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Claudio
07-02-2017, 10:21 AM
So I noticed Living DNA have gone Four more than FTDNA and divide there West Asian into:
North Turkish.
South Turkish.
Kurdish.
Armenian/Cypriot.
Levantine.
Iranian.
Arabian.
As most companies seem to be lacking in attempting to divide up West Asia,it would seem good in theory for people with West Asian ancestry 🤔
What are your experiences and/or opinions of this West Asian grouping system? And your assigned results ? 🤔

Lupus82
01-24-2018, 10:57 PM
Bump!

Araz95
01-25-2018, 10:33 AM
Got LivingDNA for my dad, he is Azerbaijani from Iran with some interesting family history. It would be nice to be able to see if this could differentiate between those populations.

jshook
01-25-2018, 06:04 PM
Interested to see what people are getting too. I'm 1/4th East Asian (Japanese) but I oddly get an unexplainable 1% North Turkish result.

Robert1
01-25-2018, 06:22 PM
I've tested my two sisters, Mother, paternal aunt and myself at Living DNA. We're NW European but one sister got 1.4% Kurdish while no one else did. My paternal aunt was the only one to get significant Southern Europe, 5% Tuscany, so I wonder if these results are related as it's extremely difficult to break down the Mediterranean area. Other ethnicity tests seem to throw out traces like Asia Minor, etc. I hope Living DNA can reliably break down West Asia/Mediterranean but think it's too big a challenge at this time.

Edit: adding our results for illustration, sorted generally from North to South.

Living DNA Complete Mode
----------------------------- Mother ----- Alice --------- Bob ------- Monica ---- Father's Sister
Europe -------------------- 100.0% ----100.0% ----- 100.0% ------ 98.6% ----- 100.0%
Great Britain and Ireland -- 98.2% ---- 93.0% ------ 98.7% ------ 96.4% ------ 89.5%
Orkney ----------------------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------- 1.8% ------- 0.0%
Northwest Scotland -------- 13.4% ----- 20.6% ----- 20.8% ------ 13.8% ------ 13.7%
Aberdeenshire -------------- 11.5% ------ 0.0% ------- 6.9% ------- 1.3% ------- 2.5%
SW Scotland/North Ireland - 0.0% ------ 1.1% ------- 1.3% ------- 1.8% ------- 0.0%
Ireland ----------------------- 6.5% ------ 0.0% ------- 6.1% ------- 5.0% ------- 0.0%
Northumbria ----------------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% ------- 3.9% ------- 6.2% ------- 0.0%
Cumbria ---------------------- 8.4% ------ 1.3% ------- 0.0% ------- 2.3% ------- 1.2%
Northwest England ---------- 0.0% ------ 6.1% ------ 10.0% ------- 0.0% ------- 5.8%
North Yorkshire -------------- 1.5% ------ 10.4% ------ 5.5% ------- 11.8% ------ 2.3%
South Yorkshire -------------- 2.9% ------- 3.3% ------ 4.7% -------- 5.9% ------ 7.2%
Lincolnshire ------------------ 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 0.0% -------- 0.0% ----- 18.8%
East Anglia ------------------- 3.3% ------- 1.8% ------ 0.0% -------- 3.7% ------- 1.1%
North Wales ------------------ 1.9% ------- 2.0% ------ 2.9% -------- 1.4% ------ 4.3%
South Wales ----------------- 20.5% ------ 5.4% ------ 9.0% ------- 10.3% ------ 3.9%
South Wales Border ---------- 4.8% ------- 7.5% ------ 0.0% ------- 18.5% ------ 1.7%
South Central England ------- 12.2% ----- 12.7% ------ 1.7% -------- 2.7% ------ 1.1%
Devon -------------------------- 2.2% ------- 8.6% ------ 1.3% ------- 1.3% ------- 1.1%
Cornwall ----------------------- 4.5% ------- 2.4% ------ 2.7% -------- 0.0% ------- 5.3%
South England ----------------- 0.0% ------- 1.1% ------ 0.0% ------- 2.6% ------ 13.4%
Southeast England ------------ 4.5% ------- 8.3% ------ 21.8% ------- 6.0% ------ 6.0%
Europe West ------------------- 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 0.0%
Scandinavia ------------------- 1.8% -------- 7.0% ------- 1.3% ------- 2.2% ------ 5.4%
Europe South/Tuscany -------- 0.0% -------- 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------- 0.0% ------ 5.0%
Near East/Kurdish ------------- 0.0% -------- 0.0% ------- 0.0% --------1.4% ------ 0.0%

Nive1526
01-25-2018, 06:29 PM
Interested to see what people are getting too. I'm 1/4th East Asian (Japanese) but I oddly get an unexplainable 1% North Turkish result.

This is most likely from your European side. The test sometimes assigns small percentages of Western Asian populations to fully European persons.

jshook
01-25-2018, 08:26 PM
This is most likely from your European side. The test sometimes assigns small percentages of Western Asian populations to fully European persons.

Makes sense. But with every other testing company, they tend to put that 1% somewhere in the -stan countries of Central Asia. I feel most likely like it's not super distinct and they're just guessing.

greerpalmer
01-26-2018, 07:50 PM
I feel you there. I was getting "north african" or "middle eastern" percentages from tests which makes sense from a genetic similar piece on a very high level. Newer tests are registering me with "Caucasus," "Pashtun" and "Central Asia" which seem significantly more difficult to mistake as "north african" which I always interpreted as "Mediterranean"

Lupus82
01-26-2018, 08:57 PM
Got LivingDNA for my dad, he is Azerbaijani from Iran with some interesting family history. It would be nice to be able to see if this could differentiate between those populations.

Can you post his results? Thanks

Araz95
01-28-2018, 06:52 PM
Can you post his results? Thanks

Havn't recieved them yet, will let you know when we have.

Araz95
02-18-2018, 12:52 PM
Can you post his results? Thanks

Hi,
got my fathers results this morning, here are the result!
https://imgur.com/a/T1utb

Interesting results indeed!

Just for some background information, my father is Azerbaijani from Iran, but not from the de facto Iranian Azerbaijan.

kingjohn
02-18-2018, 04:38 PM
Hi,
got my fathers results this morning, here are the result!
https://imgur.com/a/T1utb

Interesting results indeed!

Just for some background information, my father is Azerbaijani from Iran, but not from the de facto Iranian Azerbaijan.

thanks for sharing
very cool results :)
how much time did you wait for results from the moment it reached there lab ?
{i am asking because i ordered a kit and wonder how much time it take till we see results in case there is no swab problem }?
kind regards
adam

Lupus82
02-18-2018, 09:25 PM
Hi,
got my fathers results this morning, here are the result!
https://imgur.com/a/T1utb

Interesting results indeed!

Just for some background information, my father is Azerbaijani from Iran, but not from the de facto Iranian Azerbaijan.

Yes, indeed very interesting. Your father's mtDNA is the same as that of my cousin's mother. Her mtDNA is J1b1, too.

R-Z93.. Apparently, your father is a direct descendant of the Iranic tribes who migrated into the Iranian plateau and established Persia as a civilization. Perhaps a Median male?

Lack of Siberian/Asian is interesting. Azerbaijanis should have some Siberian blood. Something might be wrong there.


Congrats.

EDIT: Sorry, in the "Complete" tab, it is indicated that you have East Asian component.

Araz95
02-20-2018, 08:15 AM
thanks for sharing
very cool results :)
how much time did you wait for results from the moment it reached there lab ?
{i am asking because i ordered a kit and wonder how much time it take till we see results in case there is no swab problem }?
kind regards
adam
Hi adam, I think I waiting something little more than a month. It arrived 5-Jan (prelim time for completion was 5-Apr), but it was completed 17-feb - so alot ahead of time! I think this is the general trend among the people I've seen ordering!



Yes, indeed very interesting. Your father's mtDNA is the same as that of my cousin's mother. Her mtDNA is J1b1, too.

R-Z93.. Apparently, your father is a direct descendant of the Iranic tribes who migrated into the Iranian plateau and established Persia as a civilization. Perhaps a Median male?

Lack of Siberian/Asian is interesting. Azerbaijanis should have some Siberian blood. Something might be wrong there.


Congrats.

EDIT: Sorry, in the "Complete" tab, it is indicated that you have East Asian component.

Hi Lupus,
what subclade did your cousin get? As I have understood it J1b1a3 is a very rare subclade, even amongs europeans which have the highest frequency of ths particular haplotype (max 5% freq). In fact, because it is quite rare I'm having a hard time finding information regarding it. The only thing I've mananged to find is a page suggesting the origin of the subclade to be around modern day Italy - which could be possible with fathers 30% italian ancestry. But I'm quite unsure regarding anything J1b1a3, but I have contacted LivingDNA to see if they can help me with this.

Regarding the R-Z93 Haplogroup, yes it does seems to be indicating that his paternal-linage were one of the original inhabitants of Medes and later on Atropatene, and then on to Azerbaijan.

Regarding the Siberian component, he does get some, but it is on complete mode, which is a bit inaccurate at times. But I do think that it is leaning towards siberian yeah.

Have you taked the test?

Lupus82
02-20-2018, 08:42 AM
Hi adam, I think I waiting something little more than a month. It arrived 5-Jan (prelim time for completion was 5-Apr), but it was completed 17-feb - so alot ahead of time! I think this is the general trend among the people I've seen ordering!




Hi Lupus,
what subclade did your cousin get? As I have understood it J1b1a3 is a very rare subclade, even amongs europeans which have the highest frequency of ths particular haplotype (max 5% freq). In fact, because it is quite rare I'm having a hard time finding information regarding it. The only thing I've mananged to find is a page suggesting the origin of the subclade to be around modern day Italy - which could be possible with fathers 30% italian ancestry. But I'm quite unsure regarding anything J1b1a3, but I have contacted LivingDNA to see if they can help me with this.

Regarding the R-Z93 Haplogroup, yes it does seems to be indicating that his paternal-linage were one of the original inhabitants of Medes and later on Atropatene, and then on to Azerbaijan.

Regarding the Siberian component, he does get some, but it is on complete mode, which is a bit inaccurate at times. But I do think that it is leaning towards siberian yeah.

Have you taked the test?

Hi

He did not get assigned any subclade further down. Just we know that her mother is J1b1. According to eupedia J1b1 spread around the world by Indo-European invasions.

I think it is wrong to attribute your father's 30% Italian component to your father's mtDNA. It might be due to the Neolithic migrations from Near East towards Europe, unless you have recent European ancestor among your bloodline.

I have not taken the LivingDNA test. I did take the 23andme test. Nonetheless LivingDNA's ancestry/ethnicity breakdown is more satisfactory. It is good to see a West Asian to post his LivingDNA results. I have not seen any West Asian taking Living DNA test on this board.

Have you uploaded your raw data onto Gedmatch? If you did, would you post your Eurogenes K36 and PuntDNAL K13 global?

Thanks

Araz95
02-20-2018, 11:41 AM
Hi

He did not get assigned any subclade further down. Just we know that her mother is J1b1. According to eupedia J1b1 spread around the world by Indo-European invasions.

I think it is wrong to attribute your father's 30% Italian component to your father's mtDNA. It might be due to the Neolithic migrations from Near East towards Europe, unless you have recent European ancestor among your bloodline.

I have not taken the LivingDNA test. I did take the 23andme test. Nonetheless LivingDNA's ancestry/ethnicity breakdown is more satisfactory. It is good to see a West Asian to post his LivingDNA results. I have not seen any West Asian taking Living DNA test on this board.

Have you uploaded your raw data onto Gedmatch? If you did, would you post your Eurogenes K36 and PuntDNAL K13 global?

Thanks

Hi, I think that some of the spread of the J1b1 differentiated into subclades that then returned to near east with the migration through anatolia, probably with either the crusades or the roman empire - not sure on this one though as I cant find reliable information regarding the remaining subclades.

It can, but honestly, my fathers mother's linage doens't go back that far in the region as theyare believed to be migrants from western anatolia and only settled there during the second or first ottoman-safavid wars. It's believed that most of my fathers village is migrant from those times.

Gedmatch is currently not very reliable, in my opinion, for LivingDNA raw data as compared with eg. My Heritage, 23andme, FtDNA or ancestryDNA, wich is anaylyzing more than 3 times the SNP's. Right now, I would suggest limiting oneself to livingDNA's own database, unless something changes in the near future, as in, the calculators are updated. I for one, have had alot of problems with GedMatch in the past in this regard.