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DR2001
09-08-2017, 10:46 PM
Hello people and world.
English is not my first language so I'm sorry in advance for any mistake.
I am a sephardi jewish from Israel and i have got today the weirdest FTDNA results.
All of my grandparents came from morocco to Israel but I know I have deeper roots in sephardic communities in Greece (Thessaloniki), Netherlands and maybe even in Turkey and Italy.
I know that I'm full sephardi- my great grandparents spoke Ladino (Haketia- judeo spanish) and all of my known surnames shows that my family have been expelled from Spain and Portugal in the late 15th century. also I'm a descended of Rabbi shlomo alkabetz, one of the most important sephardic rabbis(borned in salonika, Greece and his parents were expelled from Spain).

my Ftdna results arrived today:
35% south east europe
23% asia minor
21% north african
12% sephardi jew
6% west middle east
2% ashkenazi
1% Iberia


how am I only 14% Jewish diaspora? I am full sephardic to my knowledge.
how am I 23% asia minor?- thats way too hight to be true.

I guess the north african and the Levantine parts makes sense..

but I thought I'd be way more sephardi diaspora.........

and what about the 35% south east europe? I mean my family is white (white skined , light eyed and me maternal side is light haired) but I never thought I'm going to have 35% Italy&Balkans. where is it coming from?

Do you think these results are accurate ?
Should i upload my raw dna data to gedmatch and DNA.LAND?
By the way most of my matches are sephardi surnames from north africa, some are hispanics from south america and some are ashkenazi jews.

thanks and have a nice day

Dewsloth
09-08-2017, 10:52 PM
Gedmatch will probably give you clearer results. FTDNA's MyOrigins is not to be taken too seriously.

My dad is German, English and maybe 10% Ashkenazi (top 3)
My mom is Lebanese with one probable Armenian great-grandparent.

My MyOrigins result:

Asia Minor 12%
East Middle East 2%
North Africa 0%
West Middle East 6%
British Isles 0%
East Europe 0%
Finland 0%
Scandinavia 6%
Southeast Europe 22%
Iberia 0%
West and Central Europe 24%
Ashkenazi 0%
Sephardic 28% :lol:

DR2001
09-08-2017, 11:14 PM
Gedmatch will probably give you clearer results. FTDNA's MyOrigins is not to be taken too seriously.

My dad is German, English and maybe 10% Ashkenazi (top 3)
My mom is Lebanese with one probable Armenian great-grandparent.

My MyOrigins result:

Asia Minor 12%
East Middle East 2%
North Africa 0%
West Middle East 6%
British Isles 0%
East Europe 0%
Finland 0%
Scandinavia 6%
Southeast Europe 22%
Iberia 0%
West and Central Europe 24%
Ashkenazi 0%
Sephardic 28% :lol:

Thank you very much. I'll do DNA.land, Myherritage and Gedmatch the moment Ftdna will allow me to dowloand my raw data(for some reason it says eror).
Do you know what are the recommended Gedmatch tests for Jewish people?

asm
09-08-2017, 11:23 PM
MyOrigin's Asia Minor is given quite high for some people.(including me).I'm sure some portion of it Middle East or Southeast Europe actually.

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 01:49 AM
Your SE Europe and Asian Minor are definitely higher than the Sephardi averages I have seen around here. It's pretty normal to get West Middle East, North African and a little Ashkenazi too.
Please upload your data to Gedmatch! I'm interested in comparing it. :)

P.S I think I actually match you on FTDNA...

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 04:04 AM
cool results , :)
very high north african %
maybe some Berber tribes in morocco did convert in some point in history and joined
the jewish communities .
thank for sharing
|kind regards
adam


p.s
it would be extremely interesting if you will upload your raw data
to my heritage
if you can't give it to a kind person in this forum who will upload it for you
they have Sephardi jewish reference from morocco
and other jewish references
and yes your south east europe is huge :)

DR2001
09-09-2017, 08:32 AM
cool results , :)
very high north african %
maybe some Berber tribes in morocco did convert in some point in history and joined
the jewish communities .
thank for sharing
|kind regards
adam


p.s
it would be extremely interesting if you will upload your raw data
to my heritage
if you can't give it to a kind person in this forum who will upload it for you
they have Sephardi jewish reference from morocco
and other jewish references
and yes your south east europe is huge :)

I can't dowloand my raw DNA data at the moment- maybe because the results were arrived only few hours ago.. it will probably work in a day or two.
I think i cant upload my raw dna data to myheritage because I'm from Israel and it's not available here at the moment. maybe it will work with VPN?
IDK.. If you can upload the raw data for me it would be great.

and what about gedmatch? what gedmatch tests are recommended for sephardi jews?

Thank you in advance.

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 11:25 AM
you can ask any member here who lived outside
of Israel
i am also from Israel :)
that's why someone uploaded my ftdna raw data for me
yes vpn is a solution for you
kind regards
adam

DR2001
09-09-2017, 12:25 PM
you can ask any member here who lived outside
of Israel
i am also from Israel :)
that's why someone uploaded my ftdna raw data for me
yes vpn is a solution for you
kind regards
adam

I have uploaded my raw dna data to myheritage and dna.land . when the results are ready i will update here.
Gedmatch calculators actually gives me 95% Moroccan jew/ Algerian Jew/ Italian jew.
Maybe FTDNA reference for Sephardi jew does not include north african sephardim..
p.s
For some reason I can't post images here; or even copy the gedmatch results...

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 01:08 PM
maybe you don't have enouth posts here
you are right in your assumpation :)
josh from ftdna forum work with ftdna and ask them personaly about the sefhardic refrence used in my origins 2.0
they talled him they used sefhardic jews from turkey and greece who live in the usa .
http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=42130
i score 36% sefhardic in my origins 2.0 .
hope to see your results
kind regards
adam

p.s
you can send me your gedmatch kit number privately
and i will post your eurogenes k13 , eurogenes k36 , dodecad v3,
and any other calculator you want me to post ......

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 02:16 PM
here is coffeprince results { middle of the page}
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9093-MyHeritage-DNA/page36
he is 50% morocan jewish sefhardi by heritage
so you can look what he got
in his non aschenazi side ....
i wonder if you will also score balkan ....
kind regards
adam

DR2001
09-09-2017, 03:04 PM
here is coffeprince results { middle of the page}

he is 50% morocan jewish sefhardi by heritage
so you can look what he got
in his non aschenazi side ....
i wonder if you will also score balkan ....
kind regards
adam

The website keeps telling me that I can't post any messages because I'm adding linksfor something like this and I'm not even trying to add links.
something is weird here so how can I send you a private message so you could post here my dna land and gedmatch results.

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 03:25 PM
I'm interested in your Gedmatch results too. I think the most accurate results I get from Gedmatch is from Dodecad. It's literally 100% spot on. Eurogenes K13 is good too, but they don't have a Moroccan Jewish sample - so the most closest representation is usually Algerian Jewish.

You might have to wait until you have 10 posts to post links...

Edit: Whoops, no Eurogenes K13 I think is the most accurate. I actually get this

"Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +50% Ashkenazi @ 6.647662"

And if you substitute Algerian for Moroccan, its 100% correct.

DR2001
09-09-2017, 03:46 PM
I will wait until I will have 10 comments and than I will post here my gedmatch results and DNA.land results

DR2001
09-09-2017, 03:55 PM
I'm interested in your Gedmatch results too. I think the most accurate results I get from Gedmatch is from Dodecad. It's literally 100% spot on. Eurogenes K13 is good too, but they don't have a Moroccan Jewish sample - so the most closest representation is usually Algerian Jewish.

You might have to wait until you have 10 posts to post links...

Edit: Whoops, no Eurogenes K13 I think is the most accurate. I actually get this

"Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50 Algerian Jewish +50% Ashkenazi "

And if you substitute Algerian for Moroccan, its 100% correct.

Eurogenes k13 2 population approximation have me as:
50% algerian jew+ 50% sephardi jew.

DR2001
09-09-2017, 03:57 PM
The one population approximation is 100% sephardic jew.

stealth
09-09-2017, 04:04 PM
The one population approximation is 100% sephardic jew.


Can you post your Eurogenes K13 when you get 10 posts please? The regional results and 2 populations oracles

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 04:10 PM
Yes, I'd like to see your results and percentage breakdown too :)

DR2001
09-09-2017, 04:30 PM
I will upload ftdna picture, DNA.LAND picture and EUROGENES K36 when I will have 10 messages.

DR2001
09-09-2017, 04:31 PM
What Gedmatch test are recommended?

Dewsloth
09-09-2017, 04:37 PM
Check Jtest (eurogenes) along with the others. You should just be able to copy/paste results from the tests here as text.

Dewsloth
09-09-2017, 04:41 PM
example:

my Jtest

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 24.4
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 14.69
3 ATLANTIC 13.98
4 WEST_ASIAN 11.12
5 WEST_MED 10.5
6 MIDDLE_EASTERN 9.47
7 ASHKENAZI 6.91
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 4.98
9 EAST_EURO 2.61
10 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.03
11 EAST_AFRICAN 0.3


# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 8.78
2 GR 11.28
3 Tuscan 11.6
4 North_Italian 15.36
5 RO 17.83
6 Serbian 18.34
7 PT 20.23
8 TR 20.81
9 ES 22.35
10 AJ 22.62
11 AT 23.17
12 FR 23.33
13 HU 24.39
14 IQ 25.43
15 Assyrian 25.65
16 West_&_Central_German 26.39
17 Armenian 26.52
18 IR 26.56
19 Kurdish 26.71
20 Mandean 26.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# * Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 * 53.7% FR + 46.3% Mandean @ 4.29
2 * 57.4% PT + 42.6% Mandean @ 4.99
3 * 52.5% FR + 47.5% Assyrian @ 5.27
4 * 56.3% PT + 43.7% Assyrian @ 5.39
5 * 81.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.6% DK @ 5.45
6 * 81.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.3% Scottish @ 5.46
7 * 83% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 17% North_Swedish @ 5.53
8 * 82.2% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 17.8% NO @ 5.53
9 * 82.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 17.7% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.54
10 * 81.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.6% Orcadian @ 5.58
11 * 80.6% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 19.4% English @ 5.62
12 * 79.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 20.7% West_&_Central_German @ 5.63
13 * 81.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.3% IE @ 5.65
14 * 50.3% Samaritan + 49.7% English @ 5.66
15 * 80.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 19.7% NL @ 5.75
16 * 54.9% ES + 45.1% Mandean @ 5.75
17 * 52.3% FR + 47.7% IQ @ 5.89
18 * 81.2% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 18.8% Cornish @ 5.89
19 * 50.4% Cornish + 49.6% Druze @ 5.91
20 * 55.8% FR + 44.2% Druze @ 5.91

stealth
09-09-2017, 04:44 PM
What Gedmatch test are recommended?

Eurogenes K13, regional results and 2 population oracles

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 04:48 PM
eurogenes k13 , eurogenes k36 ,
j-test , mdlp k23b, dodecad v3 , dodecad k7b, dodecad k12b

and please your my heritage results post here http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9093-MyHeritage-DNA/page97
should be extremely intresting
kind regards
adam

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 04:58 PM
Jtest doesn't register Sephardi heritage though... only Ashkenazi.
But DR looks 100% Sephardi, his Eurogenes top 2-population sharing group was Sephardi and then a breakdown within that Sephardi.

DR2001
09-09-2017, 05:45 PM
For some reason I still can't post links although I already have 10 messages...
I'm sorry guys.
Can someone post the results for me?

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 05:48 PM
For some reason I still can't post links although I already have 10 messages...
I'm sorry guys.
Can someone post the results for me?

I match your Kit I think. I'll PM you.

Dewsloth
09-09-2017, 05:48 PM
You don't need a link, just drag across the results with the mouse, copy and paste the text.

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 05:50 PM
^or yes, just copy+paste like Dewsloth mentioned.

DR2001
09-09-2017, 05:57 PM
Ok I Think It works now...

FTDNA:
https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__059b3aa4b1852c.jpg

DNA.LAND:
https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__059b4177e0328c.jpg

EUROGENES K13:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.28
2 West_Med 19.73
3 North_Atlantic 13.13
4 West_Asian 12.38
5 Red_Sea 9.72
6 Sub-Saharan 3.71
7 Baltic 2.57
8 Northeast_African 2.26


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.502717
2 Algerian_Jewish @ 4.925002
3 Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.226051
4 Libyan_Jewish @ 5.913563
5 Italian_Jewish @ 6.068522
6 South_Italian @ 9.761884
7 Ashkenazi @ 9.980804
8 East_Sicilian @ 11.014479
9 Cyprian @ 12.601828
10 Central_Greek @ 13.326106
11 West_Sicilian @ 13.814157
12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 15.692856
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 15.794766
14 Syrian @ 16.092922
15 Palestinian @ 17.301220
16 Samaritan @ 17.306168
17 Jordanian @ 17.359041
18 Tunisian @ 17.870520
19 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.367859
20 Algerian @ 19.533976

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.738477


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Tunisian @ 2.411281


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 1.865783
2 Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber + Sephardic_Jewish + South_Italian @ 1.880543
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Tunisian @ 1.905611
4 Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian + West_Sicilian @ 1.926126
5 Algerian + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + South_Italian @ 1.987726
6 Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian @ 2.034808
7 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian @ 2.081036
8 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.115851
9 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian @ 2.119448
10 Algerian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan @ 2.123922
11 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian @ 2.130847
12 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber + Tuscan @ 2.139023
13 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber + North_Italian @ 2.141143
14 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Tunisian @ 2.147739
15 Algerian + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.157289
16 Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber + Sephardic_Jewish + West_Sicilian @ 2.161264
17 Algerian + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 2.166470
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Mozabite_Berber + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.178173
19 Algerian + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish + West_Sicilian @ 2.183559
20 Algerian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.186297


EUROGENES K36:
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.02
Armenian 4.96
Basque 2.49
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.44
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 18.11
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 13.60
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.21
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 19.02
North_African 9.91
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 0.25
Northeast_African 2.29
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.09
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 0.80
West_Caucasian 6.37
West_Med 4.43

J TEST:
# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 28.33
2 WEST_MED 17.31
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 16.56
4 WEST_ASIAN 9.43
5 ASHKENAZI 9.35
6 ATLANTIC 7.68
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 4.59
8 EAST_AFRICAN 2.68
9 WEST_AFRICAN 2.11
10 SOUTH_BALTIC 1.95


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 10.053406
2 GR @ 13.088294
3 Samaritan @ 21.519279
4 Tuscan @ 21.676121
5 IQ @ 22.314137
6 AJ @ 24.325647
7 TR @ 24.563931
8 Algerian @ 24.597754
9 Assyrian @ 26.088095
10 Mandean @ 26.373972
11 North_Italian @ 26.426743
12 Moroccan @ 26.711637
13 Armenian @ 28.190849
14 Druze @ 28.391373
15 RO @ 30.345186
16 Kurdish @ 31.098394
17 IR @ 31.709223
18 PT @ 32.079021
19 Serbian @ 32.667465
20 ES @ 34.237049

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Samaritan +50% Tuscan @ 7.402398


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +25% Moroccan +25% Samaritan @ 3.209512


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 GR + Moroccan + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.947831
2 GR + GR + Moroccan + Samaritan @ 3.209512
3 Druze + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.270229
4 Moroccan + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.433360
5 Druze + GR + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.501101
6 Druze + Moroccan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.581618
7 Algerian + GR + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.142672
8 Algerian + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.197381
9 Druze + GR + Moroccan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.291255
10 Druze + GR + GR + Mozabite_Berber @ 4.296248
11 Algerian + GR + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 4.361319
12 Assyrian + Moroccan + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 4.377303
13 Assyrian + Moroccan + North_Italian + Samaritan @ 4.431908
14 Druze + GR + Mozabite_Berber + Tuscan @ 4.502813
15 GR + GR + Mozabite_Berber + Samaritan @ 4.556771
16 Algerian + GR + GR + Samaritan @ 4.608266
17 Mandean + Moroccan + Samaritan + Tuscan @ 4.693318
18 Mandean + Moroccan + North_Italian + Samaritan @ 4.696044
19 Druze + Mozabite_Berber + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 4.699412
20 Algerian + Druze + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.708415

MDLP K23B:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.82
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.84
3 North_African 14.92
4 Near_East 14.82
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.57
6 South_Central_Asian 5.10
7 Subsaharian 2.47


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan_Jew_ @ 4.398554
2 Libyan_Jew_ @ 5.169607
3 Tunisian_Jew_ @ 5.585595
4 Turk_Jew_ @ 6.910984
5 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 7.098425
6 Italian_Jew_ @ 7.326427
7 French_Jew_ @ 8.797441
8 Maltese_ @ 10.049170
9 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 10.577226
10 Syrian_Jew_ @ 11.204951
11 Sicilian_East_ @ 11.485343
12 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 12.528527
13 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 12.632700
14 Sicilian_West_ @ 12.912049
15 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 13.219353
16 Cretan_ @ 13.472819
17 Sicilian_Center_ @ 14.146024
18 Romanian_Jew_ @ 14.200561
19 Ashkenazi_ @ 14.638583
20 Cypriot_ @ 15.211784

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moroccan_Jew_ +50% Tunisian_Jew_ @ 4.252411


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Islands_ +25% Moroccan_ +25% Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 1.981375


DODECAD V3:
# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 31.97
2 West_Asian 24.41
3 Southwest_Asian 14.68
4 West_European 12.20
5 Northwest_African 9.74
6 East_African 2.46
7 East_European 1.69
8 Neo_African 1.68
9 Palaeo_African 1.18


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 5.157277
2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 10.812695
3 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 11.306880
4 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 13.882619
5 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 16.313559
6 Palestinian_HGDP @ 17.431370
7 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 17.723991
8 S_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.258368
9 Lebanese_Behar @ 18.471249
10 Egypt_Henn @ 18.908459
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.792578
12 Samaritians_Behar @ 20.226379
13 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 20.527315
14 Greek_Dodecad @ 20.663948
15 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 20.666082
16 Jordanians_19_Behar @ 20.966415
17 Cypriots_Behar @ 21.272091
18 Druze_HGDP @ 21.493322
19 Turkish_Dodecad @ 21.996098
20 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.128193

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews_Behar +50% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 5.157277


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi_Dodecad +25% Druze_HGDP +25% Morocco_N_Henn @ 1.771114


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
1 Assyrian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + North_African_Dodecad + Tuscan_Xing @ 1.551878
2 Assyrian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + North_African_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn @ 1.565588
3 Assyrian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + North_African_Dodecad + TSI_HapMap @ 1.642299
4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Morocco_N_Henn @ 1.771114
5 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_N_Henn @ 1.910100
6 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_N_Henn @ 1.911855
7 Assyrian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_N_Henn + Tuscan_Xing @ 1.928382
8 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Sahara_OCC_Henn @ 1.960903
9 Armenians_16_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar + Sahara_OCC_Henn @ 1.987120
10 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Morocco_N_Henn @ 1.990116
11 Assyrian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + TSI_HapMap + Sahara_OCC_Henn @ 2.001328
12 Assyrian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_N_Henn + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.001860
13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_N_Henn @ 2.002274
14 Armenian_Dodecad + Algeria_Henn + Portuguese_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.045385
15 Assyrian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + North_African_Dodecad + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.049978
16 Armenians_16_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Spanish_Dodecad + Sahara_OCC_Henn @ 2.081631
17 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_N_Henn @ 2.083333
18 Armenian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sahara_OCC_Henn + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.084818
19 Assyrian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Sahara_OCC_Henn + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.104636
20 Assyrian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Sahara_OCC_Henn + Tuscan_Xing @ 2.117602

DODECAD K7B:
# Population Percent
1 Southern 43.42
2 Atlantic_Baltic 25.75
3 West_Asian 25.41
4 African 5.43


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
7 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 3.132501
2 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 4.352008
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 9.971446
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 10.109907
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 11.046525
6 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 12.339382
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 13.734932
8 Greek_Dodecad @ 18.954605
9 Lebanese_Behar @ 19.118898
10 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.996004
11 Palestinian_HGDP @ 20.461676
12 Jordanians_Behar @ 20.594032
13 Syrians_Behar @ 20.970942
14 Druze_HGDP @ 22.333086
15 Turkish_Dodecad @ 23.268759
16 Bedouin_HGDP @ 23.584406
17 Egyptans_Behar @ 24.212370
18 Turks_Behar @ 24.401304
19 Algerian_Dodecad @ 24.829103
20 Tuscan_HGDP @ 26.548183

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bedouin_HGDP +50% Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.140126


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +25% Moroccan_Dodecad +25% N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.196453


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 C_Italian_Dodecad + Egyptans_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.399956
2 Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.482197
3 Egyptans_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.499562
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.612894
5 Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.623537
6 Egyptans_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.626936
7 Druze_HGDP + Egyptans_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.637316
8 Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.646455
9 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Druze_HGDP + Egyptans_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.652307
10 Egyptans_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.666023
11 Algerian_Dodecad + Cantabria_1000Genomes + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.693458
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Egyptans_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.704191
13 Egyptans_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 0.729538
14 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Egyptans_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.747408
15 Armenian_Dodecad + Moroccan_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.757569
16 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Egyptans_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 0.777134
17 Algerian_Dodecad + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 0.777960
18 Algerian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar @ 0.786187
19 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Egyptans_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.798847
20 Baleares_1000Genomes + Druze_HGDP + Egyptans_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 0.798916

DODECAD K12B:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.45
2 Atlantic_Med 22.33
3 Southwest_Asian 15.97
4 Northwest_African 11.07
5 North_European 7.01
6 Gedrosia 4.15
7 Sub_Saharan 1.92
8 East_African 1.80


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 6.414412
2 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 7.475271
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 10.623919
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 11.194190
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 12.399646
6 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 13.172581
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 17.203695
8 Lebanese_Behar @ 17.297482
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 19.017504
10 Jordanians_Behar @ 19.733738
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 20.160038
12 Syrians_Behar @ 20.809618
13 Palestinian_HGDP @ 21.049746
14 Turkish_Dodecad @ 21.823278
15 Druze_HGDP @ 21.831589
16 Turks_Behar @ 23.660847
17 Egyptans_Behar @ 23.688696
18 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.808840
19 Tuscan_HGDP @ 24.685492
20 TSI30_Metspalu @ 25.624269

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews_Behar +50% Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 6.352326


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +25% Greek_Dodecad +25% Moroccans_Behar @ 1.611640


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.400757
2 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.419482
3 Algerian_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 1.448151
4 Algerian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Druze_HGDP @ 1.554357
5 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.555208
6 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.570409
7 Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Moroccans_Behar @ 1.611640
8 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP @ 1.716413
9 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Druze_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.721514
10 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.765252
11 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Druze_HGDP @ 1.769127
12 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 1.805277
13 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Druze_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.857023
14 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP @ 1.915890
15 Cypriots_Behar + Druze_HGDP + Greek_Dodecad + Moroccan_Dodecad @ 2.049717
16 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.089583
17 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 2.107062
18 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Greek_Dodecad @ 2.122670
19 Algerian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar @ 2.156620
20 Algerian_Dodecad + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.211119

DR2001
09-09-2017, 06:04 PM
FTDNA ancient origins:
https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__059b42d30b804a.jpg

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 06:52 PM
great results :)
we just need my heritage and we have everything :)

eurogenes k36
13.60% iberian
2.5% basque

p.s
afcorse you have those south west european allells
so i don't know why you didn't score south west europe in dna land at least ....

DR2001
09-09-2017, 07:15 PM
great results :)
we just need my heritage and we have everything :)

eurogenes k36
13.60% iberian
2.5% basque

p.s
afcorse you have those south west european allells
so i don't know why you didn't score south west europe in dna land at least ....

I really don't understand what is going on lol.
Am I more european than average sephardi? less european?
Am I more berber than the average sephardi?
and what about the asia minor in Ftdna? it seems to high and I dont see it anywhere else (except for dna land but it is still significantly lower than in ftdna?)

Is my DNA classic for North african sephardi?

I suspect that berber dna might come from my maternal grandmother side.
This side of the family looks kind of Nordic (high cheekbones, upturned nose, red and blonde hair and even some light eyes- blue, hazel and green, but my paternal side have higher frequency of light eyes)
I don't think my southeastern (greek&italian) dna can explain those traits but i actually saw some berber tribes with those traits

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1LUpSIWLWHs/UlLhQTArRAI/AAAAAAAABYU/le0CYhX6JWg/s1600/Amazingh_tribe_caucasian.jpg

IDK maybe i'm just speculating...
Every dna company gives me different results and even in real life people don't believe me that I'm moroccan jew because I'm kind of fair (and my older brother lives in germany and he is paler than the locals).

I'm just very confused right now. FTDNA said i'm basically half european(balkan&italy) and half MENA(berber and turk), dna.land puts me as 2/3 Mediterranean and 1/3 alpine and Gedmatch sais that I'm typical Moroccan/sephardi jew and that I have iberian blood...

kingjohn
09-09-2017, 07:25 PM
i am more confused than you bro
in my case also test don't look much alike
my heritage dont look l;ike my origins 2.0
and not like dna land ...
you have to understand that all this is fun but there is a lot of work to do by those dna companies
and some rules :
a} each company have different set of references populations that they compare your dna to
b} each dna company have different algoritem

2 of those rules effect the results you get from each company thats why results are different between each company.

my sugest take all those results and look at all the main components that show in all those tests
if something is turn in all 3-4 companies it is probably real
enjoy the journey :)
best
adam

coffeeprince
09-09-2017, 07:26 PM
Your results to me look almost like typical Sephardi. I do think your Northwest African component is slightly higher than the Moroccan Jewish average. It can definitely be from if you have recent Berber ancestry.
You can compare to the averages in the Gedmatch database by clicking the spreadsheet option after you receive your results from the calculators.
Edit: I also think you have more Sub-Saharan than the average Moroccan Sephardi.
Edit 2: Look at the Spreadsheet for Eurogenes13, you're just about average (+/- a few percentage) for Sephardi with North Atlantic, West Med, West Asian, East Med and Red Sea.

DR2001
09-09-2017, 08:22 PM
Your results to me look almost like typical Sephardi. I do think your Northwest African component is slightly higher than the Moroccan Jewish average. It can definitely be from if you have recent Berber ancestry.
You can compare to the averages in the Gedmatch database by clicking the spreadsheet option after you receive your results from the calculators.
Edit: I also think you have more Sub-Saharan than the average Moroccan Sephardi.
Edit 2: Look at the Spreadsheet for Eurogenes13, you're just about average (+/- a few percentage) for Sephardi with North Atlantic, West Med, West Asian, East Med and Red Sea.

Actually both Ftdna and DNA.land gave me 0% Sub Saharan African...

DR2001
09-11-2017, 01:39 PM
My Myheritage DNA results:
https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__059b68fdeab475.jpg

kingjohn
09-11-2017, 05:44 PM
nice results :)
the huge morocan jewish sefhardic is inline with your ancestery
but even with that reference you still got
west med southern european components : sardinian , and iberian
i think the siere -leone they gave you is noise
in eurogenes k36 you don't score west african if i remember it is lower than 2% in my heritage so it can be a mistake
kind regards
adam

p.s
you can see that even 1 difference in reference can change all results
the sefhardi in my origions 2.0 is sefhardic jews from turkey and greece
so some of the southern european you score in my origins 2.0 went to the huge sefhardi moroocan componnet you score in my heritage .

DR2001
09-11-2017, 06:19 PM
nice results :)
the huge morocan jewish sefhardic is inline with your ancestery
but even with that reference you still got
west med southern european components : sardinian , and iberian
i think the siere -leone they gave you is noise
in eurogenes k36 you don't score west african if i remember it is lower than 2% in my heritage so it can be a mistake
kind regards
adam

p.s
you can see that even 1 difference in reference can change all results
the sefhardi in my origions 2.0 is sefhardic jews from turkey and greece
so some of the southern european you score in my origins 2.0 went to the huge sefhardi moroocan componnet you score in my heritage .

So if you Ignore any jewish reference you can simply say that my dna is about 50% Southern European(Italian,Greek and Iberian), 20% North African Berber, and about 30% Middle Eastern(levantine and turk)?

kingjohn
09-11-2017, 08:42 PM
something like that :)
and more like your dna land results
why dna land because the aschenazi reference is extremely small in your case
and they don't have Sephardi reference
so what you score there is the bigger picture if you don't count the jewish references in my origins 2.0 and my heritage .
regards
adam

mikeeraz
10-09-2017, 11:29 PM
I am Lebanese and I had:

48% Asia Minor
23% West Middle East
7% East Middle East
3% South East Europe
18% Sephardic Jew

My grandfather had 24% Sephardic Jewish. No knowledge of any Sephardic ancestry in my family, but again, this probably goes back a few hundred+ years. Very interesting for us!

MonkeyDLuffy
10-09-2017, 11:36 PM
It could be shared ancestry as well, afterall the shared base components are similar if not same.

Dewsloth
10-10-2017, 07:20 AM
I am Lebanese and I had:

48% Asia Minor
23% West Middle East
7% East Middle East
3% South East Europe
18% Sephardic Jew

My grandfather had 24% Sephardic Jewish. No knowledge of any Sephardic ancestry in my family, but again, this probably goes back a few hundred+ years. Very interesting for us!


It could be shared ancestry as well, afterall the shared base components are similar if not same.

Right. Also see my Mom's Lebanese results - same 18% as Mike:

That is one of the issues. MyOrigins has other issues, too. Check out my spontaneously generating Scandinavian and Sephardic. :)

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