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Dibran
07-06-2017, 10:58 AM
Ok I am a little disapointed at the ancestry segment. I was supposed to receive results on August 3rd(so thank you livingDNA for early arrival). However I have NO regionalization. Is this common when results are first posted early on? They Literally have me as 97 percent european with NO regionalization. What gives!?!?!

Additionally my Ydna results were R1a-Z283. I am not sure who its linked with as far as classical era. It belongs to Kurgans does it not?

My mtDNA is less specific than 23andme. They just have me at H. The ancestry section seems bugged to me. I cant click it to individually examine regions.

ollie444
07-06-2017, 11:02 AM
Ok I am a little disapointed at the ancestry segment. I was supposed to receive results on August 3rd(so thank you livingDNA for early arrival). However I have NO regionalization. Is this common when results are first posted early on? They Literally have me as 97 percent european with NO regionalization. What gives!?!?!

Additionally my Ydna results were R1a-Z283. I am not sure who its linked with as far as classical era. It belongs to Kurgans does it not?

My mtDNA is less specific than 23andme. They just have me at H. The ancestry section seems bugged to me. I cant click it to individually examine regions.

if you hit the plus bar maybe? 17394

Both my kits mtdna were a little disappointing. Autosomal seems to be the area where Living DNA excels.

Dibran
07-06-2017, 11:11 AM
if you hit the plus bar maybe? 17394

Both my kits mtdna were a little disappointing. Autosomal seems to be the area where Living DNA excels.

I dont have that option to regionalize. It only tells me 97 percent European. this is ridiculous if they havent defined it any further??

Dibran
07-06-2017, 11:12 AM
the raw data file is also too small!!!!! =(

Dibran
07-06-2017, 11:13 AM
nevermind doh. lol i found it. posting mine shortly.

ollie444
07-06-2017, 11:14 AM
the raw data file is also too small!!!!! =(

Livingdna are aware of the file issues, hopefully these will be resolved soon. Looking forward to seeing your results.

Dibran
07-06-2017, 11:23 AM
if you hit the plus bar maybe? 17394

Both my kits mtdna were a little disappointing. Autosomal seems to be the area where Living DNA excels.

General:

17395

Complete:

17396

Standard:

17397

Cautious:

17398

Dibran
07-06-2017, 11:27 AM
As soon as I get home from work I will start posting the through history sections.

07-06-2017, 12:11 PM
Additionally my Ydna results were R1a-Z283. I am not sure who its linked with as far as classical era. It belongs to Kurgans does it not?



Yes that's the same YDNA is what I got, its still on the backbone of the tree,, unfortunately, I asked if they could refine it further, but they said they would not, I have gone to ftDNA to refine this further with their Y37 Markers.
17404

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 12:28 PM
dibran looks good :)
what are your thought about it
i mean the autosomal report not the y and mtdna parts
regards
adam

Dibran
07-06-2017, 02:53 PM
Yes that's the same YDNA is what I got, its still on the backbone of the tree,, unfortunately, I asked if they could refine it further, but they said they would not, I have gone to ftDNA to refine this further with their Y37 Markers.
17404

As far as I understand it, LivingDNA tests the downstream clades as well. Chances are you tested negative for them.

Xtian
07-06-2017, 02:56 PM
Im Russian and I get as much Italian as you.

Interesting, I wonder why.

07-06-2017, 03:11 PM
As far as I understand it, LivingDNA tests the downstream clades as well. Chances are you tested negative for them.

Well, once I get my ftdna results, I shall let you know, but I know some with our YDNA who got our result R-Z283, and they have tested with ftdna and are downstream of R-Z284.

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 05:49 PM
As soon as I get home from work I will start posting the through history sections.

it correlated pretty well with my heritage :)
aegean living dna -greek in my heritage
italian living dna{ most of your italian are north italy + tuscany} - italian my heritage {more than likely they used tuscany and bergamo north italy}
your balkan in living dna { west balkan}- balkan in my heritage

Dorkymon
07-06-2017, 06:07 PM
Ok I am a little disapointed at the ancestry segment. I was supposed to receive results on August 3rd(so thank you livingDNA for early arrival). However I have NO regionalization. Is this common when results are first posted early on? They Literally have me as 97 percent european with NO regionalization. What gives!?!?!

Additionally my Ydna results were R1a-Z283. I am not sure who its linked with as far as classical era. It belongs to Kurgans does it not?

My mtDNA is less specific than 23andme. They just have me at H. The ancestry section seems bugged to me. I cant click it to individually examine regions.

Last time I checked, Living DNA's focus was on the British Isles.

If someone has got the majority of the ancestry from outside of this region then disappointments should be expected. Just look at your breakdown, apart from "Aegean" and "West Balkans" it doesn't make much sense provided that you are fully Albanian.

P.S.: That being said, I have ordered a kit as well.

Dibran
07-06-2017, 06:29 PM
Last time I checked, Living DNA's focus was on the British Isles.

If someone has got the majority of the ancestry from outside of this region then disappointments should be expected. Just look at your breakdown, apart from "Aegean" and "West Balkans" it doesn't make much sense provided that you are fully Albanian.

P.S.: That being said, I have ordered a kit as well.

Actually with exception of the British result and minimal Scandinavian, my results are mostly correct. Compared to other calculators.

It's picking up most of the same signatures.

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 06:31 PM
dna tribes gave you 4% northwest eurpean signitures
close to the 6% british here ......

Dibran
07-06-2017, 06:33 PM
dna tribes gave you 4% northwest eurpean signitures
close to the 6% british here ......

Isn't DNA tribes supposed to be ancient though?

I do get .3 of it on 23andme. But it's obviously a third of a percent on there. I did hear 23andme underestimates some signatures.

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 06:41 PM
living dna northwest european is more close to reality
than the 0.3% 23and me gave you .....
look at your eurogenes k36
if you score north atlantic and north sea than it is the real deal........


p.s
yes dna tribes supose to be ancient don't know how far back
but if you share signitures there was probably genflow in the past

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 07:53 PM
the 2.1% sindh is very intresting B)

Dibran
07-06-2017, 09:04 PM
Uploaded the wrong one for cautious. Here we go.

17413

Migration through history:

Age of Discovery:

17414

The Medieval Ages:

17415

The Great Migration:

17416

The Iron Age:

17417

to be continued....

Dibran
07-06-2017, 09:05 PM
Uploaded the wrong one for cautious. Here we go.

17413

Migration through history:

Age of Discovery:

17414

The Medieval Ages:

17415

The Great Migration:

17416

The Iron Age:

17417

to be continued....

The Bronze Age:

17418

Early Indo-Europeans:

17419

sktibo
07-06-2017, 09:24 PM
It looks like living DNA's test did quite a good job on your DNA Dibran. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that

Dibran
07-06-2017, 09:42 PM
It looks like living DNA's test did quite a good job on your DNA Dibran. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that

Thank you!

It is mostly consistent give or take. The only thing out of place is south asian/pashtun. lol

Mike_G
07-06-2017, 09:55 PM
Thank you!

It is mostly consistent give or take. The only thing out of place is south asian/pashtun. lol

Had it been 1.4% you'd have been a member of an ever-expanding club, right Sktibo?

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 09:58 PM
2.1% Aryan lol ;)
this the real thing
best regards
adam

Dibran
07-06-2017, 10:10 PM
2.1% Aryan lol ;)
this the real thing
best regards
adam

Does LivingDNA test downstream of Z283? I would presume so. as Its not really SNP testing. As I understand it their basic haplo assignments are at least specific enough in this regard.

I wonder if that means I was negative for downstream clades? I am doing FGC Yelite now, so I am sure i will have that eventually.

kingjohn
07-06-2017, 10:18 PM
i meant autosomaly speaking {the 2.1% sindhi}
in your case you connected also in the y haplogroup
the Aryan tribes who came from the north and steppe to india probably belonged
to y haplogroup r1a-z93
i am no expert on this you should ask davidski from eurogenes blog.

p.s
i think those tribes by the time they arrived to india they were south asian autosomally speaking
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

deadly77
07-06-2017, 10:31 PM
Does LivingDNA test downstream of Z283? I would presume so. as Its not really SNP testing. As I understand it their basic haplo assignments are at least specific enough in this regard.

I wonder if that means I was negative for downstream clades? I am doing FGC Yelite now, so I am sure i will have that eventually.

LivingDNA's fatherline/Y is SNP testing but it is chip based. There's a limited amount of SNPs that they test. It's not clear right now exactly what SNPs they do test because the raw data only lists positive results, not negatives. If we had the latter, we would have a better idea of the coverage of their chip. I think it's more likely that your Y-haplogroup assignment is as far as LivingDNA go unless they redesign their chip in the future. However, a few forum members have had erroneous results on the Y-test from LivingDNA, so check back every so often to see if it changes.

The FGC YElite that you've ordered is a much more comprehensive YDNA test that uses next generation sequencing. That will fill all of the downstream SNPs that LivingDNA don't test, plus provide you with novel SNP variants after the known haplotree comes to an end, so you'll have your answers then.

Dibran
07-06-2017, 10:39 PM
LivingDNA's fatherline/Y is SNP testing but it is chip based. There's a limited amount of SNPs that they test. It's not clear right now exactly what SNPs they do test because the raw data only lists positive results, not negatives. If we had the latter, we would have a better idea of the coverage of their chip. I think it's more likely that your Y-haplogroup assignment is as far as LivingDNA go unless they redesign their chip in the future. However, a few forum members have had erroneous results on the Y-test from LivingDNA, so check back every so often to see if it changes.

The FGC YElite that you've ordered is a much more comprehensive YDNA test that uses next generation sequencing. That will fill all of the downstream SNPs that LivingDNA don't test, plus provide you with novel SNP variants after the known haplotree comes to an end, so you'll have your answers then.

Via Email they gave the vague notion they do test downstream, yet very specific with their choice of words. I did notice it only shows positive SNPs. Shouldnt be too long for FGC. probably 3 to 4 more months.

deadly77
07-07-2017, 08:34 AM
Via Email they gave the vague notion they do test downstream, yet very specific with their choice of words. I did notice it only shows positive SNPs. Shouldnt be too long for FGC. probably 3 to 4 more months.

According to Eupedia, LivingDNA tests 22,500 SNPs http://www.eupedia.com/europe/dna_project_faq.shtml#Y-DNA_mtDNA and given that there were ~55,000 known Y-SNPs as of this ISOGG article (and probably a lot more now) https://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart then at some point they were going to have to pick and choose between how far downstream the chip will cover for each haplogroup. I imagine (it's difficult to say without enough raw data to look at) that they would have hedged their bets on the more common haplogroups in the British Isles - R1b and I1 - for the most downstream coverage.

Still, it gives the most coverage of any Y-SNP chip test on the market - 23andme's chip analyzes 2,329 SNPs while Ancestry's chip analyzes 885 (but doesn't report so you have to dig them out of the raw data).

The FGC YElite will give you a much more comprehensive Y-chromosome analysis (and that's why it's considerably more expensive than LivingDNA). However, based on my own experience, I think that you will be waiting longer than 3-4 months. I ordered mine in December of last year and still waiting. Being patient - still think it's the best Y-test and analysis around and worth the time and the money so still happy with the choice I made.

lukaszM
07-07-2017, 08:36 AM
Via Email they gave the vague notion they do test downstream, yet very specific with their choice of words. I did notice it only shows positive SNPs. Shouldnt be too long for FGC. probably 3 to 4 more months.

Do you have snps for your Y-DNA provided? Tried haplo-predictor? http://www.nevgen.org/

07-07-2017, 09:03 AM
Do you have snps for your Y-DNA provided? Tried haplo-predictor? http://www.nevgen.org/

lukaszM,

We are able to download the YDNA from LDNA,
e.g - but nobody has an idea how to then I/P this into nevgen?

B66/Z16458
CTS10083
CTS10168/M1149
CTS10271/V4042
CTS10362/M5770
CTS10442
CTS10540
CTS10663/M788
CTS1068/PF4508
CTS10720
CTS109/M8948
CTS10946/M5804
CTS11741/PF4847
CTS12028/M1272/PF5977
CTS1217/M5597
CTS125/M5576
CTS12632/M3771/PF2775
CTS1384
CTS1678/M2024
CTS196/PF5845
CTS1996/M5651
CTS2077/M5653
CTS2229/PF6254
CTS2254/M3680/PF2657
CTS2908/M666/PF6123
CTS3123/M670
CTS3135/M1206/PF5898
CTS3229/M672/PF6036/YSC0001265
CTS3358/M1210/PF5900
CTS3431/M5669
CTS3460/M5670
CTS3536/M3688/PF2666
CTS3654/M3689/PF2667
CTS3818/M3690/PF2668
CTS4032
CTS423/M5583
CTS4364/M5679
CTS4368/L1028/M5680
CTS4443/M3696/PF2677
CTS445
CTS4740/M5684
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CTS5318/M5690
CTS5368/Z2215
CTS5418/M1222/PF5912
CTS543/M5584
CTS5532/M5694
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CTS5808/M1226/PF5915
CTS5815/M696
CTS5884/M1228/PF5917
CTS6135/M3708/PF2693
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CTS6378
CTS6383/M5707
CTS6800/M5713
CTS6907/M5715
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CTS7738/PF4568
CTS7922/M5727
CTS7933/M5728
CTS8148
CTS8243/M5736
CTS852/CTS852.2/PF4504/PF4504.2
CTS8542/M5743
CTS8626/M1239/PF5934
CTS8974/PF4578
CTS9005/M741
CTS9458/M5753
CTS9556/M5758
CTS9679
CTS9722/M5762
CTS9828/M5764
F102/M625/PF6116
F1046/M3646/PF2610/YSC0001295
F115/M1189/PF5870
F1167/PF4516/YSC0001296
F1209/M3654/YSC0001297
F1276
F1320/M3657/PF2621
F1329/F1329/M3658/M3658/PF2622/PF2622/YSC0001299/YSC0001299
F1381/PF4520
F1386
F1539/F1539
F1548/Z1594
F1704/M3675/PF2651
F1714/F1714/M3677/PF2653/PF2653
F1727
F1753/M3681/PF2658
F1767/M3683/PF2660
F1857/P337/PF5901/Page83
F2048/M3701/PF2683/V3268
F2075/PF2685
F2142/PF2688
F2155/M3704/PF2690
F2174/PF4558/YSC0001305
F2179
F2211
F2402/M3714/PF2700
F2497
F2587/M3719/PF2709/YSC0001308
F2688/M3722/PF2716
F2837/M3726/PF2722
F2869/V3554
F29/L821/M5579/PF5857
F295/M685
F2993/M3737/PF2732/V3940
F3008/M1441
F3111/M3740/PF2736
F313/M1219
F3136/M3741/PF2737
F33/M603/PF6013
F3319
F332/M1224/PF5914
F3335/M3754/PF2758
F3358/PF4611/YSC0001316
F3424/M1489
F344/M1227/PF5916
F3484.2
F356/M703/PF5919
F359/M1229/PF5920
F3689/M2682/PF3495/Y2571
F3692/M3650
F370/M708/Y479
F3712
F380/M1757/S27659
F4/M1183/PF5991
F4233/M1404
F459/Y482
F47/M607/Y472
F506/M1243/PF5940
F524/M1248/PF5945
F536/M1251/PF5949
F63/M614/PF6016
F640/M1271/PF5975
F671/M1274/PF5981
F709
F719/IMS-JST00305/M3636/S8235
F83/M1185/PF5861
F847
F91/PF5862/V231
F929/M578/PF3494/S6378
F93/M621/PF6114
F932/M1290
FGC12615/Y8763
FGC18149/Y11803
FGC2152/V2435/Y6741
FGC29897/Y9320/Z23673
FGC33852/Y1537
IMS-JST022456
IMS-JST022457
L1009
L1013
L1053
L1061/PF1101
L1062/PF302
L1071/M8945
L120/M516/PF6236
L122/M448/PF6237
L1220/M9212
L132.1
L1347/M792/PF6077/YSC0000233
L145/M449/PF6175
L15/M523/PF3492/S137
L16/M522/PF3493/S138
L438
L440
L457/PF6191
L58
L604/PF1243
L62/M513/PF6200
L63/M511/PF6203
L726
L741/PF5960/YSC0000297
L747/M702/PF5918/YSC0000287
L768/PF5976/YSC0000274
L779/PF5907/YSC0000251
L82/PF5972
L875/M706/PF6131/YSC0000288
L882/M3749/PF2745
L962
L969
L970/PF1065
L989
M1109
M1160/PF5958
M11760
M1186/PF5864
M1187/PF5865
M1188/PF5869
M1190/PF5871
M1192/PF5872
M1199/PF5886
M1216/PF5908
M1221/P331/PF5911
M1240/PF5936
M1259/PF5956
M1260/PF5957
M1263/PF5964
M1264
M1265/PF5965
M153
M168/PF1416
M173/P241/Page29
M207/Page37/UTY2
M213/P137/PF2673/Page38
M2398
M251/M9122
M2684/PF3497/YSC0001319
M2696/PF3500
M294
M299
M306/PF6147/S1
M31
M3637/PF2589/V186
M3638/PF2590/V205
M3639/PF2591
M3652/PF2615
M3750/PF2747
M3751/PF2748
M3752/PF2749
M417
M45/PF5962
M459/PF6235
M512/PF6239
M515
M5432/PF1577
M5590
M5591/PF223
M5599/PF234
M5601
M5603/PF1415/V226
M5607
M5609
M5610
M5613
M5616/PF272
M5625
M5627
M5629
M5631/PF292
M5632
M5636
M5642
M5649
M5650
M5675/PF719
M5682
M5691/PF779
M5695/PF1417/V41
M5698/PF796
M5708
M5709
M5711/PF821
M5716/PF840
M5721/PF1418/V52
M5726
M5737/PF892
M5738
M5747
M5751/PF937
M5754
M5756/PF951
M5760
M5777
M5778/PF1031
M5781/PF1040
M5783
M5788
M5800/PF1203
M5819
M5821
M5822
M5825
M734/PF6057/S4/YSC0000201
M760/Y506
M764/PF5953
M799
M89/PF2746
M8947
M8951
M8953/PF1405/V216
M8954
M8959
M8961
M8967
M8968
M8969/PF1407/V21
M8970
M8972
M8976
M8977
M8980
M8983
M8986
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M8997
M8999
M9/PF5506
M9001
M9003
M9008
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M9017
M9019
M9020
M9025
M9026
M9028
M9032
M9042
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M9064
M9076
M9079
M9081
M9089
M9094
M9099
M9100
M9110
M9114
M9115
M9117
M9118/Page81
M9121
M9124
M9126
M9128
M9129
M9135
M9136
M9142
M9143
M9146
M9148
M9166
M9169
M9174/S1572
M9176
M9182
M9187
M9188
M9189
M9194.3
M9196
M9199
M9200
M9210
M9214
M9215
M9219
M9223
M9226
M9227
M9231
M9235
M9237
M9238
M9239
M9242
M9244
M9245
M9252
M9253
M9254
M9255
M9257
M9261
M9265
M9267
M9277
M9278/PF969
M9283
M9285
M9288/PF985
M9289
M9291
M9292
M9295
M9298/Z12093
M9300
M9303
M9316/PF1034
M9317
M9318
M9321
M9322
M9326
M9327
M9328/PF1053
M9331
M9334
M9335
M9336/Page26
M9338
M9341
M9346
M9348
M9349
M9352
M9356
M9357
M9359
M9360
M9362
M9365
M9366
M9376
M9378
M9380
M9389
M9393
M9394
M94
M9406
P128/PF5504
P131/PF5493
P132/PF5480
P135/PF2741
P136/PF2762
P138/PF2655
P139
P14/PF2704
P140
P141/PF2602
P143/PF2587
P145/PF2617
P148/PF2734
P149
P151/PF2625
P157
P158/PF2706
P159/PF2717
P160/PF2618
P163
P166/PF2702
P202
P224/PF6050
P225
P226/PF5879
P228/PF5927
P229/PF6019
P230/PF5925
P232
P233
P235/PF5946
P236
P237/PF5873
P238/PF6115
P239/PF5930
P242/PF6113
P243/PF5874
P244/PF5896
P245/PF6117
P280
P281/PF5941
P282/PF5932
P283/PF5966
P284
P285
P286/PF6136
P295/PF5866/S8
PF1016
PF1096
PF1403/V187
PF1411/V59
PF2608
PF4598
PF4832/Z2381
PF4843/Z2324
PF5982
PF6217/S339/Z283
PF6234/Page65.2/SRY10831.2/SRY1532.2
PF6250
PF713
PF970
Page7
S224/Z645
S441/Z647
S484/Z48
V234
V237
V32
V6
Y1049
Y1112
Y11799/Z29158
Y12093/Z29160
Y1293
Z11891
Z11895
Z11900
Z11902
Z11907
Z11910
Z11914
Z11915
Z1421
Z14416
Z17373
Z1759
Z17894
Z17896
Z17900
Z18049.2
Z22125
Z22244
Z3724
Z3962
Z40386
Z40387
Z40389
Z40392
Z40393
Z40394
Z40395
Z41341
Z4145/Z4147

deadly77
07-07-2017, 09:07 AM
It looks like Nevgen's main purpose is to convert Y-STR results into an SNP subclade prediction - and it's a great tool. I can't find a way to input more than one known SNP. Of course, if Dibran has some Y-STRs from FTDNA, could put them in and see how it compares to the LivingDNA result. But LivingDNA doesn't provide Y-STRs.

Dibran
07-07-2017, 12:02 PM
It looks like Nevgen's main purpose is to convert Y-STR results into an SNP subclade prediction - and it's a great tool. I can't find a way to input more than one known SNP. Of course, if Dibran has some Y-STRs from FTDNA, could put them in and see how it compares to the LivingDNA result. But LivingDNA doesn't provide Y-STRs.

They also only provide positive SNPs. So without negative snps predictor probably would provide similar result.

Per correspondence FGC advised my kit may make it to the up coming batch. Idk how long it takes after the batch process, but assuming I can get worked in, it seems like it's moving along.

I expected the wait to be long so no worries there.

Dibran
07-07-2017, 04:37 PM
According to Eupedia, LivingDNA tests 22,500 SNPs http://www.eupedia.com/europe/dna_project_faq.shtml#Y-DNA_mtDNA and given that there were ~55,000 known Y-SNPs as of this ISOGG article (and probably a lot more now) https://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart then at some point they were going to have to pick and choose between how far downstream the chip will cover for each haplogroup. I imagine (it's difficult to say without enough raw data to look at) that they would have hedged their bets on the more common haplogroups in the British Isles - R1b and I1 - for the most downstream coverage.

Still, it gives the most coverage of any Y-SNP chip test on the market - 23andme's chip analyzes 2,329 SNPs while Ancestry's chip analyzes 885 (but doesn't report so you have to dig them out of the raw data).

The FGC YElite will give you a much more comprehensive Y-chromosome analysis (and that's why it's considerably more expensive than LivingDNA). However, based on my own experience, I think that you will be waiting longer than 3-4 months. I ordered mine in December of last year and still waiting. Being patient - still think it's the best Y-test and analysis around and worth the time and the money so still happy with the choice I made.

LivingDNA got back to me. They told me these are the following clades downstream of Z283 that they test(all of which I am negative):

They are as follows:
M458/PF6241
L260/S222
Z280
S204/Z91
CTS8557/Z661
CTS91/S344/Z660
S205/Z92
CTS1211/S3357
P278/P278.1/P278.2
P278/P278.1/P278.2
CTS3402/S3361/V2670
L365/S468
S443/Z289
S221/Z284
L448/S200
S223/Z287
S345/Z288
S342/Z88

07-07-2017, 09:03 PM
I am still skeptical about them down stream Clades being tested, so if Ftdna comes back and I am z284, something should be wrong.

Dibran
07-07-2017, 09:46 PM
I am still skeptical about them down stream Clades being tested, so if Ftdna comes back and I am z284, something should be wrong.

Time will tell. We could just belong to an ancestral Z283. Anything is possible. There are other clades downstream too. Though, I reckon since we are negative for a good chunk of them(assuming true) that we could just be Z283 or possibly even an undiscovered clade? Genetic ancestry is still rather in its infancy if you think about where it was and how far it came in a short time.