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Tįltos
07-16-2017, 09:07 PM
Thread for those with full or partial ancestry from these groups. Can be from any testing company or Gedmatch calculator.

Here is my cousin's FTDNA result. He is full Arbėreshė.
Southeast Europe-53%
Iberia-20%
Asia Minor-21%
West Middle East-<2%
Sephardic-3%
West Africa-<1%

He is not on Gedmatch.

TuaMan
07-17-2017, 10:25 PM
Great idea. My own origins are from the Malesia e Madhe region of northwestern Albania/southeastern Montenegro. So far as I know, all my recorded ancestors are Albanians from the various tribes of this region on both sides of my family, no known Slavic or other ancestry included. As far as I can tell Eurogenes is the best calculator on Gedmatch (especially for people of predominately or totally European ancestry), since from what I've heard it's the most consistently updated. Some test results of mine below:

K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.52
2 North_Atlantic 21.88
3 East_Med 21.81
4 West_Med 20.57
5 West_Asian 9.39
6 Red_Sea 1.65
7 Oceanian 1.13
8 East_Asian 0.64
9 Amerindian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.95
2 Romanian 5.78
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.55
4 Serbian 9.33
5 Tuscan 12.88
6 North_Italian 13.91
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.44
8 Central_Greek 14.63
9 Moldavian 14.96
10 West_Sicilian 15.11
11 East_Sicilian 15.83
12 Ashkenazi 17.25
13 Hungarian 17.43
14 Croatian 17.63
15 South_Italian 18.71
16 Austrian 19.72
17 Portuguese 20.31
18 Spanish_Galicia 21.08
19 Spanish_Extremadura 21.22
20 French 21.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Sardinian @ 2.2
2 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% Tuscan @ 2.89
3 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% North_Italian @ 3.03
4 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Ukrainian @ 3.06
5 71.6% Greek_Thessaly + 28.4% Croatian @ 3.07
6 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.11
7 78.2% Greek_Thessaly + 21.8% South_Polish @ 3.13
8 80.5% Greek_Thessaly + 19.5% Polish @ 3.21
9 74.9% Bulgarian + 25.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.22
10 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Estonian @ 3.29
11 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.29
12 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.31
13 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.32
14 91.3% Bulgarian + 8.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.33
15 77.9% Greek_Thessaly + 22.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.35
16 81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
17 56.3% Greek_Thessaly + 43.7% Serbian @ 3.36
18 82.2% Greek_Thessaly + 17.8% Belorussian @ 3.37
19 84.1% Greek_Thessaly + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 3.37
20 93% Bulgarian + 7% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.42


Eurogenes_ANE K7

Population
ANE 11.47
ASE 1.96
WHG-UHG 48.41
East_Eurasian 0.51
West_African 0.17
East_African 0.18
ENF 37.30

K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.21
Armenian 4.18
Basque 0.61
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.93
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.85
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.20
East_Med 10.71
Eastern_Euro 4.16
Fennoscandian 4.28
French 5.29
Iberian 14.84
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.60
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.70
North_African 0.20
North_Atlantic 1.92
North_Caucasian 0.79
North_Sea 2.77
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.24
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 5.50

Skerdilaidas
07-18-2017, 04:37 AM
Very interesting results, Taltos. Here are my Family Finder for comparison:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/6epsmg.jpg

23andme:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/ehf5og.jpg

Tįltos
07-18-2017, 02:07 PM
Very interesting results, Taltos. Here are my Family Finder for comparison:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/6epsmg.jpg

23andme:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/ehf5og.jpg

Thanks for sharing Skerdilaidas. I like 23andme for admixture more than FTDNA. I decided to test my cousin at FTDNA though because eventually I am going to order the mtDNA and Y DNA for him. I know 23andme has it, but they are not specific enough.

It would be great if FTDNA told us who they used already for reference samples. In 2012 (quite a while back now!) I wrote to Alexandr about his 4 ancestor oracle on Gedmatch. I wanted to know if he knew of any Arberesh samples. He did not but told me this about the Albanian ones.

Their analysis shows that they are close to the western Mediterranean - to the Basques, the Corsicans, the people of Provence and northern Italy. But they have a small admixture of South Caucasus (Oracle defines it as 25% of an Armenians or Georgians)

Tįltos
07-18-2017, 02:14 PM
Over the weekend an Albanian sent a sharing invite to my daughter's kit at 23andme. I then realized he also matched my mother and I. I messaged him. He thinks that based on the matches we are all sharing among us that my Albanian ancestry might come from Southern Albania. Unfortunately I cannot get passed the village in southern Italy to where in Albania we came from. Hopefully some day!

Skerdilaidas
07-18-2017, 02:20 PM
We are basically eastern shifted Tuscans. Not sure who Alexandr is, but I wouldn't say 'Caucasus' influence, whatever he means by that, is what's pulling us east on PCA maps. Even the bronze age Montenegrins and one of the samples from Croatia display this western shift. Probably has to do with the influence western Balkans has received from East ever since (Slavs..etc)

Tįltos
07-18-2017, 02:51 PM
We are basically eastern shifted Tuscans. Not sure who Alexandr is, but I wouldn't say 'Caucasus' influence, whatever he means by that, is what's pulling us east on PCA maps. Even the bronze age Montenegrins and one of the samples from Croatia display this western shift. Probably has to do with the influence western Balkans has received from East ever since (Slavs..etc)

I know very old quote from 2012. ;) Alexandr Burnashev was credited with being the creator of the 4 ancestor oracle on Gedmatch.

Back when Dr. McDonald was doing free analysis for most everyone he had my mom listed as Tuscan with a pull to the east that he wasn't sure about but fit her with Armenians, Georgians, or Druze. He then later did an update for me and said she fit with "Cypriot while clearly wrong is substituting for Albanian." He didn't have Albanian samples.

Again it would be great to see who FTDNA actually used so we know who they are substituting for us!

JerryS.
11-01-2017, 01:40 AM
it isn't easy being mostly NW European and trying to decipher my lesser amount of Mediterranean to see if the Italian side came from Albania at one time.... I don't have enough I guess to compare to all the full bloods.

JerryS.
11-01-2017, 01:44 AM
Over the weekend an Albanian sent a sharing invite to my daughter's kit at 23andme. I then realized he also matched my mother and I. I messaged him. He thinks that based on the matches we are all sharing among us that my Albanian ancestry might come from Southern Albania. Unfortunately I cannot get passed the village in southern Italy to where in Albania we came from. Hopefully some day!

Tizy Basta is the vice mayor of San Nicola dell'Alto. She is on Facebook as well. send her a friend request and see if she can help you with records or at least give you the contact that can.

Tįltos
11-01-2017, 03:18 PM
Tizy Basta is the vice mayor of San Nicola dell'Alto. She is on Facebook as well. send her a friend request and see if she can help you with records or at least give you the contact that can.

Basta is one of my lines too :)

EDIT-I also recently matched a Basta closely from my line at 23andme. I am asking them to test their brother or nephew at FTDNA for the Y.

JerryS.
11-01-2017, 05:05 PM
Basta is one of my lines too :)

EDIT-I also recently matched a Basta closely from my line at 23andme. I am asking them to test their brother or nephew at FTDNA for the Y.

that would really be something if you are related to Tizy!

khanabadoshi
11-13-2018, 08:09 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/db4785234ddabe46d8f18be36e927b94.png

Johane Derite
11-13-2018, 08:22 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/db4785234ddabe46d8f18be36e927b94.png

Jesus, Albanians are showing up more Greek than Albanians on 23andme? I know this is Dibran's test as I also saw it on eupedia.

Something urgent needs to be done about labelling the massive Arvanite population in Greece that got assimilated and list themselves as Greek on these tests and skew the results entirely.

Greeks with Arvanite ancestry need to start specifying Arvanite Greek or something when doing these tests otherwise european history is just being obfuscated.

khanabadoshi
11-13-2018, 08:42 PM
Jesus, Albanians are showing up more Greek than Albanians on 23andme? I know this is Dibran's test as I also saw it on eupedia.

Something urgent needs to be done about labelling the massive Arvanite population in Greece that got assimilated and list themselves as Greek on these tests and skew the results entirely.

Greeks with Arvanite ancestry need to start specifying Arvanite Greek or something when doing these tests otherwise european history is just being obfuscated.

No, this isn't Dibran's test, this is my friend's results. I just got them. Which admixture calculators should I run? They are Gheg from Macedonia, not Albania...so maybe that plays a factor?

Johane Derite
11-13-2018, 08:58 PM
No, this isn't Dibran's test, this is my friend's results. I just got them. Which admixture calculators should I run? They are Gheg from Macedonia, not Albania...so maybe that plays a factor?

Oh my, well Dibran also got Greek before Albanian and I thought it was his. No it's not that he is a Gheg from Macedonia. There is a large (now mostly assimilated) Arvanite population in Greece that skews mainland Greeks towards Albanians.

In 1861 for example Arvanites are said to be 200,000 in Greece ( Source: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html ) with other sources saying much more.

I don't know about which calculators, I did my test with LivingDNA and tried them all tbh. My closest matches after Albanians usually are Greek mainlanders and Tuscans.

khanabadoshi
11-13-2018, 09:06 PM
Oh my, well Dibran also got Greek before Albanian and I thought it was his. No it's not that he is a Gheg from Macedonia. There is a large (now mostly assimilated) Arvanite population in Greece that skews mainland Greeks towards Albanians.

In 1861 for example Arvanites are said to be 200,000 in Greece ( Source: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html ) with other sources saying much more.

I don't know about which calculators, I did my test with LivingDNA and tried them all tbh. My closest matches after Albanians usually are Greek mainlanders and Tuscans.

Ohh, I was saying the person whose results I posted is a Gheg from Macedonia, I am not familiar enough with Balkan genetics to know how strong Albanians cluster -- ie. do they differ autosomally based on geography/tribe? Are some Albanians mixed? Like do some Albanians have a Slavic, Turkish, Greek, or Italian affinity? So far on most Gedmatch calculators, the number 1 population is showing Tuscan, even with calculators that have an Albanian average. One calculator showed Kosovar as the top population, so I'm not sure how I should help interpret the results for them. Maybe I'll have a Global25 test done for them.

Johane Derite
11-13-2018, 09:41 PM
Ohh, I was saying the person whose results I posted is a Gheg from Macedonia, I am not familiar enough with Balkan genetics to know how strong Albanians cluster -- ie. do they differ autosomally based on geography/tribe? Are some Albanians mixed? Like do some Albanians have a Slavic, Turkish, Greek, or Italian affinity? So far on most Gedmatch calculators, the number 1 population is showing Tuscan, even with calculators that have an Albanian average. One calculator showed Kosovar as the top population, so I'm not sure how I should help interpret the results for them. Maybe I'll have a Global25 test done for them.

I'm also a Gheg (from Kosova) and also cluster with mainland Greeks. There isn't any historical explanation for why northerner Gheg Albanians would cluster with Mainland Greeks, whereas the Arvanite presence in mainland Greece explains this sufficiently imo. Some of the 19th Century German anthropologists visiting Greece said some things or two about this.

Even mainstream news has covered it: "However, the data from the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to Albanians than to their brethren in the Greek islands"

LINK: https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/mainland-island-greeks-genetically-diverged-in-middle-ages-1.5489323

Most Albanians cluster with each other before they do with any other group. (highest IBD according to Ralph and Coop). There is negligible differentiation between tribes autosomally.

Kosovar isn't an ethnicity. 95% of the population of Kosova is Albanian so that Kosovar that showed up is almost certainly just an Albanian.

The Tuscan thing is actually very interesting and needs to be investigated further to see what historically causes this as I can't think of it personally without resorting to Zecharia Mayani {1} type theories. I also score often close to Tuscans, and many other Albanians do, I am yet to see someone explain this sufficiently.

If you end up getting the global 25 please post it here, would love to see!

1. Zecharia Mayani's book Les Etrusques commencent a parler (The Etruscans Begin to Speak) put forth a thesis with reconstructions that the Etruscan language of antiquity had links to the Albanian language.

khanabadoshi
11-13-2018, 10:04 PM
I'm also a Gheg (from Kosova) and also cluster with mainland Greeks. There isn't any historical explanation for why northerner Gheg Albanians would cluster with Mainland Greeks, whereas the Arvanite presence in mainland Greece explains this sufficiently imo. Some of the 19th Century German anthropologists visiting Greece said some things or two about this.

Even mainstream news has covered it: "However, the data from the international team of scientists found a startling exception: mainland Greeks, who seem to be genetically closer to Albanians than to their brethren in the Greek islands"

LINK: https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/mainland-island-greeks-genetically-diverged-in-middle-ages-1.5489323

Most Albanians cluster with each other before they do with any other group. (highest IBD according to Ralph and Coop). There is negligible differentiation between tribes autosomally.

Kosovar isn't an ethnicity. 95% of the population of Kosova is Albanian so that Kosovar that showed up is almost certainly just an Albanian.

The Tuscan thing is actually very interesting and needs to be investigated further to see what historically causes this as I can't think of it personally without resorting to Zecharia Mayani {1} type theories. I also score often close to Tuscans, and many other Albanians do, I am yet to see someone explain this sufficiently.

If you end up getting the global 25 please post it here, would love to see!

1. Zecharia Mayani's book Les Etrusques commencent a parler (The Etruscans Begin to Speak) put forth a thesis with reconstructions that the Etruscan language of antiquity had links to the Albanian language.

Thank you very much, that was helpful information. I will definitely do the Global25 soon and post it. Have other Albanians done it? It'll be nice to compare.

Johane Derite
11-13-2018, 10:16 PM
Thank you very much, that was helpful information. I will definitely do the Global25 soon and post it. Have other Albanians done it? It'll be nice to compare.

I'm not sure, I think Dibran might know better than me:

https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?7372-Dibran

Tįltos
11-21-2018, 03:24 AM
Oh my, well Dibran also got Greek before Albanian and I thought it was his. No it's not that he is a Gheg from Macedonia. There is a large (now mostly assimilated) Arvanite population in Greece that skews mainland Greeks towards Albanians.

In 1861 for example Arvanites are said to be 200,000 in Greece ( Source: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html ) with other sources saying much more.

I don't know about which calculators, I did my test with LivingDNA and tried them all tbh. My closest matches after Albanians usually are Greek mainlanders and Tuscans.

With 23andme's update my mother's only Balkan match is Greece-Likely Match. For me I got Greece-Possible Match. Albania was not detected for either of us now.

Dibran
11-30-2018, 07:43 PM
..................


I'm not sure, I think Dibran might know better than me:

https://anthrogenica.com/member.php?7372-Dibran

Do you mean for Global25? I did it if anyone needs my coordinates. I don't know how to run them honestly.

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Dibran_scaled,0.127482,0.150298,0.020365,-0.02584,0.028621,-0.007251,0.00611,0.002769,-0.002863,0.022233,0.001624,0.007343,-0.011596,0.003165,-0.02158,0.006895,0.030379,-0.00266,0.006159,-0.007379,-0.010606,0.000124,0.000986,0.000964,-0.002036

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Dibran,0.0112,0.0148,0.0054,-0.008,0.0093,-0.0026,0.0026,0.0012,-0.0014,0.0122,0.001,0.0049,-0.0078,0.0023,-0.0159,0.0052,0.0233,-0.0021,0.0049,-0.0059,-0.0085,0.0001,0.0008,0.0008,-0.0017

khanabadoshi
12-01-2018, 01:45 AM
Do you mean for Global25? I did it if anyone needs my coordinates. I don't know how to run them honestly.

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Dibran_scaled,0.127482,0.150298,0.020365,-0.02584,0.028621,-0.007251,0.00611,0.002769,-0.002863,0.022233,0.001624,0.007343,-0.011596,0.003165,-0.02158,0.006895,0.030379,-0.00266,0.006159,-0.007379,-0.010606,0.000124,0.000986,0.000964,-0.002036

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Dibran,0.0112,0.0148,0.0054,-0.008,0.0093,-0.0026,0.0026,0.0012,-0.0014,0.0122,0.001,0.0049,-0.0078,0.0023,-0.0159,0.0052,0.0233,-0.0021,0.0049,-0.0059,-0.0085,0.0001,0.0008,0.0008,-0.0017

When I get their Global 25, I'll run both of you.

Dibran
12-01-2018, 12:35 PM
When I get their Global 25, I'll run both of you.

Sounds good thank you!

Tįltos
09-11-2019, 05:56 AM
My aunt is half Arbėreshė. Her Ancestry results came in today.

28% France
24% Greek & the Balkans
20% Italy
11% Ireland & Scotland
8% Germanic Europe
7% England, Wales, & NW Europe-Wales/ Mid Wales
2% Turkey & the Caucasus

Interestingly the Greek/Balkan component is higher here than over at 23andme for my family. The Turkey & Caucasus is consistent with being in the 2% range.No genetic communities found except for Wales. I guess they don't have it figured out where the Arbėreshė communities are yet. :)

Ownstyler
09-11-2019, 06:27 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/db4785234ddabe46d8f18be36e927b94.png

Do you know what your friend's Paternal Haplogroup is?

Dibran
09-11-2019, 05:38 PM
When I get their Global 25, I'll run both of you.

Hey!

Completely forgot about this lol. Ever get a chance to run it?

Tįltos
10-09-2019, 11:45 PM
Here are the updated 23andme results for my mom, two of her first cousins. All of them are half Arbėreshė. My result, and my daughter's results too. I am only including likely results that are indicative of our Arbėreshė roots. The other half of all results clearly point to known Western European or Eastern European origins.

Mom-
Greece-21.5%
1. Central Greece
2. Peloponnese

Italy-15.3%
1. Calabria
2. Sicily
3. Campania
4. Apulia
5. Basilicata

West Asian & North African-6.3%
Levantine-1.5%
Broadly Northern West Asian-1.5%
Broadly Western Asian & North African-3.3%

Broadly Sub-Saharan-0.1%

Me:
Italy-10.8%
1. Sicily
2. Calabria
3. Campania
4. Apulia
5. Basilicata


Greek & Balkan-5.9% (it's actually 10.5% for me, but they report 5.9% is from my mom)
1. Greece

Western Asia & North Africa-3.8%
Levantine-1.0
Broadly Arab, Egyptian & Levantine-0.5
Broadly Northern West Asian-0.5
Broadly Western & North African-1.8

Broadly Sub-Saharan-0.1%

Cousin #1
Greek & Balkan-19.8%
Crete and Peloponnese and +3 regions

Italian-14.3%
Calabria, Sicily and +4 regions


West Asian and North African result is 8.1.
Anatolian 2.9%
Broadly Northern West Asian-3.4%
Broadly Western Asian and North African-1.8%

Cousin#2
Italian-24.0%
Calabria +3 regions

Greek & Balkans-13.3%
Central Greece,Greece

Western Asian & Northern African-3.8%
Anatolian-0.8%
Broadly Northern West Asian-0.3%
Broadly Arab, Egyptian, & Levantine-0.1%
Broadly Western Asian & North African-2.6%

Broadly Sub-Saharan-0.2%

My daughter
Greek & Balkan-1.7%

Italian-1.3%

Western Asia & North Africa- 2.8%
Broadly Arab, Egyptian, & Levantine-1.0%
Anatolian-0.1%
Broadly Western Asian and North African-1.8%

I am including the trace Sub-Saharan result because my mom, and I always had them. Sudanese in last update. I was never sure which side of my mom's family. With the update one of her cousins has it now too, and in same spot as us on chromosome 4.

Greekscholar
10-11-2019, 01:48 AM
Hey!

Completely forgot about this lol. Ever get a chance to run it?

Out of curiosity, I went ahead and tried to create a model for you. It probably needs work. I feel like I am leaving something important component out........

Target: Dibran_scaled
Distance: 1.9863% / 0.01986310
Aggregated
39.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
35.8 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
11.2 Baltic_EST_BA
7.6 BGR_IA
5.8 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA

Minoan and Isparta are Ancient Greek samples. The other are metal age north Balkan/Steppe populations I used based on Dorkymon's suggestions.

Tįltos
10-26-2019, 03:49 AM
My mom and I had our ancestor locations updated in the past week. I am surprised at all the locations in Greece!

My Mom:
GreeK & Balkan
Peloponnese
Central Greece
Western Greece
Decentralized Administration of Attica
Epirus
Crete Region
Thessalia
Western Macedonia
Northern Aegean

Italian
Calabria
Sicily
Campania
Apulia
Basilicata
Abruzzo
Lazio

Me:
Greek & Balkan
Peloponnese
Western Greece
Thessalia
Northern Aegean

Italian
Calabria
Sicily
Campania
Apulia
Basilicata
Abruzzo
Molise

Scipio_Africanus
02-10-2020, 11:47 AM
Does anyone have Arvanite or Arbereshe results from 23andme?

Scipio_Africanus
02-10-2020, 11:49 AM
Didn't you get any recent ancestry regions in Albania after the updates?

Tįltos
02-13-2020, 02:47 AM
Does anyone have Arvanite or Arbereshe results from 23andme?
Hi, yes my family's results are part Arbėreshė.


Didn't you get any recent ancestry regions in Albania after the updates? Surprisingly no. I can see quite a few full Albanian matches we get, so I'm not sure why they did not give a location in Albania. Unless I suppose it was because you need 5 matches from the same exact locations? However it should have been enough to at least give Albania as a general location.

We get quite a few ancestor locations to Greece that I would have never suspected starting out. I think there is hidden Albanian/Aravanite as a result of getting these matches to Greek locations. I did have a Greek match acknowledge that it could be possible. I am open to the possibility that there could be an actual Greek ancestor in there somewhere too. I am sure the Ottoman Empire had our families moving all around the region.

Keqa
02-13-2020, 04:02 AM
I am full Albanian from central Kosove with origin from North Albanian and Greece is the first place I get, southern Greece to be more exact. 23andme is ridiculous when it comes to these ethnic clusters. All of them actually not just 23andme.

Dibran
02-13-2020, 06:49 AM
I am full Albanian from central Kosove with origin from North Albanian and Greece is the first place I get, southern Greece to be more exact. 23andme is ridiculous when it comes to these ethnic clusters. All of them actually not just 23andme.

Same. I get Peloponnesian first and I'm from Diber. Almost all Albanians do.

Hawk
02-13-2020, 04:23 PM
Same. I get Peloponnesian first and I'm from Diber. Almost all Albanians do.

I got Peloponesse and Pazarzhik Bulgaria, yet on my closest relatives list Bulgaria is on bottom.

Dibran
02-13-2020, 05:26 PM
I got Peloponesse and Pazarzhik Bulgaria, yet on my closest relatives list Bulgaria is on bottom.

I have something similar with Romania instead of Bulgaria. I get Greece,Albania,Romania. Even though most of my relatives are Albanian and Greek. I noticed I have alot of Albanians from Greece I match. I think the system works it based on where the ancestor was born as opposed to their actual reported ancestry. For instance, of my matches in Serbia, 60 percent of them are Albanians from Kosova and Albania.