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RedBlazedNugguts
08-22-2017, 12:39 PM
Are results similar, better, or completely different?

08-22-2017, 12:54 PM
For me the Living DNA results were much more downstream than 23andme, and FTDNA Y37 STR, did not do Geno 2.0
However with FTDNA, it allows you the option of digging into your YDNA far deeper with the BigY Test, but this costs allot of money, also the said test gives you YDNA Matches at STR and SNP levels.
So on a Basic out of the Box level the LivingDNA did a very good job.

MacUalraig
08-22-2017, 01:09 PM
Are results similar, better, or completely different?

Those are all moving targets, for example see the discussions about 23andme v5 Y SNPs which look relatively detailed. Similarly I don't think we have seen the full details of what you can get with Geno 2/Helix etc. I am pretty confident that the YSEQ panels,which you didn't list, will trump LDNA.

RedBlazedNugguts
08-22-2017, 02:57 PM
When I checked I didn't have v5, I still have v4.

ArmandoR1b
08-22-2017, 08:15 PM
When I checked I didn't have v5, I still have v4.

You will have v4 until there is an option to upgrade and you purchase the upgrade. 23andme doesn't even know when the upgrade will be available or how it will be rolled out.

A Norfolk L-M20
08-22-2017, 08:27 PM
23andme: L-M22. That's an 18,600 year old SNP. That's as near as that test gets it. Stuck in the Upper Palaeolithic.

I expected a little more from Living DNA. However, after I complained that they somehow gave me a totally incorrect sub clade of L1a (I'm L1b2c), they back tracked to same as 23. L-M22!

FtDNA I've tested all the way to Big Y, and had further analysis of the BAM by FGC and YFull. They follow it through L M20, M22, M317, SK1412, SK1414, to L- FGC51036.

ArmandoR1b
08-22-2017, 08:31 PM
Compare your Livingdna YDNA haplogroup with 23andme, Ftdna, and Geno 2.0.

Are results similar, better, or completely different?
The differences between each will depend a lot on the haplogroup and subclade that each person is in. 23andme v2-v4 used an extremely limited list of SNPs in their test. Geno 2.0 used a larger number of SNPs but still a limited list and when the results are transferred to FTDNA there isn't a list of negative SNPs. There is a csv file with results that can then be compared with databases of SNPs but you have to know how to do that. LivingDNA in some cases includes more SNPs than 23andme v2-v4 and Geno 2.0 but not always ant they do not provide a list of all positive and all negative SNPs. You can email them then get a list of negative SNPs below your subclade but that is it. 23andme v5 is similar to Geno 2.0 and LivingDNA in the SNPs included but still differs in certain SNPs. 23andme v5 includes a list of positive and negatives SNPs in the raw data.

FTDNA has SNP packs which are cheaper than BigY and in most cases include a lot more SNPs than LivingDNA, Geno 2.0, and any of the versions of 23andme. So although LivingDNA, Geno 2.0, or 23andme v5 are similar and less expensive than an STR test + SNP packs at FTDNA they aren't anywhere as good as FTDNA SNP packs.

FTDNA BigY is a lot more expensive than a couple of FTDNA packs but BigY tests for novel and private SNPs. None of the other tests mentioned can do that.

Maybe if you told us which haplogroup and subclade you are interested in we can give you a more informative list of possible results from each of the tests that you are inquiring about.

ArmandoR1b
08-22-2017, 08:33 PM
For me the Living DNA results were much more downstream than 23andme, and FTDNA Y37 STR, did not do Geno 2.0
However with FTDNA, it allows you the option of digging into your YDNA far deeper with the BigY Test, but this costs allot of money, also the said test gives you YDNA Matches at STR and SNP levels.
So on a Basic out of the Box level the LivingDNA did a very good job.

Just a head's up. 23andme v5 includes Z283. So now 23andme and LivingDNA are equal in that sense.

ArmandoR1b
08-22-2017, 08:49 PM
23andme: L-M22. That's an 18,600 year old SNP. That's as near as that test gets it. Stuck in the Upper Palaeolithic.

I expected a little more from Living DNA. However, after I complained that they somehow gave me a totally incorrect sub clade of L1a (I'm L1b2c), they back tracked to same as 23. L-M22!

FtDNA I've tested all the way to Big Y, and had further analysis of the BAM by FGC and YFull. They follow it through L M20, M22, M317, SK1412, SK1414, to L- FGC51036.

23andme v5 now includes M317 so only slightly better now than LivingDNA and 23andme v4.

A Norfolk L-M20
08-22-2017, 09:21 PM
Actually the V4 had it on haplogroup explorer. For some reason they ignored it on the change to the new experience.

deadly77
08-22-2017, 10:39 PM
23andme as the fairly basic I-M253 on v4.
LivingDNA I-Z2535. Not wrong, but a little short of what they told me their coverage was to at I-L338. They said that there was an inconclusive call for I-L338 when running my DNA through their chip.

Is there a list of what new SNPs are covered under 23andme v5?

ArmandoR1b
08-22-2017, 11:28 PM
Is there a list of what new SNPs are covered under 23andme v5?

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11713-23andme-v5-Y-DNA-SNPs


23andme as the fairly basic I-M253 on v4.
LivingDNA I-Z2535. Not wrong, but a little short of what they told me their coverage was to at I-L338. They said that there was an inconclusive call for I-L338 when running my DNA through their chip.
23andme v5 also has I-Z2535. The only SNP downstream from I-Z2535 in 23andme v5 is S1954/YSC0000261. Since LivingDNA uses the same chip that is probably also the case with LivingDNA.

Dewsloth
08-22-2017, 11:57 PM
Nat Geno 2.0 (pre-Helix): DF88 or S4281
FTDNA: R-S4281 after porting over from Nat Geno (Nat Geno also updated, iirc)
FTDNA P312 SNP Pack: R-Z17112
FTDNA Big Y: Subclade below Z17112; FTDNA DF19 volunteer Group Admins analyzed for free. There are three families on our branch. 2 have MDKA within ~10 miles of each other NW of Wiesbaden and Frankfurt; one has MDKA down (up?) the Rhine in Strasbourg. None of us match the others in FTDNA's STR tests at any level out to Y111, so it's been probably at least 1,000 years since the last family reunion.

Living DNA: DF19 plus a misleading map :P

ArmandoR1b
08-23-2017, 12:04 AM
23andme v5 has DF88. It's i706061. It also has DF19 rs753249165

RedBlazedNugguts
08-23-2017, 12:25 AM
E1b1b, E1b1a, J1, and J2.

RedBlazedNugguts
08-23-2017, 12:26 AM
The differences between each will depend a lot on the haplogroup and subclade that each person is in. 23andme v2-v4 used an extremely limited list of SNPs in their test. Geno 2.0 used a larger number of SNPs but still a limited list and when the results are transferred to FTDNA there isn't a list of negative SNPs. There is a csv file with results that can then be compared with databases of SNPs but you have to know how to do that. LivingDNA in some cases includes more SNPs than 23andme v2-v4 and Geno 2.0 but not always ant they do not provide a list of all positive and all negative SNPs. You can email them then get a list of negative SNPs below your subclade but that is it. 23andme v5 is similar to Geno 2.0 and LivingDNA in the SNPs included but still differs in certain SNPs. 23andme v5 includes a list of positive and negatives SNPs in the raw data.

FTDNA has SNP packs which are cheaper than BigY and in most cases include a lot more SNPs than LivingDNA, Geno 2.0, and any of the versions of 23andme. So although LivingDNA, Geno 2.0, or 23andme v5 are similar and less expensive than an STR test + SNP packs at FTDNA they aren't anywhere as good as FTDNA SNP packs.

FTDNA BigY is a lot more expensive than a couple of FTDNA packs but BigY tests for novel and private SNPs. None of the other tests mentioned can do that.

Maybe if you told us which haplogroup and subclade you are interested in we can give you a more informative list of possible results from each of the tests that you are inquiring about.

E1b1b, E1b1a, J1, and J2.

RedBlazedNugguts
08-23-2017, 12:31 AM
So when will I get the option?

ArmandoR1b
08-23-2017, 11:47 PM
So when will I get the option?
23andme said that they do not know.

ArmandoR1b
08-24-2017, 12:12 AM
E1b1b, E1b1a, J1, and J2.

The cheapest and fastest option for those with better coverage than Livingdna, 23andme, Ftdna, and Geno 2.0 are the $99 Yseq Panel tests at https://www.yseq.net/index.php?cPath=27

For E1b1b and E1b1a the E Superclade Panel

For J1 the J1-M267 Superclade Panel

For J2 the J2-M172 Superclade Panel

JMcB
08-24-2017, 05:05 PM
FTDNA gave me I-M253 after a 67 marker test.
LDNA gave me I-S2169 aka I-F2642
My Big Y results split the I-L234 branch forming a new branch that FTDNA calls I-Y7198 and YFull calls I-Y3647

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3649/

So LDNA's call was pretty far up stream from where I actually am but it was about what I was expecting from them.

RedBlazedNugguts
09-06-2017, 05:50 PM
Okay, I'll think about getting J1 superclade since that is my Paternal cousin's haplogroup. But after I get Livingdna results.

chelle
09-07-2017, 06:35 PM
I don't know too much about all of the really precise dna haplogroup categories. I know that 23andme gave me H3 for maternal. My dad originally got I1* for his paternal group and it was recently updated to I-M253. For Living DNA they show me as being just H for maternal haplogroup.

Fungene
01-07-2018, 05:34 PM
moved to another thread

karwiso
01-07-2018, 06:28 PM
Well, I have done FTDNA, Ancestry, LivingDNA and WGS.
As FTDNA presents my results on Y-111, so I am R-M198 and that is really nothing for a prediction based on 111 markers. By joining several projects I have got a prediction on YP5611 and a recommendation to do BigY.
The interpretation from LivingDNA has placed me in R-Z92, that is much better placement than R-M198. But LivingDNA has no match list, so it is not so helpful.
My WGS is submitted to Yfull and is being analysed now. Their preliminary prediction is also R-YP5611.
So, the LivingDNA test is a decent introductory test, but you can get more help in FTDNA projects if you do Y-111 or Y-67. In the future you will have to do BigY, Y-Elite or WGS anyway, I think.

I would still recommend FTDNA since you can get a list with your Y-matches. If it is like researching with suspected relatives and trying to sort out wrong guesses, than it is ok with LivingDNA. You can get quite decent information in Y-subclades, some autosomal results and mt-haplogroup. If not finding some interesting results for you, you give the testing person a good start for the family research.

PS My mtDNA-haplogroup is exactly the same at FTDNA and LivingDNA.

Mike_G
01-09-2018, 11:48 PM
23andme: R-M417 (very broad Eastern European-ish haplogroup)
Living DNA: Z-92 (Baltic/Eastern Euro subclade of R-M417)
FTDNA: YP-682 (Baltic/Eastern Euro subclade of Z-92). Obtained via Y-111 and Big Y testing, both of which proved to be huge wastes of money and time on my part. I should have done the Y-67 and stopped there. Too greedy for knowledge on my part. Live and learn I guess.