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isgaldo
07-22-2017, 05:50 PM
Hi All,

I am hoping you can shed some light for me please. Basically my ancestry goes something like this:

Father is Galician (North West Spain) and my mothers side is roughly Welsh, and North East England Durham.
We know her dads side pretty well and basically from Durham area, her 2 x great grandparents Scotland and Ireland.

Regarding my mothers maternal side they are from the area of Pembrokeshire, West Wales. We do not know who her great grandfather is as her grandmother was born illegitimate, we also do not know who her great great father is as her grandmothers mother was also born illegitimate!
I assumed the missing grandfather must be Welsh as Pembrokeshire is quite cut off and isolated from the rest of UK. However there is a lot of coast with boats coming in :D

I have just received my mothers results back, I was expected 100% British Isles, so here they are:

89.5% British Isles
7% Europe South
3.5% World Unassigned

Broken down they look like:

24.1% Northumbria
20.9% South Wales
20.3% South Central England
10.4% Devon
3.7% North Wales
2.8% Northwest Scotland
1.7% Ireland
1.5% South England
1.5% South West Scotland & Northern Ireland
1.4% West Border
1.1% Cornwall

Europe South

3.1% Tuscany
2.4% North Italy
1.5% Basque

World

Near East

3.5% Kurdish (Everyone for world seems to be getting Kurdish for some reason)

So in your option is this indicating one of her recent-ish ancestors was from Southern Europe?
I've had my partner test who's paper trail is all British for a couple of hundred years gets a nearly 100% British results apart from a couple of percent Scandi.

My own results are only giving me about a 30 -36% British Isles results when I have tested with Living DNA, 23andme, FTDNA, Ancestry etc.

Also here are my mothers Gedmatch results also on Eurogenes K15:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 6.6
2 Norwegian 7.09
3 Southwest_English 7.27
4 West_Norwegian 7.59
5 Swedish 7.62
6 West_German 8.08
7 Orcadian 8.24
8 Southeast_English 8.29
9 Danish 8.39
10 Irish 8.53
11 West_Scottish 8.76
12 North_German 9.12
13 South_Dutch 9.96
14 North_Swedish 11.44
15 French 12.62
16 East_German 13.1
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.58
18 Hungarian 17.1
19 Austrian 18.55
20 Finnish 19.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% West_Norwegian + 11.2% Sardinia - 4.1
2 76.3% West_Norwegian + 23.7% Spanish_Galicia - 4.9
3 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 5.15
4 80% West_Norwegian + 20% Spanish_Cantabria - 5.2
5 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Portuguese - 5.24
6 80.8% West_Norwegian + 19.2% Southwest_French - 5.3
7 77.2% Swedish + 22.8% Spanish_Galicia - 5.3
8 67.8% West_Norwegian + 32.2% French - 5.31
9 90.9% Norwegian + 9.1% Sardinian - 5.31
10 89.6% Swedish + 10.4% Sardinian - 5.31
11 79.9% Norwegian + 20.1% Spanish_Galicia - 5.34
12 78.5% West_Norwegian + 21.5% Spanish_Cataluna - 5.37
13 80.4% Swedish + 19.6% Spanish_Cantabria - 5.38
14 52.4% Southwest_English + 47.6% Swedish - 5.4
15 80.7% West_Norwegian + 19.3% Spanish_Extremadura - 5.43
16 83.1% West_Norwegian + 16.9% Spanish_Andalucia - 5.49
17 82.2% Norwegian + 17.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 5.53
18 83.3% Norwegian + 16.7% Spanish_Cantabria - 5.53
19 82.6% West_Norwegian + 17.4% Spanish_Aragon - 5.54
20 82.4% West_Norwegian + 17.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha - 5.56


Again when I put my parter who is very British through K13 and K15 they were basically 100% Irish results even though she's a mixture of the Isles.

Any input would be greatly appreciated, thank you :)

Thanks,
Isabel

isgaldo
07-22-2017, 06:10 PM
Also Oracle 4 results from Gedmatch are as follows:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch - 7.492625
2 Norwegian - 8.031615
3 Southwest_English - 8.422971
4 Swedish - 8.584777
5 West_Norwegian - 8.615817
6 Orcadian - 9.405769
7 West_German - 9.463596
8 Southeast_English - 9.570303
9 Danish - 9.571520
10 Irish - 9.801666
11 West_Scottish - 10.043807
12 North_German - 10.490155
13 South_Dutch - 11.669869
14 North_Swedish - 13.024041
15 French - 14.693861
16 East_German - 15.342086
17 Southwest_Finnish - 18.999176
18 Hungarian - 20.019697
19 Finnish - 21.633890
20 Austrian 21.759716

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Swedish - 6.161784


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Norwegian - 6.023953


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 5.565428
2 Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 5.664007
3 Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian - 5.746603
4 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 5.790453
5 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian - 5.840127
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 5.978316
7 North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 6.022770
8 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian - 6.023953
9 Portuguese + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 6.037865
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 6.040123
11 French + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 6.042690
12 North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian - 6.043655
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 6.053277
14 Southwest_English + Swedish + West_German + West_Norwegian - 6.086550
15 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian - 6.115434
16 Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian - 6.129972
17 Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian - 6.139290
18 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + Swedish - 6.142741
19 French + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian - 6.142899
20 Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian 6.158906

ollie444
07-22-2017, 08:15 PM
Hi All,

I am hoping you can shed some light for me please. Basically my ancestry goes something like this:

Father is Galician (North West Spain) and my mothers side is roughly Welsh, and North East England Durham.
We know her dads side pretty well and basically from Durham area, her 2 x great grandparents Scotland and Ireland.

Regarding my mothers maternal side they are from the area of Pembrokeshire, West Wales. We do not know who her great grandfather is as her grandmother was born illegitimate, we also do not know who her great great father is as her grandmothers mother was also born illegitimate!
I assumed the missing grandfather must be Welsh as Pembrokeshire is quite cut off and isolated from the rest of UK. However there is a lot of coast with boats coming in :D

I have just received my mothers results back, I was expected 100% British Isles, so here they are:

89.5% British Isles
7% Europe South
3.5% World Unassigned

Broken down they look like:

24.1% Northumbria
20.9% South Wales
20.3% South Central England
10.4% Devon
3.7% North Wales
2.8% Northwest Scotland
1.7% Ireland
1.5% South England
1.5% South West Scotland & Northern Ireland
1.4% West Border
1.1% Cornwall

Europe South

3.1% Tuscany
2.4% North Italy
1.5% Basque

World

Near East

3.5% Kurdish (Everyone for world seems to be getting Kurdish for some reason)

So in your option is this indicating one of her recent-ish ancestors was from Southern Europe?
I've had my partner test who's paper trail is all British for a couple of hundred years gets a nearly 100% British results apart from a couple of percent Scandi.

My own results are only giving me about a 30 -36% British Isles results when I have tested with Living DNA, 23andme, FTDNA, Ancestry etc.

Also here are my mothers Gedmatch results also on Eurogenes K15:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 6.6
2 Norwegian 7.09
3 Southwest_English 7.27
4 West_Norwegian 7.59
5 Swedish 7.62
6 West_German 8.08
7 Orcadian 8.24
8 Southeast_English 8.29
9 Danish 8.39
10 Irish 8.53
11 West_Scottish 8.76
12 North_German 9.12
13 South_Dutch 9.96
14 North_Swedish 11.44
15 French 12.62
16 East_German 13.1
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.58
18 Hungarian 17.1
19 Austrian 18.55
20 Finnish 19.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% West_Norwegian + 11.2% Sardinia - 4.1
2 76.3% West_Norwegian + 23.7% Spanish_Galicia - 4.9
3 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 5.15
4 80% West_Norwegian + 20% Spanish_Cantabria - 5.2
5 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Portuguese - 5.24
6 80.8% West_Norwegian + 19.2% Southwest_French - 5.3
7 77.2% Swedish + 22.8% Spanish_Galicia - 5.3
8 67.8% West_Norwegian + 32.2% French - 5.31
9 90.9% Norwegian + 9.1% Sardinian - 5.31
10 89.6% Swedish + 10.4% Sardinian - 5.31
11 79.9% Norwegian + 20.1% Spanish_Galicia - 5.34
12 78.5% West_Norwegian + 21.5% Spanish_Cataluna - 5.37
13 80.4% Swedish + 19.6% Spanish_Cantabria - 5.38
14 52.4% Southwest_English + 47.6% Swedish - 5.4
15 80.7% West_Norwegian + 19.3% Spanish_Extremadura - 5.43
16 83.1% West_Norwegian + 16.9% Spanish_Andalucia - 5.49
17 82.2% Norwegian + 17.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 5.53
18 83.3% Norwegian + 16.7% Spanish_Cantabria - 5.53
19 82.6% West_Norwegian + 17.4% Spanish_Aragon - 5.54
20 82.4% West_Norwegian + 17.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha - 5.56


Again when I put my parter who is very British through K13 and K15 they were basically 100% Irish results even though she's a mixture of the Isles.

Any input would be greatly appreciated, thank you :)

Thanks,
Isabel

Lots of people seem to be getting small amounts of Italian/Basque. I would probably discount this.

angscoire
07-22-2017, 08:56 PM
Your mothers' results look pretty good to me. As ollie says , lots of Brits get low continental percentages ( I get about 12% Scandinavian) , so I wouldn't allow these to obscure the generally accurate picture of her ancestry that this test provided.

JohnHowellsTyrfro
07-22-2017, 09:10 PM
Just to agree with previous comments, nothing very much out of the ordinary. I'm British, part Welsh and get some odd minor percentages like Basque, Sardinian etc. which I wouldn't take too literally, probably just part of the ancient background DNA "soup" I would think. John

Galdo
07-22-2017, 09:24 PM
Thanks everyone for your replies, makes sense :) Also is this usual to see these results via Gedmatch Admixture as well? It shows a lot of Spanish Galicia/Southern Europe? Maybe ancient DNA showing up possibly?
My British partner had very normal results and went with what was expected.

Also on my own Living DNA results I had 54% French!? With no known French ancestry at all, haven't quite figured that one out yet :D

Pylsteen
07-22-2017, 09:46 PM
France is in between England and Iberia, so that could explain it. They should be able to do that better though.

isgaldo
07-22-2017, 11:10 PM
Agreed Pylsteen, they should.

sktibo
07-22-2017, 11:24 PM
Those results look way more accurate compared to a paper trail than we often see

avalon
07-23-2017, 09:40 AM
Just to agree with previous comments, nothing very much out of the ordinary. I'm British, part Welsh and get some odd minor percentages like Basque, Sardinian etc. which I wouldn't take too literally, probably just part of the ancient background DNA "soup" I would think. John

The OP has been banned for some reason but I was going to say that one observation I had of trace Basque amounts in LivingDNA is that both you and sgdavies have this in your results, and you are both notable at anthrogenica for having large amounts of South Wales ancestry.

Does anyone know of other fully British posters who have Basque, but no South Wales or Welsh borders ancestry?

I would agree that this could be very ancient, quite possibly linked to the Neolithic inhabitants of Britain, but as always in this hobby, more research needed.

jonathanmcg1990
07-23-2017, 11:45 AM
Those results look way more accurate compared to a paper trail than we often see

Are you referring to your own here? Lol

JohnHowellsTyrfro
07-23-2017, 11:53 AM
The OP has been banned for some reason but I was going to say that one observation I had of trace Basque amounts in LivingDNA is that both you and sgdavies have this in your results, and you are both notable at anthrogenica for having large amounts of South Wales ancestry.

Does anyone know of other fully British posters who have Basque, but no South Wales or Welsh borders ancestry?

I would agree that this could be very ancient, quite possibly linked to the Neolithic inhabitants of Britain, but as always in this hobby, more research needed.

I did suggest/speculate somewhere else that perhaps the Welsh in general may be more representative of pre- Iron age peoples. Interesting thought and maybe not entirely fitting the "driven West by Saxons theory". John

avalon
07-24-2017, 11:42 AM
I did suggest/speculate somewhere else that perhaps the Welsh in general may be more representative of pre- Iron age peoples. Interesting thought and maybe not entirely fitting the "driven West by Saxons theory". John

I agree they could well be. From this paper, https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326?WT.ec_id=NCOMMS-20160120&spMailingID=50501936&spUserID=MTA5NjM3MTAyODYxS0&spJobID=842604503&spReportId=ODQyNjA0NTAzS0 we have quite strong genetic evidence that modern Welsh are a good proxy for Iron Age Britons, but obviously we need more ancientDNA and modern DNA from Wales to build a clearer picture.