they will be available for order in FTDNA. I'll keep you informed.

Táltos
11-07-2014, 02:52 AM
Excuse me. But I do not always have the time to read the post at forums every day.
Regarding your question.

Branch of your brother has specific SNPs - YP1003, YP1010 (presumably). They are present in the BigY results of two person. Soon they will be available for order in FTDNA. I'll keep you informed.
I apologize for being impatient. Thank you very much. I am glad that I was wrong.

Táltos
11-21-2014, 04:58 AM
Branch of your brother has specific SNPs - YP1003, YP1010 (presumably). They are present in the BigY results of two person. Soon they will be available for order in FTDNA. I'll keep you informed.
Шад,
I saw that FTDNA has YP1003, YP1004, and YP1010 available to order. So I decided to order the YP1010 for my brother. If he is positive he should be positive for YP1003. If he is negative, I will then check the YP1003 to make sure.

Has any ages of these new branches been determined yet? I find it interesting that Q-YP1004, Q-Y2750, and Q-2780 all have SNP Q-2197 in common, but Q-YP1003 does not. http://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2197/ Is Q-YP1003 older than or around the same age as Q-2197?

Шад
11-21-2014, 07:50 PM
Шад,
I saw that FTDNA has YP1003, YP1004, and YP1010 available to order. So I decided to order the YP1010 for my brother. If he is positive he should be positive for YP1003. If he is negative, I will then check the YP1003 to make sure.

Has any ages of these new branches been determined yet? I find it interesting that Q-YP1004, Q-Y2750, and Q-2780 all have SNP Q-2197 in common, but Q-YP1003 does not. http://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2197/ Is Q-YP1003 older than or around the same age as Q-2197?

Exactly. You did the right thing, as:

Y2200
.... Y2197
....... Y2746, Y2750, Y2751, Y3026, Y3027, Y3028, Y3029, Y3030, YP1072/FGC4849
....... Y2780, Y2754, Y2781, FGC1898
....... YP1004, YP1005, YP1006, YP1007
.... YP1003
....... YP1008, YP1009, YP1010, YP1011
....... YP1035, YP1036

Шад
11-21-2014, 07:53 PM
Шад,
I saw that FTDNA has YP1003, YP1004, and YP1010 available to order. So I decided to order the YP1010 for my brother. If he is positive he should be positive for YP1003. If he is negative, I will then check the YP1003 to make sure.

Has any ages of these new branches been determined yet? I find it interesting that Q-YP1004, Q-Y2750, and Q-2780 all have SNP Q-2197 in common, but Q-YP1003 does not. http://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y2197/ Is Q-YP1003 older than or around the same age as Q-2197?

Regarding the age of the individual subclades I will post your opinion in the near future.
I have a view, but I want to have complete confidence before I will speak on this issue.

Táltos
11-22-2014, 03:28 AM
Regarding the age of the individual subclades I will post your opinion in the near future.
I have a view, but I want to have complete confidence before I will speak on this issue.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to that. :)

Táltos
01-03-2015, 09:25 PM
My brother's YP1010 result just came in today. It was negative. :( Well I will soon be ordering the YP1003. If that's negative I think I quit!

My contact in Lithuania who has so generously found records on my direct paternal line, has been able to confirm for me that this line was not Jewish according to records up to 1782 for sure. Possibly even 1724. Ogorki was the right village. :)

Táltos
01-13-2015, 03:21 AM
Шад,
I ordered the YP1003 for my brother. My fingers are crossed that this is positive. If it's not, I really don't know what to think with this SNP vs STR business! I also wrote to all my brother's closest matches to let them know about using the code 15for15 to get an SNP for just $24. Hopefully one of them will order.

And if there are any other Q1b lurking in here I hope they take advantage of the coupon for an SNP too! Besides the YP1003,YP1010, YP1004, I can also see the YP740 is available. I'm not sure if there are anymore of the newer ones? Maybe for Q1a too besides Q1b?

Шад
01-17-2015, 09:27 AM
Шад,
I ordered the YP1003 for my brother. My fingers are crossed that this is positive. If it's not, I really don't know what to think with this SNP vs STR business! I also wrote to all my brother's closest matches to let them know about using the code 15for15 to get an SNP for just $24. Hopefully one of them will order.

And if there are any other Q1b lurking in here I hope they take advantage of the coupon for an SNP too! Besides the YP1003,YP1010, YP1004, I can also see the YP740 is available. I'm not sure if there are anymore of the newer ones? Maybe for Q1a too besides Q1b?

Q-Y2220
... Q-YP745
... Q-Y2209
...... Q-Y2225
......... Q-Y2200
...... Q-YP740


Q-Y2200
.... Q-Y2197
...... Q-Y2150
...... Q-Y2750
...... Q-Y2780
...... Q-YP1004
.... Q-YP1003
...... Q-YP1010
......... Q-YP1009
...... Q-YP1035
.... Q-YP1003

Táltos
01-17-2015, 07:42 PM
Q-Y2220
... Q-YP745
... Q-Y2209
...... Q-Y2225
......... Q-Y2200
...... Q-YP740


Q-Y2200
.... Q-Y2197
...... Q-Y2150
...... Q-Y2750
...... Q-Y2780
...... Q-YP1004
.... Q-YP1003
...... Q-YP1010
......... Q-YP1009
...... Q-YP1035
.... Q-YP1003

Thank you. I can now see that they have Y2200 in the advanced SNP order form.

Táltos
01-18-2015, 03:37 PM
Q-Y2220
... Q-YP745
... Q-Y2209
...... Q-Y2225
......... Q-Y2200
...... Q-YP740


Q-Y2200
.... Q-Y2197
...... Q-Y2150
...... Q-Y2750
...... Q-Y2780
...... Q-YP1004
.... Q-YP1003
...... Q-YP1010
......... Q-YP1009
...... Q-YP1035
.... Q-YP1003

Okay I really didn't have time to check all these yesterday. I only looked at the Y2200 as it had my attention because you put it in red. Though I realize why you did that. Very nice that so many new SNPs are available now! No longer just the L275, M378, and L245 for us.

Every SNP that you have in this new listing is available in the FTDNA advanced SNP order, EXCEPT for (YP745, YP1035, and Y2150).

If my brother is negative for the YP1003, I'm going to be very surprised. I'm still sort of surprised that he wasn't positive for the other one. Well, I guess the Y2200 will really be my last stop on the ŕ la carte SNP train if he's negative for that.

Táltos
02-26-2015, 04:08 AM
My brother's SNP results are in. YP1003+ B)

Táltos
03-31-2015, 02:43 AM
Clarification of Y-DNA Haplogroup Q1b Phylogenetic Structure Based on Y-Chromosome Full Sequencing
Vladimir Gurianov, Dmitry Adamov, Vladimir Tagankin, Leon Kull

The recent growth of the Y-chromosome full sequencing data sets made it possible to arrange a full-scale update of Q1b haplogroup phylogenetic structure (Q-L275). The article contains a detailed description of Q-Y2200 and Q-YP745 branches as well as a number of other subclades downstream to Q-L275 including their dating as per the method described in the article of Adamov et al. 2015. We also made an effort of inter-discipline review of data from the field of population genetics, archaeology, and comparative linguistics; formalized major problems arisen upon delivering this analysis, and offered a few hypotheses on migration paths of the groups comprising representatives of different Q1b subclades.
http://rjgg.molgen.org/index.php/RJGGRE/article/view/153

Táltos
04-15-2015, 02:14 PM
My brother came back negative for YP1036 today. I figured he would. So near as I can tell my brother and one other man (who had taken the Big Y) are only positive for YP1003. He and my brother match at the 12 marker level. After that they no longer match.