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Cocopopsmonkey
09-12-2017, 10:08 AM
Could this be attributed to Hara hachi bun me - a Confucian teaching that instructs people to eat until they are 80 percent full

shazou
04-27-2019, 11:00 PM
It must be that raw fish or sushi I heard

ArmandoR1b
04-28-2019, 12:06 AM
Spain to beat Japan in world life expectancy league table for 2040 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/spain-to-beat-japan-2040-world-life-expectancy-league-table

johny rryan
08-13-2019, 05:43 AM
I think China and India may be the next life expectancy in Asia.

Kale
08-13-2019, 02:54 PM
Islam has a similar principle, which translates nicely to English - 'don't eat until you are hungry, and don't eat until you are full'.

Umiole
09-12-2019, 04:29 PM
They have a very healthy culture of food. Basics are fish, rice, good quality meat, miso soup and green tea (cold of hot). Also they eat small portions and they have so called bento boxes for lunch which is a very balanced meal.

Milkyway
09-19-2019, 05:54 PM
Females but not males (Swiss males have the world's highest life expectancy). Also, I'd like to see the results comparing different regions of the same country, and also different ethnicities. There are likely substantial differences between those. In the case of Japan, I think they have lower obesity rates and they also drink less alcohol than in most Western nations. Also, they say Japan is one of the safest countries.

Bog Body
09-19-2019, 06:26 PM
...they [the Japanese people] also drink less alcohol than in most Western nations.
I don't know. I've gone to dinners with Japanese associates and they can drink as heartily as any Irishman or Dane that I know.


Tangent:
That got my curiosity going. Here's a link with figures on national alcohol consumption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capit a
There's hardly any European countries in the top 50!

Ramiro
12-17-2019, 02:37 AM
Yes, some Japanese people drink a lot.

ferterx21
09-11-2020, 09:08 PM
Maybe Japanese live drink but not all

JerryS.
09-12-2020, 03:10 AM
Females but not males (Swiss males have the world's highest life expectancy). Also, I'd like to see the results comparing different regions of the same country, and also different ethnicities. There are likely substantial differences between those. In the case of Japan, I think they have lower obesity rates and they also drink less alcohol than in most Western nations. Also, they say Japan is one of the safest countries.

the more homogenous a population is, the less social strife they have. the less strife, the less stress.

Xeon
09-12-2020, 03:59 AM
the more homogenous a population is, the less social strife they have. the less strife, the less stress.

Japan being one of the safest is mostly due to their respect-focused culture. their collective mentality and social structure is very different. It really has nothing to do with how homogenous a place is genetically speaking anyway. It is however very homogenous culturally speaking. There are countless of homogenous countries which have destroyed their own country from within

Xeon
09-12-2020, 04:00 AM
I don't know. I've gone to dinners with Japanese associates and they can drink as heartily as any Irishman or Dane that I know.


Tangent:
That got my curiosity going. Here's a link with figures on national alcohol consumption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capit a
There's hardly any European countries in the top 50!

I hardly find that wiki ranking accurate. I spent a majority of my time drinking and partying with north americans and without a doubt US and Canada would top most European countries.

JerryS.
09-12-2020, 04:06 AM
Japan being one of the safest is mostly due to their respect-focused culture. their collective mentality and social structure is very different. It really has nothing to do with how homogenous a place is genetically speaking anyway. It is however very homogenous culturally speaking. There are countless of homogenous countries which have destroyed their own country from within

those others are not homogenous if all they are is looking alike. this is shown in the middle east every day between shia and sunni.

Xeon
09-12-2020, 08:36 AM
those others are not homogenous if all they are is looking alike. this is shown in the middle east every day between shia and sunni.

Not sure what you mean by this. Middle eastern culture is not even comparable to Japanese culture, it has many ethnic tensions and century old feuds. Japanese culture is extremely civilized and progressive hence their lower crime rate and high respect. There are homogenous European countries that still have trouble with safety and security within their society. It has nothing to do with how homogenous a country is. It is strictly based off culture. Japan is what it is today because of its culture. You can't develop a utopia if your culture is flawed to begin with.

Japan's life expectancy is mostly based on medical advances and diet. Any country can raise their life expectancy by providing modern universal health care. The diet itself is a big part of the equation. Most east asian countries have a very healthy diet due to their seafood-rich cuisines. It's pretty self explanatory

JerryS.
09-12-2020, 08:22 PM
Not sure what you mean by this. Middle eastern culture is not even comparable to Japanese culture, it has many ethnic tensions and century old feuds. Japanese culture is extremely civilized and progressive hence their lower crime rate and high respect. There are homogenous European countries that still have trouble with safety and security within their society. It has nothing to do with how homogenous a country is. It is strictly based off culture. Japan is what it is today because of its culture. You can't develop a utopia if your culture is flawed to begin with.

Japan's life expectancy is mostly based on medical advances and diet. Any country can raise their life expectancy by providing modern universal health care. The diet itself is a big part of the equation. Most east asian countries have a very healthy diet due to their seafood-rich cuisines. It's pretty self explanatory

I'm not sure where your disconnect is with this. the MORE homogenous the society, the less violence they have between themselves. the less the violence the less stress and stress directly affects ones physical and mental state. for some reason you think homogenous only applies to looking alike. if you look alike but have different religions, you are less homogenous than people who look alike and have the same religion. if you look alike but have different cultures, you are less homogenous than people who look alike and have the same culture.... the middle eastern reference was just an example of how people can look alike, even have similar DNA but that is their only homogenous link because of tribal/cultural and religious differences which are not so homogenous and create strife in their lives.

Xeon
09-12-2020, 10:33 PM
I'm not sure where your disconnect is with this. the MORE homogenous the society, the less violence they have between themselves. the less the violence the less stress and stress directly affects ones physical and mental state. for some reason you think homogenous only applies to looking alike. if you look alike but have different religions, you are less homogenous than people who look alike and have the same religion. if you look alike but have different cultures, you are less homogenous than people who look alike and have the same culture.... the middle eastern reference was just an example of how people can look alike, even have similar DNA but that is their only homogenous link because of tribal/cultural and religious differences which are not so homogenous and create strife in their lives.

That's pretty much what I have been saying. If you introduce a foreign culture to Japan, it'll affect the society but you need to understand that it doesn't matter on how homogenous it is. I can name you European countries that are homogenous but still have safety and security issues amongst their own people. It is specifically based on how your culture operates.

Scandinavian countries can also be compared with Japan. They have very low crime rates and a strong socialist society. If you were to mix one group with the other, I doubt you will run into issues.

Multiculturalism works as long as the different cultures are similar and compatible. You're generalizing multiculturalism with for example what's going in places like Sweden, with the influx of migrants and rape. It's the perfect example of incompatible cultures mixing

If scandinavians were to migrate to Japan in high numbers, I highly doubt the Japanese will feel "stressed" like you claim. Both groups know how to behave and happen to be very progressive and respectful people based on their cultures alone.

JerryS.
09-13-2020, 12:50 AM
That's pretty much what I have been saying. If you introduce a foreign culture to Japan, it'll affect the society but you need to understand that it doesn't matter on how homogenous it is. I can name you European countries that are homogenous but still have safety and security issues amongst their own people. It is specifically based on how your culture operates.

Scandinavian countries can also be compared with Japan. They have very low crime rates and a strong socialist society. If you were to mix one group with the other, I doubt you will run into issues.

Multiculturalism works as long as the different cultures are similar and compatible. You're generalizing multiculturalism with for example what's going in places like Sweden, with the influx of migrants and rape. It's the perfect example of incompatible cultures mixing

If scandinavians were to migrate to Japan in high numbers, I highly doubt the Japanese will feel "stressed" like you claim. Both groups know how to behave and happen to be very progressive and respectful people based on their cultures alone.

this is what I'm getting at, looking alike is not enough to be homogenous. I don't understand your need to try to counter what I said when you fundamentally agree with it.

Xeon
09-13-2020, 01:25 AM
this is what I'm getting at, looking alike is not enough to be homogenous. I don't understand your need to try to counter what I said when you fundamentally agree with it.

I don't agree with the premise of your general argument.
It is certainly possible to have a heterogenous or multicultural area with low crime rate and a high degree of progressiveness if and only if the different cultures are compatible with one another.
this does not mean it is homogenous, it is certainly multicultural considering the different origins of the culture BUT the cultures happen to be compatible.

an area with Japanese and Scandinavian residents is not a homogenous area but you can imagine that the crime rate and overall safety and security would be the same and unaffected considering both cultures have these aspects in common.

multiculturalism is not flawed by any means, it is only flawed when its done wrong. there's a massive difference. humans can live amongst one another in peace as long as they come from compatible cultures or fully assimilate.
The culture you are raised and born with depicts how well you can fit in different societies.

JerryS.
09-13-2020, 01:28 AM
I don't agree with the premise of your general argument.
It is certainly possible to have a heterogenous or multicultural area with low crime rate and a high degree of progressiveness if and only if the different cultures are compatible with one another.
this does not mean it is homogenous, it is certainly multicultural considering the different origins of the culture BUT the cultures happen to be compatible.

an area with Japanese and Scandinavian residents is not a homogenous area but you can imagine that the crime rate and overall safety and security would be the same and unaffected considering both culture have these aspects in common.

I think we are talking in circles so I will just say you win.

Slips
10-11-2020, 01:51 AM
Maybe less estrogen and more progesterone plays a role.

mainer
10-14-2020, 12:53 PM
Could this be attributed to Hara hachi bun me - a Confucian teaching that instructs people to eat until they are 80 percent full

That's not bad deduction at all. Yet, I think it only addresses one half of the eating problem we now face: (i) we eat a lot, and (ii) a lot of what we eat happens to be unhealthy. That's a terrible combination. For the young, obesity and diabetes are perhaps the two most dangerous comorbidities to have today (with the Covid-19 pandemic still raging). Boris Johnson has now made room for regulating junk food ads to promote general health. This move came in the aftermath of his successful but difficult battle with Covid. Let's not forget that health advocates were calling for similar measures long before Mr. Johnson went through the ordeal of recovery. In the US, we need to rethink how we approach our performance on health and goodness of life indicators. We may perform better than countries typically known for poor standards of life, but that's not something to celebrate. Asking people to watch what they eat is tricky business too. So it's a delicate issue really. One good way of addressing this issue is the perspective of Food Ethics. It doesn't preach vegetarianism or veganism or any other diet. It's not a rally against meat-eating either. It is simply a way of looking critically at food -- where does it come from, how is it made, how does it affect me as a consumer. Some sociologists (https://www.bartleby.com/subject/social-science/sociology) argue that popular discussions about food are subsumed by the hospitality and leisure discourse. Food is a form of enjoyment, it sure is. But it's also more than that. By all means let's enjoy food, but let's also be conscientious and mindful. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. :)

Jeremy23
02-18-2021, 06:18 AM
They have a very healthy culture of food. Basics are fish, rice, good quality meat, miso soup and green tea (cold of hot). Also they eat small portions and they have so called bento boxes for lunch which is a very balanced meal.

Eating small portions could be beneficial for their digestive system. There are a lot of benefits of eating a balanced diet including healthy body weight, better sleep, and high energy. It requires determination and struggle to develop the habit of eating that balanced diet.