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Tj.lowery
09-23-2017, 02:45 PM
I1 as7e is positive for cts 6364,but not l22.It has only been found in Britain so far. Any ideas on how this clade got Britain? Thank you

spruithean
09-23-2017, 03:02 PM
I1 as7e is positive for cts 6364,but not l22.It has only been found in Britain so far. Any ideas on how this clade got Britain? Thank you

YFull estimates that I-Z2336 (aka I-CTS6364) formed 4600 ybp, that's fairly old and the TMRCA is 4200 ybp.

At any rate it could have made its way to Britain with the Anglo-Saxon or Scandinavian settlements, though since it is so old perhaps it had multiple pathways with differing time periods for specific people. Perhaps it could have also arrived (for some individuals) with Normans of patrilineal Scandinavian origin.

Have any old I-M253-AS7E individuals done the NGS tests? If they aren't L22+ they may be Y3886 or Y2337?

Tj.lowery
09-23-2017, 03:24 PM
It is also positive for l69.

spruithean
09-23-2017, 03:39 PM
It is also positive for l69.

L69 is also called Y18103, which would follow this path from CTS6364:

CTS6364>Y3866>S4767>S7642>L69/Y18103.

According to Eupedia Y18103/L69 is found mostly in Poland but also in Denmark, Slovakia, Hungary and Russia. Is the entirety of the old AS7E group L69 positive?

According to YFull L69/Y18103 formed 1300 ybp with a TMRCA 1200 ybp that's within range for some sort of Scandinavian migration/movement. I would expect a Scandinavian origin for L69/Y18103 in Britain then.

tjlowery87
11-03-2017, 10:10 PM
Thanks

kirroid
06-20-2018, 11:01 PM
L69 is also called Y18103, which would follow this path from CTS6364:

CTS6364>Y3866>S4767>S7642>L69/Y18103.

According to Eupedia Y18103/L69 is found mostly in Poland but also in Denmark, Slovakia, Hungary and Russia. Is the entirety of the old AS7E group L69 positive?


L69 is not called Y18103 or anything else. First thing is that it turned out to be a very unreliable SNP years ago and was removed from any trees. Secondly, when the community was unaware of a level of its unreliability that SNP was presumed to form a sub-branch downstream from S4795, which is much older than Y18103.

AS7E is bearing an incorrect name as it has nothing to do with Anglo-Saxons at all. Being a sub-branch of CTS6364 (and its S4795 sub-clade) it is obviously of Scandinavian origin. Moreover, it's exact path is CTS6364 -> S4795 -> Y3866 -> A5338 -> A5339 -> L1275 so it is parallel to the other massive A5339's sub-clade represented by mostly Norwegians. It is very likely that L1275 got to the British Isles as/with the Vikings.