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Principe
09-02-2017, 04:51 PM
I am going to post a series of regions of Southern Italian Y dna based off ftdna

I am starting off with Puglia, for some of the results I nevgen predicted, unfortunately any R1b, R1a and I that is has not been tested further cannot be Nevgen predicted anyways these are the results as follows. Sample is rather small at 41

I will start by breakdown of haplogroups:

E: 22%
J2a: 20%
G: 15%
R1b: 13%
J1: 8%
I2: 8%
I1: 6%
T: 5%
R1a: 5%

For E: We have 6 E-V13, which breakdown into 4 E-Y3183, 1 E-L17 and 1 E-FGC11457. We have 2 E-V12 and 1 E-Y2947.

For J2a: We have 2 J-M92, 2 J-Z6048, 1 J-PH4970 (J-L1064), 1 J-CTS7683 (needs further testing), 1 J-Z482 (very likely J-Y15222) and 1 J-M319.

For G: We have 1 that could not be further predicted so G-M201, 1 G-PF3345, 1 G-L293 (G-Z6653), G-L79 (seems very close to G-M377) and 1 G-CTS5990.

For R1b: We have 2 R-PF7563, 1 R-Y28788 and 2 just at R-M269.

For J1: We have 1 J-PF4872 (J-L829), 1 J-Z2324, and 1 J-ZS2513.

For I2: All under I-P37 there is 3.

For I1: We have one just at I-M253, 1 I-BY3411, and 1 I-L38

For T: We have 1 T-CTS8862 and 1 T-L131.

For R1a: We have 1 R-M12280 and 1 R-Z283.

Hawk
01-03-2021, 06:54 PM
I find the presence of E-Y3183 which is a subclade under E-V13 => Z5018 => S2979 and R-PF7563 interesting.

digital_noise
01-04-2021, 10:15 PM
Not Puglia related but just some additional Y data and surnames from my matches. The two with * are confirmed from the same town as my side, which is E-V13. The rest are either Naples and the surrounding area or unknown. Likely Naples area, Calabria or Sicily but itís not listed so not certain

Romano* I-Y7219
Renda* G-Z6759
LaPolla Naples R-M269

DíAmore-Aversa, Campania - G-L30
Futia -unknown- G-CTS9909
LaRosa -unknown- G-Z31464
Tremonti -unknown- J-M205
Trimboli -unknown- J-L26

Musashi
01-07-2021, 07:42 AM
I'm italian from Puglia, and I fall under E-V13>CTS5856>BY3880>S7461>BY5026>FT40236.
My subclade is present only in Italy and Swirzerland (here It arrived during the middle Age coming from central Italy).

Hawk
01-07-2021, 09:19 AM
I'm italian from Puglia, and I fall under E-V13>CTS5856>BY3880>S7461>BY5026>FT40236.
My subclade is present only in Italy and Swirzerland (here It arrived during the middle Age coming from central Italy).

I suspect Messapians/Iapiguans/Daunians were one of the many Danubian tribes related to Illyrian tribes that settled in Western Balkans. The difference is that Messapians directly migrated in Italy hence we see low J2b2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 in Puglia. This is just speculation from my side ofcourse.

Musashi
01-07-2021, 07:40 PM
I suspect Messapians/Iapiguans/Daunians were one of the many Danubian tribes related to Illyrian tribes that settled in Western Balkans. The difference is that Messapians directly migrated in Italy hence we see low J2b2-L283 and R1b-Z2103 in Puglia. This is just speculation from my side ofcourse.

It could be, even if BY5026 seems to have come in Italy entering from north-east, from modern Austria/Slovenia/Hungary, during the late bronze age, according to snptracker website, while messapians arrived directly in Apulia crossing the adriatic sea during the iron age.

vettor
01-07-2021, 08:49 PM
It could be, even if BY5026 seems to have come in Italy entering from north-east, from modern Austria/Slovenia/Hungary, during the late bronze age, according to snptracker website, while messapians arrived directly in Apulia crossing the adriatic sea during the iron age.

The Messapians/Iapgians/Daunians/Peucetians/Iapodes came to land in modern Foggia circa 1000BC and make there way down to the heel of Italy conquering and absorbing local tribes ...........they where brought there by the Liburnians as they originally lived next to them ................

The Liburnians at the same time colonised the Picene lands

This is very well covered by italian scholars , both old and new ..............there are many internet papers on this

Liburnians and Iapodes spoke similar language .................just need to find out , when Messapians/Daunians/Peucetians arrived in Italy, did the language change as they absorbed the local Italic tribes

There was only one naval power in the Adriatic up to 700BC and that was the Liburnians

Try snptracker with no smooth path on ............results look more realistic

vettor
01-07-2021, 08:51 PM
I am going to post a series of regions of Southern Italian Y dna based off ftdna

I am starting off with Puglia, for some of the results I nevgen predicted, unfortunately any R1b, R1a and I that is has not been tested further cannot be Nevgen predicted anyways these are the results as follows. Sample is rather small at 41

I will start by breakdown of haplogroups:

E: 22%
J2a: 20%
G: 15%
R1b: 13%
J1: 8%
I2: 8%
I1: 6%
T: 5%
R1a: 5%

For E: We have 6 E-V13, which breakdown into 4 E-Y3183, 1 E-L17 and 1 E-FGC11457. We have 2 E-V12 and 1 E-Y2947.

For J2a: We have 2 J-M92, 2 J-Z6048, 1 J-PH4970 (J-L1064), 1 J-CTS7683 (needs further testing), 1 J-Z482 (very likely J-Y15222) and 1 J-M319.

For G: We have 1 that could not be further predicted so G-M201, 1 G-PF3345, 1 G-L293 (G-Z6653), G-L79 (seems very close to G-M377) and 1 G-CTS5990.

For R1b: We have 2 R-PF7563, 1 R-Y28788 and 2 just at R-M269.

For J1: We have 1 J-PF4872 (J-L829), 1 J-Z2324, and 1 J-ZS2513.

For I2: All under I-P37 there is 3.

For I1: We have one just at I-M253, 1 I-BY3411, and 1 I-L38

For T: We have 1 T-CTS8862 and 1 T-L131.

For R1a: We have 1 R-M12280 and 1 R-Z283.

Who is this T you have ?...........is it surname Benedetto ? or one beginning with G

They are both from the T1a2 branch ( L131 ) .........the other marker you have is also from T1a2 branch

vettor
01-07-2021, 08:58 PM
The Messapians/Iapgians/Daunians/Peucetians/Iapodes came to land in modern Foggia circa 1000BC and make there way down to the heel of Italy conquering and absorbing local tribes ...........they where brought there by the Liburnians as they originally lived next to them ................

The Liburnians at the same time colonised the Picene lands

This is very well covered by italian scholars , both old and new ..............there are many internet papers on this

Liburnians and Iapodes spoke similar language .................just need to find out , when Messapians/Daunians/Peucetians arrived in Italy, did the language change as they absorbed the local Italic tribes

There was only one naval power in the Adriatic up to 700BC and that was the Liburnians

Try snptracker with no smooth path on ............results look more realistic


good series of old italic tribes

here is the picenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxw5l6-1GOE

Musashi
01-08-2021, 07:48 AM
The Messapians/Iapgians/Daunians/Peucetians/Iapodes came to land in modern Foggia circa 1000BC and make there way down to the heel of Italy conquering and absorbing local tribes ...........they where brought there by the Liburnians as they originally lived next to them ................

The Liburnians at the same time colonised the Picene lands

This is very well covered by italian scholars , both old and new ..............there are many internet papers on this

Liburnians and Iapodes spoke similar language .................just need to find out , when Messapians/Daunians/Peucetians arrived in Italy, did the language change as they absorbed the local Italic tribes

There was only one naval power in the Adriatic up to 700BC and that was the Liburnians

Try snptracker with no smooth path on ............results look more realistic


Already done, and the situation is the same. Moreover, you are describing events of the 1st Millennium BC (iron age, as I told before) which are really more recent than the formation time of BY5026 (more than 4000 ybp).
I know very well ancient history, and I really don't need to study it through Wikipedia. I'm just reflecting about what can be observed actually with the data avaible.