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08-05-2017, 10:23 AM
LEGEND
Russian Mal’ta boy’s yDNA-R descendants all hung around the Steppe for 20,000 years until they burst out from their Steppe cradle in the 3rd millennium BC, nobly conquering everyone else and triumphantly spreading their magical proto-IE language across the world.
ACTUALITY
yDNA-R1b was all over the place long before 3,000 BC, including archaeological samples in Spain 5,200 BC (Le Troc) and Italy 12,000 BC (Villabruna).
R1b’s first subclades are in West Central Africa, Germany, China, India and Italy (M335), and Turkey and Bahrain (PH200).
The earliest branching of West European R1b’s brother clade M73 arose at an estimated 11,300 BC between a basal M73* West of the Rhine and its subclade M478 in Ukraine.
The closest archaeological ancestor to a pre-L51 R1b-P297 (i.e. pre-4,200 BC L51 origin point, per yfull) is R1b1a1 L389, a 14,000 ybp sample found in Italy. The modern distribution of rare L389xP297 is Bulgaria to Puerto Rico.
The first sample showing R1b going anywhere near the Steppe was a more distant ancestor of L51 (R1b1a) than the Italian sample, and was in any case only on the Balkan border with Romania (Vasilevka) 7,200BC.
The first Steppe samples of R1b-P297 are dated to around 3,000 BC - very similar to the dates of the first R1b-P297 samples found in West European Bell Beaker.
If ever there were an Indo-European “Aryan Superman” of the Steppe with R1b1a* or P297* or L23*, he appears to have died out completely, to be replaced by a man with Baltic R1a-M417. Perhaps the Steppe got a bit too chilly for him ...
Russian Mal’ta boy’s yDNA-R descendants all hung around the Steppe for 20,000 years until they burst out from their Steppe cradle in the 3rd millennium BC, nobly conquering everyone else and triumphantly spreading their magical proto-IE language across the world.
ACTUALITY
yDNA-R1b was all over the place long before 3,000 BC, including archaeological samples in Spain 5,200 BC (Le Troc) and Italy 12,000 BC (Villabruna).
R1b’s first subclades are in West Central Africa, Germany, China, India and Italy (M335), and Turkey and Bahrain (PH200).
The earliest branching of West European R1b’s brother clade M73 arose at an estimated 11,300 BC between a basal M73* West of the Rhine and its subclade M478 in Ukraine.
The closest archaeological ancestor to a pre-L51 R1b-P297 (i.e. pre-4,200 BC L51 origin point, per yfull) is R1b1a1 L389, a 14,000 ybp sample found in Italy. The modern distribution of rare L389xP297 is Bulgaria to Puerto Rico.
The first sample showing R1b going anywhere near the Steppe was a more distant ancestor of L51 (R1b1a) than the Italian sample, and was in any case only on the Balkan border with Romania (Vasilevka) 7,200BC.
The first Steppe samples of R1b-P297 are dated to around 3,000 BC - very similar to the dates of the first R1b-P297 samples found in West European Bell Beaker.
If ever there were an Indo-European “Aryan Superman” of the Steppe with R1b1a* or P297* or L23*, he appears to have died out completely, to be replaced by a man with Baltic R1a-M417. Perhaps the Steppe got a bit too chilly for him ...