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firemonkey
08-02-2017, 04:10 PM
puntDNAL K10 ancient

Living dna

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Egyptian @ 2.656394
2 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Estonian + Egyptian @ 2.849578
3 Lithuanian + Belarusian + German_North + Sicilian @ 2.850310
4 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Scottish_West + Sicilian @ 2.862540
5 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Scottish_West + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.868032
6 Lithuanian + Estonian + Norwegian + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.869686
7 Estonian + Belarusian + German_North + Sicilian @ 2.875220
8 Lithuanian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.909446
9 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Icelandic + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.915733
10 Lithuanian + Estonian + Icelandic + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.915822
11 Lithuanian + Norwegian + Scottish_West + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.918502
12 Lithuanian + Estonian + Scottish_West + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.927848
13 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Utahn_white + Sicilian @ 2.929402
14 Lithuanian + Belarusian + English_South + Sicilian @ 2.934027
15 Lithuanian + Estonian + German_North + Sicilian @ 2.938268
16 Lithuanian + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Sicilian @ 2.939883
17 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.943380
18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.945416
19 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.945691
20 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Czech + Sicilian @ 2.946791


23andMe- original gedmatch

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 1.295627
2 Estonian + Estonian + English_South + Sicilian @ 1.479182
3 Estonian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 1.501349
4 Estonian + Icelandic + French + Bulgarian @ 1.516326
5 Icelandic + Scottish_West + Scottish_West + Bulgarian @ 1.525627
6 Estonian + Estonian + Icelandic + Sephardic_Jew @ 1.539889
7 Icelandic + Icelandic + English_South + Bulgarian @ 1.543452
8 Estonian + Icelandic + Belarusian + Sicilian @ 1.547389
9 Estonian + Icelandic + English_South + Italian_South @ 1.556155
10 Estonian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 1.590886
11 Estonian + Irish + Croatian + French @ 1.592526
12 Estonian + Icelandic + English_South + Greek @ 1.593835
13 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Italian_South @ 1.598097
14 Estonian + Scottish_West + Irish + Italian_North @ 1.614332
15 Estonian + Estonian + Scottish_West + Sicilian @ 1.617627
16 English_South + English_South + English_South + English_South @ 1.617803
17 Estonian + Scottish_West + Scottish_West + Italian_South @ 1.626137
18 Estonian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Italian_South @ 1.629145
19 Estonian + Norwegian + English_South + Italian_South @ 1.638996
20 Estonian + Icelandic + English_South + Tuscan @ 1.642493

FTDNA-genesis


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Italian_South @ 2.140841
2 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.149433
3 Estonian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 2.163740
4 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Sicilian @ 2.167754
5 Estonian + Icelandic + English_South + Italian_South @ 2.202637
6 Estonian + Estonian + Icelandic + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.223082
7 Icelandic + Icelandic + Irish + Bulgarian @ 2.244049
8 Estonian + Estonian + English_South + Sicilian @ 2.256659
9 Icelandic + Icelandic + English_South + Bulgarian @ 2.257502
10 Icelandic + Scottish_West + Scottish_West + Bulgarian @ 2.286350
11 Estonian + Estonian + Irish + Sicilian @ 2.314991
12 Estonian + Icelandic + French + Bulgarian @ 2.315406
13 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.321173
14 Estonian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 2.335084
15 Estonian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Italian_South @ 2.337147
16 Estonian + Scottish_West + Scottish_West + Italian_South @ 2.338372
17 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Sicilian @ 2.355644
18 Estonian + Scottish_West + Irish + Italian_North @ 2.356825
19 Estonian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Sicilian @ 2.359248
20 Estonian + Norwegian + Irish + Italian_South @ 2.368557

Dna land(Ancestry kit)-genesis

1 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Italian_South @ 2.154150
2 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.199912
3 Estonian + Estonian + Icelandic + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.216038
4 Estonian + Estonian + Irish + Sicilian @ 2.224817
5 Estonian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Sicilian @ 2.284616
6 Estonian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 2.292139
7 Estonian + Estonian + Utahn_white + Sicilian @ 2.314570
8 Estonian + Norwegian + Irish + Italian_South @ 2.323319
9 Estonian + Estonian + English_South + Sicilian @ 2.333156
10 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Sicilian @ 2.347248
11 Icelandic + Icelandic + Irish + Bulgarian @ 2.351985
12 Estonian + Icelandic + English_South + Italian_South @ 2.357371
13 Estonian + Icelandic + Ukrainian + Sicilian @ 2.364299
14 Estonian + Irish + Irish + Italian_North @ 2.367478
15 Estonian + Norwegian + Scottish_West + Sicilian @ 2.384676
16 Icelandic + Scottish_West + English_South + Bulgarian @ 2.390436
17 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.396451
18 Icelandic + Scottish_West + Irish + Bulgarian @ 2.408540
19 Estonian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 2.408987
20 Estonian + English_South + Irish + Italian_North @ 2.411542


My heritage-genesis

1 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Italian_South @ 2.105829
2 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Sicilian @ 2.143929
3 Estonian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 2.160502
4 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Ashkenazi_Jew @ 2.196279
5 Estonian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Sicilian @ 2.228010
6 Icelandic + Icelandic + Irish + Bulgarian @ 2.232610
7 Estonian + Icelandic + English_South + Italian_South @ 2.243708
8 Estonian + Estonian + Icelandic + Sephardic_Jew @ 2.300307
9 Estonian + Icelandic + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.328636
10 Icelandic + Icelandic + English_South + Bulgarian @ 2.334931
11 Icelandic + Scottish_West + English_South + Bulgarian @ 2.343802
12 Estonian + Estonian + Irish + Sicilian @ 2.349555
13 Estonian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Sicilian @ 2.350476
14 Estonian + Norwegian + Irish + Italian_South @ 2.350883
15 Lithuanian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Southwest @ 2.364094
16 Estonian + Estonian + English_South + Sicilian @ 2.375217
17 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + Sicilian @ 2.376326
18 Estonian + Icelandic + Ukrainian + Sicilian @ 2.377999
19 Estonian + English_South + Irish + Italian_North @ 2.378389
20 Estonian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Southwest @ 2.381276

Perhaps puntDNAL K10 is just crap as well.

Sassoneg
08-02-2017, 04:35 PM
My LivingDNA Genesis seemed more accurate than my Ancestry.com Genesis.

What about the results of other calculators like Eurogenes or MDLP?

Pylsteen
08-02-2017, 04:59 PM
I'm not sure what you are saying here, because all of those mixtures look the same. PuntDNAL K10 uses in my case only 7600 snps, whereas the K15 uses 30000. Eurogenes K13 uses more than 50000.

PuntDNAL K10:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
1 Lithuanian + Estonian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.180280
2 Estonian + Estonian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.253958
3 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.275709
4 Estonian + Belarusian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.308681
etc...

firemonkey
08-02-2017, 05:23 PM
My LivingDNA Genesis seemed more accurate than my Ancestry.com Genesis.

What about the results of other calculators like Eurogenes or MDLP?


Eurogenes is in line with Ancestry etc. MDLP 16 gives quite different results.

firemonkey
08-02-2017, 05:25 PM
I'm not sure what you are saying here, because all of those mixtures look the same. PuntDNAL K10 uses in my case only 7600 snps, whereas the K15 uses 30000. Eurogenes K13 uses more than 50000.

PuntDNAL K10:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
1 Lithuanian + Estonian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.180280
2 Estonian + Estonian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.253958
3 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.275709
4 Estonian + Belarusian + Basque_Spanish + Syrian @ 3.308681
etc...

K10 uses just under 7600 in my case. Might explain the strange results.

Xtian
08-03-2017, 08:56 AM
Unless you know you have recent mixed heritage, the 4 population oracles should be seen as a bit of fun only.

You are looking at a fairly simple mathematical formula trying to create 'you' by mashing numbers together.

I would definitely take the 4th pop with a pinch of salt.

Very few, if any, people will be 100% of anything.

On another note, using Gedmatch has taught me that companies like LDNA, Ancestry, 23 and Me all go about DNA testing the wrong way.

Really you should get your results as a piechart and you should be compared to 'typical' results of another nationalities.

For example, I am Russian- LDNA has given me 10% Southern Italian and 5% Turkish. I dont really know what this means,
But If LDNA displayed average Piecharts of Admixture of Russians I could compare mine to the average. It could be completely typical.

Likewise, if a Brit returned say 15% Scandinavian, that most likely does not mean that have a recent Scandinavian ancestor but instead it could be pretty typical.

I repeat no one is going to score 100% in anything.

firemonkey
08-03-2017, 09:36 AM
@Xtian reading your comments about 4 Pop, and thinking about the way admixture calculators struggle to distinguish ancestry at a sub continental level , strengthens my suspicions that much of autosomal analysis is an educated persons equivalent of constructing a horoscope.

Of course I accept I could be wrong and that data spread over several Gedmatch calculators may point to a pattern with regards to secondary ancestries. If so I' m not really skilled enough to make that analysis.

Xtian
08-03-2017, 09:56 AM
You are correct about pattern spotting

Thats all you should be doing when using Gedmatch.

I'll give you an example about me, when I use Eurogenes or MDLP I always get a lot of results for Caucasus peoples. I think its likely I have a fairly recent Caucasian ancestor and LDNA are merging it with Southern European and Turkish.
I also seem to have higher than normal Finno-Ugric (Erzya/Mordvin).

Ive highlighted in Bold all my plausible matches for Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 44.29
2 North_Atlantic 22.33
3 West_Med 14.57
4 West_Asian 12.67
5 Siberian 2.8
6 Amerindian 1.81
7 South_Asian 0.63
8 Northeast_African 0.6
9 East_Asian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.97
2 Ukrainian 9.36
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.64
4 Southwest_Russian 10.29
5 Kargopol_Russian 10.81
6 Russian_Smolensk 11.07
7 Polish 11.1
8 South_Polish 11.42
9 Erzya 11.46
10 Estonian_Polish 12.05
11 Croatian 12.73
12 Belorussian 13.46
13 Moldavian 13.68
14 Lithuanian 14.65
15 Estonian 15.65
16 East_Finnish 16.95
17 Finnish 17.23
18 Hungarian 17.5
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.37
20 Tatar 18.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.2% Lithuanian + 21.8% Balkar @ 7.72
2 77.4% Lithuanian + 22.6% Kabardin @ 7.82
3 79.6% Lithuanian + 20.4% Ossetian @ 7.85
4 57.3% Erzya + 42.7% Moldavian @ 7.88
5 66.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.9% Erzya @ 7.9
6 84.7% Russian_Smolensk + 15.3% Kabardin @ 7.96
7 85.3% Russian_Smolensk + 14.7% Balkar @ 7.96
8 54.7% Erzya + 45.3% Croatian @ 7.96
9 88.2% Kargopol_Russian + 11.8% Georgian @ 8.01
10 87% Erzya + 13% Sardinian @ 8.04

Xtian
08-03-2017, 10:01 AM
Also, I can infer that I am more mixed than I am aware of due to the high score even on my best match (8.97). I have seen people with less than 3 or 2 on K13 for their top result.

firemonkey
08-03-2017, 10:38 AM
The only pattern I have been able to see, which very much ties in with my paper ancestry, is that I am very much British/Irish. As for other,minor/secondary, ancestries I'm not at all sure.
The problem is speculating on unknown ancestry from known ancestry . Basically I don't have a clue what distant non British may be lurking in my unknown ancestry , and what to take seriously and what to ignore.

For me it seems the mixed mode secondary populations and 4 population approximations are all over the place .

For example I get the following % of occurrences for 4 pop with 3 calculators but it doesn't seem to be replicated with other calculators. Could it be seen as a pattern or is too little to suggest a pattern?


Dodecad world 9: Lithuanian 11.25 Polish 10 Belorussian 6.25
Dodecad 7b : Lithuanian 20 Polish 16.25 Belorussian 5
puntDNAL 15 : Belorussian 12.5 Polish 6.25 Lithuanian 3 .75

I am no geographer but I think these countries are situated near to each other.

FionnSneachta
08-03-2017, 04:28 PM
Using the PuntDNAL K10 I got German_North as my top result at 2.77. Irish came in at number 7 at 5.20. I don't know what this means since it's meant to be ancient. How ancient? My brother's been told that he looks German though and that a lady in a shop thought he was a foreigner so it's interesting to get that result.

firemonkey
08-03-2017, 05:32 PM
Using punt10 English south is my top population in oracle 4 for 23andMe data using standard gedmatch. With Living dna data it is also English south.

Pylsteen
08-03-2017, 05:37 PM
Wow, I only now discover that below "Oracle", mixed mode exists; the Eurogenes K13 is quite impressive, if you ask me.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.8% South_Dutch + 4.2% Dai @ 3.22
2 95.1% South_Dutch + 4.9% Malay @ 3.22
3 95.3% South_Dutch + 4.7% Cambodian @ 3.25
4 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Vietnamese @ 3.27
5 95.6% South_Dutch + 4.4% Lahu @ 3.38
etc.

greerpalmer
08-03-2017, 06:47 PM
Wow, I only now discover that below "Oracle", mixed mode exists; the Eurogenes K13 is quite impressive, if you ask me.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.8% South_Dutch + 4.2% Dai @ 3.22
2 95.1% South_Dutch + 4.9% Malay @ 3.22
3 95.3% South_Dutch + 4.7% Cambodian @ 3.25
4 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Vietnamese @ 3.27
5 95.6% South_Dutch + 4.4% Lahu @ 3.38
etc.

I've always found Mixed Mode works for people who are admixed with close populations on multiple grand parents.

JerryS.
08-03-2017, 06:50 PM
serious question here.... since autosomal DNA can give mixed results, how accurate would a Y DNA test be at determining your father's ethnicity with regards to his mother's side?

Pylsteen
08-03-2017, 07:06 PM
serious question here.... since autosomal DNA can give mixed results, how accurate would a Y DNA test be at determining your father's ethnicity with regards to his mother's side?


If your father is mixed, then Y-DNA would not be able to say something sensible about his mother's ancestry; in my own case, my Y-DNA haplogroup doesn't tell me anything about the East-Asian ancestors of my paternal grandmother. My father's X-chromosome would probably be able to tell so, but I I did not inherit that one. Only autosomal DNA would be able to tell about ethnic background, but it would be difficult, without testing your father or grandmother, to tell who was responsible for transmitting certain pieces of DNA.

greerpalmer
08-03-2017, 07:11 PM
serious question here.... since autosomal DNA can give mixed results, how accurate would a Y DNA test be at determining your father's ethnicity with regards to his mother's side?

In Addition to what Pylsteen said, Y testing provides no true insight specific to ethnicity. Most of our haplogroups go back at least 3000 years, so the ethnic implications of the single individual that passed on that haplogroup are likely insignificant. Now thats not to say Y haplogroups are worthless and can't be directional. Based on density and migration patterns of that haplogroup you can learn a lot, I just wouldn't consider it "ethnicity."

EDIT:
My Y Haplogroup is best known in the Balkan region. My paternal ancestors came from Prussia where the haplogroup is present in about 3-4% of males. Is that to say I'm not Balkan? Most tests say I am in small portions; however, I have no reason to believe these Balkan parts came from that specific line.

FionnSneachta
08-03-2017, 09:07 PM
Wow, I only now discover that below "Oracle", mixed mode exists; the Eurogenes K13 is quite impressive, if you ask me..

I agree. Out of all of them Eurogenes K13 seems to be the most accurate for my background anyway.

sktibo
08-03-2017, 10:18 PM
I agree. Out of all of them Eurogenes K13 seems to be the most accurate for my background anyway.

Same here. I suspect you're not alone. K13 does a fantastic job on myself.

Mike_G
08-03-2017, 10:55 PM
Same here. I suspect you're not alone. K13 does a fantastic job on myself.

Something strange happened with my results. On Gedmatch/23andme MDLP calcs were most accurate, and Eurogenes was off. I found the reverse on Genesis/LDNA.

MacEochaidh
08-04-2017, 12:25 AM
This what I get on puntDNAL 10 with LivingDNA upload:

1 Irish 6.17
2 Croatian 6.63
3 Hungarian 6.99
4 Utahn_white 7.05
5 English_South 7.31
6 German_South 8.1
7 German_North 8.61
8 Czech 8.75
9 Scottish_West 9.65
10 French 10.53

And with Ancestry upload:

1 Hungarian 2.73
2 Croatian 2.94
3 Irish 3.67
4 Utahn_white 4.47
5 German_South 4.97
6 English_South 5.69
7 German_North 7
8 Czech 7.8
9 French 8.1

So, in my case, the LivingDNA Genisis) was more accurate. I am 75% Irish and 25% French Canadian.

JerryS.
08-04-2017, 01:43 AM
This what I get on puntDNAL 10 with LivingDNA upload:

1 Irish 6.17
2 Croatian 6.63
3 Hungarian 6.99
4 Utahn_white 7.05
5 English_South 7.31
6 German_South 8.1
7 German_North 8.61
8 Czech 8.75
9 Scottish_West 9.65
10 French 10.53

And with Ancestry upload:

1 Hungarian 2.73
2 Croatian 2.94
3 Irish 3.67
4 Utahn_white 4.47
5 German_South 4.97
6 English_South 5.69
7 German_North 7
8 Czech 7.8
9 French 8.1

So, in my case, the LivingDNA Genisis) was more accurate. I am 75% Irish and 25% French Canadian.


wait, you're 75% Irish and 25% French, but Ancestry has you as closer to Hungarian and Croatian than Irish? and then both of those again before Scottish_west and French? how is that accurate?

MacEochaidh
08-04-2017, 01:54 AM
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MacEochaidh
08-04-2017, 01:55 AM
wait, you're 75% Irish and 25% French, but Ancestry has you as closer to Hungarian and Croatian than Irish? and then both of those again before Scottish_west and French? how is that accurate?

I wrote that the LivingDNA score (not AncestryDNA) was more accurate with Irish as number one. As far as AncestryDNA goes, it does very well with other tools on GedMatch.

JerryS.
08-04-2017, 03:14 AM
I wrote that the LivingDNA score (not AncestryDNA) was more accurate with Irish as number one. As far as AncestryDNA goes, it does very well with other tools on GedMatch.

yes, I saw that. my point was how far out of bounds Ancestry's ethnicity estimate was for you.... Croatian well before Irish seems like they don't have a very good reference pool or bad calculators...

MacEochaidh
08-04-2017, 03:50 AM
yes, I saw that. my point was how far out of bounds Ancestry's ethnicity estimate was for you.... Croatian well before Irish seems like they don't have a very good reference pool or bad calculators...

For me, AncestryDNA does fine on their own site and on most calculators. I usually use Eurogene Calculators and Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23andMe all do well, pretty much exactly the same.

Amerijoe
08-04-2017, 04:06 AM
Genesis.Gematch

Livingdna Results

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

1 English_South @ 2.855489
2 Utahn_white @ 2.869791
3 Czech @ 3.851024
4 Irish @ 4.343427
5 German_South @ 4.411164
6 German_North @ 4.701705
7 Scottish_West @ 5.001119
8 Croatian @ 5.258999
9 Hungarian @ 6.722484
10 Icelandic @ 7.711279

Ancestry Results

puntDNAL K10 Ancient

1 German_South @ 1.533377
2 Utahn_white @ 2.535538
3 Croatian @ 2.541326
4 Irish @ 4.366453
5 English_South @ 4.499539
6 Hungarian @ 4.919238
7 French @ 5.566054
8 Czech @ 6.150221
9 German_North @ 6.429894
10 Scottish_West @ 7.929029

FTDNA Results

puntDNAL K10 Ancient

1 German_South @ 2.014842
2 Utahn_white @ 2.314163
3 Croatian @ 2.397515
4 Irish @ 3.905125
5 English_South @ 4.230368
6 Hungarian @ 4.666406
7 German_North @ 6.010924
8 Czech @ 6.098944
9 French @ 6.129162
10 Scottish_West @ 7.605461


Livingdna 94.3%. GB&I
Ancestry 96.0%. GB&I
FTDNA 98.0% British Isles.

Who's the closest? Your guess will be equally as good as mine.

JerryS.
08-04-2017, 04:17 AM
how much weight are you folks putting into the single pollution model when you know your own population model is made up of varied groups?

Xtian
08-04-2017, 08:39 AM
why are you all using Puntdnal? Its one of the least accurate

Eurogenes is by far superior, second in MDLP.

firemonkey
08-04-2017, 09:36 AM
I am wondering how 'accurate' is defined. I'm guessing based on how it matches to known ancestry as we can only speculate about unknown ancestry ..
If so Eurogenes K13 and K15 are good as they capture my British ancestry.

firemonkey
08-04-2017, 09:37 AM
I am wondering how 'accurate' is defined. I'm guessing based on how it matches to known ancestry as we can only speculate about unknown ancestry ..
If so Eurogenes K13 and K15 are good as they capture my British ancestry.

USA4981
08-04-2017, 04:02 PM
PA738943P1 I think Living DNA
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 53.88
2 CHG 23.76
3 ENF 22.36


Finished reading population data. 108 populations found.
10 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Norwegian @ 2.387267
2 Icelandic @ 2.535761
3 Scottish_West @ 3.501810
4 Czech @ 4.964148
5 German_North @ 5.633232
6 Ukrainian @ 6.281826
7 English_South @ 6.761328
8 Belarusian @ 7.780718
9 Irish @ 8.600626
10 Utahn_white @ 8.605043
11 Estonian @ 10.404038
12 German_South @ 11.019521
13 Hungarian @ 11.112502
14 Croatian @ 11.328018
15 Lithuanian @ 11.748200
16 Finnish @ 12.003755
17 Mordovian @ 13.987954
18 Russian @ 14.196079
19 French @ 15.247222
20 Bulgarian @ 21.412836

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +50% Norwegian @ 2.141760


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +25% Icelandic +25% German_North @ 1.833352


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_North @ 1.833352
2 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + German_North @ 1.843081
3 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_South @ 1.856445
4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + German_North + Spanish_Northeast @ 2.002545
5 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + German_North @ 2.016266
6 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + French @ 2.025212
7 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Scottish_West @ 2.028999
8 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + Scottish_West @ 2.059197
9 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Czech @ 2.091887
10 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + French @ 2.095665
11 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + German_South @ 2.110412
12 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.141760
13 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + Scottish_West @ 2.160066
14 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + Czech @ 2.168576
15 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + Czech @ 2.168973
16 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + German_South @ 2.182941
17 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.190168
18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Scottish_West + Spanish_Northeast @ 2.206255
19 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_South @ 2.211391
20 Icelandic + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Scottish_West @ 2.232841

USA4981
08-04-2017, 04:39 PM
PA738943P1 I think Living DNA
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 53.88
2 CHG 23.76
3 ENF 22.36


Finished reading population data. 108 populations found.
10 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Norwegian @ 2.387267
2 Icelandic @ 2.535761
3 Scottish_West @ 3.501810
4 Czech @ 4.964148
5 German_North @ 5.633232
6 Ukrainian @ 6.281826
7 English_South @ 6.761328
8 Belarusian @ 7.780718
9 Irish @ 8.600626
10 Utahn_white @ 8.605043
11 Estonian @ 10.404038
12 German_South @ 11.019521
13 Hungarian @ 11.112502
14 Croatian @ 11.328018
15 Lithuanian @ 11.748200
16 Finnish @ 12.003755
17 Mordovian @ 13.987954
18 Russian @ 14.196079
19 French @ 15.247222
20 Bulgarian @ 21.412836

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +50% Norwegian @ 2.141760


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +25% Icelandic +25% German_North @ 1.833352


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_North @ 1.833352
2 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + German_North @ 1.843081
3 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_South @ 1.856445
4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + German_North + Spanish_Northeast @ 2.002545
5 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + German_North @ 2.016266
6 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + French @ 2.025212
7 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Scottish_West @ 2.028999
8 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + Scottish_West @ 2.059197
9 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Czech @ 2.091887
10 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + French @ 2.095665
11 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + German_South @ 2.110412
12 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.141760
13 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + Scottish_West @ 2.160066
14 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + Czech @ 2.168576
15 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + Czech @ 2.168973
16 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Scottish_West + German_South @ 2.182941
17 Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.190168
18 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Scottish_West + Spanish_Northeast @ 2.206255
19 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_South @ 2.211391
20 Icelandic + Icelandic + Scottish_West + Scottish_West @ 2.232841

7 English_South @ 6.761328
9 Irish @ 8.600626
16 Finnish @ 12.003755
19 French @ 15.247222
1 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_North @ 1.833352
2 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + German_North @ 1.843081
3 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_South @ 1.856445
10 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + French @ 2.095665
11 Lithuanian + Icelandic + Norwegian + German_South @ 2.110412
12 Icelandic + Icelandic + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.141760
13 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + Scottish_West @ 2.160066
19 Estonian + Icelandic + Icelandic + German_South @ 2.211391
Do the lower numbers like "13 Icelandic + Icelandic + Icelandic + Scottish_West @ 2.160066" or the higher ones 9 Irish @ 8.600626 closer or further? What do the number mean?

FionnSneachta
08-04-2017, 06:29 PM
I wrote that the LivingDNA score (not AncestryDNA) was more accurate with Irish as number one. As far as AncestryDNA goes, it does very well with other tools on GedMatch.

My result with German_North as my highest result was using AncestryDNA data. Now I'd be interested to know what Living DNA would give me. I did upload my Living DNA data to GEDmatch but once I did I suddenly starting getting spam. I definitely knew it was because of GEDmatch because a person apparently from Italy had GEDmatch Genesis in the subject field and was talking about an inheritance fund so I wanted them to delete my file. I got no more spam once it was deleted so I'm hesitant to re-upload since it felt like I was matching with people that I wasn't actually related to.

C J Wyatt III
08-04-2017, 07:03 PM
My result with German_North as my highest result was using AncestryDNA data. Now I'd be interested to know what Living DNA would give me. I did upload my Living DNA data to GEDmatch but once I did I suddenly starting getting spam. I definitely knew it was because of GEDmatch because a person apparently from Italy had GEDmatch Genesis in the subject field and was talking about an inheritance fund so I wanted them to delete my file. I got no more spam once it was deleted so I'm hesitant to re-upload since it felt like I was matching with people that I wasn't actually related to.

I think all of us got that email. I did not do anything and I have not received any more spam.

Jack

Pylsteen
08-04-2017, 08:19 PM
I did not get a mail, but I do think it is better if they just change all email addresses into "contact forms" which do not explitly show the addresses.

chelle
08-04-2017, 09:13 PM
You guys got me curious about the mixed population feature and my dad's results led me to looking up all the various secondary populations listed. I love how many different groups of people, traditions and landscapes there are in the world. Here are his Eurogene K13 results.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Burusho @ 2.67
2 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Kalash @ 2.68
3 94.4% Southwest_English + 5.6% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.8
4 94.5% Southwest_English + 5.5% Pathan @ 2.8
5 94% Southwest_English + 6% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.91
6 95% Southwest_English + 5% Balochi @ 2.93
7 95.1% Southwest_English + 4.9% Sindhi @ 2.94
8 93.4% Southwest_English + 6.6% Tadjik @ 2.95
9 95.2% Southwest_English + 4.8% Brahui @ 2.96
10 94% Southwest_English + 6% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.02
11 95.4% Southwest_English + 4.6% Gujarati @ 3.03
12 95.1% Southwest_English + 4.9% Brahmin_UP @ 3.09
13 95.4% Southwest_English + 4.6% Kshatriya @ 3.1
14 95.3% Southwest_English + 4.7% Makrani @ 3.11
15 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Dharkar @ 3.2
16 95.6% Southwest_English + 4.4% Bangladeshi @ 3.21
17 96% Southwest_English + 4% Kanjar @ 3.23
18 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Kabardin @ 3.26
19 91.6% Southwest_English + 8.4% Tatar @ 3.27
20 93.8% Southwest_English + 6.2% Nogay @ 3.27

chelle
08-04-2017, 09:26 PM
Here are my k13 population mixed results. 23andme, living dna on genesis, and Ancestrydna

23andme:


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% French + 6.8% Kabardin @ 2.31
2 93.3% French + 6.7% Chechen @ 2.38
3 93.7% French + 6.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.4
4 93.5% French + 6.5% Balkar @ 2.44
5 92.6% French + 7.4% Nogay @ 2.45
6 93.3% French + 6.7% Tabassaran @ 2.48
7 93.6% French + 6.4% Lezgin @ 2.49
8 93.7% French + 6.3% Adygei @ 2.49
9 93.9% French + 6.1% Ossetian @ 2.52
10 93.4% French + 6.6% Kumyk @ 2.54
11 93.5% French + 6.5% Tadjik @ 2.68
12 94.8% French + 5.2% Georgian @ 2.74
13 94.1% French + 5.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.76
14 95.1% French + 4.9% Abhkasian @ 2.77
15 91.6% French + 8.4% Tatar @ 2.83
16 94.5% French + 5.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.84
17 94% French + 6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.85
18 95.7% French + 4.3% Brahui @ 2.85
19 95.6% French + 4.4% Balochi @ 2.85
20 95.5% French + 4.5% Makrani @ 2.88

livingdna on genesis:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.5% Spanish_Galicia + 45.5% North_German @ 3.53
2 56.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 43.6% Swedish @ 3.62
3 50.2% North_German + 49.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.73
4 61% Spanish_Galicia + 39% Swedish @ 3.77
5 66.7% South_Dutch + 33.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.91
6 55.8% Spanish_Galicia + 44.2% North_Dutch @ 3.91
7 60.1% Spanish_Galicia + 39.9% Norwegian @ 3.99
8 79.6% Southwest_English + 20.4% Moroccan @ 4.03
9 53.2% Portuguese + 46.8% North_German @ 4.06
10 71.3% South_Dutch + 28.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.08
11 59.8% Portuguese + 40.2% Swedish @ 4.12
12 55.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 44.6% Norwegian @ 4.13
13 51.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 48.9% North_Dutch @ 4.16
14 53.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.6% North_German @ 4.18
15 68.9% South_Dutch + 31.1% Portuguese @ 4.23
16 56.7% Spanish_Galicia + 43.3% Danish @ 4.23
17 93.1% French + 6.9% Polish @ 4.23
18 89.6% South_Dutch + 10.4% Moroccan @ 4.24
19 92.6% French + 7.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.24
20 64.4% West_German + 35.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.25

Ancestrydna:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% French + 6.7% Kabardin @ 2.35
2 93.3% French + 6.7% Chechen @ 2.43
3 92.6% French + 7.4% Nogay @ 2.45
4 93.8% French + 6.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.46
5 93.6% French + 6.4% Balkar @ 2.49
6 93.8% French + 6.2% Adygei @ 2.53
7 93.6% French + 6.4% Lezgin @ 2.53
8 93.3% French + 6.7% Kumyk @ 2.55
9 93.4% French + 6.6% Tabassaran @ 2.55
10 94% French + 6% Ossetian @ 2.6
11 91.2% French + 8.8% Tatar @ 2.69
12 93.5% French + 6.5% Tadjik @ 2.7
13 94.1% French + 5.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.75
14 94.8% French + 5.2% Georgian @ 2.78
15 87.1% French + 12.9% Moldavian @ 2.81
16 95.1% French + 4.9% Abhkasian @ 2.81
17 93.9% French + 6.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.81
18 86.4% South_Dutch + 13.6% Moroccan @ 2.84
19 94.6% French + 5.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.85
20 84.1% French + 15.9% Serbian @ 2.89

JerryS.
08-04-2017, 09:46 PM
why are you all using Puntdnal? Its one of the least accurate

Eurogenes is by far superior, second in MDLP.

why not Dodecad?

FionnSneachta
08-04-2017, 11:40 PM
I think all of us got that email. I did not do anything and I have not received any more spam.

Jack

I didn't just get one email. I got lots of emails and it was disconcerting when the email I described didn't go straight into the spam folder. I can't automatically dismiss strange email addresses since my email is on a public platform like GEDmatch and FTDNA. I had rarely gotten spam before Genesis. I had my data uploaded to Genesis for a good few weeks before requesting them to delete it. I think Genesis for a while had a section where you could actually view newly uploaded kits but it's gone now as far as I know. I already had a file up from Ancestry anyway so I didn't see the need for another one. There is actually a message on the top of the GEDmatch Genesis that says that there was a security breach unless it's gone now. Once the file was deleted, no more spam emails.

LauraHolland
08-11-2017, 12:43 PM
Hi guys,

Uploaded my LivingDNA raw data to genesis Gedmatch and these are my k13 results, oracle 1 first then oracle 4.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Southeast_English + 15.8% Balkar @ 2.33
2 84% Southeast_English + 16% Kabardin @ 2.38
3 84.8% Southeast_English + 15.2% Ossetian @ 2.39
4 83.3% Southwest_English + 16.7% Adygei @ 2.41
5 82.9% Southwest_English + 17.1% Balkar @ 2.42
6 82.6% Southwest_English + 17.4% Kabardin @ 2.45
7 82.3% Southwest_English + 17.7% Kumyk @ 2.46
8 84.9% Southeast_English + 15.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.47
9 84.7% Southeast_English + 15.3% Adygei @ 2.55
10 83.5% Southwest_English + 16.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.59
11 86.9% Southeast_English + 13.1% Abhkasian @ 2.64
12 86.3% Southeast_English + 13.7% Georgian @ 2.67
13 85.7% Southwest_English + 14.3% Abhkasian @ 2.74
14 85.1% Southwest_English + 14.9% Georgian @ 2.82
15 84% Southeast_English + 16% Kumyk @ 2.96
16 83.7% Southwest_English + 16.3% Ossetian @ 2.96
17 82.5% Southwest_English + 17.5% Chechen @ 2.98
18 84% Southeast_English + 16% Chechen @ 3.02
19 85.6% Orcadian + 14.4% Abhkasian @ 3.12
20 91.3% South_Dutch + 8.7% Tabassaran @ 3.13


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 5.534377


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.647031


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Tabassaran @ 4.326540
2 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tabassaran @ 4.358679
3 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 4.365504
4 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 4.374172
5 French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 4.421325
6 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 4.427217
7 French_Basque + Orcadian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 4.497814
8 Central_Greek + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.512354
9 French_Basque + Lezgin + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 4.516859
10 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 4.521819
11 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 4.571388
12 Chechen + French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 4.583401
13 French_Basque + Irish + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 4.590847
14 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 4.592457
15 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.599464
16 Danish + French_Basque + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 4.604843
17 French_Basque + Lezgin + Norwegian + Swedish @ 4.608248
18 Danish + French_Basque + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 4.613361
19 French_Basque + Norwegian + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 4.619164
20 French_Basque + Lezgin + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.626528

clairefarley
08-14-2017, 07:24 PM
I tried a one to one match with someone from my tree and they came up as a 0% match. There are many matches in my one to many list which I am yet to verify but I am wondering if the results themselves could be faulty as they are in the teething stages? Otherwise I have a potentially large family secret on my hands.

Pylsteen
08-14-2017, 08:01 PM
I tried a one to one match with someone from my tree and they came up as a 0% match. There are many matches in my one to many list which I am yet to verify but I am wondering if the results themselves could be faulty as they are in the teething stages? Otherwise I have a potentially large family secret on my hands.

It depends; if 4th cousin or further, it may be that they inherited mainly from the other half of your ancestor which you did not inherit. If closer, you may want to keep this for yourself. The one-to-one has thresholds being 7 cM and 400 snps per segment. If tested with another company, these may not overlap well, so possibly missing matching segments, so you may lower the thresholds.

Also see this chart:
https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics#/media/File:SharedcMProject20March2017.png