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brianalt
08-31-2017, 04:31 AM
I've had the z2103 test done at familytree. I've been categorized as r-y4364. I'm a newbie to most of this. Does anyone have info on R-Y4364?

spruithean
08-31-2017, 04:48 AM
I've had the z2103 test done at familytree. I've been categorized as r-y4364. I'm a newbie to most of this. Does anyone have info on R-Y4364?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y4364/

A fair number of people belonging to downstream clades of Y4364 are from Armenia.

According to some sources R-Z2103 or atleast it's predecessor R-L23 have some sort of connection to the Yamna (Yamnaya) culture, perhaps?

Here is an older thread on the subject of the enigma that was (still is?) R-Z2103:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1501-R-Z2103-amp-Early-R1b-an-Enigma-of-Western-Europe

Joe B
08-31-2017, 08:18 PM
Hi Brian,
Y4364 is a SNP from the same phylogenetic bloc that L277 sits. Y4364 is a much more reliable SNP for testing. R1b-Y4364, L277 is found from the Indian Subcontinent to Western Europe in diffuse numbers. There are a couple of populations with increased R1b-Y4364 numbers such as Armenians and Ashkenazi Jews. That doesn't mean R1b-Y4364 originated in those populations.
Yours is an interesting haplotype with no close STR matches. You've tested negative for most R1b-Y4364 downstream branches. The BY13762 branch was not tested. If you can, order a NGS test like the Big Y or Y-Elite. That way, the SNPs defining your branch can be discovered. It would help develop the R1b-Y4364, L277 area of the phylogenetic tree.

brianalt
09-01-2017, 03:35 PM
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated. My family history has always been a mystery.

Joe B
09-01-2017, 04:28 PM
Thanks Brian. You're a good example of what lgmayka and I were talking about, increasing your STRs at this point would be fruitless. The only next best step is a NGS test like Big Y or Y-Elite. That way, your SNP mutations can be mapped from Y chromosome Adam to yourself. Family mysteries are not unusual for the R1b-Z2103 haplogroup. You have an unusual R1b-Y4364, L277 haplotype for Poland.

MTANGELONE
06-14-2018, 10:42 PM
I am also y-4364, my paternal line is Italian (Abruzzo) is there any likelihood that my haplotype is Etruscan in origin?

brianalt
03-22-2019, 03:48 PM
I've now had the Big Y-700 test done. I'm still trying to understand what exactly was uncovered with this test. I don't have any matches.


My results were as follows:


R-Z2103>R-M12149>R-Y4362>R-Y4364


Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.

MacUalraig
03-22-2019, 03:53 PM
I've now had the Big Y-700 test done. I'm still trying to understand what exactly was uncovered with this test. I don't have any matches.


My results were as follows:


R-Z2103>R-M12149>R-Y4362>R-Y4364


Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.

Download your BAM file and submit it to YFull for analysis and tree placement (as well as match contacting). That sounds a bit high level as a final result?
unless you are negative for all the sub-branches here:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y4364/

alex4carmen
07-25-2019, 07:49 AM
Hi Brian,
Y4364 is a SNP from the same phylogenetic bloc that L277 sits. Y4364 is a much more reliable SNP for testing. R1b-Y4364, L277 is found from the Indian Subcontinent to Western Europe in diffuse numbers. There are a couple of populations with increased R1b-Y4364 numbers such as Armenians and Ashkenazi Jews. That doesn't mean R1b-Y4364 originated in those populations.
Yours is an interesting haplotype with no close STR matches. You've tested negative for most R1b-Y4364 downstream branches. The BY13762 branch was not tested. If you can, order a NGS test like the Big Y or Y-Elite. That way, the SNPs defining your branch can be discovered. It would help develop the R1b-Y4364, L277 area of the phylogenetic tree.

You can order the downstream SNP of Y4364 from the M269 tree line, without ordering the big or elite Y. Each SNP would cost you $39 with FTDNA. But Y4364 maybe the end road for some. In most cases it won’t go any further than Y4364, regardless what you order. Big-Y is not to search the downstream of your final haplotype, but to find distant relatives. You could order elite Y, still need to order the SNP of the main haplogroup, then subclades in order to get down to your final haplotype. R1b/M269 is the haplogroup, Z2103 is the subclade, Y4364 is the haplotype.

brianalt
08-02-2019, 03:57 PM
You can order the downstream SNP of Y4364 from the M269 tree line, without ordering the big or elite Y. Each SNP would cost you $39 with FTDNA. But Y4364 maybe the end road for some. In most cases it won’t go any further than Y4364, regardless what you order. Big-Y is not to search the downstream of your final haplotype, but to find distant relatives. You could order elite Y, still need to order the SNP of the main haplogroup, then subclades in order to get down to your final haplotype. R1b/M269 is the haplogroup, Z2103 is the subclade, Y4364 is the haplotype.

Thanks for your assistance with this. All a big mystery to me.

AlexanderAkopian
02-03-2020, 07:27 AM
That’s funny you should ask, because you and I are sharing the same haplogroup and haplotype, and my autosomal ancestry line shows 12% Tuscany. I’ve tested with FTDNA, Living DNA and MyHeritage DNA, they’ve all showed the same results. According to my results, I’m 80% Armenian, 12% Tuscany, 3% Greek, 3% middle eastern and 2% Singh. Interesting to know how that came about. ��

brianalt
04-02-2020, 04:33 AM
Thanks for your reply, Alexander. My results are somewhat different than yours. My autosomal testing shows 35% German, 23% British, 22% Irish, 11% Russian, 5% Norwegian and 4% Swedish. My testing shows no direct Armenian or Italian ties... All very mysterious...

dosas
04-02-2020, 07:01 AM
You can't possibly assign modern ethnic group classifications to subclades with a TMRCA of 4900ybp, just sayin'.

ketty
04-17-2020, 07:13 PM
Hi, my results seem to be similar to the gentlemen in this thread, although slightly further down the tree R-BY47863 below R-BY13762 which i believe was mentioned earlier in this discussion. My paternal line is English, would R-Y4364 be considered a rarity for the British isles.
Thank you in advance and nice to meet you all.