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shazou
09-15-2017, 03:45 AM
www.gencove.com

It's free to upload your raw data from the big-3 and receive an ancestry report :)

timberwolf
09-15-2017, 04:06 AM
Do you have an example of an ancestry report?

Grahamscy
09-15-2017, 04:13 AM
1% Central Indian subcontinent
4% Eastern Mediterranean
2% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
17% Southwestern Europe
9% Northeast Europe
68% Northern and Central Europe

Seems consistent with most other reports from most other companies.

stealth
09-15-2017, 04:41 AM
stealth- Gencove

83% Northeast Europe
11% Southwestern European
7% Eastern Mediterranean


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timberwolf
09-15-2017, 04:42 AM
Northern and Central Europe 77 %
Southwestern Europe 20%
North East Europe 4 %

Adds up to 101% not sure how that works!

stealth
09-15-2017, 04:50 AM
Northern and Central Europe 77 %
Southwestern Europe 20%
North East Europe 4 %

Adds up to 101% not sure how that works!

Seems consistent with all my results, almost exact. The 101% is rounding error I get that also, no big deal. DNALAND and others also have rounding errors.

They switch up couple of the reference populations on Gencove.

timberwolf
09-15-2017, 04:53 AM
Pretty much the same as as DNA Land and Gene plaza.

It is always interesting to me that I get Southwestern Europe, as I have no known ancestry from that part of the world.

nuplix
09-15-2017, 06:20 AM
http://i.imgur.com/aYPzziC.jpg

Sapporo
09-15-2017, 06:37 AM
Looks like I'm getting 90%+ Central Indian subcontinent based on noman's results. The reference populations and the area highlighted make no sense. It's basically the HGDP Pakistani populations + some Gujarati samples (likely Gujarati Houston) yet the majority of South Asia is highlighted including parts of Eastern, Central and Northeast India. On top of that, Kalash are separated from the Pakistan Pakhtuns and Burusho and lumped together with primarily Turkic mixed Central Asians like Hazara, Uygur and Uzbeks.

They would have been better off labeling the Pakistani Pakhtuns, Sindhi, Burusho and Kalash as Indus Valley/South-Central Asia and called Baloch/Brahui/Makrani as Gedrosia and maybe Gujarati as West Indian. Hazara, Uyghur and Uzbek would have been fine as Central Asian.

Edit: At least they admit their South Asian ancestry breakdown sucks. If they're so desperate for South Asian samples, they should give a 50% discount or offer it for free. 20% ain't enough for something inferior to 23andMe.

https://yougenomics.in/

Edit: They're still analyzing my data. Smh.

shazou
09-15-2017, 06:49 AM
Doesn't seem to pick up my minor Euro :)

23andme V4:
https://i.imgur.com/EYJz6pF.jpg
...
FTDNA:
https://i.imgur.com/BmJjDw2.jpg

Sapporo
09-15-2017, 07:14 AM
Well, I got somewhat different results than you noman but if you average out the various components that you didn't score, it's rather similar.

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81% Central Indian subcontinent
8% Southern Indian subcontinent
4% Northeast Europe
4% Northern and Central Europe
2% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
2% Northeast Asia

Reza
09-15-2017, 07:18 AM
Interesting ...

Mother

https://i.imgur.com/lAvUGdA.jpg

Myself

https://i.imgur.com/ihbQ8cp.jpg

Father

https://i.imgur.com/pVszoCG.png

Wife

https://i.imgur.com/LKosm2e.png

It's refreshing to have a little more definition to the subcontinent with the addition of a Bengali cluster, even if the rest of it is left wanting.

Aha
09-15-2017, 07:56 AM
Quite diverse

https://i.imgur.com/qrAiaR6.jpg

Sapporo
09-15-2017, 08:33 AM
It's refreshing to have a little more definition to the subcontinent with the addition of a Bengali cluster, even if the rest of it is left wanting.


Are they really including Eastern Nepali and Bhutanese as part of the Bengal cluster? Two primarily Sino-Tibetan speaking populations? Parts of Burma are included as well. Seriously, I'd love to see the process of how they decided to categorize some of these regions. I understand they are neighboring regions but there is significant differences in the ethnic compositions in parts of the Eastern Himalayas and the Bengal region.

Aha
09-15-2017, 08:36 AM
Are they really including Eastern Nepali and Bhutanese as part of the Bengal cluster? Two primarily Sino-Tibetan speaking populations? Parts of Burma are included as well. Seriously, I'd love to see the process of how they decided to categorize some of these regions. I understand they are neighboring regions but there is significant differences in the ethnic compositions in the Eastern Himalayas and the Bengal region.

Random whim of their graphic designer.

Sapporo
09-15-2017, 08:40 AM
Random whim of their graphic designer.

That's what it looks like. Some of the areas supposedly covered by the coloring in of regions don't actually include any populations from there. Central Indian subcontinent supposedly covers parts of Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and even part of southern Uttarakhand without a single ethnic group from any of these states. The HGDP Pakhtuns included in the Central Indian subcontinent cluster are from an area near the Kurram Valley in the FATA and that specific area isn't even covered by the colored in area for Central Indian subcontinent.

I'm still at awe how the isolated Kalash of Chitral district are lumped in with heavily Turkic admixed Central Asian populations such as the Hazara, Uygur and Uzbeks while their neighboring Pakhtuns and Burusho are in the Central Indian subcontinent cluster with the Baloch/Brahui/Makrani and Sindhis.

Teutorigos
09-15-2017, 10:09 AM
1% Oceania
2% Northeast Europe
98% Northern and Central Europe



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/genocove_zps5159wqvf.png

Zayd
09-15-2017, 01:26 PM
Bengal only 37% doesnt make sense.

POPULATIONS

4% Southeast Asia

1% East Asia

2% North-central Asia

26% Central Indian subcontinent

24% Southern Indian subcontinent

2% Oceania

37% Bengal

5% Northeast Europe

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firemonkey
09-15-2017, 03:20 PM
How long does it take for data to be analysed?

firemonkey
09-15-2017, 05:49 PM
Still analysing ! The progress bar doesn't seem to have moved.

AngryLeeloo94
09-15-2017, 06:03 PM
In order.

57%Northern and Central Europe
27% Eastern Mediterranean
11% Southwestern Europe
3% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
2% Middle East

firemonkey
09-15-2017, 06:07 PM
When it eventually works,if it ever does, I expect mostly North-central European with maybe a little North-East European and East Med (based on calc like dna land and gene plaza)

CelticGerman
09-15-2017, 06:36 PM
My result:

Northern and Central Europe 86%
Northeast Europe 12%
Eastern Mediterranean 3%

Araz95
09-15-2017, 06:41 PM
I'm also seemingly stuck, strange. I made a secondary account and tried uploading another file format - hopefully this time it will work.

firemonkey
09-15-2017, 06:43 PM
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23andMe

I want to upload my father's data but can see no way to upload another file.

lilac9
09-15-2017, 06:54 PM
Make another account for your Dad using a different e-mail address.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
09-15-2017, 07:02 PM
POPULATIONS

1%Central Asia
25%Western Africa
1%Central Africa
71%Eastern Africa
2%Middle East

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ssamlal
09-15-2017, 08:00 PM
My Results (Ancestry DNA):

37% Central Indian subcontinent
41% Southern Indian subcontinent
22% Bengal

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Araz95
09-15-2017, 08:44 PM
Got it working!:beerchug:

Central Asia - 3% (Most likely noise)
Central Indian Subcontinent - 20% (seems about right)
East mediterranean - 20% (once again, seems about right, always get total Italian, greek, balkan on Gedmatch at around 20%)
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau - 55% (yeah, pretty much as expected)
Middle east - 2% (noise)

firemonkey
09-15-2017, 08:49 PM
My father's results. Almost twice the East Med that I got.

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Velislav
09-15-2017, 08:57 PM
It seems that Dna.land, Geneplaza and gencove are using the same software - everything is 1:1 for me. I don't know why they are creating copy-paste websites with no real value...

vettor
09-15-2017, 10:12 PM
IMO, the site aims at gathering more indian/south Asia information than the others ( DNAland, Geneplaza, WeGene )


.......................

37% Eastern Mediterranean
3% Ashkenazi Jewish
23% Southwestern Europe
37% Northern and Central Europe

JerryS.
09-15-2017, 10:17 PM
Got it working!:beerchug:

Central Asia - 3% (Most likely noise)
Central Indian Subcontinent - 20% (seems about right)
East mediterranean - 20% (once again, seems about right, always get total Italian, greek, balkan on Gedmatch at around 20%)
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau - 55% (yeah, pretty much as expected)
Middle east - 2% (noise)

whats the trick to getting the site to come up and work properly?

Kaido
09-15-2017, 10:43 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/d97edd2a0173fe1bfdb3ea6c97ba3873.png

Araz95
09-15-2017, 11:04 PM
whats the trick to getting the site to come up and work properly?

Try downloading the condensed 37th build and upload that one. Worked for me!

gyanwali
09-15-2017, 11:33 PM
I got 67% Central Indian Subcontinent, 16% South Indian, 10% North European, 4% Siberian and 3% Central Asian. I did it straight from them so..... Also Velislav, I did some looking and found that the Gencove founder and CEO, (Joe Pickerell) is on the development team for GenePlaza, so that could be the possible reason for you getting the same results over and over.

Reza
09-16-2017, 12:19 AM
Bengal only 37% doesnt make sense.

POPULATIONS

4% Southeast Asia

1% East Asia

2% North-central Asia

26% Central Indian subcontinent

24% Southern Indian subcontinent

2% Oceania

37% Bengal

5% Northeast Europe

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The components generally seem to balance out.

Central Indian + Southern Indian, plus SE/E Asian pretty much sums up the Bengal component

And then your NE Europe is the extra EHG. Which in others might be Central Asian.

Wouldn't read too much into the individual components vs the general picture.

But it is interesting that for whatever reason, you don't have a stronger affinity to the Bengal component.

Kurumim
09-16-2017, 12:30 AM
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18770&d=1505521818

alexfritz
09-16-2017, 12:43 AM
https://i.imgur.com/JQ4PvlQ.png
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Tomenable
09-16-2017, 01:39 AM
Looks very similar to Geneplaza and DNA.Land results:

https://i.imgur.com/Mc8S0T3.png

BalkanKiwi
09-16-2017, 02:54 AM
FTDNA

26% Eastern Mediterranean
13% Northeast Europe
62% Northern and Central Europe

23andMe

29% Eastern Mediterranean
8% Northeast Europe
63% Northern and Central Europe

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 07:37 AM
my results:
aschenazi : 33%{ in my origins and my heritage i score 26%}
south west Europe : 23%
east med : 12%
middle eastern : 17%
Anatolia Caucasus Iranian :8%
central Indian subcontinent :8% "{ thee same indo-iranian of dna land }
overall results close to dna land not to my heritage and not to my origins 2.0 as both detected 9-11% Slavic genes that are nada 0% here
how different algorithm and references effect the test ...
nice that it is free though .

regards
adam

p.s
i also uploaded my brother and his results are very close to my heritage results

sktibo
09-16-2017, 08:09 AM
69% Northern & Central Europe
15% Southwestern Europe
9% Northeastern Europe
4% Eastern Mediterranean
2% Northeast Asia
2% Americas

Saba123
09-16-2017, 08:13 AM
My results

Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau-50%
Central Indian subcontinent- 33%
Middle East- 13%
East Mediterranean- 3%
Central Asian- 1%

reminds me the most of the old FTDNA ethnicity estimate I think

Dibran
09-16-2017, 08:37 AM
Eastern Mediterranean
Reference populations: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.

Southwestern Europe
Reference populations: Southern French, Spanish, Basque, and Sardinian.


My Results:

23andme:

https://s26.postimg.org/hxn0n4czd/gen23.jpg

Ancestry:

https://s26.postimg.org/wuvho4q7t/genan.jpg

My Father:

https://s26.postimg.org/pg65vr4c9/genr.jpg

CelticGerman
09-16-2017, 09:08 AM
French person:

Northern and Central Europe 43%
Southwestern Europe 26%
Eastern Mediterranean 25%
Northeast Europe 7%

CelticGerman
09-16-2017, 09:11 AM
North German (my uncle):

Northern and Central Europe 72%
Northeast Europe 27%
Eastern Mediterranean 2%

thrax
09-16-2017, 09:13 AM
http://i66.tinypic.com/2jsbkl.png

firemonkey
09-16-2017, 09:36 AM
Uploaded FTDNA build 37, nearly 7 hours later no results .

Zayd
09-16-2017, 10:06 AM
The components generally seem to balance out.

Central Indian + Southern Indian, plus SE/E Asian pretty much sums up the Bengal component

And then your NE Europe is the extra EHG. Which in others might be Central Asian.

Wouldn't read too much into the individual components vs the general picture.

But it is interesting that for whatever reason, you don't have a stronger affinity to the Bengal component.

I also thought that. Central India,Southern India and Bengal are very similar, except Central India has some EHG and Bengal has some SE/NE Asian alongside very likely some EHG as well.

P.S. Central Indian probably has low ASI, an Iranian "Saba123" got 33%.

jortita
09-16-2017, 10:46 AM
I am not sure how reliable the Ancestry DNA upload is, on both Dna.land and Geneplaza, I score around 7.9% South East Asia (Dai, Lahu Kinh), while here I score 0%

3% East Asia

4% North-Central Asia

14% Central Indian Subcontinent

76% Bengali

4% Ashkenazi Jewish

jortita
09-16-2017, 11:15 AM
I have uploaded FTDNA and Living DNA, still to complete processing

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 11:25 AM
there is no south /central Europe component {reference Tuscany and bergamo}
that's why i score 23% southwest Europe and only 6% in DNA land
the Italian genes goes to the southwest european category .
i think my origins 2.0 and my heritage is more precise than gencove that probably used DNA land algorithm

p.s
there east med category is also weird as they unite the {Balkan + med islander components to one component calling it east med }.
it is bad idea :(
because a person can't know how much % of the east med he score match {med islander groups: Sicily, Malta, Cyprus} and how much of it matches { Balkan groups: Greece,Albania, Bulgaria}
butt om line it is a bad version of dna land ...........

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 01:11 PM
my map forget to post it :
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regards
adam

Amerijoe
09-16-2017, 01:48 PM
The common thread for DNAland, Gencove, and Geneplaza is Joe Pickrell.

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VelvetNono
09-16-2017, 02:03 PM
My results:

https://i.imgur.com/VLE7bJr.png

JerryS.
09-16-2017, 02:20 PM
glad I didn't bother to go further with this..... same stuff with a different name...

stealth
09-16-2017, 02:37 PM
there is no south /central Europe component {reference Tuscany and bergamo}
that's why i score 23% southwest Europe and only 6% in DNA land
the Italian genes goes to the southwest european category .
i think my origins 2.0 and my heritage is more precise than gencove that probably used DNA land algorithm

p.s
there east med category is also weird as they unite the {Balkan + med islander components to one component calling it east med }.
it is bad idea :(
because a person can't know how much % of the east med he score match {med islander groups: Sicily, Malta, Cyprus} and how much of it matches { Balkan groups: Greece,Albania, Bulgaria}
butt om line it is a bad version of dna land ...........

Balkan, Med Islander groups are genetically close therefore grouping them together is not bad idea. This is also done with Ancestry grouping Italy/Greece, I have heard no complaints about that.

Joe Pickerell algorithm is better at separating Jewish groups. That goes for all his tests DNALAND, Geneplaza, Gencove.

The commercial company provide an appealing ancestral report to look at based off comparing your results with modern population groups, this is more consoling for most people I am sure, I am more interested in the exact science.

Also this align well with Gedmatch. And family history/paper trail.

stealth
09-16-2017, 02:40 PM
glad I didn't bother to go further with this..... same stuff with a different name...

You should go for it, good algorithm. Takes 30 mins to upload and results maybe they will show your Ashkenazi Jewish :)

khanabadoshi
09-16-2017, 02:52 PM
Myself:



2% Northeast Asia
7% Central Asia
80% Central Indian subcontinent
3% Eastern Mediterranean
9% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau


Brother:



2% Northeast Asia
7% Central Asia
72% Central Indian subcontinent
3% Southern Indian subcontinent
6% Eastern Mediterranean
2% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
6% Northeast Europe
2% Northern and Central Europe


Sister - .hanif (for some reason my sister gets Ashkenazi % on some tests??)



2% Northeast Asia
8% Central Asia
71% Central Indian subcontinent
8% Southern Indian subcontinent
5% Eastern Mediterranean
4% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
4% Ashkenazi Jewish




mGrandmother - .balq



4% Northeast Asia
21% Central Asia
57% Central Indian subcontinent
1% Southern Indian subcontinent
3% Eastern Mediterranean
6% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
9% Northeast Europe


mGrandmother's Brother



1% Northeast Asia
34% Central Asia
33% Central Indian subcontinent
3% Southern Indian subcontinent
5% Bengal
10% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
11% Northeast Europe
3% Americas




pUncle - .jam



1% Northeast Asia
4% Central Asia
83% Central Indian subcontinent
11% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
2% Northeast Europe


mGFSister - .Sadia



7% Central Asia
73% Central Indian subcontinent
19% Southern Indian subcontinent
3% Bengal


Mohmand Pashtun



83% Central Indian subcontinent
12% Eastern Mediterranean
6% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau


Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri



2% Central Asia
79% Central Indian subcontinent
9% Bengal
4% Eastern Mediterranean
6% Northeast Europe



Multan - Syed/Durrani



3% Central Asia
67% Central Indian subcontinent
15% Southern Indian subcontinent
4% Bengal
4% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
8% Northern and Central Europe

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 02:56 PM
bulgarians are not close to sicilians and maltese
much closer to serbian and romanian
and even greeks and albanians have north east european elments that those med islander population lack .
i still think they should put them in 2 groups
balkan
med-islander

p.s
anther thing they lack the south central european rference hgdp samples from bergamo and tuscany
so some italian genes go to the south west category thats what happpen in my case
also for non jews this test is good
but for people of jewish heritage like me it is bad { i preffer my heritage and even my origins 2.0 at least they have sefhardic refernces}

stealth
09-16-2017, 03:56 PM
bulgarians are not close to sicilians and maltese
much closer to serbian and romanian
and even greeks and albanians have north east european elments that those med islander population lack .
i still think they should put them in 2 groups
balkan
med-islander

p.s
anther thing they lack the south central european rference hgdp samples from bergamo and tuscany
so some italian genes go to the south west category thats what happpen in my case
also for non jews this test is good
but for people of jewish heritage like me it is bad { i preffer my heritage and even my origins 2.0 at least they have sefhardic refernces}

So you score 9-11% Slavic genes on other test, you have reason to believe it is Bulgarian= 12% Eastern Mediterranean. Bulgarian is a reference population here.

Yes there is clearly genetic difference with Maltese and Bulgarians, the most separated groups in Eastern Mediterranean.

So for example, if someone has pure Bulgarian genes they could possibly score 100% Eastern Mediterranean with this test, this what I am seeing with @Thrax. Same as me I score 99% East Europe with Ancestry, some Albanians can score 100% Balkan with DNALAND, etc.

Im glad you mention Bulgarians, I have % admix from my paternal grandfather. I knew my Sephardic would be the 11% Southwestern European, I score 9-12% Sephardic with Gedmatch. Was not sure about 7% East Mediterranean at first, now I am sure this is my Bulgarian with reference population update. Bulgarians score mix of North Slavic/Balkan and some additional admix with other tests.

Italian could possibly go to Southwestern European with this test I agree, but not in my case I score only 1.11% Italian on K36.

People with no Jewish history scoring large amount of Sephardic Jewish, Mizrahi Jewish, Ashkenazi Jewish with MyHeritage. There is over 100 pages of complaints about MyHeritage test in that thread, I think this is self explanatory.

Varun R
09-16-2017, 04:13 PM
My Results:

2% Central Asia
72% C Indian Subcontinent
26% S Indian Subcontinent

Makes sense for me...

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 04:13 PM
yes i score 8.9% in my heritage
and 11% in my origins 2.0
and here and dna land which is the same algoritm nada 0%
also my aschenazi is 26% in both my heritage and my origins 2.0 so i believe the 33% here is much higher than reality .

and we have the 8% central india indo -iranian { real aryan } elment that i don't score in my heritage and my origins
how do i know what is the truth ?
realy frustrating :\

kind regards
adam

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 06:33 PM
and my brother who score no slavic in my heritage and my origins 2.0
score 3% north east europe :\
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i think it is inline with the 2.8% finnish he score in eurogenes k36 { they used finnish as one of the references for this component in gencove test }:)

DR2001
09-16-2017, 07:10 PM
For some reason the process bar does not seem to be progressing for 3 hours...
I don't think I will get my results in the following days.

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 07:15 PM
try build 37 file
and maybe another email
kind regards
adam


https://www.gedmatch.com/gedwiki/images/f/f5/ConcatenatedFTDNAdownload.gif

not the one in circle here
but the one in the upper left

firemonkey
09-16-2017, 07:31 PM
Living dna text file= Invalid. Signature has expired. Ditto VCF file

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 07:40 PM
upload 23and me or ancestery by dna raw data instead
the living dna raw data is problematic ......

coffeeprince
09-16-2017, 07:40 PM
So you score 9-11% Slavic genes on other test, you have reason to believe it is Bulgarian= 12% Eastern Mediterranean. Bulgarian is a reference population here.

Yes there is clearly genetic difference with Maltese and Bulgarians, the most separated groups in Eastern Mediterranean.

So for example, if someone has pure Bulgarian genes they could possibly score 100% Eastern Mediterranean with this test, this what I am seeing with @Thrax. Same as me I score 99% East Europe with Ancestry, some Albanians can score 100% Balkan with DNALAND, etc.

Im glad you mention Bulgarians, I have % admix from my paternal grandfather. I knew my Sephardic would be the 11% Southwestern European, I score 9-12% Sephardic with Gedmatch. Was not sure about 7% East Mediterranean at first, now I am sure this is my Bulgarian with reference population update. Bulgarians score mix of North Slavic/Balkan and some additional admix with other tests.

Italian could possibly go to Southwestern European with this test I agree, but not in my case I score only 1.11% Italian on K36.

People with no Jewish history scoring large amount of Sephardic Jewish, Mizrahi Jewish, Ashkenazi Jewish with MyHeritage. There is over 100 pages of complaints about MyHeritage test in that thread, I think this is self explanatory.

I'm still debating whether I should upload or not... as DNA.Land isn't very good (giving me huge amount of Balkans) and if this uses the same algorithms, but I think MyHeritage is very good separating the Jewish ancestry with people who actually have Jewish ancestry (not so much if you don't).

stealth
09-16-2017, 08:02 PM
I'm still debating whether I should upload or not... as DNA.Land isn't very good (giving me huge amount of Balkans) and if this uses the same algorithms, but I think MyHeritage is very good separating the Jewish ancestry with people who actually have Jewish ancestry (not so much if you don't).

Oh yeah, just so you know buddy Yaniv Erlich is designing DNALAND and also MyHeritage, same person just throwing that out there.

There is conclusive evidence people without Jewish paper trail scoring Jewish divided by there regional inheritance.

For example, inflated % with MyHeritage. North Africans scoring Mizrahi Jewish, Mediterraneans scoring Sephardic Jewish, Eastern Europeans scoring Ashkenazi Jewish.

However, in most cases these % will not show up with any other calculators, including Gedmatch.

firemonkey
09-16-2017, 08:37 PM
My heritage. Slightly different result. This time 1% Americas and North East Europe.

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stealth
09-16-2017, 08:39 PM
Just need some clarification on MyHeritage Jewish references vs Gencove.

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Above is Sicilian results MyHeritage from Palermo province.

I dont think is common for person from Italy to be influenced by Mizrahi Jewish at this %? More likely to see Sephardic or Ashkenazi there is however 5% Ashkenazi also. Odd results

JFWinstone
09-16-2017, 08:54 PM
18796

Mine

Aha
09-16-2017, 08:57 PM
18796

Mine

By far the fanciest admixture. At least graphically

JFWinstone
09-16-2017, 09:03 PM
18797

Mum

stealth
09-16-2017, 09:11 PM
Quite diverse

https://i.imgur.com/qrAiaR6.jpg

You score Ashkenazi Jewish and Central Indian with your DNA testing company?

Aha
09-16-2017, 09:17 PM
You score Ashkenazi Jewish and Central Indian with your DNA testing company?

Only the Central Indian. On K36 South_Central_Asian 2.6% Don't know how, but I figure it springs up in some yamna-rich persons in Europe. Many in Britain have it as well.
I don't have a better explanation.

Also, on Kurd's K12 calculator it is 1.6% Southeast Asian. So there is some trace of something

kingjohn
09-16-2017, 09:18 PM
the central Indian{ indo iranian speaking groups used as references} are the Scythian genetic mark in Ukraine
this is a noble blood :)
in eastern Europe it must be Iranian tribes genetic leftover...

Aha
09-16-2017, 09:22 PM
the central Indian{ indo iranian speaking groups used as references} are the Scythian genetic mark in Ukraine
this is a noble blood :)
in eastern Europe it must be Iranian tribes genetic leftover...

Scythians left a lot of gold here... So maybe they also left me 2% of themselves. Who knows. I also score 11.2% Scythian on Kurd's calculator.

Sounds almost romantic

stealth
09-16-2017, 09:24 PM
Only the Central Indian. On K36 South_Central_Asian 2.6% Don't know how, but I figure it springs up in some yamna-rich persons in Europe. Many in Britain have it as well.
I don't have a better explanation.

2.6% South_Central_Asian is rare for Ukrainian. For compare I score 0% on K36.

MDLP K23b I score 1.17 South_Central_Asian.

Population
Amerindian 0.98
Ancestral_Altaic 4.03
South_Central_Asian 1.17
Arctic -
South_Indian 1.00
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 28.56
Archaic_Human 0.05
East_African 0.26
East_Siberian 0.31
European_Early_Farmers 11.91
Khoisan 0.43
Melano_Polynesian 0.17
Archaic_African 0.07
Near_East 1.55
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy 0.12
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian 0.30
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 49.04

stealth
09-16-2017, 09:25 PM
Only the Central Indian. On K36 South_Central_Asian 2.6% Don't know how, but I figure it springs up in some yamna-rich persons in Europe. Many in Britain have it as well.
I don't have a better explanation.

Also, on Kurd's K12 calculator it is 1.6% Southeast Asian. So there is some trace of something

What you score on Jtest for Ashkenazi?

stealth
09-16-2017, 09:29 PM
Scythians left a lot of gold here... So maybe they also left me 2% of themselves. Who knows. I also score 11.2% Scythian on Kurd's calculator.

Sounds almost romantic

There is a chance. Im sure we will know in near future.

Aha
09-16-2017, 09:34 PM
What you score on Jtest for Ashkenazi?

Something over 3%. Why?



There is a chance. Im sure we will know in near future.

That would be cool

stealth
09-16-2017, 09:41 PM
Something over 3%. Why?




That would be cool


Can you post official Jtest results? You score 1% Ashkenazi Jewish with Gencove.

Trixster
09-16-2017, 09:41 PM
There is a chance. Im sure we will know in near future.

I would love to be able to know for sure. I scored 7.7% Askenazi on MH Beta .90 and about 6% Sephardic.

When they sent my enhanced estimate in July (Beta .95) I had a lot of changes and lost all the Jew components. (I got a few new ones and gained an additonal 2% of Central American).

I score a little over 5% on Jtest. On my mom's side her maiden name is of Ashkenazi origin. On my dad's it is of Sephardic origin. On the jtest I score a little over 5% but my family has no idea if any of this is based in fact. Sadly for me I guess I'll never know. :\

stealth
09-16-2017, 09:49 PM
I would love to be able to know for sure. I scored 7.7% Askenazi on MH Beta .90 and about 6% Sephardic.

When they sent my enhanced estimate in July (Beta .95) I had a lot of changes and lost all the Jew components. (I got a few new ones and gained an additonal 2% of Central American).

I score a little over 5% on Jtest. On my mom's side her maiden name is of Ashkenazi origin. On my dad's it is of Sephardic origin. On the jtest I score a little over 5% but my family has no idea if any of this is based in fact. Sadly for me I guess I'll never know. :\

You score slightly above average on Jtest nothing major but worth a look.

MyHeritage I have re-uploaded a few samples and my % seems to change, and the regions change entirely.

Gencove is easy to upload your data.

Trixster
09-16-2017, 09:53 PM
You score slightly above average on Jtest nothing major but worth a look.

MyHeritage I have re-uploaded a few samples and my % seems to change, and the regions change entirely.

Gencove is easy to upload your data.

Thank you stealth. For the record my mom got 0% Ashkenazi or Sephardic on my heritage. My dad got 1% Ashkenazi on my heritage. I will have to remember what they got on the Jay test but they both got a little more than I did.

stealth
09-16-2017, 10:00 PM
Thank you stealth. For the record my mom got 0% Ashkenazi or Sephardic on my heritage. My dad got 1% Ashkenazi on my heritage. I will have to remember what they got on the Jay test but they both got a little more than I did.

Sephardic would be likely real given your heritage.

Ashkenazi is a possibility, MyHeritage is certainly inconsistent reading your samples with 7.7% Ashkenazi, 6% Sephardic.

Compare with your parents scoring 0% and 1%.

Trixster
09-16-2017, 10:04 PM
I was wrong on the percentages. Here are my parents, myself and my youngest child. 18799

18800

Trixster
09-16-2017, 10:06 PM
I was wrong. My parents, myself and my daughter all scored > 6%

18801
This is my daughters.

stealth
09-16-2017, 10:14 PM
I was wrong. My parents, myself and my daughter all scored > 6%

18801

Above average scores for Jtest so certainly could be some Ashkenazi admix.

However, inconsistency is there with MyHeritage. Your parents sample showing only combined 1% Jewish.

Trixster
09-16-2017, 10:18 PM
Above average scores for Jtest so certainly could be some Ashkenazi admix.

However, inconsistency is there with Myheritage. Your parents sample showing only combined 1% Jewish.

Yes. Which is why I am confused. My daughter does show 5% on MH. And this is closer to my first MH estimate.

stealth
09-16-2017, 10:19 PM
Yes. Which is why I am confused. My daughter does show 5% on MH. And this is closer to my first MH estimate.

Upload to Gencove? See what they give you?

Trixster
09-16-2017, 10:22 PM
Will try it thank you. The score in the quote would be my daughter's.

My son tested with 23&Me. I believe he also got 5 or 6%. This is his upload ( son and daughter are from different husbands)
18802

timberwolf
09-16-2017, 11:11 PM
My Ancestry DNA results upload were a bit better than 23andme

Northern and Central Europe 89%
Southwestern Europe 11%

kush
09-16-2017, 11:29 PM
https://imgur.com/1KjZhB3.jpg

My results are quite similar to FtDNA. On FTdna, I scored 87% south central asia, and 89% south indian in this. I also get 13% Central asian on FTdna, and 12% central indian here.

What surprises me the most is Varun and I have nothing in common on this. He gets 72% central indian and I get 12% central indian. He also gets 26% S.Indian and I get 89% S.Indian. I agree he's a brahmin and I'm a middle caste but still curious as to why he gets results almost nothing like mine.

Abd.H
09-17-2017, 12:02 AM
my ftdna raw data results
Populations:
1% Central Asia
1% Central Indian subcontinent
11% Eastern Mediterranean
47% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
31% Middle East
8% Southwestern Europe
18805


my ancestry raw data results
Populations :
3% Central Indian subcontinent
50% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
37% Middle East
11% Southwestern Europe

18806

my Ancestry transfer to ftdna
Populations :
3%Central Indian subcontinent
12%Eastern Mediterranean
46%Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
33%Middle East
6%Southwestern Europe

18807

In ancestry results I have 11% Southwestern Europe , maybe it is mostly Sardinian
Southwestern Europe : Reference populations: Southern French, Spanish, Basque, and Sardinian.

chelle
09-17-2017, 02:40 AM
Guess I am late to the Gencove party. I just discovered it yesterday when someone posted their results on a facebook group page. Here are my results from uploading my AncestryDna file. These seems to almost match my dna land results.1880918810

Tz85
09-17-2017, 02:51 AM
I tried gencove. Essentially the same as DNA Land.

jortita
09-17-2017, 03:37 AM
Living DNA Results

6% East Asia
2% North-central Asia
19% Central Indian Sub-continent
1% Southern Indian Subcontinent
69% Bengal

Sapporo
09-17-2017, 04:05 AM
I am not sure how reliable the Ancestry DNA upload is, on both Dna.land and Geneplaza, I score around 7.9% South East Asia (Dai, Lahu Kinh), while here I score 0%

3% East Asia

4% North-Central Asia

14% Central Indian Subcontinent

76% Bengali

4% Ashkenazi Jewish

Bengal/Bengali includes Sino-Tibetan populations from Eastern Nepal and Bhutan supposedly. At least they are highlighted and included in the colored region for Bengal. While the reference population is listed as Bengali, we don't really know what kind of Bengalis were sampled. I'd presume some of your Southeast Asian is being caught in there.

drobbah
09-17-2017, 05:31 AM
Roughly around the same results as DNA.Land and their E.African component still has groups with significant Cushtic ancestry (Masai,Datog).The only thing different is that they renamed the Arab/Egyptian component to "Middle East".
https://i.imgur.com/3HCW8io.jpg

stealth
09-17-2017, 05:50 AM
I tried gencove. Essentially the same as DNA Land.

Thanks

jortita
09-17-2017, 06:26 AM
My Heritage DNA Results

5% East Asia
3% North-Central Asia
15% Central Indian Subcontinent
74% Bengal
4% Northeast Europe

JDay
09-17-2017, 07:28 AM
69% Northern and Central Europe
14% Northeast Europe
13% Southwestern Europe
5% Eastern Mediterranean

alexfritz
09-17-2017, 07:52 AM
mysterious mysterious
i also uploaded the wrong format (36) than followed araz95 advice and created a second account and uploaded the 37 format result in post#39 , this morning i get an e-mail from gencove telling me my initial (36) file was a flop i should upload the 37, so i think eff it i got my results already, but than i think lets see what happens if i upload the very same file that i uploaded the day before; i expected the exact same results (GEDmatch manner) but here it is:
https://i.imgur.com/09VxMMg.png
18812 18813
now i score a 101% and some of the east mediterranean went further north and west; not too dramatic; its free and its fast;

Ype
09-17-2017, 07:52 AM
My Living DNA results

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 08:55 AM
[
https://i.imgur.com/09VxMMg.png
18812 18813
now i score a 101% and some of the east mediterranean went further north and west; not too dramatic; its free and its fast;[/QUOTE]

the fact that you score such huge south west Europe
is inline with your part north Italian ancestry
it looks what i assumed was correct and the fact that there is no reference for bergamo and Tuscany in gencove contrary to dna land
causing north central Italian genes to go to the southwest Europe category
adam

alexfritz
09-17-2017, 09:38 AM
the fact that you score such huge south west Europe
is inline with your part north Italian ancestry
it looks what i assumed was correct and the fact that there is no reference for bergamo and Tuscany in gencove contrary to dna land
causing north central Italian genes to go to the southwest Europe category
adam

thats for sure; also got 11% proper sardinian on DNA.Land;
though i also expected to be much higher east mediterranean (in both tests) since albania is in the east_med and bergamo is close to albania(tuscany even much more); but thats also my best explanation why the second test differs from east med in the first, because of the high variable east_med spanning from sicily > bulgaria and those are two apart clusters; the variables in east med were picked up diff this time and assigned to other clusters; it can be explained, at least that is my explanation; DNA.Land is a much tighter fit, with its clusters and in my opinion the best break down of south european;

Hanna
09-17-2017, 09:45 AM
https://scontent.ffjr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21463086_920822451426761_3023556559132889145_n.jpg ?oh=6353b4ad62f7a8752c5a26a720d1a0c3&oe=5A13F60F

Tomenable
09-17-2017, 11:59 AM
Here are my (ethnic Polish) results in Gencove, DNA.Land, GenePlaza and DNA Tribes:

DNA.Land:

55% North Slavic
36% NW Euro
8.2% Balkan
1.3% SC Euro

GenePlaza:

58% North Slavic
29% NW Euro
6.2% SW Euro
5% Mediterranean
1.4% Ambiguous

Gencove:

54% NE Euro
39% N/C Euro
5% East Med
4% SW Euro

DNA.Tribes:

48.2% Belarus
35.8% Denmark
9.8% Slovenia
5.5% Sweden
0.6% Lithuania
0.1% Other

And I can tell you that these algorithms are biased, because they overestimate North-West European admixtures and underestimate North-East European admixtures. Probably they count too much of Central European genetic variation as part of NW cluster, and not enough of it as part of NE cluster. They do this so that their British customers can get ~100% North-West, and avoid getting North-East.

One example of a British-American result - 98% NW Euro:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/genocove_zps5159wqvf.png

Albanians tend to get 100% Eastern Mediterranean and no any Slavic.

And where is my 5% from? Ancient Albanian migrations to Poland? :)

Tolan
09-17-2017, 01:10 PM
Here are my (ethnic Polish) results in Gencove, DNA.Land, GenePlaza and DNA Tribes:

DNA.Land:

55% North Slavic
36% NW Euro
8.2% Balkan
1.3% SC Euro

GenePlaza:

58% North Slavic
29% NW Euro
6.2% SW Euro
5% Mediterranean
1.4% Ambiguous

Gencove:

54% NE Euro
39% N/C Euro
5% East Med
4% SW Euro

DNA.Tribes:

48.2% Belarus
35.8% Denmark
9.8% Slovenia
5.5% Sweden
0.6% Lithuania
0.1% Other

And I can tell you that these algorithms are biased, because they overestimate North-West European admixtures and underestimate North-East European admixtures. Probably they count too much of Central European genetic variation as part of NW cluster, and not enough of it as part of NE cluster. They do this so that their British customers can get ~100% North-West, and avoid getting North-East.

One example of a British-American result - 98% NW Euro:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/genocove_zps5159wqvf.png

Albanians tend to get 100% Eastern Mediterranean and no any Slavic.

And where is my 5% from? Ancient Albanian migrations to Poland? :)

On the genecove map, Poland is at the intersection between N/C and NE europe.
So, technically, they are not really wrong..;)

Gandhara
09-17-2017, 01:15 PM
My results :
https://i.gyazo.com/62cec4a941a3ac8818ea2e9311c6efc5.png

Kurd
09-17-2017, 01:37 PM
Kurmanji Kurd N Iraq


https://i.imgur.com/x91oTuz.jpg



Edit: Similar to poster Araz

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 02:04 PM
Just need some clarification on MyHeritage Jewish references vs Gencove.

18793

Above is Sicilian results MyHeritage from Palermo province.

I dont think is common for person from Italy to be influenced by Mizrahi Jewish at this %? More likely to see Sephardic or Ashkenazi there is however 5% Ashkenazi also. Odd results

gencove have only aschenazi refernce
my heritage have few jewish refernces :
aschenazi jews
north african sefhardi jews from moroco
yemenite jews
mizrachi jews {iran iraq}
and even ethiopian jews{ i am not sure about the last one though}
so for people of jewish heritage
it is a good test { i will not say the best because there sefhardi refernces were not from the balkan }
and thats why i score much less sefhardic in there test than in my origins 2.0.
hope i clarify and answere your question
adam

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 02:07 PM
Grouping Sicilians in with Bulgarians as "eastern Mediterranean" was a real dumb move for this calculator. Bulgaria, Albania, and Greece should have been a separate South Balkan cluster.

Eastern Mediterranean cluster should be Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, and Crete. That's it.

Darko
09-17-2017, 02:20 PM
02% central asia
02% Southwestern Europe
30% western Africa
28% Eastern Africa
20% North Africa
18% Middle East

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 02:20 PM
dear kurd ,
i want to hear your thoughts
about the central indian in this tes i score 8%
yest only 1.7% south central asia in eurogenes k36
how is it possible in your opinion ?
kind regards
adam

DR2001
09-17-2017, 02:34 PM
https://profile.fcdn.co.il/images/0__059be8702b2f76.jpg

I wonder how many of the Southern European is Iberian, and how many is Italian. and I also wonder from which Berber tribe my North African DNA is from.
I think my balkan DNA comes from northern Greece(Greece-Bulgaria) but I might never know.

Generally I would say that I'm about 62% Southern European,21% Middle eastern(Levant and Turkey) and 17% North African Berber...
I wonder if It's typical for a sephardi jew..

Kurd
09-17-2017, 02:56 PM
dear kurd ,
i want to hear your thoughts
about the central indian in this tes i score 8%
yest only 1.7% south central asia in eurogenes k36
how is it possible in your opinion ?
kind regards
adam

Adam,

It's all about the quantity of components, and how relevant those components are to your ancestry. I think the K36 has more components that are relevant to your admixture than here.

Relevancy matters. For example, look at Hanna's results, her results should not be interpreted that she has no similarity to
C Indians, on the contrary, she likely has more similarity to them than you do, but rather that the Caucasian references were so similar to her that they accounted for most of her admixture.

I have covered this with N Indians scoring more SC Asian than Iranians/Kurds for example.

If you really want to know how similar you are to any particular population, admixture calculators are not the way to go, they will give you a hint, but will not give you the answer you need. You would have to do a one to one comparison with that pop using an outgroup, such as IBD, IBS (rarer alleles), dstats, etc

lukaszM
09-17-2017, 02:59 PM
For me dna.land, geneplaza and gencove use exactly the same alghoritm. The difference is only because reference populations are to some extent different and / or clusters made from them.

So every new genetic company (who wants to operate in this way) buy from elswhere this algo, prepare the dataset from HGDP and HapMap mostly, and creates sligthly different clusters than others. But some are constant like NW-Euro, East-Euro so for many people results are very similar.

I think MyHeritage use own algo.

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 03:04 PM
so i take the 8% here with grain of salt :\
in my origins 1.0 i score 6% Pashtuns
but in my origins 2.0 it dissapear
kind regards
adam


p.s
in dna tribe i score 3.5% pakistan
so maybe it is real but should be 2% here not 8%
much appricate your answere kurd

coffeeprince
09-17-2017, 03:13 PM
I caved and finally uploaded.
They gave me a huge chunk of Southwestern European, which is definitely the "Sardinian" component as DNA.Land gave me a chunk of Sardinian (which I don't have) too.18818

Kurd
09-17-2017, 03:17 PM
so i take the 8% here with grain of salt :\
in my origins 1.0 i score 6% Pashtuns
but in my origins 2.0 it dissapear
kind regards
adam


p.s
in dna tribe i score 3.5% pakistan
so maybe it is real but should be 2% here not 8%
much appricate your answere kurd


Yes, you do share alleles with them through some common ancestor, a long time ago



Edit: This is the reason I like to use rarer alleles in IBS and admixture

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 03:23 PM
My full Sicilian cousin's result. Apparently "East Mediterranean" better proxies Albanians and mainland Greeks.

https://i.imgur.com/NgIOEJY.png

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 03:33 PM
the east med = greek of my heritage

kevinduffy
09-17-2017, 03:38 PM
My results:

18819

6% Southwestern Europe

4% Northeast Europe

91% Northern and Central Europe

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 03:41 PM
the east med = greek of my heritage

Yes, I think so. And I think SW European is north Italian like.

Stephen1986
09-17-2017, 03:49 PM
I got 92% Northern and Central Europe and 9% Southwestern Europe using my 23andMe data.

For my brother with his 23andMe data, he got 93% North and Central Europe and 7% Eastern Mediterranean.

astondive
09-17-2017, 04:29 PM
My results:-

20%
Southwestern Europe
6%
Northeast Europe
75%
Northern and Central Europe

Tomenable
09-17-2017, 04:58 PM
I think MyHeritage use own algo.

The same as FTDNA, it seems.

Pylsteen
09-17-2017, 05:00 PM
Tried it with LivingDNA file. Lol at central Indian.

18821

lukaszM
09-17-2017, 05:07 PM
Geneplaza is the worst (7,6% ambiguous)

My
http://i67.tinypic.com/29eskkx.jpg

dna.land
http://i67.tinypic.com/2dqt3lv.jpg

geneplaza
http://i64.tinypic.com/jk9end.jpg

firemonkey
09-17-2017, 05:36 PM
Uploaded my ftdna file and reuploaded my father's ftdna file.

18822

18823

BMG
09-17-2017, 05:42 PM
My results
Central India 31%
Southern India 63%
Bengal 6%

Similar to myorigins with south central Indian in myorigins got split into southern India and Bengal and the European in myorigins got merged to central india

jjensen6
09-17-2017, 05:53 PM
Slight differences between Ancestry raw data and MyHeritage raw data. Though fairly consistent with my nMonte results.

Ancestry:
18824

MyHeritage:
18825

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:00 PM
[
https://i.imgur.com/09VxMMg.png
18812 18813
now i score a 101% and some of the east mediterranean went further north and west; not too dramatic; its free and its fast;


The changes in populations groupings with Gencove flustering a lot of people egos lol, its not that complicated same as other tests just read the population groupings correctly all the info is there.

I will add, this test groupings with Gencove is more general than precise which cause confusion, but also NOT wrong either.

Some test use precise groupings Mizrahi Jewish, North African Jewish, Ethiopian Jewish this is also wrong cause a lot of people dont actually have this ancestry and still score it???

Some test even more general cause they compare you with population cluster for example I love fact that I score 99% East Europe with Ancestry cause this surely feeds my ego, but if I remove my ego from the situation clearly this is wrong when I grew up with Jewish family members how can I be 99% East Europe? What they should have said I score 99% East Europe populations living in this region.

Sure the test MyHeritage will be popular with full blooded Mediterraneans I have noticed, making you seem really diverse but sorry read all your data correctly next time, MyHeritage is not exact science, non of these test are, but from 2 years reading these tests I can tell you from a neutral perspective MyHeritage is least accurate, whatever make you sleep at night though.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:01 PM
Geneplaza is the worst (7,6% ambiguous)

My
http://i67.tinypic.com/29eskkx.jpg

dna.land
http://i67.tinypic.com/2dqt3lv.jpg

geneplaza
http://i64.tinypic.com/jk9end.jpg

Do you have any idea what would be the Ambiguous with Geneplaza? Based off your kit in Gedmatch, etc.

I score some Ambiguous also.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:07 PM
I caved and finally uploaded.
They gave me a huge chunk of Southwestern European, which is definitely the "Sardinian" component as DNA.Land gave me a chunk of Sardinian (which I don't have) too.18818

Why wouldnt (which I dont have) Sardinian? When you have Jewish heritage is common to score Sardinian???

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:09 PM
Yes, I think so. And I think SW European is north Italian like.

There is not Italian reference with this test, so some will move to Southwestern Europe.

There is also other population groupings in Southwestern Europe, so this is not some "Italian" group.

But yes, Italians can score some.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:13 PM
the east med = greek of my heritage

No, there is more populations included in East Mediterranean.

How can I score 7% Eastern Mediterranean with Gencove, and 0% Greek with MyHeritage.

Doesnt add up.

Dibran
09-17-2017, 06:27 PM
For Albanians we score a lot of southwest euro. At least in my ancestry version(22%!). You can see my signature for percentage scoring. I get 99.5 balkan on wegene, but my ancestry gives me 22 percent spanish! which matches 22 southwest euro for the ancestry gencove upload. I also get 100 percent southeast euro for myorigins.

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 06:29 PM
stealth because there is overlapp in genetic signitures between the jewish references
and some non jews med people
thats why a sicilian from trapani score sefhardic
and another one score mizrachi
no conection to ego what so ever ....
you asked a question which jewish references gencove used and which my heritage and i answered you .....
i agree with you is that it is not exact science
if it was than there is no chance in the world i will score more south west european than my father and mother .....

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 06:33 PM
No, there is more populations included in East Mediterranean.

How can I score 7% Eastern Mediterranean with Gencove, and 0% Greek with MyHeritage.

Doesnt add up.


The East Med on this is scored 100% by Albanians/Greeks, but I just posted a Sicilian who scores 44%, with a sizable MENA and SW European element too. Clearly the majority of the cluster is comprised of southern Balkanites.

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 06:34 PM
No, there is more populations included in East Mediterranean.

How can I score 7% Eastern Mediterranean with Gencove, and 0% Greek with MyHeritage.

Doesnt add up.

do you score balkan in my heritage it goes very well with ukranian ancestery ?

lukaszM
09-17-2017, 06:43 PM
Do you have any idea what would be the Ambiguous with Geneplaza? Based off your kit in Gedmatch, etc.

I score some Ambiguous also.

I suppose they have problem with reading properly of Southern Euro ancestry. Comparing to Gencove SW-Euro but in DNA.LAND could be SE-Euro as well.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:44 PM
stealth because there is overlapp in genetic signitures between the jewish references
and some non jews med people
thats why a sicilian from trapani score sefhardic
and another one score mizrachi
no conection to ego what so ever ....
you asked a question which jewish references gencove used and which my heritage and i answered you .....
i agree with you is that it is not exact science
if it was than there is no chance in the world i will score more south west european than my father and mother .....

Inheritance is not equal thats why you score different from your parents, and brother.

MyHeritage has overlap with a lot of regions not only Jewish references lol, that is whole problem with MyHeritage.

When I upload more samples with MyHeritage the populations change.

DNALAND, Geneplaza, Gencove the Joe Pickerell test also stay same with maybe 1 or 2 % difference but usually exact same.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:48 PM
I suppose they have problem with reading properly of Southern Euro ancestry. Comparing to Gencove SW-Euro but in DNA.LAND could be SE-Euro as well.

Yeah I think you are right.

I didnt know if there could be some Central Asian/Turkic in there. I score 1.1% Ambiguous, 1.7% Ambiguous Non-West Eurasian.

With MyHeritage I am getting also 0.9% Native American?

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 06:49 PM
that means
the slavic i score in my origins and myh heritage is a mistake ?

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:51 PM
do you score balkan in my heritage it goes very well with ukranian ancestery ?

I score 0% Balkan with MyHeritage.

and my haplogroup is I2-L621 (most common in Balkans)

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:52 PM
The East Med on this is scored 100% by Albanians/Greeks, but I just posted a Sicilian who scores 44%, with a sizable MENA and SW European element too. Clearly the majority of the cluster is comprised of southern Balkanites.

Bulgarians also score 100% East Mediterranean.

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 06:53 PM
ok i asked you
does it mean the slavic i score in my heritage and my origins 2.0
is a mistake ?
as oposed to the 0% north east euro i score here ...

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 06:55 PM
Bulgarians also score 100% East Mediterranean.

this should tell you it is not a cluster made primarily of Sicilians,Cypriots, or Maltese. :lol: I think grouping all of these together with Bulgarians is a mistake.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:55 PM
For Albanians we score a lot of southwest euro. At least in my ancestry version(22%!). You can see my signature for percentage scoring. I get 99.5 balkan on wegene, but my ancestry gives me 22 percent spanish! which matches 22 southwest euro for the ancestry gencove upload. I also get 100 percent southeast euro for myorigins.

Only speculation you know better than me your family history obviously, there was large migration Sephardic Jews to Thessaloniki Greece, not far from Albania. Its hard to make conclusion though without all the facts.

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:57 PM
ok i asked you
does it mean the slavic i score in my heritage and my origins 2.0
is a mistake ?
as oposed to the 0% north east euro i score here ...

What is your Slavic inheritance, you said Bulgarian? You know for a fact? or just speculation?

It depends what kind of Slavic

stealth
09-17-2017, 06:58 PM
this should tell you it is not a cluster made primarily of Sicilians,Cypriots, or Maltese. :lol: I think grouping all of these together with Bulgarians is a mistake.

Do Bulgarians live near Eastern Mediterranean? Who cares about the names.

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 06:59 PM
yes my grand mother was bulgarian non -jewish
her father from sofia and mother from plovdiv .
regards
adam

JuLeZ
09-17-2017, 07:00 PM
I am an adoptee, and know for certain that my birthmother was 100% Armenian from Istanbul. The ethnic origins of my biological father are mysterious. Any insight on my birthfather would be deeply appreciated. Clearly his ethnic origins are someplace in the Mediterranean and split between East and West.

Gencove: 41% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau, 30% East Mediterranean, 25% West Mediterranean, 4% North and Central Europe.

The MDLP K23b also nailed the 50% Armenian with interesting, similar results
Using 3 populations approximation
50% Armenian_Yerevan/25% Croat/25% Spanish Canarias

stealth
09-17-2017, 07:04 PM
yes my grand mother was bulgarian non -jewish
her father from sofia and mother from plovdiv .
regards
adam

It depends on where Bulgarians are grouped with the test, East Mediterranean you score 12% right that is correct Bulgarians are Eastern Mediterranean population group with Gencove.

If other test gives you 11% Slavic they grouped Bulgarians with Slavic this time.

I have some Bulgarian admix from paternal side I can score all East Europe or I can score East Europe with some Eastern Mediterranean.

Bulgarians are mixed race Slavic, Mediterranean, some Turkic, etc.

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 07:08 PM
sounds very logical
explanation
regards
adam

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 07:08 PM
Do Bulgarians live near Eastern Mediterranean? Who cares about the names.

My point is that when compared to Sicilians/Maltese, Bulgarians are genetically halfway to Russians; Greeks/Albanians one quarter of the way. Grouping them all in one makes no sense because of the widely differing amounts of Steppe or BaltoSlavic DNA.

lukaszM
09-17-2017, 07:10 PM
I am an adoptee, and know for certain that my birthmother was 100% Armenian from Istanbul. The ethnic origins of my biological father are mysterious. Any insight on my birthfather would be deeply appreciated. Clearly his ethnic origins are someplace in the Mediterranean and split between East and West.

Gencove: 41% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau, 30% East Mediterranean, 25% West Mediterranean, 4% North and Central Europe.

The MDLP K23b also nailed the 50% Armenian with interesting, similar results
Using 3 populations approximation
50% Armenian_Yerevan/25% Croat/25% Spanish Canarias

Sephardi for father?

stealth
09-17-2017, 07:11 PM
sounds very logical
explanation
regards
adam

No problem

stealth
09-17-2017, 07:20 PM
My point is that when compared to Sicilians/Maltese, Bulgarians are genetically halfway to Russians; Greeks/Albanians one quarter of the way. Grouping them all in one makes no sense because of the widely differing amounts of Steppe or BaltoSlavic DNA.

Ok, you are complaing about this with a free upload test.

Eastern Mediterranean

Reference populations: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.

Ancestry has me 99% East Europe with a test I paid them 100$ for. Here is how East Europe population looks with Ancestry.

Europe East

Primarily located in: Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Austria, Russia, Hungary, Slovenia, Romania, Serbia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia
Also found in: Germany, Montenegro, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Estonia, Bulgaria

JuLeZ
09-17-2017, 07:25 PM
Thank you both! Sephardic is probably it:

FTDNA: 43% Asia Minor, 4% West Middle East, 36% West and Central Europe, 14% Sephardic

MyHeritage: 28.8% Greek, 19.8% Italian, 16.1% N/W Europe, 5.2 % Irish/Scottish, Welsh, 1.3% English, 3.8% Ashkenazi, 12% West Asian, 9.7% North African, 2.7% Middle Eastern

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 07:36 PM
Ok, you are complaing about this with a free upload test.

yes, because it is destroying the accuracy of regions results I care most about seeing and getting to the bottom of :lol:

stealth
09-17-2017, 07:57 PM
yes, because it is destroying the accuracy of regions results I care most about seeing and getting to the bottom of :lol:

Gencove, Geneplaza, DNALAND all match up with Gedmatch for me, so you are discrediting all 4 of these sites???

kingjohn
09-17-2017, 09:05 PM
one last question
how is it possible my father score 22% east med in this test
and my mother 44% east med
and me only 12% east med

ssamlal
09-17-2017, 09:40 PM
My Results (Ancestry DNA):

37% Central Indian subcontinent
41% Southern Indian subcontinent
22% Bengal

18765

Mum:

19% Central Indian subcontinent
41% Southern Indian subcontinent
40% Bengal

18827

The rumor that my maternal grandmother is from Calcutta may be true after all ;)

Brother:

35% Central Indian subcontinent
51% Southern Indian subcontinent
14% Bengal

18826

stealth
09-17-2017, 09:44 PM
one last question
how is it possible my father score 22% east med in this test
and my mother 44% east med
and me only 12% east med

East Mediterranean has new reference populations, with Bulgarians, Albanians, Greeks added to this region. Balkan groups.

There is already East Med groups Sicilian, Cypriot, Malta included so your parents East Med moved somewhere to other region in your report.

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 10:06 PM
Gencove, Geneplaza, DNALAND all match up with Gedmatch for me, so you are discrediting all 4 of these sites???

I am saying Bulgarians should not be considered in the same cluster as Sicilians or Cypriots, that's all. Including them creates a poorly designed East Med cluster. They're Slavs.

stealth
09-17-2017, 10:13 PM
I am saying Bulgarians should not be considered in the same cluster as Sicilians or Cypriots, that's all. Including them creates a poorly designed East Med cluster. They're Slavs.

Sorry Bulgarians are intermediate group. Not pure Slavic.

"The Bulgarian people speak a South Slavic language and descend from a combination of Slavs and Thracians with a small amount of ancestry from the Turkic-speaking Bulgars who founded the country."

The names are not important. The reference groups included is much more important. And getting correct info to customers who buying the product.

khanabadoshi
09-17-2017, 10:24 PM
I got 67% Central Indian Subcontinent, 16% South Indian, 10% North European, 4% Siberian and 3% Central Asian. I did it straight from them so..... Also Velislav, I did some looking and found that the Gencove founder and CEO, (Joe Pickerell) is on the development team for GenePlaza, so that could be the possible reason for you getting the same results over and over.

By Siberian do you mean Northeast Asia? (I am tallying the results in a spreadsheet).

Sikeliot
09-17-2017, 10:25 PM
The names are not important. The reference groups included is much more important. And getting correct info to customers who buying the product.

And how is it useful or accurate to put Bulgarians and Cypriots in the same cluster when they are extremely different genetically?

Oleg (Rus)
09-17-2017, 10:30 PM
I uploaded my file from FTDNA today. Ethnicity estimate: 2% Northeast Asia, 12% Eastern Mediterranean, 87% Northeast Europe. I saw high East Med in several Slavic people. Maybe because they used Bulgarians?..

stealth
09-17-2017, 10:33 PM
And how is it useful or accurate to put Bulgarians and Cypriots in the same cluster when they are extremely different genetically?

Basques, South Iberians are different genetically they are in same grouping with Gencove.

Estonians, Bulgarians are different genetically they are in same grouping with Ancestry.

This goes for many nationalities with odd groupings I dont have time to name all. What makes Sicilians, Cypriot, Malta that important or special they need own category?

I dont understand.

stealth
09-17-2017, 10:46 PM
I uploaded my file from FTDNA today. Ethnicity estimate: 2% Northeast Asia, 12% Eastern Mediterranean, 87% Northeast Europe. I saw high East Med in several Slavic people. Maybe because they used Bulgarians?..

If you have Jewish you are clustering with Sicilians, Cypriots, Malta. This is also included in reference population Eastern Mediterranean.

Bulgarians will also score Eastern Mediterranean.

Oleg (Rus)
09-17-2017, 10:50 PM
If you have Jewish you are clustering with Sicilians, Cypriots, Malta. This is also included in reference population Eastern Mediterranean.

Bulgarians will also score Eastern Mediterranean.

Yes, some distant Jewish may be shown as East Med. But I saw full East Slavs with 8-10%, so their references and probably calculating methods are not balanced.

stealth
09-17-2017, 11:15 PM
Yes, some distant Jewish may be shown as East Med. But I saw full East Slavs with 8-10%, so their references and probably calculating methods are not balanced.

Why 8-10% Eastern Mediterranean would not balance for East Slavs?

I am mixed Slav this how I score with Gencove.

18831

Reza
09-18-2017, 12:14 AM
Bengal/Bengali includes Sino-Tibetan populations from Eastern Nepal and Bhutan supposedly. At least they are highlighted and included in the colored region for Bengal. While the reference population is listed as Bengali, we don't really know what kind of Bengalis were sampled. I'd presume some of your Southeast Asian is being caught in there.

Edit:
From Joe

The Bengali population is a mix of 1000 Genomes and YouGenomics India (https://yougenomics.in/), around 90 individuals or so

I usually score more E Asian than those BEB samples which would explain why my family are getting extra SE Asian and not always as S_Indian rich as the BEB samples, hence the Central Indian and Central Asian coming up in some. My dad looks like a fairly decent fit.

Interesting that my mother is the only South Asian on here to score Middle East though.

Jortita, your livingdna results are more in keeping with the extra level of East Asian you have to Bengalis?


Mum:

19% Central Indian subcontinent
41% Southern Indian subcontinent
40% Bengal

18827

The rumor that my maternal grandmother is from Calcutta may be true after all ;)

Brother:

35% Central Indian subcontinent
51% Southern Indian subcontinent
14% Bengal

18826

ssamlal, how does your mother score on other calculators? Do you have a thread for that?

Riley
09-18-2017, 12:19 AM
Gencove gave me an estimate of:
- Western Africa --- 7%
- Southwestern Europe --- 10%
- Northeast Europe --- 3%
- Northern / Central Europe --- 81%

Imported data from FTDNA (2.0), which had given me:
- British Isles --- 61%
- Scandinavia --- 16%
- Iberia --- 15%
- West Africa --- 7%
- N/Cen. America, S. America, E. Europe, & SE. Europe --- each < 1%

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 12:27 AM
I am an adoptee, and know for certain that my birthmother was 100% Armenian from Istanbul. The ethnic origins of my biological father are mysterious. Any insight on my birthfather would be deeply appreciated. Clearly his ethnic origins are someplace in the Mediterranean and split between East and West.

Gencove: 41% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau, 30% East Mediterranean, 25% West Mediterranean, 4% North and Central Europe.

The MDLP K23b also nailed the 50% Armenian with interesting, similar results
Using 3 populations approximation
50% Armenian_Yerevan/25% Croat/25% Spanish Canarias

By West Mediterranean what do you mean? I don't think there is a category for it on Genecove. I'll double check.

coffeeprince
09-18-2017, 12:29 AM
Why wouldnt (which I dont have) Sardinian? When you have Jewish heritage is common to score Sardinian???

I don't have Sardinian ancestry. DNA.Land lists it for me, and here in Gencove (Sardinian is under their Southwestern European category) I score a little over 10%, which is equivalent to the Sardinian I score in DNA.Land. On other tests, I usually have less than 2% Iberian, if at all. I assume it's just common genetic markers that look similar.

stealth
09-18-2017, 12:38 AM
I don't have Sardinian ancestry. DNA.Land lists it for me, and here in Gencove (Sardinian is under their Southwestern European category) I score a little over 10%, which is equivalent to the Sardinian I score in DNA.Land. On other tests, I usually have less than 2% Iberian, if at all. I assume it's just common genetic markers that look similar.

Lots of Jewish people can score Sardinian.

If you score some Iberian there is the proof, they are using different algorithm here.

For example, I am part Jewish (thats why I score 9% Sardinian with DNALAND)

(doesnt have to be Ashkenazi admix) ;)

joepickrell
09-18-2017, 12:41 AM
Hi all,

I'm the author of the software used at Gencove (and DNA Land and GenePlaza and maybe some others...it's open source).

The reason many of these populations appear together (e.g. Basques and South Iberians, Sicily and Malta, etc.) is that in fact genetically they are quite similar, such that it's extremely difficult to reliably separate these ancestries.

That said, it may be possible to build better ancestry estimates with improved reference panels or software. On the software side, if you have good ideas please let me know or use our free API (at Gencove, see the /developers site) to get started yourself.

Thanks very much for all of the feedback, it is extremely helpful.

- Joe Pickrell

stealth
09-18-2017, 12:59 AM
Hi all,

I'm the author of the software used at Gencove (and DNA Land and GenePlaza and maybe some others...it's open source).

The reason many of these populations appear together (e.g. Basques and South Iberians, Sicily and Malta, etc.) is that in fact genetically they are quite similar, such that it's extremely difficult to reliably separate these ancestries.

That said, it may be possible to build better ancestry estimates with improved reference panels or software. On the software side, if you have good ideas please let me know or use our free API (at Gencove, see the /developers site) to get started yourself.

Thanks very much for all of the feedback, it is extremely helpful.

- Joe Pickrell

Thanks for your work.

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 01:30 AM
Northeast Asia
Southeast Asia
Central Asia
East Asia
North-central Asia
Southern Africa
Western Africa
Central Africa
Eastern Africa
Northern Africa
Central Indian subcontinent
Southern Indian subcontinent
Oceania
Bengal
Eastern Mediterranean
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
Ashkenazi Jewish
Middle East
Southwestern Europe
Northeast Europe
Northern and Central Europe
Americas
TOTAL


Oleg (Rus)
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
87
0
0
101


lukaszM [Polish]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
82
4
0
100


Tomenable [Polish]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
4
54
39
0
102


stealth [Ukranian/Polish]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
11
83
0
0
101


Aha [Ukranian]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
4
0
1
0
6
80
6
0
100


timberwolf [New Zealand]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
4
77
0
101


Teutorigos [Celtic/German-USA]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
98
0
101


CelticGerman
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
12
86
0
101


Grahamscy [Canadian]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
4
2
0
0
17
9
68
0
101


skitbo [Canadian Metis]
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
15
9
69
2
101


firemonkey [UK]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
93
0
101


firemonkey Father
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
0
0
0
86
0
100


kevinduffy
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
4
91
0
101


Stephen1986 [UK]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
0
92
0
101


Stephen1986 Brother
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
93
0
100


astondive [English]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
6
75
0
101


BalkanKiwi
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
29
0
0
0
0
8
63
0
100


BalkanKiwi [FTDNA]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
26
0
0
0
0
13
62
0
101


Amerijoe
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
97
0
100


Jday [USA]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
13
14
69
0
101


Ype [Dutch]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
100
0
100


CelticGerman - French
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
25
0
0
0
26
7
43
0
101


CelticGerman - Uncle [N. German]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
27
72
0
101


vettor [Italian Alpine]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
37
0
3
0
23
0
37
0
100


AngryLeeloo94 [Sicilian-USA]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
27
3
0
2
11
0
57
0
100


Sikeliot Cousin [Sicilian]
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
44
17
0
7
30
0
0
0
100


Dibran [Albanian]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
93
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
100


Dibran [AncestryDNA]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
79
0
0
0
22
0
0
0
101


Dibran Father
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
89
0
0
0
12
0
0
0
101


thrax [Greek]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
100
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
100


Kurumim
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
8
0
0
0
0
13
0
0
0
34
9
17
13
101


alexfritz
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
0
0
42
4
48
0
101


DR2001
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
0
0
0
47
3
4
18
14
0
0
0
102


coffeeprince
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
14
0
53
18
13
0
0
0
100


kingjohn [Jewish]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
0
0
0
12
8
33
17
23
0
0
0
101


kingjohn Brother
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
24
15
30
13
15
3
0
0
100

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 01:30 AM
Northeast Asia
Southeast Asia
Central Asia
East Asia
North-central Asia
Southern Africa
Western Africa
Central Africa
Eastern Africa
Northern Africa
Central Indian subcontinent
Southern Indian subcontinent
Oceania
Bengal
Eastern Mediterranean
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
Ashkenazi Jewish
Middle East


Saba123 [Iranian]
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
33
0
0
0
3
50
0
13


Araz95
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
20
0
0
0
20
55
0
2


JuLeZ [Armenian/Unknown]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
30
41
0
25


Hanna [Turkish]
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
16
80
3
0


Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
11
47
0
31


Abd.H - AncestryDNA
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
50
0
37


Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22
0
0
0
0
55
6
16


Reza
0
[B]4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
5
0
75
0
0
0
0


Reza Mother
0
3
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18
10
0
63
0
0
0
3


Reza Father
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
10
0
87
0
0
0
0


Reza Wife
2
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
10
8
0
79
0
0
0
0


Zayd
0
[B]4
0
1
2
0
0
0
0
0
26
24
2
37
0
0
0
0


ssamlal Mother
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
19
41
0
40
0
0
0
0


ssamlal [Indo-Trinidadian]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
37
41
0
22
0
0
0
0


ssamlal Brother
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
35
51
0
14
0
0
0
0


BMG [Malayali]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
31
63
0
6
0
0
0
0


Gandhara
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
60
12
0
10
0
11
0
0


kush [Telugu]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
12
89
0
0
0
0
0
0


khanabadoshi
2
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
80
0
0
0
3
9
0
0


khana Brother
2
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
72
3
0
0
6
2
0
0


khana Sister
2
0
8
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
71
8
0
0
5
4
4
0


khana mGM
4
0
21
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
57
1
0
0
3
6
0
0


khana mGMBrother
1
0
34
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
33
3
0
5
0
10
0
0


khana pUncle
1
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
83
0
0
0
0
11
0
0


khana mGFSister
0
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
73
19
0
3
0
0
0
0


Mohmand Pashtun
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
83
0
0
0
12
6
0
0


Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
79
0
0
9
4
0
0
0


Multan - Syed/Durrani
0
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
67
15
0
4
0
4
0
0


Varun R [Tamil Brahmin]
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
72
26
0
0
0
0
0
0


VelvetNono [Afghan Pashtun]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
82
0
0
0
0
14
0
0


noman [Chauhan]
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
94
0
0
0
4
0
0
0


Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
81
8
0
0
0
2
0
0


Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
0
0
12
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
69
0
0
0
4
9
0
0


gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]
4
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
67
16
0
0
0
0
0
0


jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
0
0
0
5
3
0
0
0
0
0
15
0
0
74
0
0
0
0


jortita [AncestryDNA]
0
0
0
3
4
0
0
0
0
0
14
0
0
76
0
0
4
0


shazou [Ilocano/Tagalog]
0
89
0
6
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
2
0
0
0
0
0


shazou [FTNDA]
0
88
0
4
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
6
0
0
0
0


Drobbah [Somali]
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
69
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
23


Darko [Tunisian/Senegalese]
0
0
2
0
0
0
30
0
28
20
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
18


SWAHILLI_PRINCE16 [Kenyan]
0
0
1
0
0
0
25
1
71
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 01:34 AM
I had to break up the list into 2 blocks to post. I tried to group similar people near each other.

The following results are not complete:



JFWinstone [UK Mix]


JFWinstone Mother


chelle [USA]


jortita [LivingDNA]




Their screenshots or posted scores are incomplete and don't total to 100-101%.

I am guessing that Chelle's Northern/Central Euro is 54.

Jortita's Living DNA is totaling at 97%. I am guessing you forgot one component.

JFWinstone's results are cut off in the screenshot.

jortita
09-18-2017, 01:46 AM
I had to break up the list into 2 blocks to post. I tried to group similar people near each other.

The following results are not complete:



JFWinstone [UK Mix]


JFWinstone Mother


chelle [USA]


jortita [LivingDNA]




Their screenshots or posted scores are incomplete and don't total to 100-100%.

I am guessing that Chelle's Northern/Central Euro is 54.

Jortita's Living DNA is totaling at 97%. I am guessing you forgot one component.

JFWinstone's results are cut off in the screenshot.

Hi Khana, I did not forget, it seems my results only total 97%

joepickrell
09-18-2017, 01:58 AM
Hi all,

If you are trying to PM me on this forum I can't respond (it seems I can only respond to a PM if I've posted > 10 times). My email is joe at gencove dot com, please feel free to contact me there.

- Joe Pickrell

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 02:41 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/897e316bf68330b227c5d2417f604fef.png
https://i.gyazo.com/8f85ce03ccb71297a92f76ae64fd69fb.png

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 02:41 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/51736ba98c835b357832bb1f95a47953.png

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 02:42 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/7bad3505e090d24a76dab1c5e88a01e1.png

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 02:56 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/56ec3fc69e6c97f705c33156485b17cb.png

https://i.gyazo.com/6f80389edbd229b6bdcb6d1687ef5bbb.png

https://i.gyazo.com/a9780f167930366a181a692c96263204.png

https://i.gyazo.com/26f1901fbe54845a7699427dd0394b59.png

kingjohn
09-18-2017, 03:17 AM
dear joe
first kudos for all your work
i have 2 questions :

a}how is it possible i score 0% northeast Europe in gencove
and 9% eastern european in my heritage
and 11 % eastern european in my origins 2.0 ?
how will i know which results truly reflect my ancestry ?

b}second question how is it possible that i score central Indian here 8% yet my father score 5% and my mother 0% ?

kind regards
adam

and again thanks for all your work

khanabadoshi
09-18-2017, 03:36 AM
Clusters






cluster


shazou [Ilocano/Tagalog]
1


shazou [FTNDA]
1


CelticGerman
2


kevinduffy
2


Stephen1986 [UK]
2


Teutorigos [Celtic/German-USA]
3


Amerijoe
3


Ype [Dutch]
3


khanabadoshi
4


khana pUncle
4


Mohmand Pashtun
4


Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri
4


VelvetNono [Afghan Pashtun]
4


noman [Chauhan]
4


Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
4


khana Brother
5


khana Sister
5


khana mGM
5


Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
5


coffeeprince
6


kingjohn [Jewish]
6


kingjohn Brother
6


Reza [Bengali]
7


Reza Mother
7


Reza Father
7


Reza Wife
7


jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
7


jortita [AncestryDNA]
7


Saba123 [Iranian]
8


Araz95
8


JuLeZ [Armenian/Unknown]
8


Hanna [Turkish]
8


Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA
8


Abd.H - AncestryDNA
8


Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]
8


Oleg (Rus)
9


lukaszM [Polish]
9


stealth [Ukranian/Polish]
9


Aha [Ukranian]
9


BalkanKiwi
10


BalkanKiwi [FTDNA]
10


AngryLeeloo94 [Sicilian-USA]
10


Sikeliot Cousin [Sicilian]
11


DR2001
11


Zayd [Bengali]
12


ssamlal Mother
12


ssamlal [Indo-Trinidadian]
12


ssamlal Brother
12


BMG [Malayali]
12


kush [Telugu]
12


Dibran [Albanian]
13


Dibran [AncestryDNA]
13


Dibran Father
13


thrax [Greek]
13


Drobbah [Somali]
14


Darko [Tunisian/Senegalese]
14


SWAHILLI_PRINCE16 [Kenyan]
14


Gandhara
15


khana mGFSister
15


Multan - Syed/Durrani
15


Varun R [Tamil Brahmin]
15


gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]
15


timberwolf [New Zealand]
16


Grahamscy [Canadian]
16


skitbo [Canadian Metis]
16


astondive [English]
16


Jday [USA]
16


CelticGerman - Uncle [N. German]
16


firemonkey [UK]
17


firemonkey Father
17


Stephen1986 Brother
17


CelticGerman - French
18


vettor [Italian Alpine]
18


Kurumim
18


alexfritz
18


Tomenable [Polish]
19


khana mGMBrother
20

gyanwali
09-18-2017, 10:30 AM
Yes. Lol sorry! (Reply to khana about I meant Northeast Asia for Siberia)

chelle
09-18-2017, 10:43 AM
I had to break up the list into 2 blocks to post. I tried to group similar people near each other.

The following results are not complete:



JFWinstone [UK Mix]


JFWinstone Mother


chelle [USA]


jortita [LivingDNA]




Their screenshots or posted scores are incomplete and don't total to 100-101%.

I am guessing that Chelle's Northern/Central Euro is 54.

Jortita's Living DNA is totaling at 97%. I am guessing you forgot one component.

JFWinstone's results are cut off in the screenshot.

Yes,
sorry about that. It did not list my Northern and Central European percentage on the side of the page for some reason, but it did show as 54% when I clicked on it.

therrien.joel
09-18-2017, 12:12 PM
Just saw this thread yesterday so uploaded my raw file. Pretty quick processing.

18835

Percentages:

18836

Overall pretty good. Similar to DNAland but not a carbon copy. Nice to see that they seem to be able to resolve the South Asian part with better detail. I guess this is a result of their efforts to include more people from that region? Capturing northern India is consistent with what I currently understand of my heritage.

Edit: This is from 23andMe raw data

XooR
09-18-2017, 12:23 PM
All known ancestry is LAZ speaking LAZ people.

18837

emc
09-18-2017, 12:42 PM
It took less than 30 minutes for me...
Known ancestry is only North Italian and Portuguese. It's the first time I score Central Indian :)
https://i.imgur.com/DF54LuP.png
Full results:
65% Southwestern Europe
10% Ashkenazi Jewish
9% Norhern and Central Europe
8% Eastern Mediterranean
3% Northeast Europe
2% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
2% Middle East
1% Central Indian Subcontinent

kingjohn
09-18-2017, 01:02 PM
12% missing here :\
it is probably 12% north central european
regards
adam

p.s
i see gencove is very generous in giving central indian and also aschenazi ........

emc
09-18-2017, 01:11 PM
Maternal grandma (3/4 North Italian, 1/4 Tuscan)18839

kingjohn
09-18-2017, 02:16 PM
i am very dissapointed that joe didn't answere my question
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?12004-gencove-free-raw-data-upload-results!/page20 {middle of the page }
i am very confused and i wish he could answere maybe kurd who
is an expert have some idea why the gap and how i score eastern european componnet in 2 other companies { my origins, my heritage }
yet nada 0% here
kind regards
adam

lukaszM
09-18-2017, 02:18 PM
i am very dissapointed that joe didn't answere my question
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?12004-gencove-free-raw-data-upload-results!/page20 {middle of the page }
i am very confused and i wish he could answere maybe kurd who
is an expert have some idea why the gap and how i score eastern european componnet in 2 other companies { my origins, my heritage }
yet nada 0% here
kind regards
adam

If he is user here?

kingjohn
09-18-2017, 02:24 PM
he is :)
do you happen to have and idea why that happen to
me and the gap in the eastern european component
i am consider you as one of the experts here
regards
Adam

MonkeyDLuffy
09-18-2017, 02:45 PM
The infamous central asian is back. Surprisingly the Euro is quite low in comparison to Sapporo, which is usually same for us.

https://i.imgur.com/gQMYmst.jpg

jonathanmcg1990
09-18-2017, 03:06 PM
Northern and Central Europe 90%
Southwest Europe 4%
Eastern Mediterrian 3%
North East Europe 2%

This adds up 99% I have been literally around the world and can't find the other 1%

lukaszM
09-18-2017, 03:14 PM
Geneplaza is the worst (7,6% ambiguous)

My
http://i67.tinypic.com/29eskkx.jpg

]

mother
https://s26.postimg.org/3xtccz1y1/F1large.jpg

father
https://s26.postimg.org/cimo45c49/Bez-nazwy-10.jpg

So it looks I inherited all my mother's SW-Euro (12%) plus some father part (2%), and in sum it is 14% in me. But I lost entirely her East-Med. I'm also lost most of her NW-Euro.

Finn
09-18-2017, 03:28 PM
Insightful LukaszM. Last week I send the kits from my parents back, curios what will be the result and the shifts....

The sister site from gencove namely dna.land, looks more fine tuned, I got 91% Northwestern Euro there (quite accurat). On gencove are the regions wider but I got a slightly more blurred result!

https://www.mupload.nl/img/vgrrnn7tfofhh.png

JFWinstone
09-18-2017, 03:35 PM
Figures for mine and mum's below

Mine Ancestry

67% Northern and Central Europe
9% Southwestern Europe
7% Southeast Asia
6% Western Africa
5% Northeast Europe
2% East Asia
2% North Central Asia
1% Eastern Africa

Mine 23andme
73% Northern and Central Europe
7% Southeast Asia
5% Southwestern Europe
4% North Central Asia
4% Western Africa
3% Northeast Europe
2% Central Indian Subcontinent
2% East Asia

Mum - Ancestry

45% Northern and Central Europe
12% East Asia
11% Southeast Asia
9% Eastern Africa
8% Western Africa
6% Northeast Europe
5% Central Indian Subcontinent
2% Bengal
1% Central Asia
1% Oceania

lukaszM
09-18-2017, 04:03 PM
Insightful LukaszM. Last week I send the kits from my parents back, curios what will be the result and the shifts....

The sister site from gencove namely dna.land, looks more fine tuned, I got 91% Northwestern Euro there (quite accurat). On gencove are the regions wider but I got a slightly more blurred result!

https://www.mupload.nl/img/vgrrnn7tfofhh.png

I can predict one of your parents has more NW-Euro than you, for sure. As is in my case, with NE-Euro. But minor components could be greater than in both. The same I have with K36 results for me and parents (I have bigger East-Balkan, Fennoscandian and French than both of them).

howr
09-18-2017, 04:39 PM
18842

star rider
09-18-2017, 05:08 PM
Here's my Gencove and my wife's as well

We discovered (using DNA) her cousins and their tribal affiliation. (Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa)

JFWinstone
09-18-2017, 05:17 PM
Mine FTDNA

66% Northern and Central Europe
8% Southwestern Europe
7% Western Africa
6% Southeast Asia
5% Northeast Europe
3% Central Indian Subcontinent
2% East Asian
2% North Central Asia

Trixster
09-18-2017, 06:15 PM
Hi all! Love this map, I seem to be all over the place. It does show me to be 4% Ashekanzi Jew as well.

18847

18848

18849

Trixster
09-18-2017, 06:45 PM
I have two questions for anyone that is able to respond.

1. What would be the best way to have this lovely map printed

2. Can I upload other family members data (and how does one differentiate who is who on the site?

Please and thank you

Tjada
09-18-2017, 06:48 PM
Mine:


http://i66.tinypic.com/2dub4zk.jpg

kingjohn
09-18-2017, 06:49 PM
father :
he is half aschenazi {his mother and my grandmother }
but his father make this test results much more interesting
18850
adam

kingjohn
09-18-2017, 07:32 PM
look at my father dna land almost the same so we can compare
the east med in gencove could be indid balkan
he score 29% in dna land
18851

in dna tribe: he score 13.5% greek italian
and 14% lebanese cypriotes

stealth
09-18-2017, 08:16 PM
second upload Gencove- stealth

18853


Northeast Europe was 83% now= 85%
Southwestern Europe was 11% now= 10%
Eastern Mediterranean was 7% now= 5%

Total was 101% now= 100%

stealth
09-18-2017, 08:34 PM
Looks similar with my closest @ populations Gedmatch

84.1% Belorussian= 85% Northeast Europe
15.9% Greek Thessaly= 15% Eastern Mediterranean + Southwestern Europe

or

89.7% Estonian Polish= 90% Northeast Europe + Eastern Mediterranean
10.3% Sephardic Jewish= 10% Southwestern Europe

Trixster
09-18-2017, 08:58 PM
This was a very cool visual. But for whatever reason, after I uploaded my raw data this morning I have not been able to log back in (either with my smartphone or desk top). Boo :\

Dorsetshireman
09-18-2017, 09:45 PM
18854

Yeah, pretty consistent with my DNAland results. I wonder if the Southwestern Europe is related to my Rhineland German great-grandfather, considering that people of the Rhineland might well be closer genetically to the southern French than any of the British and Scandinavian groups used as the references for "Northern and Central Europe".

Sikeliot
09-18-2017, 09:54 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/51736ba98c835b357832bb1f95a47953.png


What is DR2001's ancestry? They are very close to my Sicilian cousin.

coffeeprince
09-18-2017, 10:15 PM
What is DR2001's ancestry? They are very close to my Sicilian cousin.

Sephardic Moroccan.

Sikeliot
09-18-2017, 10:17 PM
Sephardic Moroccan.

Oh ok. I can see how he'd be close to Sicilians at least from the west of the island.

gyanwali
09-19-2017, 12:23 AM
Question:
Where did the 10% NE Euro in my ancestry come from, as well as the NE Euro in other South Asians?
Is it the same as Harappa World's or does it signify something more recent?

Dibran
09-19-2017, 12:50 AM
Only speculation you know better than me your family history obviously, there was large migration Sephardic Jews to Thessaloniki Greece, not far from Albania. Its hard to make conclusion though without all the facts.

Anything is possible. I do notice my fathers ged mix is usually greek thessaly(where theres no albanian reference) and 6-8 percent jewish(sephardic, algerian etc). Where as I am mostly the same, but instead of jewish groups I score either sardinian/bulgarian/german/norwegian/or other slavic group. This probably coming from my mom, whose family is part of northern tribal clans that intermarried with clans from montenegro(my best guess on an explanation). My uncle does look particularly Sephardic, as does my grandfathers brother especially) He can even pass for berber. There was a clan around Salonik/Thessaloniki with the name Koci, a branch of which went to moldavia to become Vasil Lupu. I am unsure if there is any connection on that end. Though, given my ydna being uncommon in the north, its possible we migrated from the south. My father matches southern albanians more than north(though not by much) on lukasz k36 maps.

We also score alot of Sardinian compared to other Albanians. On Harrapa we shift towards Sardinia a little. I have higher basque and Iberian than my father on k36 and him higher italian. My maternal grandmother(H11a) is dark reddish brown haired, fair complexioned and hazel green eyes. Not very particular for her family or region either. Who knows how these genes all come together. All I know is me and my father score the highest IT from any modern testers(at least from what I have seen). Its very atypical. His is 35 percent and mine 32 percent. As I understand the highest is 28 on average amongst tuscans. Albanian average is 22-24? explains the shift towards Tuscans in gedmatch. For 300-350 years my family has been in Diber, Albania. an isolated village called Okshtuni vogel. Before that oral history claims migration from Mirdita, but we have no evidence for where we were before 1650s, other than oral history(to a very real family living in the area we claim descent). My moms line claim descent to Gjin Bua Shpata(John Shpata) the albanian warlord in the 1300s, around Epirus. They can only trace back 400 years though. They are also the only muslim family in a predominantly catholic tribe. Which makes me think they migrated from elsewhere. My next task is to test my mom.


For example:

K13

Father:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.91
2 West_Med 25.64
3 North_Atlantic 17.71
4 Baltic 16.89
5 West_Asian 10.18
6 Red_Sea 1.6
7 Amerindian 0.63
8 Siberian 0.21
9 Northeast_African 0.12
10 Oceanian 0.06
11 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.66
2 Central_Greek 9.15
3 West_Sicilian 10.02
4 East_Sicilian 10.19
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.92


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Sardinian @ 3.96
2 93.7% Greek_Thessaly + 6.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.55

Mine:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 26.16
2 East_Med 24.03
3 North_Atlantic 20.66
4 Baltic 16.73
5 West_Asian 10.69
6 Red_Sea 1.61
7 East_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6
2 Tuscan 9.04
3 West_Sicilian 10.25
4 Central_Greek 10.41
5 Bulgarian 10.58


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.4% Greek_Thessaly + 14.6% Sardinian @ 3.54
2 74.2% Bulgarian + 25.8% Sardinian @ 3.97

stealth
09-19-2017, 01:21 AM
Anything is possible. I do notice my fathers ged mix is usually greek thessaly(where theres no albanian reference) and 6-8 percent jewish(sephardic, algerian etc). Where as I am mostly the same, but instead of jewish groups I score either bulgarian/german/norwegian/or other slavic group. This probably coming from my mom, whose family is part of northern tribal clans that intermarried with clans from montenegro(my best guess on an explanation). My uncle does look particularly Sephardic, as does my grandfathers brother especially) He can even pass for berber. There was a clan around Salonik/Thessaloniki with the name Koci, a branch of which went to moldavia to become Vasil Lupu. I am unsure if there is any connection on that end. Though, given my ydna being uncommon in the north, its possible we migrated from the south. My father matches southern albanians more than north(though not by much) on lukasz k36 maps.

We also score alot of Sardinian compared to other Albanians. On Harrapa we shift towards Sardinia a little. I have higher basque and Iberian than my father on k36 and him higher italian. My maternal grandmother(H11a) is dark reddish brown haired, fair complexioned and hazel green eyes. Not very particular for her family or region either. Who knows how these genes all come together. All I know is me and my father score the highest IT from any modern testers(at least from what I have seen). Its very atypical. His is 35 percent and mine 32 percent. As I understand the highest is 28 on average amongst tuscans. Albanian average is 22-24? explains the shift towards Tuscans in gedmatch. For 300-350 years my family has been in Diber, Albania. an isolated village called Okshtuni vogel. Before that oral history claims migration from Mirdita, but we have no evidence for where we were before 1650s, other than oral history(to a very real family living in the area we claim descent). My moms line claim descent to Gjin Bua Shpata(John Shpata) the albanian warlord in the 1300s, around Epirus.

Thats all interesting stuff I always enjoy learning peoples family history.

Sometimes people in East Europe have unusual red hair where is uncommon to find. For example my paternal grandmother she had red-brown hair. Her family was Gorals from Carpathian region ( Ukraine, Moldova, Romania ) her uncle is in my profile picture, he was military general for Polish government.

My maternal side is Jewish side, I have been told Sephardic and my data seems to indicate that, but I am always interested in new research and genetic tests. On this side of family everyone has green eyes. Its obvious who belongs to the Jewish side in family theres no fluctuations, I mean everyone has slightly darker appearance for Slavic country and green eyes.

Harappa I score this

92.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 7.7% sardinian (hgdp) @ 2.58

Dodecad K12b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.4
2 81.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 18.7% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 1.52
3 73.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.4% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.61
4 75.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.62
5 74.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.64
6 74.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.65
7 79.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 20.6% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
8 74.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.7
9 57.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 42.8% German (Dodecad) @ 1.73
10 71.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.73
11 56.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 43.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.74
12 75.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.4% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 1.75
13 68.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.79
14 74% Hungarians (Behar) + 26% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.8
15 80.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 19.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.81
16 66% Russian_B (Behar) + 34% French (HGDP) @ 1.82
17 79.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 20.6% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.83
18 83.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 16.3% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.84
19 74% Russian (Dodecad) + 26% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.88
20 75.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.5% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.88

Dodecad K7b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 9.6% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 0.55
2 88.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.8% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 0.57
3 88% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 12% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 0.57
4 89% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 0.58
5 88.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.4% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 0.6
6 88.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 0.61
7 88.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 0.62
8 87.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 12.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 0.7
9 89.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 10.8% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.7
10 88.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.4% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 0.79
11 87.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.8
12 88.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.8% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 0.82
13 88.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.8% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 0.83
14 88.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 11.8% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 0.83
15 68.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 31.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.84
16 95.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 4.6% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 0.84
17 93.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 6.7% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 0.85
18 88.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.85
19 88.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 11.6% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.86
20 92.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 7.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 0.9

K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% Estonian_Polish + 12.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.38
2 89.4% Estonian_Polish + 10.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.44
3 89.4% Estonian_Polish + 10.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.49
4 86.6% Belorussian + 13.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.5
5 88.5% Belorussian + 11.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
6 88.6% Belorussian + 11.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.6
7 78.7% Lithuanian + 21.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.66
8 90.2% Estonian_Polish + 9.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.7
9 89.7% Estonian_Polish + 10.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.72
10 81.4% Lithuanian + 18.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.73
11 84.1% Belorussian + 15.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.76
12 90.3% Estonian_Polish + 9.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.77
13 85.4% Estonian_Polish + 14.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.79
14 87.9% Estonian_Polish + 12.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.8
15 81.4% Lithuanian + 18.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.82
16 88.9% Estonian_Polish + 11.1% South_Italian @ 3.84
17 87.9% Belorussian + 12.1% South_Italian @ 3.87
18 89.5% Belorussian + 10.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.88
19 88.2% Estonian_Polish + 11.8% East_Sicilian @ 3.89
20 79.6% Belorussian + 20.4% Bulgarian @ 3.9

Dibran
09-19-2017, 01:55 AM
Thats all interesting stuff I always enjoy learning peoples family history.

Sometimes people in East Europe have unusual red hair where is uncommon to find. For example my paternal grandmother she had red-brown hair. Her family was Gorals from Carpathian region ( Ukraine, Moldova, Romania ) her uncle is in my profile picture, he was Military General for Polish Government.

My maternal side is Jewish side, I have been told Sephardic and my data seems to indicate that, but I am always interested in new research and genetic tests. On this side of family everyone has green eyes. Its obvious who belongs to the Jewish side in family theres no fluctuations, I mean everyone has slightly darker appearance for Slavic country and green eyes.

Harappa I score this

92.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 7.7% sardinian (hgdp) @ 2.58

Dodecad K12b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.4
2 81.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 18.7% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 1.52
3 73.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.4% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.61
4 75.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.62
5 74.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.64
6 74.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.65
7 79.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 20.6% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
8 74.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.7
9 57.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 42.8% German (Dodecad) @ 1.73
10 71.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.73
11 56.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 43.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.74
12 75.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.4% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 1.75
13 68.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.79
14 74% Hungarians (Behar) + 26% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.8
15 80.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 19.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.81
16 66% Russian_B (Behar) + 34% French (HGDP) @ 1.82
17 79.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 20.6% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.83
18 83.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 16.3% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.84
19 74% Russian (Dodecad) + 26% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.88
20 75.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.5% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.88

Dodecad K7b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 9.6% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 0.55
2 88.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.8% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 0.57
3 88% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 12% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 0.57
4 89% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 0.58
5 88.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.4% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 0.6
6 88.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 0.61
7 88.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.7% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 0.62
8 87.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 12.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 0.7
9 89.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 10.8% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.7
10 88.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.4% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 0.79
11 87.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.8
12 88.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.8% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 0.82
13 88.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.8% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 0.83
14 88.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 11.8% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 0.83
15 68.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 31.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.84
16 95.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 4.6% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 0.84
17 93.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 6.7% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 0.85
18 88.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 11.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.85
19 88.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 11.6% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.86
20 92.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 7.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 0.9

K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% Estonian_Polish + 12.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.38
2 89.4% Estonian_Polish + 10.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.44
3 89.4% Estonian_Polish + 10.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.49
4 86.6% Belorussian + 13.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.5
5 88.5% Belorussian + 11.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.5
6 88.6% Belorussian + 11.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.6
7 78.7% Lithuanian + 21.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.66
8 90.2% Estonian_Polish + 9.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.7
9 89.7% Estonian_Polish + 10.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.72
10 81.4% Lithuanian + 18.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.73
11 84.1% Belorussian + 15.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.76
12 90.3% Estonian_Polish + 9.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.77
13 85.4% Estonian_Polish + 14.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.79
14 87.9% Estonian_Polish + 12.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.8
15 81.4% Lithuanian + 18.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.82
16 88.9% Estonian_Polish + 11.1% South_Italian @ 3.84
17 87.9% Belorussian + 12.1% South_Italian @ 3.87
18 89.5% Belorussian + 10.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.88
19 88.2% Estonian_Polish + 11.8% East_Sicilian @ 3.89
20 79.6% Belorussian + 20.4% Bulgarian @ 3.9

Very interesting history. What do you think these represent?. What is more accurate to infer, single populations or mixed match? Here are ours. In these others he gets matches with groups I mentioned though not as much as me.

Harappa:

Me:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 26.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 0.89
2 75.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 24.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.17
3 94.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.63
4 92.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.7% russian (behar) @ 1.63
5 92.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.76
6 91.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 8.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.8
7 92.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.5% belorussian (behar) @ 1.83
8 93.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.2% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.97
9 89.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 10.6% slovenian (xing) @ 2.07
10 89% tuscan (1000genomes) + 11% hungarian (behar) @ 2.19
11 93% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7% chuvash (behar) @ 2.23
12 92.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.86
13 93.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.07
14 94.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.11
15 94.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.8% british (1000genomes) @ 3.15
16 95.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.5% urkarah (xing) @ 3.3
17 55.4% french (hgdp) + 44.6% cypriot (behar) @ 3.36
18 53.6% italian (hgdp) + 46.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.37
19 93.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.4% french (hgdp) @ 3.38
20 95.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.42

My Father:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.7% urkarah (xing) @ 1.43
2 92.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 1.49
3 93.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.3% lezgin (behar) @ 1.64
4 93.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.3% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.66
5 93.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.7% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 1.76
6 92.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.4% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 1.78
7 94.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.8% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.94
8 94.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.95
9 94.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.4% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.98
10 84% tuscan (1000genomes) + 16% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.99
11 90.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 9.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.08
12 94.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.3% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.14
13 94.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.15
14 85.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 14.2% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.17
15 94.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.9% azeri (harappa) @ 2.18
16 93.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.21
17 94.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.2% iranian (harappa) @ 2.25
18 95.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.9% kurd (xing) @ 2.27
19 93.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.2% turk (behar) @ 2.27
20 95.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.1% georgian (harappa) @ 2.3


K12b:

Me:


Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 30.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.6
2 68.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 31.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
3 68.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.77
4 70.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.92
5 58% Greek (Dodecad) + 42% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.98
6 87.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.12
7 88.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.13
8 88.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.14
9 77.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.7% French (HGDP) @ 2.16
10 70% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.2
11 70.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 29.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.2
12 88.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.23
13 90.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 9.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
14 90.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 9.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.27
15 87.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.32
16 89% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
17 77.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.3% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.45
18 89% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.53
19 82.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.2% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.55
20 67% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 33% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.58

My Father:



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 21.7% French (Dodecad) @ 1.34
2 69.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.34
3 78.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 21.8% French (HGDP) @ 1.35
4 68.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.54
5 88.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.6
6 73% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.69
7 82.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.73
8 88.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.75
9 87.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.78
10 88.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.79
11 82.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.3% British (Dodecad) @ 1.83
12 68.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.88
13 87.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.89
14 88.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.97
15 89.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 10.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.99
16 83.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.7% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.01
17 90.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 9.5% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.07
18 83.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.08
19 82% Greek (Dodecad) + 18% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.11
20 83.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.15

K7b:

Me:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% French_Basque (HGDP) + 39.5% Armenians (Behar) @ 0.03
2 73.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 26.5% French (HGDP) @ 0.17
3 60.8% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) + 39.2% Armenians (Behar) @ 0.23
4 84.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.27
5 84.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.36
6 58.3% French (HGDP) + 41.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.37
7 85.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.41
8 86.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 13.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 0.42
9 85.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 14.9% Georgians (Behar) @ 0.45
10 85.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 0.48
11 83.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 0.49
12 84.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.5
13 60.9% French_Basque (HGDP) + 39.1% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 0.53
14 84.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Belorussian (Behar) @ 0.56
15 85.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.58
16 84.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.58
17 61.2% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) + 38.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 0.59
18 82.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.61
19 77.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.63
20 81.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.69

My Father:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.33
2 65.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.48
3 85.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.5
4 83.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.3% British (Dodecad) @ 0.58
5 94.5% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 0.6
6 83% Greek (Dodecad) + 17% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 0.6
7 94.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.6
8 82.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.3% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 0.61
9 83.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.9% English (Dodecad) @ 0.62
10 83.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 0.62
11 61.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.63
12 84.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 0.64
13 93.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 6.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.64
14 83.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 0.65
15 94.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.7% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.66
16 94.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.9% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 0.68
17 84% Greek (Dodecad) + 16% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 0.68
18 94% Tuscan (HGDP) + 6% Adygei (HGDP) @ 0.69
19 82.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.69
20 83% Greek (Dodecad) + 17% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.69

PureEvil
09-19-2017, 02:11 AM
My Results
Northern and Central Europe 82%
Southwestern Europe 9%
Eastern Mediterranean 6%
Northeast Europe 2%
Northern Africa 1%

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stealth
09-19-2017, 02:21 AM
Very interesting history. What do you think these represent?. What is more accurate to infer, single populations or mixed match? Here are ours. In these others he gets matches with groups I mentioned though not as much as me.

Harappa:

Me:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 26.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 0.89
2 75.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 24.6% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.17
3 94.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.63
4 92.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.7% russian (behar) @ 1.63
5 92.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 1.76
6 91.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 8.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 1.8
7 92.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.5% belorussian (behar) @ 1.83
8 93.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.2% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.97
9 89.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 10.6% slovenian (xing) @ 2.07
10 89% tuscan (1000genomes) + 11% hungarian (behar) @ 2.19
11 93% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7% chuvash (behar) @ 2.23
12 92.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.86
13 93.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.07
14 94.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.11
15 94.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.8% british (1000genomes) @ 3.15
16 95.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.5% urkarah (xing) @ 3.3
17 55.4% french (hgdp) + 44.6% cypriot (behar) @ 3.36
18 53.6% italian (hgdp) + 46.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.37
19 93.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.4% french (hgdp) @ 3.38
20 95.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.42

My Father:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.7% urkarah (xing) @ 1.43
2 92.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 1.49
3 93.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.3% lezgin (behar) @ 1.64
4 93.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.3% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.66
5 93.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.7% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 1.76
6 92.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 7.4% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 1.78
7 94.2% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.8% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.94
8 94.4% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.95
9 94.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.4% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.98
10 84% tuscan (1000genomes) + 16% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.99
11 90.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 9.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.08
12 94.7% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.3% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.14
13 94.3% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.15
14 85.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 14.2% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.17
15 94.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.9% azeri (harappa) @ 2.18
16 93.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.21
17 94.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 5.2% iranian (harappa) @ 2.25
18 95.1% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.9% kurd (xing) @ 2.27
19 93.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 6.2% turk (behar) @ 2.27
20 95.9% tuscan (1000genomes) + 4.1% georgian (harappa) @ 2.3


K12b:

Me:


Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 30.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.6
2 68.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 31.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
3 68.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.77
4 70.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.92
5 58% Greek (Dodecad) + 42% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.98
6 87.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.12
7 88.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.13
8 88.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.14
9 77.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.7% French (HGDP) @ 2.16
10 70% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.2
11 70.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 29.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.2
12 88.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.23
13 90.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 9.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
14 90.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 9.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.27
15 87.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.32
16 89% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
17 77.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.3% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.45
18 89% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.53
19 82.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.2% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.55
20 67% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 33% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.58

My Father:



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 21.7% French (Dodecad) @ 1.34
2 69.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.34
3 78.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 21.8% French (HGDP) @ 1.35
4 68.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.54
5 88.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.6
6 73% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.69
7 82.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.73
8 88.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.75
9 87.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.78
10 88.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.79
11 82.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.3% British (Dodecad) @ 1.83
12 68.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.88
13 87.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.89
14 88.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.3% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.97
15 89.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 10.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.99
16 83.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.7% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.01
17 90.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 9.5% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.07
18 83.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.08
19 82% Greek (Dodecad) + 18% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.11
20 83.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.15

K7b:

Me:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% French_Basque (HGDP) + 39.5% Armenians (Behar) @ 0.03
2 73.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 26.5% French (HGDP) @ 0.17
3 60.8% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) + 39.2% Armenians (Behar) @ 0.23
4 84.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.27
5 84.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.36
6 58.3% French (HGDP) + 41.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.37
7 85.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.41
8 86.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 13.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 0.42
9 85.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 14.9% Georgians (Behar) @ 0.45
10 85.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 0.48
11 83.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 0.49
12 84.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.5
13 60.9% French_Basque (HGDP) + 39.1% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 0.53
14 84.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Belorussian (Behar) @ 0.56
15 85.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.58
16 84.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 0.58
17 61.2% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) + 38.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 0.59
18 82.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.61
19 77.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 0.63
20 81.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.69

My Father:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.33
2 65.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.48
3 85.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.5
4 83.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.3% British (Dodecad) @ 0.58
5 94.5% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 0.6
6 83% Greek (Dodecad) + 17% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 0.6
7 94.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.6
8 82.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.3% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 0.61
9 83.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.9% English (Dodecad) @ 0.62
10 83.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 0.62
11 61.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.63
12 84.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 0.64
13 93.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 6.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.64
14 83.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 0.65
15 94.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.7% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.66
16 94.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 5.9% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 0.68
17 84% Greek (Dodecad) + 16% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 0.68
18 94% Tuscan (HGDP) + 6% Adygei (HGDP) @ 0.69
19 82.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.69
20 83% Greek (Dodecad) + 17% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.69

Greek, Tuscan, Italian seem to me as interchangeable and representing closest proxy for your Albanian admix.

What is interesting is the Iranian Jews, Georgia Jews, Azerbaijan Jews representing Jewish but could also be an intermediate of Jewish and Middle Eastern.

Even more interesting is French Basque you score with 1st population on k7b. There was Sephardic Jews in this region of southern France close to Spain border.

For me, 2 populations is most accurate but I guess depends on your own history. I have Slavic with some Jewish so with 2 populations breaks it down effectively.

randwulf
09-19-2017, 02:22 AM
My results:

18856

randwulf
09-19-2017, 03:08 AM
Dad:

18857

Mom:

18858

randwulf
09-19-2017, 03:09 AM
Wife:

18859

Father in law:

18860

jortita
09-19-2017, 03:55 AM
Figures for mine and mum's below

Mine Ancestry

67% Northern and Central Europe
9% Southwestern Europe
7% Southeast Asia
6% Western Africa
5% Northeast Europe
2% East Asia
2% North Central Asia
1% Eastern Africa

Mine 23andme
73% Northern and Central Europe
7% Southeast Asia
5% Southwestern Europe
4% North Central Asia
4% Western Africa
3% Northeast Europe
2% Central Indian Subcontinent
2% East Asia

Mum - Ancestry

45% Northern and Central Europe
12% East Asia
11% Southeast Asia
9% Eastern Africa
8% Western Africa
6% Northeast Europe
5% Central Indian Subcontinent
2% Bengal
1% Central Asia
1% Oceania

Its strange that I usually score more than double East Asian ancestry than you in most calculators but in this you score more

Trixster
09-19-2017, 04:29 AM
My results:

18856

Very cool results Randwulf. May I ask how you went about uploading the data for your family? I would like to do the same. Thank you

Sapporo
09-19-2017, 04:47 AM
khana, so your family (brother, sister and yourself) and Kaido got Central Asian but neither the Mohmand Pakhtun nor Velvet NoNo did? I imagine Kaido got significant Central Asian because of similarity to the Kalash (they should have been part of Central Indian with the HGDP Pakistanis) whereas you guys got it because the Uzbek ancestry from your grandmother.


As for the Mohmand from FATA and Velvet, the only real difference between them seems to be that one of them got Eastern Mediterranean (Mohmand got 12%) and the other got Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau (Velvet got 14% and Mohmand got 6%) Otherwise, they're virtually identical. Did others also score North/Central Euro and Northeast Euro components? I would have presumed both the Mohmand and VelvetNoNo got at least a few % each but it seems like only Velvet did since the Mohmand has (83% Central Indian, 12% Eastern Mediterranean and 6% Anatolia/Caucasus/Iranian).


Seems like I'm the only one from Northwestern South Asia/South Central Asia who scored 8% Southern Indian but then had it offset by 4% Northern/Central Euro, 4% Northeast Euro and 2% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian Plateau?

Edit: Your sister got it like myself too.

71% Central Indian
8% Central Asian
8% Southern Indian
5% Eastern Mediterranean
4% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian
2% Northeast Asian

So she did get 2% Euro I presume.

Your brother:
72% Central Indian
7% Central Asian
6% Eastern Mediterranean
3% Southern Indian
2% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian
2% Northeast Asian

Your brother must have some Euro as well then.

You seemed to have been restricted to only 4 components:

80% Central Indian
9% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian
7% Central Asian
3% Eastern Mediterranean
2% Northeast Asian

khanabadoshi
09-19-2017, 05:17 AM
khana, so your family (brother, sister and yourself) and Kaido got Central Asian but neither the Mohmand Pakhtun nor Velvet NoNo did? I imagine Kaido got significant Central Asian because of similarity to the Kalash (they should have been part of Central Indian with the HGDP Pakistanis) whereas you guys got it because the Uzbek ancestry from your grandmother.


As for the Mohmand from FATA and Velvet, the only real difference between them seems to be that one of them got Eastern Mediterranean (Mohmand got 12%) and the other got Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau (Velvet got 14% and Mohmand got 6%) Otherwise, they're virtually identical. Did others also score North/Central Euro and Northeast Euro components? I would have presumed both the Mohmand and VelvetNoNo got at least a few % each but it seems like only Velvet did since the Mohmand has (83% Central Indian, 12% Eastern Mediterranean and 6% Anatolia/Caucasus/Iranian).


Seems like I'm the only one from Northwestern South Asia/South Central Asia who scored 8% Southern Indian but then had it offset by 4% Northern/Central Euro, 4% Northeast Euro and 2% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian Plateau?

Edit: Your sister got it like myself too.

71% Central Indian
8% Central Asian
8% Southern Indian
5% Eastern Mediterranean
4% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian
2% Northeast Asian

So she did get 2% Euro I presume.

Your brother:
72% Central Indian
7% Central Asian
6% Eastern Mediterranean
3% Southern Indian
2% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian
2% Northeast Asian

Your brother must have some Euro as well then.

You seemed to have been restricted to only 4 components:

80% Central Indian
9% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian
7% Central Asian
3% Eastern Mediterranean
2% Northeast Asian


I sorted the components highest to lowest for the South Asians and some West Asians to get an idea:






Northeast Asia



Southeast Asia



Central Asia



Central Indian subcontinent



Southern Indian subcontinent



Middle East



khana mGM

4


shazou [Ilocano/Tagalog]

89


khana mGMBrother

34

noman [Chauhan]

94


kush [Telugu]

89


Abd.H - AncestryDNA

37



gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]
4

shazou [FTNDA]
88

khana mGM

21


khana pUncle
83

BMG [Malayali]
63

Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA
31


khana Brother
2

Reza

4

Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
12

Mohmand Pashtun
83

ssamlal Brother
51

JuLeZ [Armenian/Unknown]
25


khana Sister
2

Zayd

4

khana Sister
8

VelvetNono [Afghan Pashtun]
82

ssamlal [Indo-Trinidadian]
41

Drobbah [Somali]
23


khanabadoshi
2

Reza Mother

3


khana Brother
7

Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
81

ssamlal Mother
41

Darko [Tunisian/Senegalese]
18


Reza Wife
2




khanabadoshi
7

khanabadoshi
80

Varun R [Tamil Brahmin]
26

Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]
16


Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
2


East Asia


khana mGFSister
7

Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri
79

Zayd
24

Saba123 [Iranian]
13


Hanna [Turkish]

1


[B]shazou [Ilocano/Tagalog]

6


khana pUncle
4

khana mGFSister
73

khana mGFSister

19


[B]Reza Mother

3



khana mGMBrother
1

jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
5

Reza Mother
3

khana Brother
72

gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]

16


Araz95
2


khana pUncle
1

shazou [FTNDA]
4

gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]
3

Varun R [Tamil Brahmin]
72

Multan - Syed/Durrani

15


SWAHILLI_PRINCE16 [Kenyan]
2





jortita [AncestryDNA]

3

Araz95
3

khana Sister
71

Gandhara

12







North-central Asia


Zayd [Bengali]
1


Multan - Syed/Durrani
3

Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
69

Reza Mother
10


Ashkenazi Jewish



jortita [AncestryDNA]

4





Reza Wife
2

gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]
67

Reza Father

10

Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]

6



jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
3


Bengal


Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri
2

Multan - Syed/Durrani
67


Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]

8


khana Sister

4


Zayd
2

[B]Reza Father

[B]87


noman [Chauhan]
2

Gandhara
60

khana Sister

8


jortita [AncestryDNA]

4






Reza Wife
79

Varun R [Tamil Brahmin]
2

khana mGM
57

Reza Wife
8

Hanna [Turkish]

3




Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau


jortita [AncestryDNA]
76

Darko [Tunisian/Senegalese]

2


ssamlal [Indo-Trinidadian]
37

Reza
5





Hanna [Turkish]

80


Reza [Bengali]
75

Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA

1


ssamlal Brother
35

khana Brother

3






Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]
55

jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
74

Saba123 [Iranian]
1

khana mGMBrother
33

khana mGMBrother

3






Araz95
55

Reza Mother

63


Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]
1

[B]Saba123 [Iranian]

33


shazou [Ilocano/Tagalog]

3






Saba123 [Iranian]
50

ssamlal Mother
40

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16 [Kenyan]

1


BMG [Malayali]
31

khana mGM

1






Abd.H - AncestryDNA
50

Zayd

37





Zayd
26








Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA
47

ssamlal [Indo-Trinidadian]
22




Kurmanji Kurd [N. Iraq]
22








JuLeZ [Armenian/Unknown]
41

ssamlal Brother
14




Araz95
20








[B]VelvetNono [Afghan Pashtun]

[B]14


Gandhara

10





ssamlal Mother
19








Gandhara

11

Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri

9




Reza Mother
18








khana pUncle

11


BMG [Malayali]
6





Reza
18








khana mGMBrother
10

shazou [FTNDA]

[B]6





jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
15








khanabadoshi
9

khana mGMBrother
5




jortita [AncestryDNA]
14








Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
9

Multan - Syed/Durrani
4




kush [Telugu]
12








khana mGM
6

khana mGFSister
3




Reza Wife
10








Mohmand Pashtun
6







Abd.H - AncestryDNA

3









Multan - Syed/Durrani
4







Reza Father
3








khana Sister
4







Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA

1









Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
2

















khana Brother
2

khanabadoshi
09-19-2017, 05:29 AM
@Sapporro:

My brother gets 6% NE Euro and 2% N/C Euro. My sister gets 4% Ashkenazi.




Northeast Asia
Central Asia
Central Indian subcontinent
Southern Indian subcontinent
Bengal
Eastern Mediterranean
Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
Ashkenazi Jewish
Northeast Europe
Northern and Central Europe
Americas
TOTAL


khanabadoshi
2
7
80
0
0
3
9
0
0
0
0
101


khana Brother
2
7
72
3
0
6
2
0
6
2
0
100


khana Sister
2
8
71
8
0
5
4
4
0
0
0
102


khana mGM
4
21
57
1
0
3
6
0
9
0
0
101


khana mGMBrother
1
34
33
3
5
0
10
0
11
0
3
100


khana pUncle
1
4
83
0
0
0
11
0
2
0
0
101


khana mGFSister
0
7
73
19
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
102

Sapporo
09-19-2017, 06:04 AM
@khana

Thanks. Do you mind adding the minor Euro components like North/Central Euro and NE Euro too? Trying to figure out how random it was for people to score those. For example, Gandhara got even more Southern Indian subcontinent than me as well as Bengal (which is weird for a Punjabi) but it makes sense since he also got over 10% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian + 8% NE Euro to compensate for the Southern/Eastern pull from the Southern Indian/Bengal components. On the other hand, guys like noman got 94% Central Indian (i.e. Pakistani like component) with some East Med and Central Asian.

khanabadoshi
09-19-2017, 07:10 AM
@khana

Thanks. Do you mind adding the minor Euro components like North/Central Euro and NE Euro too? Trying to figure out how random it was for people to score those. For example, Gandhara got even more Southern Indian subcontinent than me as well as Bengal (which is weird for a Punjabi) but it makes sense since he also got over 10% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian + 8% NE Euro to compensate for the Southern/Eastern pull from the Southern Indian/Bengal components. On the other hand, guys like noman got 94% Central Indian (i.e. Pakistani like component) with some East Med and Central Asian.

I just realized the Euro components aren't in the chart I posted. Woops. Lemme go find the spreadsheet.

EDIT:






Southwestern Europe


Abd.H - AncestryDNA
11


Abd.H [Syrian] - FTDNA
8


Darko [Tunisian/Senegalese]
2







Northeast Europe


khana mGMBrother
11


khana mGM
9


Gandhara
8


khana Brother
6


Lahore - Rajput/Kashmiri
6


Zayd [Bengali]
5


VelvetNono [Afghan Pashtun]
5


Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
4


jortita [MyHeritageDNA]
4


Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
3


khana pUncle
2







Northern and Central Europe


gyanwali [Nepali Brahmin]
10


Multan - Syed/Durrani
8


Sapporo [Punjabi Jatt]
4


JuLeZ [Armenian/Unknown]
4


Kaido [Yusufzai Pashtun]
3


khana Brother
2







Americas


khana mGMBrother
3







Oceania


Zayd [Bengali]
2


shazou [Ilocano/Tagalog]
2


shazou [FTNDA]
2






https://i.gyazo.com/189430173043898cbeaa374c9c5ef64e.png

I put gyanwali in the 2 groupings for comparison. Reza's mother scoring Middle East is definitely interesting.


This might be clearer w/ the columns matching up.

https://i.gyazo.com/d79919051520e0ec7d8ac73b4ca7f14f.png

lukaszM
09-19-2017, 08:39 AM
Very cool results Randwulf. May I ask how you went about uploading the data for your family? I would like to do the same. Thank you

Just open every new account for every member of the family.

A Norfolk L-M20
09-19-2017, 09:29 AM
Late comer into this one.

East Anglian English.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18861&d=1505813341

Mestace
09-19-2017, 09:32 AM
https://i.imgur.com/YSqtodO.jpg


I have to find out how to work out the ftdna it asks for a support file (?)

Waldemar
09-19-2017, 10:02 AM
My results...
https://s26.postimg.org/c88ll1nyh/Screen_Hunter_2011_Sep._19_11.08.jpg

Dibran
09-19-2017, 10:11 AM
Greek, Tuscan, Italian seem to me as interchangeable and representing closest proxy for your Albanian admix.

What is interesting is the Iranian Jews, Georgia Jews, Azerbaijan Jews representing Jewish but could also be an intermediate of Jewish and Middle Eastern.

Even more interesting is French Basque you score with 1st population on k7b. There was Sephardic Jews in this region of southern France close to Spain border.

For me, 2 populations is most accurate but I guess depends on your own history. I have Slavic with some Jewish so with 2 populations breaks it down effectively.

It's possible for sure. I find neolithic k13 pop mix to be most accurate. I will post them when I get out of work. Generally I get 90-95 percent Albanian no 5-10 older groups, kavkazians, or Jewish groups.