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misanthropy
07-24-2017, 04:09 AM
Let's post ours and compare. If you've ran these before, try doing them again in case of updates to the source populations. Want to see trends, similarities, and differences with South Asians from different regions. Stating your ethnic origin/location helps too.

Some tools for K36:

Ancient similarities
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

Ancient Timeline
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K36expe3.htm

Modern similarities
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Location longitude latitude ('works exclusively for Europeans' but let's try it for fun)
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm

For K15:

Coordinates among existing ethnic groups
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I'll start. Ethnic origin is Hyderabad, India and Sunni Muslim.

First my Eurogenes K36 results


Amerindian 0.42
Arabian 3.18
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 1.15
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan 0.68
Near_Eastern 0.64
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 3.71
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 2.67
Oceanian 0.59
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.77
South_Asian 61.73
South_Central_Asian 22.58
South_Chinese 0.22
Volga-Ural 1.50
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.06
West_Med -


My ancient similarities

http://i.imgur.com/hauOprh.png

http://i.imgur.com/RIwMKZF.png

My ancient timeline

http://i.imgur.com/QRFECKO.png

http://i.imgur.com/AuYX7gg.png

My modern similarities

http://i.imgur.com/27jW94s.png

http://i.imgur.com/rivVwd5.png

http://i.imgur.com/VvEwWue.png

My location

20.492078913999997 57.361397848

Putting me in Oman lol. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Omanis had some South Indian admixture due to trade, migrants, and diaspora.

http://i.imgur.com/Zm10WCm.png

Now my Eurogenes K15 results


# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 64.23
2 West_Asian 13.68
3 Atlantic 4
4 Red_Sea 3.98
5 Eastern_Euro 3.96
6 Siberian 2.96
7 East_Med 2.58
8 Northeast_African 2.39
9 Oceanian 0.71
10 Amerindian 0.7
11 Baltic 0.39
12 Southeast_Asian 0.38
13 North_Sea 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dharkar 7.12
2 Kshatriya 7.59
3 Kanjar 8.52
4 Gujarati 9.09
5 Brahmin_UP 10.06
6 Uttar_Pradesh 10.16
7 Velamas 10.44
8 Kurumba 10.69
9 Bangladeshi 11.1
10 Kol 11.71
11 Dusadh 12.19
12 North_Kannadi 12.44
13 Chenchu 13.54
14 Piramalai 14.66
15 Chamar 16.95
16 Sakilli 17.41
17 Sindhi 20.31
18 Punjabi_Jat 22.18
19 Pathan 25.91
20 Burusho 28.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Dharkar + 6.8% Saudi @ 4.81
2 94% Dharkar + 6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 4.89
3 94.1% Dharkar + 5.9% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 4.91
4 92.8% Dharkar + 7.2% Bedouin @ 4.94
5 76.2% Piramalai + 23.8% Tadjik @ 5.01
6 93.2% Dharkar + 6.8% Egyptian @ 5.06
7 93.8% Dharkar + 6.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.11
8 93.1% Dharkar + 6.9% Jordanian @ 5.14
9 91.5% Kanjar + 8.5% Saudi @ 5.16
10 79.5% Chamar + 20.5% Kabardin @ 5.17
11 90.8% Kanjar + 9.2% Bedouin @ 5.17
12 82.5% Kurumba + 17.5% Tadjik @ 5.19
13 92.9% Dharkar + 7.1% Syrian @ 5.19
14 93.3% Dharkar + 6.7% Palestinian @ 5.19
15 94.7% Dharkar + 5.3% Somali @ 5.2
16 92.1% Dharkar + 7.9% Iranian @ 5.21
17 79.8% Chamar + 20.2% Adygei @ 5.22
18 79.9% Chamar + 20.1% Ossetian @ 5.24
19 94.7% Dharkar + 5.3% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 5.25
20 92.3% Dharkar + 7.7% Azeri @ 5.27


My coordinates among ethnic groups: 1881, 793 (blue dot)
http://i.imgur.com/eI90wZI.png

Tukhara
07-24-2017, 05:21 AM
I don't have my DNA results or raw data yet but nice results mate. :)

It seems you may have some Gulf ancestry, no?

misanthropy
07-24-2017, 05:45 AM
I don't have my DNA results or raw data yet but nice results mate. :)

It seems you may have some Gulf ancestry, no?

Thanks and yes I had a paternal Hadhrami Yemeni ancestor a few generations back, which is why my Y-dna is what it is.

23andme timeline
http://i.imgur.com/932rNhT.png

kush
07-25-2017, 02:56 AM
I'm from Hyderabad as well.

My ancient similarities
17734
17735

My ancient timeline
17736
17737

kush
07-25-2017, 03:33 AM
modern similarities

17739
17740
17741

my location

17742

Eurogenes K15

17743

misanthropy
08-19-2017, 06:19 AM
Anyone else? Let's see them maps!

Except for that longitude and latitude one, that one is bugged for non-Euros.

bmoney
11-19-2017, 01:58 AM
Anyone else? Let's see them maps!

Except for that longitude and latitude one, that one is bugged for non-Euros.

Which software did you use to plot the K15 coordinates on the image?

Also I think people should only post South, West and Central Asia for the modern similarities graph - its the most relevant

If people could post what either the biggest match was or the most unexpected result for each of the graphs before posting the image - saves the rest of us analysing it

poi
11-19-2017, 02:02 AM
Cool, a dedicated thread for these maps!

My ancients reposted from the other thread. I will post others when I'm in front of the computer. In mobile, it is a major pita.

https://i.imgur.com/tHdlHNe.gif

misanthropy
11-19-2017, 02:29 AM
Which software did you use to plot the K15 coordinates on the image?



I personally used paint.net just to show the coordinates, then I added a mark where it should be.

khanabadoshi
11-19-2017, 11:45 PM
Population
Amerindian
Arabian
Armenian
Basque
Central_African
Central_Euro
East_African
East_Asian
East_Balkan
East_Central_Asian
East_Central_Euro
East_Med
Eastern_Euro
Fennoscandian
French
Iberian
Indo-Chinese
Italian
Malayan
Near_Eastern
North_African
North_Atlantic
North_Caucasian
North_Sea
Northeast_African
Oceanian
Omotic
Pygmy
Siberian
South_Asian
South_Central_Asian
South_Chinese
Volga-Ural
West_African
West_Caucasian
West_Med


Assam - jortita
0
0
0.12
0
0
1.73
0
3.38
0
5.14
0
0
0.34
0.42
0.24
0
1.52
0
8.1
0
0.47
0
5.03
0
0
1.21
0
0
1.79
46.39
22.54
0.73
0.84
0
0
0


Brahmin; Telugu
0.36
0
1.14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2.91
0
0
0
0.3
0
1.82
0
0
0
1.31
0
0
0.32
0
0.64
0
57.11
31.57
0
0.36
0.53
1.63
0


Brahmin; Karnataka
0.75
0.83
3.67
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0.59
0.45
0
0
0
0
0
0
0.43
0
0
0
2.76
0
0.06
0
0
0
0
52.29
36.33
0
0
0.27
1.58
0


Brahmin; Tamil 1
0.64
0
0
0
0.17
0.59
0
0
0
0
0.73
0
0
0.26
0
0
0
0
0.86
0
0
0.59
5.08
0
0
0.93
0
0
0
55.81
33.47
0
0
0.89
0
0






https://i.gyazo.com/7438e6a1b9f8506580d36fed0c519536.png



https://i.gyazo.com/b8178327ae96f320396389c8ca3d2019.png


https://i.gyazo.com/2ba9ee8a1021d4416c1fecd497bce24e.png



https://i.gyazo.com/5d2f10be513a18453bf27624b65de940.png

parasar
11-20-2017, 12:34 AM
Jortita 47 Ust Ishim!
That would indicate a very high ancestral ASI contribution.

poi
11-20-2017, 12:38 AM
Population
Amerindian
Arabian
Armenian
Basque
Central_African
Central_Euro
East_African
East_Asian
East_Balkan
East_Central_Asian
East_Central_Euro
East_Med
Eastern_Euro
Fennoscandian
French
Iberian
Indo-Chinese
Italian
Malayan
Near_Eastern
North_African
North_Atlantic
North_Caucasian
North_Sea
Northeast_African
Oceanian
Omotic
Pygmy
Siberian
South_Asian
South_Central_Asian
South_Chinese
Volga-Ural
West_African
West_Caucasian
West_Med


Assam - jortita
0
0
0.12
0
0
1.73
0
3.38
0
5.14
0
0
0.34
0.42
0.24
0
1.52
0
8.1
0
0.47
0
5.03
0
0
1.21
0
0
1.79
46.39
22.54
0.73
0.84
0
0
0


Brahmin; Telugu
0.36
0
1.14
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2.91
0
0
0
0.3
0
1.82
0
0
0
1.31
0
0
0.32
0
0.64
0
57.11
31.57
0
0.36
0.53
1.63
0


Brahmin; Karnataka
0.75
0.83
3.67
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0.59
0.45
0
0
0
0
0
0
0.43
0
0
0
2.76
0
0.06
0
0
0
0
52.29
36.33
0
0
0.27
1.58
0


Brahmin; Tamil 1
0.64
0
0
0
0.17
0.59
0
0
0
0
0.73
0
0
0.26
0
0
0
0
0.86
0
0
0.59
5.08
0
0
0.93
0
0
0
55.81
33.47
0
0
0.89
0
0






https://i.gyazo.com/7438e6a1b9f8506580d36fed0c519536.png



https://i.gyazo.com/b8178327ae96f320396389c8ca3d2019.png


https://i.gyazo.com/2ba9ee8a1021d4416c1fecd497bce24e.png



https://i.gyazo.com/5d2f10be513a18453bf27624b65de940.png

Do you have other South Asians' values? My K36 incase you are compiling them.


Population
Amerindian 0.84
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 1.36
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 2.26
East_Central_Euro 1.87
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.64
Fennoscandian 4.55
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan 0.72
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.14
North_Caucasian 6.01
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.55
South_Asian 39.70
South_Central_Asian 32.45
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.16
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.75
West_Med -

poi
11-20-2017, 01:00 AM
Jortita 47 Ust Ishim!
That would indicate a very high ancestral ASI contribution.

I have much to read up on ancient DNA, but what is ASI-like doing up there in Siberia. Unless ASI=OOA wave.

parasar
11-20-2017, 01:00 AM
Jortita 47 Ust Ishim!
That would indicate a very high ancestral ASI contribution.

So that Jortita is from Assam is consistent as Ust's IBD hotspot is Burma.
And of the populations studied Ust is closest on D stats to the Ongee.
http://johnhawks.net/images/fu-2014-ust-ishim-d-statistics.png

khanabadoshi
11-20-2017, 05:29 AM
Do you have other South Asians' values? My K36 incase you are compiling them.


Population
Amerindian 0.84
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 1.36
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 2.26
East_Central_Euro 1.87
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.64
Fennoscandian 4.55
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan 0.72
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.14
North_Caucasian 6.01
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.55
South_Asian 39.70
South_Central_Asian 32.45
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.16
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.75
West_Med -


I have a few, added yours.

bmoney
11-20-2017, 09:47 AM
So that Jortita is from Assam is consistent as Ust's IBD hotspot is Burma.
And of the populations studied Ust is closest on D stats to the Ongee.
http://johnhawks.net/images/fu-2014-ust-ishim-d-statistics.png

Nice

You reckon theres a chance Ust'ishim came to the subcontinent via the east or SE (Burma), therefore was an intrusion from the East and not a relict southern coastal route migration left behind from the first migration out of Africa? It was obviously still the first major population settlement in South Asia - wonder if it lived independently to Harappa Iran neolithics until the great ANI ASI mix where they expanded north

Also as I expected the Karnataka sample is strongly Iran_Neolithic despite being Brahmin, I also expect Maratha Kshatriya Maharashtrians to be this way (not the Brahmins)

vintage_sky
11-20-2017, 01:03 PM
Here are mine

19875

19876

19877

19878

19879

vintage_sky
11-20-2017, 01:04 PM
19880

19881

poi
11-20-2017, 04:45 PM
19888

19889

19890

19891

I'm placed x=1715, y=638 (in between Burusho and Brahmin_UP)... this map is VERY geographic and I'm placed right in where I'm supposed to be (Khas homeland).

19892

pnb123
11-20-2017, 07:10 PM
19888

19889

19890

19891

I'm placed x=1715, y=638 (in between Burusho and Brahmin_UP)... this map is VERY geographic and I'm placed right in where I'm supposed to be (Khas homeland).

19892

I can't seem to find any software to put dot on the map. Which software did you use ?

pnb123
11-20-2017, 07:16 PM
19894
19895

poi
11-20-2017, 07:23 PM
I can't seem to find any software to put dot on the map. Which software did you use ?

I downloaded the K15V4.png file and opened it in Windows 10 Paint. As I move my cursor, it shows coordinates down in the status bar.

I can plot your point if you just give me your x,y coordinates.

poi
11-20-2017, 07:24 PM
19894
19895

Wow, your Mal'ta is even higher than mine. 45 vs 42

parasar
11-20-2017, 07:55 PM
Nice

You reckon theres a chance Ust'ishim came to the subcontinent via the east or SE (Burma), therefore was an intrusion from the East and not a relict southern coastal route migration left behind from the first migration out of Africa? It was obviously still the first major population settlement in South Asia - wonder if it lived independently to Harappa Iran neolithics until the great ANI ASI mix where they expanded north

Also as I expected the Karnataka sample is strongly Iran_Neolithic despite being Brahmin, I also expect Maratha Kshatriya Maharashtrians to be this way (not the Brahmins)

Perhaps from Kara-Bom:
"It is possible that the Ust’-Ishim individual was associated with the Asian variant of Initial Upper Paleolithic industry,documented at sites such as Kara-Bom in the Altai Mountains at about 47,000 years BP."
https://images.nature.com/original/nature-assets/nature/journal/v514/n7523/extref/nature13810-s1.pdf
http://www.eva.mpg.de/documents/Nature/Fu_Early_Nature_2015_2156396.pdf

I don't think there were any humans in South Asia in that time-frame, but E/SE Asia and Australia had.

Nevertheless, his nearest Y branch is seen in a Telugu sample:
"a lineage carried by a South Asian Telugu individual,
HG03742, enabled us to refine early differentiation within the K2a
clade ~50 kya (Fig. 1 and Supplementary Figs. 14d and 15). Using the
high resolving power of the SNVs in our phylogeny, we determined
that this lineage split off from the branch leading to haplogroups
N and O (NO) not long after the ancestors of two individuals with
well-known ancient DNA (aDNA) sequences did. Ust’-Ishim9 and
Oase1 (ref. 16) lived, respectively, in western Siberia 43–47 kya and
in Romania 37–42 kya. The Y chromosomes
of these individuals join that of HG03742
in sharing with haplogroup NO the derived
T allele at M2308 (GRCh37 Y: 7,690,182 bp),
and the modern sample shares just four additional
mutations with the NO clade." http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/escidoc:2307728/component/escidoc:2307727/Poznik.pdf

And,
"The Veddoid South Asian or Indian components were the largest components for Ust'-Ishim for all of the calculators that had such components. The second-largest components tended to be Mongoloid Southeast Asian or East Asian components ..."
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/analyses-of-the-ust-ishim-genome/

sarmadmalik88
11-23-2017, 06:24 AM
19934
19935
19936
19937
19938

Dad's side Awan , mother's side Chaudary/Gondal mix, Punjab, Pakistan

According to 23and me , I'm Paternal J-M172 and Maternal U7

sarmadmalik88
11-23-2017, 06:25 AM
19939
19940

misanthropy
01-16-2018, 05:39 AM
bump for the new guys

poi
03-10-2018, 11:02 PM
Here is my sister-in-law(Eastern Khas Nepali brahmin). She gets very high(in the 40s) Ust'Ishim, Mal'ta, and even Kostenki!

22040
https://i.imgur.com/Bl7SjQC.png

bmoney
03-11-2018, 06:18 AM
Perhaps from Kara-Bom:
"It is possible that the Ust’-Ishim individual was associated with the Asian variant of Initial Upper Paleolithic industry,documented at sites such as Kara-Bom in the Altai Mountains at about 47,000 years BP."
https://images.nature.com/original/nature-assets/nature/journal/v514/n7523/extref/nature13810-s1.pdf
http://www.eva.mpg.de/documents/Nature/Fu_Early_Nature_2015_2156396.pdf

I don't think there were any humans in South Asia in that time-frame, but E/SE Asia and Australia had.

Nevertheless, his nearest Y branch is seen in a Telugu sample:
"a lineage carried by a South Asian Telugu individual,
HG03742, enabled us to refine early differentiation within the K2a
clade ~50 kya (Fig. 1 and Supplementary Figs. 14d and 15). Using the
high resolving power of the SNVs in our phylogeny, we determined
that this lineage split off from the branch leading to haplogroups
N and O (NO) not long after the ancestors of two individuals with
well-known ancient DNA (aDNA) sequences did. Ust’-Ishim9 and
Oase1 (ref. 16) lived, respectively, in western Siberia 43–47 kya and
in Romania 37–42 kya. The Y chromosomes
of these individuals join that of HG03742
in sharing with haplogroup NO the derived
T allele at M2308 (GRCh37 Y: 7,690,182 bp),
and the modern sample shares just four additional
mutations with the NO clade." http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/escidoc:2307728/component/escidoc:2307727/Poznik.pdf

And,
"The Veddoid South Asian or Indian components were the largest components for Ust'-Ishim for all of the calculators that had such components. The second-largest components tended to be Mongoloid Southeast Asian or East Asian components ..."
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/analyses-of-the-ust-ishim-genome/

Can we say which direction Ust-Ishim went - out of SA or of external origin migrating into SA?

Considering the SE Asian component, he might have been a back-migration from a pop that went out of SA

Ebizur
03-11-2018, 07:21 AM
Can we say which direction Ust-Ishim went - out of SA or of external origin migrating into SA?

Considering the SE Asian component, he might have been a back-migration from a pop that went out of SAOne thing that seems clear about the Ust'-Ishim specimen is that some of his close patrilineal relatives must have set out on several migrations over vast distances. This range expansion "supernova" has seeded the predominant clade of Y-DNA among modern Near Oceanians (K2b1-Y25867) and the predominant clade of Y-DNA among modern Europeans, Central Asians, South Asians, indigenous Americans, and a few indigenous populations of Siberia (P1-M45) in addition to the predominant clade of Y-DNA among modern East Asians, Southeast Asians, and many populations of Siberia and northeastern Europe (NO-M214), this last clade being most closely related to the Y-DNA of the Ust'-Ishim specimen by only a very small margin.

misanthropy
10-14-2018, 05:25 AM
misanthropy_brother (V5)

Compared to me, he's getting slightly less South Asian, but more Central Asian, Caucasus, and North African.
https://i.imgur.com/no4tOsU.png

https://i.imgur.com/4tL2bx0.png

https://i.imgur.com/o8jmeDV.png

https://i.imgur.com/8wHgbiI.png

https://i.imgur.com/nWRdr7P.png

https://i.imgur.com/cvTRrRK.png

https://i.imgur.com/qrbRpF0.png

https://i.imgur.com/XoNdasE.png