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Angoliga
07-24-2017, 01:40 AM
If you happen to come across my maternal haplogroup, please share -- I'd greatly appreciate it!

I've only been able to find 8 instances of L3x2b in the past two and half years.



L3x2b - Point Distribution Map (July, 2017)

http://i.imgur.com/eGHGh5e.png

Shown on Map:
Algeria
North Gaza (الشمالخة - غزة)
Sudan - Darfur (Masalit) *identified in a research paper as L3x2; could be either the basal clade, L3x2b/a or an unidentified subclade*
Uganda - West Nile Region

Not shown on Map:
Spain - Galacia
Spain - Asturias
Trinidad and Tobago
USA (African-American)



I don't know if there's any merit to this but I thought I'd plot a centroid region to the distribution map which at the moment seems to fall within N/Western Sudan, Southern Libya and N/Eastern Chad -- surveys specific to these regions have been quite limited.

Apart from Africa being generally under-surveyed and lower resolution studies for sub-clades, I wonder if armed conflicts within the region might also be a major factor for lack of detection.

Darfuria92
06-18-2018, 06:03 AM
Interesting findings; I am from Darfur and my maternal haplogroup is L2a2a.
Im having difficulty with analyzing my GedMatch; Whats the best option of actually getting an accurate results of my origins

NetNomad
06-30-2018, 09:39 PM
Interesting findings; I am from Darfur and my maternal haplogroup is L2a2a.
Im having difficulty with analyzing my GedMatch; Whats the best option of actually getting an accurate results of my origins

That haplogroup is often associated with both Nilotes and Mbuti (East) Pygmies. It's rather old, so you most likely belong to the Nilote branch.

NetNomad
06-30-2018, 09:42 PM
Interesting findings; I am from Darfur and my maternal haplogroup is L2a2a.
Im having difficulty with analyzing my GedMatch; Whats the best option of actually getting an accurate results of my origins

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Alfa
08-02-2020, 03:46 PM
See attachment.

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Do you know if the subclade L5c is frequent in Nilotic speakers or in cushites speakers. Is it found in Sudan only or in other parts of the Horn? Does anyone have info about this haplogroup?

Deftextra
02-01-2021, 01:05 AM
I have come across an L3x with one on my uncle's 23andMe cousins. The match is Benadiri (a mixed coastal population) from Mogadishu.

NetNomad
03-18-2021, 08:05 PM
I have come across an L3x with one on my uncle's 23andMe cousins. The match is Benadiri (a mixed coastal population) from Mogadishu.

I have noticed from 23andMe relatives that most Somalis with L3x seem to have L3x1, while L3x2 is rare. Mota man (Ancient DNA) was apparently L3x2a.

NetNomad
03-18-2021, 08:10 PM
Do you know if the subclade L5c is frequent in Nilotic speakers or in cushites speakers. Is it found in Sudan only or in other parts of the Horn? Does anyone have info about this haplogroup?

Sorry for the late response. I haven't seen any L5 on my 23andMe relatives list of Somalis.

It could be a Kenya LSA lineage (Late Stone Age) in the case of Rwandans. L5b is potentially Nilote, but I don't think the other ones are (L5a etc).

Alfa
03-19-2021, 12:14 AM
If you happen to come across my maternal haplogroup, please share -- I'd greatly appreciate it!

I've only been able to find 8 instances of L3x2b in the past two and half years.



L3x2b - Point Distribution Map (July, 2017)

http://i.imgur.com/eGHGh5e.png

Shown on Map:
Algeria
North Gaza (الشمالخة - غزة)
Sudan - Darfur (Masalit) *identified in a research paper as L3x2; could be either the basal clade, L3x2b/a or an unidentified subclade*
Uganda - West Nile Region

Not shown on Map:
Spain - Galacia
Spain - Asturias
Trinidad and Tobago
USA (African-American)



I don't know if there's any merit to this but I thought I'd plot a centroid region to the distribution map which at the moment seems to fall within N/Western Sudan, Southern Libya and N/Eastern Chad -- not exactly the most peaceful regions in recent decades.

Apart from Africa being generally under-surveyed, I wonder if armed conflicts in the afmd "centroid" region might also be a major factor for L3x2b's lack of detection. It's complete absence in genetic research papers for the region (Sudanese/Ugandan/Chadian etc) makes me wonder if it'll one day be detected at low to moderate levels in an oasis within the proposed centroid region.

I have seen 2 cases of L3X in Rwanda/Burundi, but I without deeper analysis, it is hard to know if they are L3X2b.

Angoliga
12-14-2021, 04:47 PM
I added my mtdna sequences earlier this year, and asked Yfull to update the Country of origin for samples within the subclade:

https://i.imgur.com/pToAdMg.png

All were updated except HQ675033.1; there were some issues with Yfull validating the sample's details from the paper (Seoane, 2011 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/HQ675033)).

It appears to be a Galician sample:


"... Furthermore, the L3x2 (TF116) sequence from Tenerife shares all of its terminal variants(650, 7933, 8158, 15519, 16261) with sequences from Galicia (HQ675033, JN214446) and Andalusia (KT819228), not with African sequences." (Cabrera, 2018 (https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12862-018-1211-4))

Unfortunately, still no other L3x2b detection in >7 years.

capsian
12-14-2021, 08:40 PM
I added my mtdna sequences earlier this year, and asked Yfull to update the Country of origin for samples within the subclade:

https://i.imgur.com/pToAdMg.png

All were updated except HQ675033.1; there were some issues with Yfull validating the sample's details from the paper (Seoane, 2011 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/HQ675033)).

It appears to be a Galician sample:


"... Furthermore, the L3x2 (TF116) sequence from Tenerife shares all of its terminal variants(650, 7933, 8158, 15519, 16261) with sequences from Galicia (HQ675033, JN214446) and Andalusia (KT819228), not with African sequences." (Cabrera, 2018 (https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12862-018-1211-4))

Unfortunately, still no other L3x2b detection in >7 years.

wow it s found in spain do you thinks this mtdna it's ancient in iberia

Angoliga
12-15-2021, 12:02 AM
Unfortunately, still no other L3x2b detection in >7 years.

I spoke too soon; just found these two Brazilian samples from the southern (S) portion of Espírito Santo state (Reis, 2019 (https://repositorio.ufes.br/bitstream/10/10952/1/tese_13063_Tese%20-%20Raquel%20Silva%20dos%20Reis.pdf)):
https://i.imgur.com/VuD2AIq.png


It's kind of ironic. Although they're labeled here as African under "Continental Origin", their terminal variants have them closer related to L3x2b sequences found in Spain than Africa.





wow it s found in spain do you thinks this mtdna it's ancient in iberia

Yes, judging by the TMRCA (9800 ybp)-- there's also other rare ancient L-lineages found in Spain from early Holocenic NW-African migrations (carrying minor SSA).

A Spanish forum member with another rare L-lineage has a thread on the topic "Rare Spanish haplogroup L3f1b6 with remote Sub-Saharan origin (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21278-Rare-Spanish-haplogroup-L3f1b6-with-remote-Sub-Saharan-origin)"; there's more references there (green sahara, gibraltar strait passage...).

IIRC from an article, there's a higher % of these minor lineages in NW-Iberia, partly due to the Cantabrian mountain-range forming some kind of cul-de-sac barrier, preserving more of the earlier minor NW-African ancestry from later Neolithic/BA migrations.