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A Norfolk L-M20
07-31-2017, 07:30 PM
Well it was a painful journey. Originally ordered in March, I just missed sale prices. First sample failed. Second sample failed. Third time lucky. I guess that Ancestry kits don't like my saliva, it's the first DNA test that I've taken which didn't pass first time. Neither do you appear to jump any queues each retest, it's back to the back of the queue each time. Three attempts!

So was it worth it? Well, actually yes. The results are surprisingly good, certainly much better than 23andMe's test. Better than FT-DNA My Origins. It lacks Living DNA's British resolution, but actually, the outlaying results are not far off. In addition, of course, I finally get the Genetic Communities feature. How did they work out for me? They get my East Anglian flavour perfect, although they miss other admixes in South Central England.

My background again. As the signature says, 279 recorded direct ancestors, of which 277 appear to have lived in South-East England, including around 75% or more here in East Anglia. Smaller English clusters in South Central England (Oxon / Berks), and Lincolnshire / Northants - and a 3 x great grandfather from Switzerland. My Y-DNA is SW Asian - perhaps around Iran, but it's been here in England long enough for any Asian evidence in autosomal DNA to be washed away on all tests taken so far. More details on my known or recorded ancestry, and other DNA test results linked in my signature.

So here are my Ancestry.co.uk results, at last!

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17837&d=1501528529

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17835&d=1501528511

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17838&d=1501528537

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17840&d=1501528554

(P.s yes, I know my name is there, but thanks!).

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17839&d=1501528547

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17836&d=1501528520

MacUalraig
07-31-2017, 07:32 PM
Excellent result!

A Norfolk L-M20
07-31-2017, 07:48 PM
Excellent result!

When you consider my actual recorded genealogy:

Mother:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13310&d=1482623803

Father:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13309&d=1482623770

I'd say that the Genetic Communities feature passes my tests.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17835&d=1501528511

cvolt
07-31-2017, 08:39 PM
You say it's better than 23 and Me? Really? I tested with Ancestry and was very surprised (negatively) regarding their ethnicity estimate. I considered testing with 23 and Me next since I've heard they tend to be more accurate for Europeans. Maybe Ancestry is hit or miss... hm. Anyways, your results look great despite having such bad luck with the first attempts!

A Norfolk L-M20
07-31-2017, 08:42 PM
You say it's better than 23 and Me? Really? I tested with Ancestry and was very surprised (negatively) regarding their ethnicity estimate. I considered testing with 23 and Me next since I've heard they tend to be more accurate for Europeans. Maybe Ancestry is hit or miss... hm. Anyways, your results look great despite having such bad luck with the first attempts!

Yes, I do get better results with Living DNA, or either Ancestry.com or FT-DNA regards to my record, than I do with 23andme. Horses for courses, but the mighty 23 falls to 4th place with accuracy to my medievally admixed NW European ancestry.

sktibo
07-31-2017, 08:52 PM
Wow! I'm particularly impressed by your genetic communities, for me they are the highlight of Ancestry's test. In your case they did a great job on your ethnicity estimate too - something Ancestry seems to miss quite often on for others.
I think their Great Britain category is heavy on Southeastern English testers because mattychatty (unsure of exact username) got 99% or something crazy Great Britain and all his family are from Kent. It looks like it is the right sort of reference population for yourself.

greerpalmer
07-31-2017, 08:54 PM
The genetic communities piece really is awesome. I just wish my ancestry matches were more engaged so I could fully utilize the feature!

sktibo
07-31-2017, 09:00 PM
Although I definitely have problems with the Ancestry DNA ethnicity estimates for my family (my aunt getting 70% Europe West for example... wildly inaccurate) for myself it's still the second most accurate DNA test next to 23andme. If it can pin down that Norfolk is actually British as it has done, then that is definitely positive press for this test.

A Norfolk L-M20
07-31-2017, 09:03 PM
Although I definitely have problems with the Ancestry DNA ethnicity estimates for my family (my aunt getting 70% Europe West for example... wildly inaccurate) for myself it's still the second most accurate DNA test next to 23andme. If it can pin down that Norfolk is actually British as it has done, then that is definitely positive press for this test.

With early medieval admixture patterns as suggested by history and archaeology, it all fits perfect, with strong pull to the Continent (Anglo-Saxon, Anglo-Danish, and Normand-French) and Scandinavia (Anglo-Danish) overlapping SE England.

sktibo
07-31-2017, 09:21 PM
You say it's better than 23 and Me? Really? I tested with Ancestry and was very surprised (negatively) regarding their ethnicity estimate. I considered testing with 23 and Me next since I've heard they tend to be more accurate for Europeans. Maybe Ancestry is hit or miss... hm. Anyways, your results look great despite having such bad luck with the first attempts!

For most of us I think 23andme is the best one. I highly recommend it, especially if you're in the states and can buy their ancestry only kit. It's certainly the best in my case.

spruithean
07-31-2017, 09:39 PM
Super cool results!

I'm impressed with how well it matched you up with your genetic community!

Sassoneg
08-01-2017, 02:34 AM
Almost the exact same percentages of my grandmother - American of almost all British descent.

Our genetic communities are all zones of American immigrants though. It's really cool and so far the communities are accurate.

I also had LivingDNA and on a broad scale it matched almost exactly.

Did you small percent Jewish come up as Jewish on LivingDNA or something else?

A Norfolk L-M20
08-01-2017, 06:52 AM
Almost the exact same percentages of my grandmother - American of almost all British descent.

Our genetic communities are all zones of American immigrants though. It's really cool and so far the communities are accurate.

I also had LivingDNA and on a broad scale it matched almost exactly.

Did you small percent Jewish come up as Jewish on LivingDNA or something else?

No Jewish on Living DNA, 23andme, or FtDNA. However, Living DNA do give me that strange 9% of Tuscany.

angscoire
08-01-2017, 09:55 AM
Yes, I do get better results with Living DNA, or either Ancestry.com or FT-DNA regards to my record, than I do with 23andme. Horses for courses, but the mighty 23 falls to 4th place with accuracy to my medievally admixed NW European ancestry.

For me it's LivingDNA , 23&Me, AncestryDNA then FTDNA .
AncestryDNA were not apparently able to assign my North East English ancestry of about 30% to Britain - nor my 'core English' ancestry of about 20% to Britain either . Instead they assigned my 'English' ancestry to Europe West (34%) and Scandinavia (10%) which is way too vague and FTDNA-like for me to take it too seriously .
On the positive side, a big Irish score of 54% I guess accounts for my Scots/Irish heritage (although I have way more Scots than Irish ancestry) and they did assign me to 'Scots' and 'Southern English' genetic communities as 'possibilities' (they are in fact certainties).

Ron from PA
08-02-2017, 12:24 PM
Very interesting. You must match the reference very well. I expected you with a bunch of EW.

A Norfolk L-M20
08-02-2017, 12:42 PM
No Jewish on Living DNA, 23andme, or FtDNA. However, Living DNA do give me that strange 9% of Tuscany.

I checked again, and in the interests of accuracy, looks like on the FT-DNA My Origins (2.0) test, I did actually get traces (<2%) of both Ashkenazi and Western Middle East. I did remark at the time that there was just a faint possibility, that it could be an autosomal murmur of my Y-DNA (L-FGC51036), although no other autosomal test or calculator has supported any sign above what would be expected for an average Brit.

jonathanmcg1990
08-02-2017, 12:46 PM
Wow! I'm particularly impressed by your genetic communities, for me they are the highlight of Ancestry's test. In your case they did a great job on your ethnicity estimate too - something Ancestry seems to miss quite often on for others.
I think their Great Britain category is heavy on Southeastern English testers because mattychatty (unsure of exact username) got 99% or something crazy Great Britain and all his family are from Kent. It looks like it is the right sort of reference population for yourself.

I think their could be something in it because on LivingDNA it I add up four of my English regions (Cornwall, South East England, East Anglia and Northumbria) 22.8% my British component in Ancestry DNA 22%.

Kind Regards

Jonathan McGuinness

sktibo
08-02-2017, 04:53 PM
I think their could be something in it because on LivingDNA it I add up four of my English regions (Cornwall, South East England, East Anglia and Northumbria) 22.8% my British component in Ancestry DNA 22%.

Kind Regards

Jonathan McGuinness

That's really interesting. My GB is 73%, but my English regions, northumbria included cumbria excluded add up to 63%.

Judith
08-10-2017, 07:55 PM
Am I being thick here? Isn't the genetic communities just Ancestry matching up the family trees of our matches and then showing us all the locations of those people?
It is not some super-cool algorithm which is better than other companies, but comparing all our carefully entered data of where our ancesters were born and lived.
It actually shows the benefit of Ancestry's extrememely large database.
I am going to have to do an Ancestry test I realise just to get the links, since not everyone downloads to gedmatch, even though I do not like their copyright terms.

MacUalraig
08-10-2017, 08:03 PM
Am I being thick here? Isn't the genetic communities just Ancestry matching up the family trees of our matches and then showing us all the locations of those people?
It is not some super-cool algorithm which is better than other companies, but comparing all our carefully entered data of where our ancesters were born and lived.
It actually shows the benefit of Ancestry's extrememely large database.
I am going to have to do an Ancestry test I realise just to get the links, since not everyone downloads to gedmatch, even though I do not like their copyright terms.

The GCs are constructed purely based on DNA. Trees were only used in the second phase to locate them geographically. All been covered before and in the white paper...

A Norfolk L-M20
08-10-2017, 08:40 PM
https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help/communities/whitepaper

Robert1
08-10-2017, 11:50 PM
Your Genetic Communities results are impressive, A Norfolk L-M20. I really haven't looked at my Ancestry.com results in a long while so haven't looked at this new feature, I may be surprised. For me the most accurate is LivingDNA, then 23&Me, AncestryDNA and bringing up the rear FTDNA My Origins V1.0 then FTDNA My Origins V2.0 which certainly was no improvement.

kostoffj
08-11-2017, 06:14 PM
My Ancestry Genetic Communities result was dead-on (Germans in the Midwest), at least with the largest share of my ancestry. German ethnicity is something that a lot of ancestry calculators have trouble correctly identifying (at least for Americans with German heritage), so it was nice to see that signal come in so clear, and also particular to my family's migration history. It was nice also seeing many other people I am distant cousins with show up in that list, and it all checks out as far as our family trees are concerned. I do have other ethnicities though and Genetic Communities has not picked up on any of those, at least yet. I wonder if there will be more and finer-resolution sweeps? I feel like Ancestry has only just started tapping the massive potential in their genetic (and family tree) database.

Dibran
08-11-2017, 06:21 PM
Well it was a painful journey. Originally ordered in March, I just missed sale prices. First sample failed. Second sample failed. Third time lucky. I guess that Ancestry kits don't like my saliva, it's the first DNA test that I've taken which didn't pass first time. Neither do you appear to jump any queues each retest, it's back to the back of the queue each time. Three attempts!

So was it worth it? Well, actually yes. The results are surprisingly good, certainly much better than 23andMe's test. Better than FT-DNA My Origins. It lacks Living DNA's British resolution, but actually, the outlaying results are not far off. In addition, of course, I finally get the Genetic Communities feature. How did they work out for me? They get my East Anglian flavour perfect, although they miss other admixes in South Central England.

My background again. As the signature says, 279 recorded direct ancestors, of which 277 appear to have lived in South-East England, including around 75% or more here in East Anglia. Smaller English clusters in South Central England (Oxon / Berks), and Lincolnshire / Northants - and a 3 x great grandfather from Switzerland. My Y-DNA is SW Asian - perhaps around Iran, but it's been here in England long enough for any Asian evidence in autosomal DNA to be washed away on all tests taken so far. More details on my known or recorded ancestry, and other DNA test results linked in my signature.

So here are my Ancestry.co.uk results, at last!

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17837&d=1501528529

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17835&d=1501528511

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17838&d=1501528537

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17840&d=1501528554

(P.s yes, I know my name is there, but thanks!).

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17839&d=1501528547

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17836&d=1501528520

I am sending my kit in shortly. I look forward to my results!