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chelle
08-06-2017, 07:58 PM
Recently someone posted on another thread about the mixed population feature on some of the calculators. I hadn't given it too much thought until then. I started playing around with it using my dad's kit since he is primarily a northern European mix. On many calculators he gets a small percentage of South Asian and some type of Siberian/Beringian/Arctic. When I do the mixed population feature I am noticing those are usually listed in the secondary population. Now I am seriously wondering if either or both are legitimate. I do know that both he and I do get some small bit of South Asian on dna tests, but I wasn't sure if it was real or noise. Here is his kit number in case you want to see more calculator options. Thank you for any help or opinions.

M014315


MDLP K23b Oracle results:

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Kit M014315

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.64
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.05
3 Caucasian 21.88
4 South_Central_Asian 6.32
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.12
6 Arctic 1.56
7 North_African 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Frisian ( ) 1.61
2 Belgian ( ) 2.55
3 Irish ( ) 2.62
4 English ( ) 3.48
5 Dutch ( ) 4.08
6 North_European ( ) 5.18
7 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.31
8 South_German ( ) 5.79
9 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 6.16
10 Norwegian_East ( ) 6.22
11 North_German ( ) 6.26
12 German-Volga ( ) 6.61
13 Dane ( ) 6.74
14 Swede ( ) 6.75
15 CEU ( ) 6.92
16 British ( ) 7.34
17 Welsh ( ) 7.43
18 Norwegian_West ( ) 8.38
19 Icelandic ( ) 9.59
20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 9.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.4% Frisian ( ) + 1.6% Eskimo_Naukan ( ) @ 0.77
2 98.5% Frisian ( ) + 1.5% Eskimo_Chaplin ( ) @ 0.8
3 97.8% Frisian ( ) + 2.2% West_Greenland ( ) @ 0.81
4 98.5% Frisian ( ) + 1.5% Eskimo_Sireniki ( ) @ 0.84
5 97.5% Frisian ( ) + 2.5% Tlingit ( ) @ 1.05
6 98.6% Frisian ( ) + 1.4% Chukchi ( ) @ 1.15
7 98.6% Frisian ( ) + 1.4% Chukchi_Sir ( ) @ 1.17
8 97.2% Frisian ( ) + 2.8% Aleut ( ) @ 1.18
9 99% Frisian ( ) + 1% Athabask ( ) @ 1.39
10 98.5% Frisian ( ) + 1.5% Haida ( ) @ 1.39
11 98.1% Frisian ( ) + 1.9% Tsimsian ( ) @ 1.43
12 99.3% Frisian ( ) + 0.7% Mozabite ( ) @ 1.48
13 78.3% Frisian ( ) + 21.7% Irish ( ) @ 1.49
14 99.2% Frisian ( ) + 0.8% Saharawi ( ) @ 1.49
15 91.8% Frisian ( ) + 8.2% Dane ( ) @ 1.49
16 91.8% Frisian ( ) + 8.2% Swede ( ) @ 1.49
17 99% Frisian ( ) + 1% Algonquin ( ) @ 1.49
18 84.4% Frisian ( ) + 15.6% English ( ) @ 1.5
19 99.1% Frisian ( ) + 0.9% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 1.5
20 99.1% Frisian ( ) + 0.9% Cree ( ) @ 1.5


puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Kit M014315

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 48.06
2 SW_Europe 36.7
3 West_Asia 8.18
4 South_Asia 2.68
5 SW_Asia 1.98
6 Siberia 1.68
7 South_Africa 0.39
8 East_Africa 0.17
9 SE_Asia 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 English 3.48
2 Orcadian 3.63
3 Scottish 3.92
4 Irish 3.92
5 Utahn_European 3.96
6 Belgian 4.59
7 German_South 4.82
8 German_North 6.61
9 Hungarian 6.66
10 Slovene 7.15
11 Slovak 7.84
12 French 7.95
13 Norwegian 7.98
14 Croatian 8.26
15 Ukrainian 9.92
16 Swedish 9.96
17 Moldavian 10.49
18 Bosnian 10.82
19 Serbian 12.96
20 Belarusian 14.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.2% Orcadian + 2.8% Paniya @ 2.69
2 97.1% Orcadian + 2.9% Mawasi @ 2.72
3 97.3% Orcadian + 2.7% Pulliyar @ 2.82
4 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Dolgan @ 2.91
5 98% Orcadian + 2% Nganasan @ 2.91
6 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Yakut @ 2.93
7 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% Hakkipikki @ 2.94
8 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% North_Kannadi @ 2.95
9 97.3% Orcadian + 2.7% Gond @ 2.97
10 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Chenchus @ 2.97
11 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Koryak @ 2.99
12 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Sakilli @ 3.01
13 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Paniya @ 3.02
14 98% English + 2% Paniya @ 3.02
15 97.8% Orcadian + 2.2% Chukchi @ 3.02
16 97% Irish + 3% Mawasi @ 3.04
17 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Piramalai_Kallars @ 3.07
18 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% Tuvinian @ 3.07
19 98.5% English + 1.5% Nganasan @ 3.07
20 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% UP_Muslim @ 3.08


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M014315

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.63
2 Baltic 22.64
3 West_Med 15.57
4 West_Asian 7.16
5 South_Asian 2.74
6 Red_Sea 1.48
7 Siberian 0.91
8 East_Med 0.67
9 Northeast_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 4.47
2 Irish 5.02
3 Orcadian 5.07
4 Southeast_English 5.52
5 West_Scottish 5.56
6 North_Dutch 6.44
7 Danish 6.78
8 South_Dutch 6.96
9 North_German 7.32
10 Norwegian 8.25
11 West_German 8.53
12 Swedish 9.89
13 French 11.7
14 Austrian 13.6
15 East_German 13.97
16 North_Swedish 15.41
17 Hungarian 18.45
18 Spanish_Cataluna 18.49
19 Southwest_French 18.87
20 Spanish_Cantabria 19.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Burusho @ 2.67
2 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Kalash @ 2.68
3 94.4% Southwest_English + 5.6% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.8
4 94.5% Southwest_English + 5.5% Pathan @ 2.8
5 94% Southwest_English + 6% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.91
6 95% Southwest_English + 5% Balochi @ 2.93
7 95.1% Southwest_English + 4.9% Sindhi @ 2.94
8 93.4% Southwest_English + 6.6% Tadjik @ 2.95
9 95.2% Southwest_English + 4.8% Brahui @ 2.96
10 94% Southwest_English + 6% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.02
11 95.4% Southwest_English + 4.6% Gujarati @ 3.03
12 95.1% Southwest_English + 4.9% Brahmin_UP @ 3.09
13 95.4% Southwest_English + 4.6% Kshatriya @ 3.1
14 95.3% Southwest_English + 4.7% Makrani @ 3.11
15 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Dharkar @ 3.2
16 95.6% Southwest_English + 4.4% Bangladeshi @ 3.21
17 96% Southwest_English + 4% Kanjar @ 3.23
18 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Kabardin @ 3.26
19 91.6% Southwest_English + 8.4% Tatar @ 3.27
20 93.8% Southwest_English + 6.2% Nogay @ 3.27

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Kit M014315

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.27
2 Atlantic_Med 38.44
3 Gedrosia 10.13
4 Caucasus 6.12
5 Southwest_Asian 0.98
6 Siberian 0.56
7 South_Asian 0.3
8 Northwest_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 1.25
2 Dutch (Dodecad) 2.64
3 Kent (1000Genomes) 4.07
4 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 4.14
5 English (Dodecad) 4.31
6 British_Isles (Dodecad) 5.74
7 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 6.42
8 British (Dodecad) 6.53
9 Argyll (1000Genomes) 6.58
10 Irish (Dodecad) 7.11
11 Orkney (1000Genomes) 7.15
12 Orcadian (HGDP) 7.2
13 German (Dodecad) 8.03
14 French (Dodecad) 8.32
15 French (HGDP) 8.96
16 Norwegian (Dodecad) 12.15
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.3
18 Hungarians (Behar) 15.81
19 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 21.48
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.68
2 78.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 21.7% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.68
3 79.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.72
4 78.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 21.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.76
5 79.7% Irish (Dodecad) + 20.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.81
6 96.4% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 0.9
7 96.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 0.9
8 97.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 2.9% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 0.92
9 99.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 0.8% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 0.93
10 81% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 19% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.93
11 96.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.1% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 0.93
12 99.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 0.8% Yakut (HGDP) @ 0.93
13 99.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 0.8% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 0.93
14 99.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 0.7% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 0.94
15 96.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 0.94
16 99.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 0.9% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 0.94
17 79.8% Irish (Dodecad) + 20.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.94
18 96.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.3% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 0.95
19 91.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 8.9% French (Dodecad) @ 0.95
20 90.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 9.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.95

Amerijoe
08-06-2017, 09:34 PM
chelle, oh cousin of mine from a different land. Your stated Jewish doesn't show up in secondary, so is it from your Mum? Depending on which testing company, I usually end up with 1 to 2% either European Jewish, Ashkenazi Jew, but because of unknowns, I cannot verify. Here is what shows up in Eurogenes K13.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.25
2 Baltic 19.49
3 West_Med 11.54
4 West_Asian 7.13
5 East_Med 3.54
6 South_Asian 2.07
7 Siberian 0.55
8 Red_Sea 0.45
9 East_Asian 0.37
10 Sub-Saharan 0.31
11 Amerindian 0.21
12 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 4.35
2 Irish 5.09
3 Southwest_English 5.1
4 Orcadian 5.73
5 Southeast_English 5.98
6 North_Dutch 7.27
7 Danish 7.48
8 Norwegian 9.04
9 North_German 9.44
10 South_Dutch 10.19
11 West_German 11.34
12 Swedish 11.97
13 French 14.14
14 Austrian 18.14
15 North_Swedish 18.24
16 East_German 18.88
17 Spanish_Cataluna 20.38
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.54
19 Southwest_French 21.87
20 Spanish_Cantabria 22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Armenian @ 3.98
2 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kurdish @ 3.99
3 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4
4 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
5 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.01
6 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Makrani @ 4.01
7 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Azeri @ 4.02
8 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.02
9 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Assyrian @ 4.02
10 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian @ 4.02
11 97% West_Scottish + 3% Turkish @ 4.04
12 97% West_Scottish + 3% Turkmen @ 4.04
13 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Brahui @ 4.04
14 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.04
15 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.05
16 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.05
17 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Balochi @ 4.06
18 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.06
19 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Abhkasian @ 4.06
20 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.07

As you can see a variety of Jewish secondaries are evident. Also, the distances are quite tight which would elude to the dart test being an affirmative method of discovery. The West Scottish seems to fit well with some affirmation in being born there.

firemonkey
08-06-2017, 10:26 PM
I think these secondary populations are very much in the bad horoscope category. My father- he has no known Jewish ancestry.

Dodecad v 3


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 27.4% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 0.71
2 96.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.72
3 96.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
4 96.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
5 96.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.1% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.81
6 96.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.81
7 96.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.82
8 96.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.83
9 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.84
10 96.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.84
11 96.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.5% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 0.86
12 97% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 0.87
13 96.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.88
14 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.9
15 96.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.9
16 96.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
17 96.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
18 96% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.93
19 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 0.93
20 96.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.7% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.95

World 9

20 94.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 5.9% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.87


Dodecad 7b

20 94.3% Kent (1000Genomes) + 5.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 0.75

Harappaworld

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.2% utahn-white (hapmap) + 7.8% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 0.69
2 81.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 18.5% hungarian (behar) @ 0.72
3 83% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 17% slovenian (xing) @ 0.78
4 90.3% utahn-white (hapmap) + 9.7% italian (hgdp) @ 0.79
5 69.8% british (1000genomes) + 30.2% hungarian (behar) @ 0.85
6 93.9% utahn-white (hapmap) + 6.1% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.05
7 72% british (1000genomes) + 28% slovenian (xing) @ 1.06
8 95.8% utahn-white (hapmap) + 4.2% cypriot (behar) @ 1.09
9 94.3% utahn-white (hapmap) + 5.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.1
10 80.2% n-european (xing) + 19.8% french (hgdp) @ 1.1
11 95% utahn-white (hapmap) + 5% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.13
12 90.1% utahn-white (hapmap) + 9.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.21
13 95.1% utahn-white (hapmap) + 4.9% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.22
14 96.6% utahn-white (hapmap) + 3.4% druze (hgdp) @ 1.29
15 92.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 7.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.31
16 91% n-european (xing) + 9% spaniard (behar) @ 1.35
17 92.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 7.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.36
18 96.4% utahn-white (hapmap) + 3.6% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 1.38
19 95.7% n-european (xing) + 4.3% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.38
20 96.4% utahn-white (hapmap) + 3.6% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.4

JerryS.
08-06-2017, 10:40 PM
I think these secondary populations are very much in the bad horoscope category. My father- he has no known Jewish ancestry.

Dodecad v 3


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 27.4% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 0.71
2 96.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.72
3 96.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
4 96.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
5 96.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.1% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.81
6 96.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.81
7 96.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.82
8 96.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.83
9 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.84
10 96.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.84
11 96.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.5% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 0.86
12 97% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 0.87
13 96.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.88
14 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.9
15 96.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.9
16 96.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
17 96.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
18 96% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.93
19 96.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 0.93
20 96.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 3.7% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.95

World 9

20 94.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 5.9% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.87


Dodecad 7b

20 94.3% Kent (1000Genomes) + 5.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 0.75

Harappaworld

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.2% utahn-white (hapmap) + 7.8% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 0.69
2 81.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 18.5% hungarian (behar) @ 0.72
3 83% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 17% slovenian (xing) @ 0.78
4 90.3% utahn-white (hapmap) + 9.7% italian (hgdp) @ 0.79
5 69.8% british (1000genomes) + 30.2% hungarian (behar) @ 0.85
6 93.9% utahn-white (hapmap) + 6.1% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.05
7 72% british (1000genomes) + 28% slovenian (xing) @ 1.06
8 95.8% utahn-white (hapmap) + 4.2% cypriot (behar) @ 1.09
9 94.3% utahn-white (hapmap) + 5.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.1
10 80.2% n-european (xing) + 19.8% french (hgdp) @ 1.1
11 95% utahn-white (hapmap) + 5% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.13
12 90.1% utahn-white (hapmap) + 9.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.21
13 95.1% utahn-white (hapmap) + 4.9% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.22
14 96.6% utahn-white (hapmap) + 3.4% druze (hgdp) @ 1.29
15 92.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 7.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.31
16 91% n-european (xing) + 9% spaniard (behar) @ 1.35
17 92.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 7.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.36
18 96.4% utahn-white (hapmap) + 3.6% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 1.38
19 95.7% n-european (xing) + 4.3% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.38
20 96.4% utahn-white (hapmap) + 3.6% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.4


you cannot discount lack of "ethnic" jewish ancestry. I'm not jewish, im catholic, but im sure there was an ethnic jew in there somewhere upstream.... here is my Dodecad V3 to compare to yours.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 15.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.29
2 84.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 15.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.46
3 86.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 13.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.46
4 86.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 13.1% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.5
5 88.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 11.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.52
6 88.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 11.3% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.55
7 80.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 19.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.56
8 87.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 12.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.58
9 87.8% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 12.2% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.59
10 88.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.5% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.6
11 88.1% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.64
12 87.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 12.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.64
13 88% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 12% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.71
14 87.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 12.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
15 85.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 14.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.77
16 92.6% CEU (HapMap) + 7.4% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.78
17 87% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 13% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.78
18 86.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 13.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
19 92.1% CEU (HapMap) + 7.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.81
20 81.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 18.5% TSI (HapMap) @ 1.83

Amerijoe
08-06-2017, 10:57 PM
Firemonkey, you are absolutely correct. My main point is if you show Jewish in your test results, does it show in any of the admixtures results? I have Jewish in three tests, small, but is stated to be there. I also get East Euro., Middle East, Arabia, and Kurd to name a few in other tests. My opinion is these tests are not refined enough to distinguish these mentioned populations with absolute certainty. Therefore, the dart method is a good choice. :) Joe

chelle
08-07-2017, 12:01 AM
chelle, oh cousin of mine from a different land. Your stated Jewish doesn't show up in secondary, so is it from your Mum? Depending on which testing company, I usually end up with 1 to 2% either European Jewish, Ashkenazi Jew, but because of unknowns, I cannot verify. Here is what shows up in Eurogenes K13.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.25
2 Baltic 19.49
3 West_Med 11.54
4 West_Asian 7.13
5 East_Med 3.54
6 South_Asian 2.07
7 Siberian 0.55
8 Red_Sea 0.45
9 East_Asian 0.37
10 Sub-Saharan 0.31
11 Amerindian 0.21
12 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 4.35
2 Irish 5.09
3 Southwest_English 5.1
4 Orcadian 5.73
5 Southeast_English 5.98
6 North_Dutch 7.27
7 Danish 7.48
8 Norwegian 9.04
9 North_German 9.44
10 South_Dutch 10.19
11 West_German 11.34
12 Swedish 11.97
13 French 14.14
14 Austrian 18.14
15 North_Swedish 18.24
16 East_German 18.88
17 Spanish_Cataluna 20.38
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.54
19 Southwest_French 21.87
20 Spanish_Cantabria 22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Armenian @ 3.98
2 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kurdish @ 3.99
3 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4
4 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
5 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.01
6 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Makrani @ 4.01
7 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Azeri @ 4.02
8 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.02
9 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Assyrian @ 4.02
10 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian @ 4.02
11 97% West_Scottish + 3% Turkish @ 4.04
12 97% West_Scottish + 3% Turkmen @ 4.04
13 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Brahui @ 4.04
14 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.04
15 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.05
16 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.05
17 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Balochi @ 4.06
18 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.06
19 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Abhkasian @ 4.06
20 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.07

As you can see a variety of Jewish secondaries are evident. Also, the distances are quite tight which would elude to the dart test being an affirmative method of discovery. The West Scottish seems to fit well with some affirmation in being born there.

haha Yes, that is why I wanted to see my dads results instead of mine or my moms. I knew her results and mine would be all over the place. her MDLP World 22 results and mine

Kit M435930

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.27
2 North-East-European 32.8
3 West-Asian 13.83
4 Near_East 12.21
5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.98
6 Sub-Saharian 1.35
7 Indo-Iranian 0.72
8 Indian 0.64
9 Melanesian 0.39
10 East-Siberean 0.32
11 Paleo-Siberian 0.28
12 Samoedic 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (derived) 6.37
2 Gagauz (derived) 6.49
3 Romania (derived) 6.7
4 Macedonian (derived) 8.17
5 Italian_North (derived) 8.19
6 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 8.39
7 Montenegrin (derived) 8.88
8 Swiss (derived) 9.15
9 Greek_South (derived) 10.15
10 Provancestralal (derived) 10.21
11 Greek_North (derived) 10.53
12 Italian-North (derived) 10.82
13 Serbian (derived) 11.66
14 German-South (derived) 13.28
15 Greek_Center (derived) 13.86
16 Portugese (derived) 13.87
17 Corsican (derived) 14.17
18 French (derived) 14.26
19 Kosovar (derived) 14.31
20 Jew_Romania (derived) 14.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% German_V (derived) + 38.4% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 1.02
2 75.9% German-South (derived) + 24.1% Palestinian (derived) @ 1.02
3 60.2% German_V (derived) + 39.8% Jew_Morocco (derived) @ 1.52
4 58.3% German_V (derived) + 41.7% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 1.55
5 56.1% German-North (derived) + 43.9% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 1.63
6 60.6% German_V (derived) + 39.4% Sephardim (derived) @ 1.67
7 52.9% Sicilian (derived) + 47.1% German (derived) @ 1.73
8 60% CEU_V (derived) + 40% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 1.74
9 62.4% German_V (derived) + 37.6% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 1.74
10 75.5% German-South (derived) + 24.5% Jordanian (derived) @ 1.78
11 57.6% German_V (derived) + 42.4% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 1.78
12 55% German-North (derived) + 45% Sephardim (derived) @ 1.79
13 52.7% German-North (derived) + 47.3% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 1.81
14 77.3% German-South (derived) + 22.7% Samaritian (derived) @ 1.87
15 56.6% CEU_V (derived) + 43.4% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 1.88
16 63.7% German_V (derived) + 36.3% Jew_Libya (derived) @ 1.89
17 51.9% German-North (derived) + 48.1% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 1.9
18 61.7% Austrian (derived) + 38.3% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 1.95
19 58.5% CEU_V (derived) + 41.5% Jew_Morocco (derived) @ 1.98
20 60.7% CEU_V (derived) + 39.3% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 2

MDLP World-22 Oracle results:

Kit M015550

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 38.5
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.71
3 West-Asian 11.79
4 Near_East 6.97
5 North-European-Mesolithic 3.39
6 Indo-Iranian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharian 0.81
8 Arctic-Amerind 0.8
9 Samoedic 0.57
10 Austronesian 0.4
11 Indo-Tibetan 0.22
12 Paleo-Siberian 0.11
13 South-America_Amerind 0.09
14 Melanesian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Montenegrin (derived) 4.48
2 Macedonian (derived) 5.14
3 Bulgarian (derived) 5.75
4 Serbian (derived) 6.36
5 Swiss (derived) 6.36
6 Romania (derived) 6.67
7 German-South (derived) 6.76
8 Italian_North (derived) 8.04
9 Gagauz (derived) 8.33
10 Provancestralal (derived) 8.89
11 French (derived) 9.81
12 CEU (derived) 11.66
13 German_V (derived) 11.71
14 Bosnian (derived) 11.76
15 Austrian (derived) 11.9
16 British (derived) 12.02
17 Hungarian (derived) 12.7
18 CEU_V (derived) 13.09
19 Croatian (derived) 13.14
20 Welsh (derived) 13.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Swedish (derived) + 46.2% Greek_Center (derived) @ 1.58
2 60.6% CEU_V (derived) + 39.4% Greek_Center (derived) @ 1.66
3 62.4% CEU_V (derived) + 37.6% Greek_East (derived) @ 1.68
4 69.5% CEU_V (derived) + 30.5% Greek_Cretan (derived) @ 1.69
5 69.2% German_V (derived) + 30.8% Sicilian (derived) @ 1.72
6 77.5% Welsh (derived) + 22.5% Druze (derived) @ 1.73
7 55.3% Welsh (derived) + 44.7% Greek_North (derived) @ 1.84
8 67.4% German_V (derived) + 32.6% Italian-South (derived) @ 1.86
9 55.7% Swedish (derived) + 44.3% Greek_East (derived) @ 1.86
10 57.1% German-North (derived) + 42.9% Italian-Center (derived) @ 1.87
11 75% Welsh (derived) + 25% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 1.88
12 59.1% German-North (derived) + 40.9% Italian-South (derived) @ 1.89
13 55.3% Welsh (derived) + 44.7% Greek_South (derived) @ 1.94
14 65.6% German_V (derived) + 34.4% Italian-Center (derived) @ 1.94
15 63% CEU_V (derived) + 37% Italian-Center (derived) @ 1.95
16 56.3% Swedish (derived) + 43.7% Italian-Center (derived) @ 1.96
17 76.8% Welsh (derived) + 23.2% Lebanese (derived) @ 1.97
18 75.6% CEU_V (derived) + 24.4% Cypriot (derived) @ 2
19 78.5% Welsh (derived) + 21.5% Jew_Georgia (derived) @ 2
20 64.9% CEU_V (derived) + 35.1% Italian-South (derived) @ 2

Mom's Eurogene K13

Kit M435930

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.99
2 West_Med 19.59
3 East_Med 18.51
4 Baltic 16.72
5 West_Asian 5.28
6 Red_Sea 3.67
7 Sub-Saharan 2.19
8 Siberian 1.44
9 Oceanian 0.45
10 South_Asian 0.1
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.81
2 Portuguese 10.43
3 Tuscan 10.53
4 Spanish_Galicia 11.46
5 Romanian 11.49
6 Spanish_Extremadura 11.72
7 French 11.95
8 Serbian 12
9 Spanish_Cataluna 12.19
10 Spanish_Murcia 12.4
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.6
12 Bulgarian 12.93
13 Spanish_Valencia 12.94
14 Spanish_Andalucia 13.88
15 Greek_Thessaly 14.2
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.54
17 West_German 15.06
18 Spanish_Cantabria 15.39
19 South_Dutch 16.04
20 Italian_Abruzzo 16.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Tuscan + 26.6% North_Swedish @ 3.09
2 63% South_Dutch + 37% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
3 65% French + 35% Ashkenazi @ 3.56
4 72.3% Tuscan + 27.7% Swedish @ 3.6
5 75.9% Tuscan + 24.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.68
6 65.3% Tuscan + 34.7% East_German @ 3.96
7 52.1% Romanian + 47.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.96
8 64.6% West_German + 35.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.97
9 62% Tuscan + 38% Austrian @ 3.99
10 56.1% Portuguese + 43.9% Bulgarian @ 3.99
11 52.8% Portuguese + 47.2% Romanian @ 4.02
12 54.8% French + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.03
13 50.5% South_Dutch + 49.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.03
14 53% Orcadian + 47% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.07
15 51.2% Spanish_Murcia + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.07
16 62% West_Sicilian + 38% Swedish @ 4.13
17 72.7% Tuscan + 27.3% Norwegian @ 4.13
18 55.5% Southeast_English + 44.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
19 69.4% Tuscan + 30.6% North_German @ 4.15
20 57.7% South_Dutch + 42.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.2

Her Eurogenes K13

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M435930

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.99
2 West_Med 19.59
3 East_Med 18.51
4 Baltic 16.72
5 West_Asian 5.28
6 Red_Sea 3.67
7 Sub-Saharan 2.19
8 Siberian 1.44
9 Oceanian 0.45
10 South_Asian 0.1
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.81
2 Portuguese 10.43
3 Tuscan 10.53
4 Spanish_Galicia 11.46
5 Romanian 11.49
6 Spanish_Extremadura 11.72
7 French 11.95
8 Serbian 12
9 Spanish_Cataluna 12.19
10 Spanish_Murcia 12.4
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.6
12 Bulgarian 12.93
13 Spanish_Valencia 12.94
14 Spanish_Andalucia 13.88
15 Greek_Thessaly 14.2
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.54
17 West_German 15.06
18 Spanish_Cantabria 15.39
19 South_Dutch 16.04
20 Italian_Abruzzo 16.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Tuscan + 26.6% North_Swedish @ 3.09
2 63% South_Dutch + 37% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
3 65% French + 35% Ashkenazi @ 3.56
4 72.3% Tuscan + 27.7% Swedish @ 3.6
5 75.9% Tuscan + 24.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.68
6 65.3% Tuscan + 34.7% East_German @ 3.96
7 52.1% Romanian + 47.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.96
8 64.6% West_German + 35.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.97
9 62% Tuscan + 38% Austrian @ 3.99
10 56.1% Portuguese + 43.9% Bulgarian @ 3.99
11 52.8% Portuguese + 47.2% Romanian @ 4.02
12 54.8% French + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.03
13 50.5% South_Dutch + 49.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.03
14 53% Orcadian + 47% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.07
15 51.2% Spanish_Murcia + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.07
16 62% West_Sicilian + 38% Swedish @ 4.13
17 72.7% Tuscan + 27.3% Norwegian @ 4.13
18 55.5% Southeast_English + 44.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.15
19 69.4% Tuscan + 30.6% North_German @ 4.15
20 57.7% South_Dutch + 42.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.2


My K13 results
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M015550

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.78
2 West_Med 18.51
3 Baltic 18.03
4 East_Med 8.95
5 West_Asian 7.47
6 Red_Sea 3.78
7 Siberian 0.92
8 Northeast_African 0.76
9 Sub-Saharan 0.73
10 South_Asian 0.54
11 Oceanian 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.99
2 West_German 6.67
3 South_Dutch 6.87
4 Spanish_Cataluna 10.25
5 Spanish_Galicia 10.41
6 Portuguese 10.53
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.07
8 Austrian 11.6
9 Spanish_Extremadura 12.04
10 Spanish_Murcia 12.38
11 Southeast_English 12.54
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.61
13 Spanish_Valencia 12.97
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.03
15 Southwest_French 13.15
16 Southwest_English 13.28
17 East_German 13.78
18 North_German 13.79
19 Spanish_Andalucia 14.14
20 North_Italian 14.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% French + 6.8% Kabardin @ 2.31
2 93.3% French + 6.7% Chechen @ 2.38
3 93.7% French + 6.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.4
4 93.5% French + 6.5% Balkar @ 2.44
5 92.6% French + 7.4% Nogay @ 2.45
6 93.3% French + 6.7% Tabassaran @ 2.48
7 93.6% French + 6.4% Lezgin @ 2.49
8 93.7% French + 6.3% Adygei @ 2.49
9 93.9% French + 6.1% Ossetian @ 2.52
10 93.4% French + 6.6% Kumyk @ 2.54
11 93.5% French + 6.5% Tadjik @ 2.68
12 94.8% French + 5.2% Georgian @ 2.74
13 94.1% French + 5.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.76
14 95.1% French + 4.9% Abhkasian @ 2.77
15 91.6% French + 8.4% Tatar @ 2.83
16 94.5% French + 5.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.84
17 94% French + 6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.85
18 95.7% French + 4.3% Brahui @ 2.85
19 95.6% French + 4.4% Balochi @ 2.85
20 95.5% French + 4.5% Makrani @ 2.88

firemonkey
08-07-2017, 12:06 AM
My father gets nothing with FTDNA
1.4% Sephardic in dna tribes (I get 1% also using FTDNA data)


Nothing in any 4 populations.

chelle
08-07-2017, 12:30 AM
My father gets nothing with FTDNA
1.4% Sephardic in dna tribes (I get 1% also using FTDNA data)


Nothing in any 4 populations.

See,
That is why I am curious about his though. He originally got like the lowest you can get as a South Asia result on 23andme and then they changed it to unknown, I get a really low result of it on there too, Dr. McDonald showed it for him, but at the time said it was probably noise, then my living DNA has the mysterious 1.7 Pashtun, and if I click on all the AncestyDNA categories it says less than a percent. As for the more Arctic ones, I am just fascinated by all of those popping up and thought that would be very cool to have in the mix. Pardon the pun. haha I do know on his results he gets a percent of Finnish. Wonder if that is what is exchanging it for somehow.

Amerijoe
08-07-2017, 03:39 AM
See,
That is why I am curious about his though. He originally got like the lowest you can get as a South Asia result on 23andme and then they changed it to unknown, I get a really low result of it on there too, Dr. McDonald showed it for him, but at the time said it was probably noise, then my living DNA has the mysterious 1.7 Pashtun, and if I click on all the AncestyDNA categories it says less than a percent. As for the more Arctic ones, I am just fascinated by all of those popping up and thought that would be very cool to have in the mix. Pardon the pun. haha I do know on his results he gets a percent of Finnish. Wonder if that is what is exchanging it for somehow.

Pashtun for you, Kurd for me. Fascinating diversity, you are all over the place. You could easily turn into a map. :)

Askye
11-27-2017, 11:36 AM
I was certain I did not have any Swede, Jewish, etc in me. Now that I am doing deeper ancestral research, EVERYTHING odd and strange on gedmatch makes perfect sense and is completely confirmed. Unless you have gone back 6-7 generations on multiples sides, you really have to hold your tongue.