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Nqp15hhu
08-01-2017, 02:05 AM
I have just received my Ancestry DNA results, I am from Northern Ireland. Most of my Ancestry is Irish, but a considerable proportion (30%) is from the Ulster Scots community; this was confirmed by my two Genetic Communities: Ulster Irish and Scots.

My results were surprising in that I scored 88% Irish and 0% Great Britain, with various other regions in Mainland Europe contributing to 10% of the remaining European total. This was surprising in itself as I have received a Genetic Community in Scotland.

What would be the reason for this? Is it possible that the Irish is mixed with Scots or is this 88% figure realistic? I would've thought the typical Irish person would record 2-3% GB irrespective of my Ulster Scots ancestry/heritage. So to me it is amazing that I have recorded 0% GB.

What is going on here?

Sassoneg
08-01-2017, 02:21 AM
The western Scots probably are scoring very Celtic.

Irish clans the Romans called Scoti had taken over western Scotland at that time. During the plantation times some of them came back to Northern Ireland for land/opportunity. It's probably hard to tell and I think Ancestry.com calls almost all Celtic as Irish.

Nqp15hhu
08-01-2017, 02:33 AM
Why the 0% Great Britain though? Would you not expect at least 2-3%? Is there anything I can do to clarify this?

As I said, it seems odd not to score GB given the trace results in more distant ethnic backgrounds e.g Melanesian and South Asian.

JMcB
08-01-2017, 02:45 AM
Why the 0% Great Britain though? Would you not expect at least 2-3%? Is there anything I can do to clarify this?

As I said, it seems odd not to score GB given the trace results in more distant ethnic backgrounds e.g Melanesian and South Asian.

Hello Nqp15hhu,

Hopefully, this will help.


https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/files/2017/01/Irish-DNA-region.png

If you look at the map (above) you will see that although the Irish estimate primarily represents ancestry from Ireland, it also covers many neighbouring parts of the world – Scotland, Wales, England and parts of North Western Europe. The reason for this is that individuals in this region of the world have moved around a great deal over the past several hundred years — and they’ve taken their DNA with them. This means that often times, even people with deep roots in a given area can still have a signature of Irish ancestry in their ethnicity estimate, particularly if that area is close to Ireland ...

AncestryDNA – The Irish Connection
https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/01/25/ancestrydna-the-irish-connection/


Another thing to keep in mind, is that Ancestry's results are suppose to reflect a time period dating back "thousands of years ago," so recent ancestry may not alway strictly apply. Although in your case, this isn't really relevant to the question in hand.

Nqp15hhu
08-01-2017, 03:26 AM
Thanks. I really don't know, i'm new to this so i'm just going along.

In terms of Gedmatch, I received the following, for Single Population Sharing in the Eurogenes K13:
1. Irish. 3.55.
2. West Scottish. 4.2.
3. Orcadian. 4.62.
4. SouthWest England. 4.7.
5. North Dutch. 5.68.

Interesting that the West Scotland appeared, I guess maybe you may be right? Do those figures suggest my most similar Ancestry groups or are they my most prevalent?

sktibo
08-01-2017, 05:06 AM
Did you get Europe West? Gets mixed up with GB pretty consistently on Ancestry.

MacUalraig
08-01-2017, 06:17 AM
I have just received my Ancestry DNA results, I am from Northern Ireland. Most of my Ancestry is Irish, but a considerable proportion (30%) is from the Ulster Scots community; this was confirmed by my two Genetic Communities: Ulster Irish and Scots.

My results were surprising in that I scored 88% Irish and 0% Great Britain, with various other regions in Mainland Europe contributing to 10% of the remaining European total. This was surprising in itself as I have received a Genetic Community in Scotland.

What would be the reason for this? Is it possible that the Irish is mixed with Scots or is this 88% figure realistic? I would've thought the typical Irish person would record 2-3% GB irrespective of my Ulster Scots ancestry/heritage. So to me it is amazing that I have recorded 0% GB.

What is going on here?

I would focus on the more recent GCs and pretty much ignore the older Ethnicity scores. What probability ratings did you get for your GC membership and how many matches within them?

sktibo
08-01-2017, 06:28 AM
I would focus on the more recent GCs and pretty much ignore the older Ethnicity scores. What probability ratings did you get for your GC membership and how many matches within them?

I just want to second this. The GC's appear to be very accurate

Nqp15hhu
08-01-2017, 10:19 AM
Ulster Irish: 99 Matches.
Scots: 33 Matches.

Dubhthach
08-01-2017, 10:19 AM
Did you get Europe West? Gets mixed up with GB pretty consistently on Ancestry.

If this is same poster that is on boards.ie thread (which I think it is), he got 3% West European.

Nqp15hhu
08-01-2017, 10:21 AM
Did you get Europe West? Gets mixed up with GB pretty consistently on Ancestry.

Yes, but only 5%. Still doesn't match up with the 30%. I'm still shocked at this figure.

I have watched many/looked at Irish people and most do record GB, so I can't fathom why I haven't, it's seriously bizarre.

I will say all of my regions outside Ireland have a range that starts at 0%, so i'm not sure if the regions are even accurate.

Dubhthach
08-01-2017, 10:52 AM
Yes, but only 5%. Still doesn't match up with the 30%. I'm still shocked at this figure.

I have watched many/looked at Irish people and most do record GB, so I can't fathom why I haven't, it's seriously bizarre.

I will say all of my regions outside Ireland have a range that starts at 0%, so i'm not sure if the regions are even accurate.

Well the 30% is the probability of matching the Scots community and not the percentage of your genetic sample that matches them. Basically you show affinity with them but it's low enough probability (30%), what this might reflect is that some of your 'Irish' component might show up alot in people belonging to the Scots community etc.

Nqp15hhu
08-01-2017, 12:58 PM
So, I don't have Scottish ancestry at all then?

Some surnames in my Paternal line, relatively close: Smith, Black, Irwin, Sinclair, Thompson.

I know this is only 30% of my lineage, but it is enough to show up I feel. Although it's possible, I haven't been passed down all that much.

It would be interesting to see what my sisters results would say.

Jessie
08-04-2017, 07:59 AM
Ancestry explains that Ireland is found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales but also England and France. It's not just Irish.

Jessie
08-04-2017, 08:00 AM
So, I don't have Scottish ancestry at all then?

Some surnames in my Paternal line, relatively close: Smith, Black, Irwin, Sinclair, Thompson.

I know this is only 30% of my lineage, but it is enough to show up I feel. Although it's possible, I haven't been passed down all that much.

It would be interesting to see what my sisters results would say.

You undoubtedly have Scots ancestry it is just in your Ireland percentage.

Dubhthach
08-04-2017, 08:58 AM
Perhaps an approrpriate quote from Father Ted would be
'that would be an ecumenical matter' ;)

http://amicus.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Father-Ted-Recruitment-Ireland-Jobs.png

Nqp15hhu
08-04-2017, 10:08 PM
You undoubtedly have Scots ancestry it is just in your Ireland percentage.

Yeah, I suppose. It'll be interesting to see if AncestryDNA splits up their samples into more of a substantial regional breakdown in future.

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what size their "native" sample populations are for each UK and Ireland region?