Andour
05-05-2020, 12:06 AM
Has anyone ever done a percentage of steppe beaker ancestry by nation table or map? I realise that is complicated by southern Europe having much diluted steppe beaker people from early on but I dont see why it couldnt be done using the assumption that central and NW European bell beaker people were close to the original beaker type at its inception.
I wonder how that could be done. You'd have to know what populations to contrast the BB against, and those extra populations wouldn't be the same for each nation. The best you can do is look at distances. Besides, you have fairly different BBs in Central Europe, and each population gets closest to a specific one, not always the one you'd expect (Look at the English and Dutch, for example).
I've tried a little, easy-to-repeat, experiment on Vahaduo using these source pops (all of them Scaled Averages):
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria,0.1271445,0.1324326,0.052713,0 .0416909,0.0331913,0.0126844,0.0009922,0.0016324,0 .0044465,0.0071138,-0.0007698,0.0066884,-0.0102576,-0.0124217,0.0121041,0.0082649,0.0028733,0.0016705, 0.002514,0.0048264,0.0046076,0.002125,-0.001164,0.0008301,-0.001539
Bell_Beaker_CHE,0.122929,0.1304955,0.044877,0.0172 805,0.0386225,0.004044,-0.002115,0.002769,0.0208615,0.0165835,0.0082005,0. 001274,-0.020069,-0.011629,0.0104505,0.000928,-0.001825,0.0026605,0.003394,0.005878,-0.0018095,0.000989,-0.002465,-0.0068085,-0.003413
Bell_Beaker_CZE,0.1264221,0.1317737,0.0544615,0.04 63115,0.0334385,0.01456,0.0028119,0.0056576,0.0036 743,0.0027649,0.0002463,0.0040103,-0.0115238,-0.0124714,0.0130291,0.0087555,-0.0003642,0.0013062,0.0035846,0.0039372,0.0034767, 0.0037266,-0.001904,-0.0001412,-0.002618
Bell_Beaker_England,0.1281142,0.1234808,0.0636217, 0.0673036,0.0256001,0.022745,0.0015319,0.0035126,-0.0033254,-0.0103537,-0.0030131,0.0040963,-0.0109569,-0.0151232,0.025616,0.0090259,-0.0062489,0.0015484,0.0025233,0.0063456,0.0060033, 0.0038516,0.0008216,0.0043246,-0.001508
Bell_Beaker_England_EBA,0.130897,0.126941,0.070144 ,0.064923,0.030159,0.01757,0.00752,0.002077,0,-0.004374,-0.00406,-0.000749,-0.014123,-0.014588,0.039087,0.027844,0.003651,0.005321,-0.007793,-0.001501,0.012852,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.006989,0.013532
Bell_Beaker_FRA,0.1259643,0.1235563,0.057448,0.063 5233,0.0266713,0.025472,0.0052483,0.0005387,0.0038 86,-0.0134247,-0.00341,0.0034467,-0.0107033,-0.018258,0.0212177,0.0147173,0.0057367,0.0009717,0 .0056987,0.005086,0.005033,0.0042043,-0.0010273,0.0088763,-0.0016367
Bell_Beaker_FRA_C,0.132604,0.1340495,0.0605275,0.0 385985,0.041854,0.0107375,-0.00047,0.006346,0.008897,0.0126655,-0.00203,0.012889,-0.015089,-0.0157575,0.0143865,0.0117345,-0.007888,0.0023435,-0.0016965,0.001751,-0.0004365,0.0058115,-0.0009245,-0.001265,-0.00467
Bell_Beaker_HUN,0.1257745,0.1629925,0.0422375,-0.023902,0.063704,-0.018546,0.00235,0.0040385,0.0291445,0.047928,0.00 17055,0.0029225,-0.010927,0.001445,-0.021308,-0.0068945,0.01519,6.35e-05,0.0108725,0.000688,0.0051785,0.0009275,-0.0077645,-0.015424,0.0016765
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA,0.1257744,0.1316381,0.0481301, 0.0340765,0.0300056,0.0126898,0.0032901,0.0024231, 0.0023009,-0.000296,-0.0010552,0.00414,-0.007303,-0.0111819,0.0093139,0.0102591,0.0030314,-0.0015836,0.0037395,0.0022978,0.0014351,0.0006182,-0.0002465,-0.0023499,0.0012724
Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale,0.1287624,0.1302415,0.0592081,0.0496612,0.03 45064,0.0172565,0.0001469,0.0049614,0.0053944,0.00 04327,-0.003796,0.0037654,-0.007693,-0.0117152,0.0231405,0.0064472,-0.0040745,-0.0011717,0.0022468,0.0064408,0.0062079,0.0065999,-0.0062856,-0.0021688,-0.0012126
Bell_Beaker_NLD,0.1284778,0.1228792,0.0626964,0.07 32402,0.024543,0.0242984,0.0004994,0.003346,-0.0082066,-0.0132576,-0.0051356,0.0029222,-0.0081208,-0.014588,0.0251934,0.0100105,-0.0060466,-0.0022011,0.0012412,0.0072378,0.005849,0.0026894,0 .0002158,0.0061454,-0.000464
Bell_Beaker_POL,0.1269128,0.1261795,0.0529855,0.04 94997,0.0312365,0.0156178,0.0038188,0.0028268,-0.0039882,-0.000729,-0.0025577,0.003784,-0.013417,-0.01156,0.017406,0.0104415,-0.002934,0.0017102,0.0042738,0.0066908,0.0065508,0 .0051935,0.0020952,-0.0002107,-0.0012872
Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main,0.117238,0.1046,0.057322,0.072675,0.020311,0. 025658,0.00517,0.000462,-0.013499,-0.01713,-0.005034,0.004046,-0.02111,-0.015551,0.018187,0.012331,0.012256,0.003041,-0.001131,0.014507,-0.000499,0.002226,0.002095,0.004097,-0.005149
Bell_Beaker_Scotland,0.122929,0.1228795,0.066562,0 .07106,0.027082,0.0280285,0.0005875,0.003461,-0.0002045,-0.010934,-0.006983,0.0065195,-0.011447,-0.0118355,0.0264655,0.001989,-0.0095835,0.00114,0.001571,0.000938,0.0085475,0.00 6739,-0.002095,0.010604,-0.000479
and these targets :
Austrian,0.1290886,0.1350056,0.054394,0.032737,0.0 347756,0.0125666,0.0072299,0.0062441,0.0028274,0.0 027551,-0.0038781,0.0007847,-0.0012942,0.0027849,0.0005029,0.0036968,0.0002223, 0.00079,0.0031793,0.0008385,-0.0009909,-0.0026548,0.0016675,0.0029627,-0.0010284
Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727,0.01282 31,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
Croatian,0.128051,0.1338467,0.0518917,0.0314925,0. 035822,0.0125223,0.0060161,0.0067381,0.0018408,-0.0058862,-0.001153,-0.0023827,0.0047275,0.0127851,-0.0066365,-0.0022011,0.0027512,-0.0007223,0.0018101,-0.0007503,-0.005166,-0.0024236,0.0044246,-0.0010966,0.0001796
Czech,0.1311592,0.1318625,0.0604843,0.0472574,0.03 8658,0.0189217,0.0063451,0.0086623,0.0046724,-0.0088874,-0.0016862,-0.0038965,0.0060493,0.011772,0.0017435,0.0009995,-0.0006419,-0.0001462,0.0035679,0.0028956,-0.001267,-0.0001617,0.0065132,0.0039302,0.0015935
Danish,0.1286198,0.1365888,0.0652418,0.0490152,0.0 441618,0.01757,0.003995,0.007788,0.0021475,-0.004009,-0.0051962,0.0019858,-0.0073588,-0.0026492,0.0211385,0.0018232,-0.010822,0.0008235,0.006599,0.0038145,0.0028078,0. 0008653,0.0016023,0.0151828,0.0054485
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0613546,0.0 431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0063902,0.0 064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224 324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068 516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
French_Auvergne,0.1254161,0.1446566,0.0474194,0.01 29918,0.0434726,0.0039974,-0.0003394,0.0025128,0.0154076,0.0221721,-0.0024659,0.0073546,-0.0139686,-0.0096693,0.0082989,0.001483,-0.0007871,0.0014968,0.0030726,-0.000213,0.0018579,0.003737,-0.0022823,0.0018163,-8.87e-05
French_Brittany,0.1314657,0.1383406,0.0578504,0.03 92849,0.0391688,0.0158131,0.0031549,0.0042114,0.00 8186,0.0094899,-0.0051314,0.00559,-0.014368,-0.0131017,0.0183426,0.0043987,-0.0073016,0.0012795,-0.000462,0.0017727,0.0044671,0.0017868,-0.001254,0.0105465,0.0006586
French_Nord,0.1282752,0.1405432,0.0513571,0.025605 1,0.0382728,0.0088906,0.0010967,0.0044194,0.008373 ,0.0120166,-0.003484,0.0040328,-0.0108613,-0.0081823,0.0111991,0.0025432,-0.0046069,0.0022266,0.0040947,0.0010308,0.0021327, 0.0015249,-0.0015724,0.0074707,1.45e-05
French_Occitanie,0.1270391,0.1448823,0.048879,0.01 79086,0.0433756,0.0034164,0.0005222,0.0038909,0.01 48564,0.0235894,-0.0032883,0.0065816,-0.0150436,-0.0094578,0.010737,0.0025671,-0.0037088,0.0024846,0.0014247,4.52e-05,0.0036706,0.0024456,-0.0025505,0.0017673,0.0004224
French_Paris,0.1271714,0.1414355,0.0504313,0.02399 01,0.0409027,0.0093048,0.0027985,0.0054544,0.01160 22,0.0181739,-0.0077061,0.0068121,-0.0129065,-0.0103844,0.0137695,0.0060631,-0.0018255,0.0046644,0.0027082,-0.0009778,0.0022007,0.0035747,-0.0012325,0.0111405,-0.0019051
French_Pas-de-Calais,0.1278613,0.140482,0.0543053,0.026809,0.042 1617,0.0127363,0.0041517,0.0013073,0.0085217,0.012 4527,-0.0080113,0.002198,-0.0100097,-0.012019,0.0136627,0.008132,-0.000478,0.001816,-0.003645,0.004252,0.0099827,0.0014427,-0.002547,0.0059043,-0.001437
French_Provence,0.1219247,0.1438468,0.0368914,0.00 5358,0.0368574,0.0023296,0.0022671,0.0036379,0.010 0577,0.0204533,-0.0038687,0.0072112,-0.0121376,-0.0109614,0.0059557,0.0031744,0.0010967,0.0028095, 0.0017746,-0.0015155,0.0015414,0.0027349,0.0003552,0.0054435, 3.52e-05
French_Seine-Maritime,0.1360185,0.1370965,0.0452545,0.0295545,0 .039084,0.0167335,0.00423,-0.000692,0.003988,0.006014,-0.003735,0.0074935,-0.0075815,-0.0016515,0.0142505,0.0035135,-0.0079535,-0.002344,0.0009425,-0.0050025,0.0039305,0.0055025,0.000863,0.0042775,-0.0044905
French_South,0.1261811,0.1447856,0.0496183,0.00885 94,0.0506907,0.0026694,0.0002686,0.0022747,0.02764 01,0.0386601,-0.0067741,0.0073649,-0.021853,-0.0135659,0.0103729,0.0027653,-0.0051034,0.0017917,0.0002154,0.0019116,0.0049911,-0.0008301,-0.0052646,-0.0075569,-0.00142
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
German_East,0.1308965,0.1384928,0.0610936,0.049984 2,0.0381225,0.0161408,0.0063158,0.007038,0.0021988 ,-0.0049205,-0.0052168,-0.0017799,-3.71e-05,0.008223,0.0013064,-0.0031324,-0.0079045,0.0011876,0.0053106,-0.0007504,0.0006239,-0.0011128,0.0017716,0.0016118,-0.0003142
Hungarian,0.1270753,0.1296252,0.0553559,0.0364298, 0.0363804,0.0119326,0.0066138,0.0075326,0.0020597,-0.0046731,-0.0014731,-0.0027191,0.0038544,0.0087488,-0.0043722,0.0001231,-8.4e-05,-0.0003891,0.0026486,-0.0013221,-0.003378,0.0013865,0.0055286,0.0026939,0.0004789
Icelandic,0.1326987,0.1336267,0.067819,0.0563097,0 .0393663,0.0229619,0.0033488,0.0085188,0.0026418,6 .07e-05,-0.0054806,0.0051702,-0.0063675,-0.0090831,0.0230725,0.0052924,-0.0116909,0.0019109,0.0017389,0.0038873,0.0092545, 0.0028028,-0.0008422,0.0140179,0.0008282
Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0.0482532,0.038 3388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582 ,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0.0534334, 0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0.0057267, 0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Serbian,0.1265712,0.137706,0.0370332,0.0138244,0.0 298516,0.003012,0.003854,0.006,0.0011862,0.0026242 ,-0.0010716,-0.0006894,0.0042816,0.0120556,-0.0128932,-0.005489,0.0062582,-0.0002786,0.004676,-0.0049274,-0.007836,-0.00183,0.0053492,0.00094,-0.0028502
Slovakian,0.1304414,0.128769,0.0626776,0.0514862,0 .0412384,0.0200244,0.006768,0.0077998,-0.0018408,-0.0115538,-0.0019162,-0.0037466,0.009871,0.0104318,-0.0091476,0.0092814,0.012934,0.0002534,0.0054304,0 .0023512,-0.0037186,-0.0020774,0.0043382,0.001928,-0.0018922
Slovenian,0.1288476,0.1352686,0.056191,0.0338504,0 .0349602,0.0126616,0.0065332,0.0069688,0.0031086,-0.004483,-0.0031828,-0.0022482,0.0022298,0.0151936,-0.0086318,-0.002201,0.0002086,0.0013682,0.0078184,-0.0011508,-0.004018,-0.0027946,0.0014052,-0.001976,0.0021792
Spanish_Andalucia,0.1081318,0.1460759,0.0357074,-0.003434,0.0452553,-0.0058567,-0.0019295,0.0026598,0.0247151,0.0311624,-0.0021538,0.0072724,-0.0132072,-0.0114083,0.0102433,-0.0024984,-0.0061762,-0.0011002,-0.0042604,-0.0021325,0.0029291,-0.0013016,-0.0019719,-0.0053334,0.0018844
Spanish_Aragon,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Spanish_Asturias,0.110408,0.144205,0.045632,0.0006 46,0.051702,-0.007251,-0.007285,0.006923,0.025975,0.031345,-0.003248,0.008093,-0.019029,-0.009083,0.014386,-0.013392,-0.015907,0.001267,-0.005405,-0.000875,0.006863,-0.006059,-0.001602,0.001325,0.006466
Spanish_Baleares,0.1160993,0.1469133,0.040603,-0.0027993,0.0407257,-0.0022313,-0.0005483,0.0024613,0.0192253,0.0292793,-0.004547,0.007943,-0.015015,-0.0126153,0.003936,0.0022537,0.0019993,0.0010557,0 .0011313,-0.004377,0.000541,0.000618,0.0012327,0.0003217,-0.004111
Spanish_Barcelones,0.1192866,0.1490798,0.045707,0. 0046512,0.0459162,0.0033466,0.0032432,0.003646,0.0 208614,0.0296314,-0.0041572,0.0070438,-0.014331,-0.0092206,0.007763,-0.0004244,-0.006102,-0.0001016,0.0023632,-0.0035268,0.0035686,-4.96e-05,-0.0039932,-0.003639,0.0015326
Spanish_Galicia,0.1087643,0.1464619,0.0410642,-0.0016509,0.0412043,-9.29e-05,-0.0054572,0.0024231,0.0247133,0.0300285,-0.0021291,0.0057365,-0.0126113,-0.0121567,0.0111441,0.0005893,-0.0042375,-0.0021607,-0.0050418,-0.0010076,0.0008734,-0.002899,-0.0008079,-0.0036818,0.0013038
Spanish_Navarra,0.1195143,0.1462363,0.044249,-0.0007537,0.048727,-0.0012083,-0.0032117,-0.0014613,0.024952,0.038695,-0.0049797,0.0114897,-0.0152627,-0.0170197,0.0156533,0.0028287,-0.0087357,0.0010977,-0.002472,-0.0025427,0.0046583,0.0025553,-0.0069427,4.03e-05,0.0047503
Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.128241,0.1516523,0.0563163,0. 008075,0.052112,0.0024173,0.000235,0.002923,0.0277 467,0.039849,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Spanish_Valencia,0.1179965,0.1446283,0.0408548,-0.0008882,0.0464702,-0.0014408,-0.0019975,0.0016346,0.0231624,0.0332581,-0.0030042,0.0083301,-0.0128593,-0.0123401,0.0096022,-0.0008507,-0.0046938,-0.0017209,-0.001236,-0.0009171,0.0055735,-0.0013706,-0.0020438,-0.0051411,0.0020557
Swedish,0.1339317,0.1282953,0.0720659,0.0563097,0. 0409013,0.0214348,0.0070612,0.0092964,0.0049085,-0.0065951,-0.0048022,0.001513,-0.004651,-0.0038337,0.0150003,0.0040156,-0.0072332,0.0020029,0.0034837,0.0048772,0.0070768, 0.0022787,0.0011269,0.0106612,-0.0009751
Swiss_French,0.1273395,0.1448398,0.0414364,0.01021 49,0.0411615,0.0064842,0.0008224,0.0028845,0.01181 11,0.0194308,-0.000751,0.0065942,-0.0159622,-0.0125238,0.0083468,0.0021712,0.0057533,-0.0016154,0.003661,-0.0003439,0.0047886,0.0036478,0.0016638,0.0025756,-0.0004791
Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.022731 1,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.008640 9,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.04 05922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.004 3372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
The distances are interesting, but also the results in "multi", particularly if you sort them out by clicking distance and average.
Edit : I started out with many more European pops, but then removed all those that didn't get at least one distance below 5 to at least one BB ref.
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