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Solothurn
08-12-2013, 02:28 PM
Hi

I received my cousin's HVR2 results this week so my paternal grandmother is a K.

K1a and could be in any of about two dozen subclades below that. Only the full-sequence test would determine that. (from admin of K :))

Results

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS

A16129G
T16187C
C16189T
T16223C
T16224C
G16230A
T16278C

HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS

C146T
C152T
A247G
315.1C
C497T
522.1A
522.2C
522.3A
522.4C

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS

16224C
16311C
16519C


HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS

73G
195C
263G
315.1C
497T
523.1C
523.2A

Diana
08-12-2013, 10:05 PM
Here is what Gioiello posted on a couple other forums in regards to my K results. I need to contact FTDNA to get his contribution in order to order it at the discounted rate.

"The hg. K1a21 is carachterized by these mutations:

HVRI: T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C
HVRII: A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T408a C497T
CR: T6407C T9428C T11017C

But we have fron SMGF these samples from the Far East:
HVRI: T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C
HVRII: A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T (from Kyrgyzstan)
and
HVRI: T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C
HVRII: A73G A153G A263G 315.1C C497T (from Mongolia)
where we may presuppose (if of course after a Coding Region exam they belonged to this haplogroup) that both T408a and 309.1C are the most recent mutation and if the mutation A153G were the most ancient of this subclade owned by the Italian Diana Panara. Also T16093C, not present in Panara, would be a mutation happened during the diffusion to East.

We have an European sample: Mitosearch 6f4ff
Most distant known maternal ancestor on the direct female line
First Name: Anna
Last Name: Rupprecht
Year Born: 1824
Year Died: 1905
Country of Origin: Bavaria/Bayern, Germany
093C,224C,311C,519C 073G,153G,263G,309.1C,315.1C,408A,497T,523.1C,523. 2A

HQ637410 FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a] 07-DEC-2010
A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T408A C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C"

Diana
08-12-2013, 10:13 PM
(From admin of K)

"Your 497T mutation gets you into the major K1a subclade that is about 60% of K. 146C is found in many K subclades. 153G is less common, but is still found in more than one lower subclade of K1a. 309.1C is found in most haplogroups and subclades and is not very significant. Your other six mutations are shared by virtually every K. We now have 1,455 members who have taken the full-sequence (mtHVR2toMega or FMS) test which is necessary to officially determine your subclade. The FMS test will also find all your coding-region mutations out of 16,569 bases total (including HVR), including any which might have medical implications."


From FTDNA Gap page results, "Anna Vona, Roma, Italia Italy Ungrouped K A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C "

Diana
08-12-2013, 10:14 PM
I don't know, I always thought my Grandmothers ancestry went back to Spain with my ggg grandparents....

Diana
08-13-2013, 07:27 AM
Update;

Recent posts on eng.molgen confirm others with 153G.
From eng.molgen

"Hi Gioiello,
I don't think you can call those two SMGF sequences K1a21, unless you have further information. They don't have the required 408a. Mutation 153G is found in several other subclades of K.
and these are my replies:
1)
Hi Bill Hurst, I thank you for your response and you have all the situation under your eyes. It seemed to me that 153G were a mutation pretty rare and stable (see hg. X) and that it were unlikely it were happened twice in the same haplogroup. For this I have contributed to pay the FMS test for Diana Panara, who has had only HVRI and II. My hope is that she has someone of the three mutations of the Coding Region for K1a21 and demonstrates that this subclade comes from Italy. Are the other K1a with 153G tested for the Coding Region? And are you sure that they aren't linked anyway with this subclade in heteroplasmy?
2)
These are all the samples found on the mtDNA Project with 153G. The first is the ancestress of Diana Panara. I am seeing that there is a sample also from Italy.
113856 Anna Vona, Roma, Italia K A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C
154040 K T16093C, A16129G, T16187C, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, T408a, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 522.3A, 522.4C
129834 Anna Maria Marino: Sicily 1890 K1a21 T16093C, A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, T408a, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 522.3A, 522.4C
138899 Georg Christ, 1655-1712 K1a21 T16093C, A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, T408a, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 522.3A, 522.4C
E12783 K1a21 T16093C, A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, T408a, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 522.3A, 522.4C
N21864 Blanche Melvin b 1909 d.2001 K1a4a1 A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 315.1C
N60447 Baud Mouthon,1807 K1a4a1a2b A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, C16245T, T16278C C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C
N47821 Eva Barbara DeCarel K1a4d A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 522.3A, 522.4C
67707 Lillian Garrison 1850, Salem Co. N.J. K1a4d A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C64Y, C146T, C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, C497T, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 522.3A, 522.4C
226646 K1c2 A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C, C16320T A153G, C195T, A247G, C498D, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C
125714 peche smith soux city iowa K2a2a1 A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C A153G, C195T, A247G, A512c, 522.1A, 522.2C, 315.1C
B3231 Sarah Geers b. ABT 1795 d. between 1847-66 K2b1 A16129G, T16187C, C16188T, C16189T, T16223C, T16224C, G16230A, T16278C C152T, A153G, C195T, A247G, 522.1A, 522.2C, 315.1C"

Grossvater
08-13-2013, 01:54 PM
Solothurn and Diana...interesting information. I, too, am a K1a (according to 23andMe) with my earliest known ancestress probably born in the Bad Tolz, Bavaria area in the early 1700s. I gotta do the full mito test with FTDNA so I can participate in this discussion.

AJL
08-13-2013, 04:42 PM
Welcome to the K-world -- my paternal grandfather was a K1a9. K/K1 seem to have originated around West Asia though some subclades of it seem to peak around the Alps.

Diana
08-14-2013, 01:52 AM
Solothurn and Diana...interesting information. I, too, am a K1a (according to 23andMe) with my earliest known ancestress probably born in the Bad Tolz, Bavaria area in the early 1700s. I gotta do the full mito test with FTDNA so I can participate in this discussion.


Hello, Nice to meet you! Jean keeps a nice record of ancient Eurasian DNA here, http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/ancientdna.shtml

Check out the K's from Germany once you upgrade which I too am going to do!

Diana
08-14-2013, 01:53 AM
Welcome to the K-world -- my paternal grandfather was a K1a9. K/K1 seem to have originated around West Asia though some subclades of it seem to peak around the Alps.

Thank you!!! :-) So thrilled to be finding my family origins!

J Man
08-14-2013, 02:53 PM
^A very distant relative to haplogroup U as well. Much different histories though. You are descended from ancient farming lasses of Europe while I am descended from ancient hunting and gathering lasses of Europe. :)

Solothurn
08-15-2013, 02:31 PM
Any idea where is K1a's origin?

QUOTE=J Man;11498]^A very distant relative to haplogroup U as well. Much different histories though. You are descended from ancient farming lasses of Europe while I am descended from ancient hunting and gathering lasses of Europe. :)[/QUOTE]

J Man
08-15-2013, 08:31 PM
^Not sure really maybe the Near East though.

Diana
08-16-2013, 09:59 PM
In another thread,

"You ask me where was our origin. Where do you think I think it is? But in Italy, of course. About my K1a1b1e I think having demonstrated from so long. You could be K1a4a1a2b or K1a13 for 146C!"

Gioiello is, K1a1b1e...

Since Otzi was shown to be K1* and having been found in the Alps I would think somewhere close to there is where K1a would have also originated.

Of course we see K's mixed in with various other haplogroups, Greeks, Minoans, Germans, just to name a few... :-)

J Man
08-17-2013, 04:10 AM
^That is not really evidence that K1a originated in the Alps. Oetzi has been shown to have to be strongly Mediterranean when it comes to autosomal genetics and his Y-DNA haplogroup is G which is thought to have originated in West Asia or the Near East. I think it is unlikely that K1a originated in the Alps.

Diana
08-17-2013, 06:26 PM
^That is not really evidence that K1a originated in the Alps. Oetzi has been shown to have to be strongly Mediterranean when it comes to autosomal genetics and his Y-DNA haplogroup is G which is thought to have originated in West Asia or the Near East. I think it is unlikely that K1a originated in the Alps.

As Solo's thread asks, "any idea where K1a originated", I was shooting out some guesses and NOT evidence as you have suggested, we don't know, it's like a lot of other ideas that get tossed about on this forum, we are just speculating so don't hold me to it! hahaha! Okay well I am going with Minoan then!

I may as well throw Babylon out there! Or Sparta.

I don't see a problem either with K1a having originated in Italy and then moving Eastward but you sound like you have a pretty good explanation already mapped out for us. By all means, elaborate. I get all confused with time eras and such. So where do you think K1a may have originated? :-)

newtoboard
08-17-2013, 06:42 PM
As Solo's thread asks, "any idea where K1a originated", I was shooting out some guesses and NOT evidence as you have suggested, we don't know, it's like a lot of other ideas that get tossed about on this forum, we are just speculating so don't hold me to it! hahaha! Okay well I am going with Minoan then!

I may as well throw Babylon out there! Or Sparta.

I don't see a problem either with K1a having originated in Italy and then moving Eastward but you sound like you have a pretty good explanation already mapped out for us. By all means, elaborate. I get all confused with time eras and such. So where do you think K1a may have originated? :-)

From the Wikipedia article on mtdna K.


Haplogroup K was found in the remains of three individuals from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B site of Tell Ramad, Syria, dating from c. 6000 BC.[11] Haplogroup K has also been found in skeletons of early farmers in Central Europe of around 5500-5300 BC. It has long been known that the techniques of farming, together with associated plant and animal breeds, spread into Europe from the Near East. The evidence from ancient DNA suggests that the Neolithic culture spread by human migration.[12]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K_%28mtDNA%29

Diana
08-17-2013, 07:36 PM
Thank you, but this doesn't explain when "K1a" originated or when and where that happened which is what we are speculating. That's why I mentioned Otzi because he was K1, so next would be K1a....and so on...

Was that site found to be K1a?


From the Wikipedia article on mtdna K.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K_%28mtDNA%29

newtoboard
08-17-2013, 07:44 PM
Thank you, but this doesn't explain when "K1a" originated or when and where that happened which is what we are speculating. That's why I mentioned Otzi because he was K1, so next would be K1a....and so on...

Was that site found to be K1a?

I don't know but it appears likely as most West Asian K is K1a rather than K1b and K1c which appear to be more European.

Diana
08-17-2013, 08:58 PM
[QUOTE=newtoboard;11723]I don't know but it appears likely as most West Asian K is K1a rather than K1b and K1c which appear to be more European.[/QUOTE

If Otzie was K1 and considered Mediterranean then I could see K1a arising from something similar. Dated to 3300 BC and "that Ötzi's birthplace was in an area near the present day Italian village of Feldthurns (10/31/03).

An article entitled "Iceman's Origins and Wanderings," published in Science, presents the results of a scientific study in which the minerals found in Ötzi's teeth, bones, and intestines were compared to those found in soil and water samples taken from a wide area of the Tyrolean Alps."

http://www.mummytombs.com/otzi/identity.htm


So, isotopic testing proved Otzi he was raised in the area.. K1 is more Mediterranean but he was born in what we call Northern Italy...If K1a is a subclade under K1 then your guess is as good as mine.


My maternal ancestors as far as I was told by my mother was that they were in Abruzzo, Italy for a few generations prior to moving to Rome not far away however she tells me that my ggggrandparents came from Spain, one from Castille and the other from Barcelona so far from one another.. I need to speak to other family members which I just haven't had the time to do to confirm these stories and get more info.. I have tons of Vona cousins on this side who all reside in Rome and other parts of Italy..

Maybe our female ancestress was visiting Spain then came back to Italy... It's too bad females changed their names, so hard to track them..
We just don't have a clear understanding and Italy is hugely under sampled in comparison to other Countries as I have seen time and time again in numerous studies so we are never really getting anything conclusive.

Diana
08-17-2013, 09:06 PM
These most ancient samples from the Middle East are uncertain:

Pre-pottery Neolithic B Syria Tell Halula [H3, H4, H45]
6800-6000 BC

H or K 2 complete HVRI samples 16224C and one i

Pre-pottery Neolithic B Syria Tell Halula [H7, H36]
6800-6000 BC

K? 2 samples 16311C, one incomplete H

These samples seem hg. K:
Pre-pottery Neolithic B Syria Tell Ramad [T65-14]
6000-5750 BC

K 16224C, 16311C Fernández 2005
Pre-pottery Neolithic B Syria Tell Ramad [R65-C8-SEB, T65-1S]
6000-5750 BC

K 2 samples 16224C, 16311C, 16366T

The remains were dated to about, 6000 BC but Wikipedia estimates the age at "22,700 to 40,400 YBP"? Where was it then? U8b/K, the ancestor of K is largely diffused in Italy. Why would that be? Anyway, the presence in Europe is extensive, also in places not involved in the early diffusion of agriculture:
Cardial Spain Can Sadurnı [CSA152223] 5475–5305 BC K 16224C, 16311C, 10550G

Cardial Spain Chaves [1CH0102] 5329–4999 BC K 16224C, 16311C, 10550G

LBK Germany Flomborn [FLO5 and FLO6]
5000 BC ?

K 2 samples Haak 2005
LBK Germany Unterwiederstedt [UWS2]
5000 BC ?

K
Haak 2005
LBK Germany Unterwiederstedt [UWS3]
5000 BC ?

K T16224C, T16311A

LBK Czech Republic Vedrovice, Moravia [22/75, 72/79 and 91/80] F 5300 BC K 3 examples

LBK Germany Derenburg Meerenstieg II [DEB2] F 5000 BC ?

K 16224C, 16311C

LBK Germany Derenburg Meerenstieg II [DEB10] M 5000 BC ?

K 16093C, 16224C, 16311C

LBK Germany Derenburg Meerenstieg II [DEB38] M 5000 BC ? F* (G,H,I,J,K) M89 K 16093C, 16224C, 16311C

Very late other samples from Middle East:

Amorite? Syria Terqa (Tell Ashara), Middle Euphrates Valley [TQ 28 F250] F 2650–2450 BC

K 16224C, 16311C

J Man
08-17-2013, 09:54 PM
As Solo's thread asks, "any idea where K1a originated", I was shooting out some guesses and NOT evidence as you have suggested, we don't know, it's like a lot of other ideas that get tossed about on this forum, we are just speculating so don't hold me to it! hahaha! Okay well I am going with Minoan then!

I may as well throw Babylon out there! Or Sparta.

I don't see a problem either with K1a having originated in Italy and then moving Eastward but you sound like you have a pretty good explanation already mapped out for us. By all means, elaborate. I get all confused with time eras and such. So where do you think K1a may have originated? :-)

I think that K1a most likely originated in the Near East or West Asia as no K seems to show up among the ancient DNA results until the Neolithic.

Diana
08-17-2013, 11:24 PM
There is one K showing up in the Pitted Ware culture is classified under Paleolithic here, (Sweden)http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/European_genes_table_by_location.htm and under mesolithic here, http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/ancientdna.shtml

Out of 19 remains tested there happened to be one K among them..
I think that K1a most likely originated in the Near East or West Asia as no K seems to show up among the ancient DNA results until the Neolithic.


Of course plenty of U's showing up in the Paglicci Cave located in Italy, ancestors of our K.

"Haplogroup U8[edit source | editbeta]
U8a: The Basques have the most ancestral phylogeny in Europe for the mitochondrial haplogroup U8a, a rare subgroup of U8, placing the Basque origin of this lineage in the Upper Palaeolithic. The lack of U8a lineages in Africa suggests that their ancestors may have originated from West Asia.[5]
U8b: This clade has been found in Italy and Jordan.[5]
Haplogroup K[edit source | editbeta]
Haplogroup K makes up a sizeable fraction of European and West Asian mtDNA lineages. It is now known it is actually a subclade of haplogroup U8b'K,[5] and is believed to have first arisen in northeastern Italy. Haplogroup UK shows some evidence of being highly protective against AIDS progression"

AJL
08-19-2013, 05:34 PM
Soares (2010) has K originating in the Near East, but does not go on to provide origin points for any subdivisions of K such as K1.

Bill Hurst's excellent K Project has several instances of K1a samples from Lebanon, Turkey (Armenians), Greece, Italy, and northern Europe.

The K1a samples in Italy appear to predate the LGM per Boattini (2013), with a TMRCA of ~16K ybp.

I'm not a K expert, so let's take all this at face value. Given the likely rise of K in West Asia and the extremely low database proportion of all mtDNA from the Levant, and the presence of U8b in Jordanians and K1a in Lebanese, it seems parsimonious to posit that K1a arose in or near the Levant and travelled to Italy via Greece before the LGM, and spread from Italy to Germany and France after the LGM.

J Man
08-19-2013, 09:07 PM
There is one K showing up in the Pitted Ware culture is classified under Paleolithic here, (Sweden)http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/European_genes_table_by_location.htm and under mesolithic here, http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/ancientdna.shtml

Out of 19 remains tested there happened to be one K among them..


Of course plenty of U's showing up in the Paglicci Cave located in Italy, ancestors of our K.

"Haplogroup U8[edit source | editbeta]
U8a: The Basques have the most ancestral phylogeny in Europe for the mitochondrial haplogroup U8a, a rare subgroup of U8, placing the Basque origin of this lineage in the Upper Palaeolithic. The lack of U8a lineages in Africa suggests that their ancestors may have originated from West Asia.[5]
U8b: This clade has been found in Italy and Jordan.[5]
Haplogroup K[edit source | editbeta]
Haplogroup K makes up a sizeable fraction of European and West Asian mtDNA lineages. It is now known it is actually a subclade of haplogroup U8b'K,[5] and is believed to have first arisen in northeastern Italy. Haplogroup UK shows some evidence of being highly protective against AIDS progression"


That K sample found in the Pitted Ware Culture samples most likely comes from admixture with TRB Neolithic farmers.

Diana
08-19-2013, 09:13 PM
Hello,

What is TRB? Thank you I was just wanting to note that there was indeed a K found... Is not really a K because of that TRB admixture?
That K sample found in the Pitted Ware Culture samples most likely comes from admixture with TRB Neolithic farmers.

J Man
08-19-2013, 09:26 PM
Hello,

What is TRB? Thank you I was just wanting to note that there was indeed a K found... Is not really a K because of that TRB admixture?

The TRB or Funnelbeaker culture is an early Neolithic culture of Northern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funnelbeaker_culture

No that sample probably still is a K but is was acquired by the Pitted Ware Culture people by mixing with Neolithic farmers. That is it probably was not present among Mesolithic Northern Europeans originally.

Diana
08-20-2013, 03:32 PM
My family were avid Hunters! My father can kill anything with a Bow! One time he jumped from a tree a killed a deer with his bare hands, broke it's neck like Rambo. He still has the scars in his rib cage from the antlers!


^A very distant relative to haplogroup U as well. Much different histories though. You are descended from ancient farming lasses of Europe while I am descended from ancient hunting and gathering lasses of Europe. :)

Diana
08-20-2013, 04:46 PM
Sorry, just realized how morbid that sounds... Although my father enjoys the Sport of hunting he does it also for food. He is a Master Chef and enjoys cooking..

:-)

J Man
08-20-2013, 07:07 PM
My family were avid Hunters! My father can kill anything with a Bow! One time he jumped from a tree a killed a deer with his bare hands, broke it's neck like Rambo. He still has the scars in his rib cage from the antlers!

Both of my grandfather's were avid hunters and so am I! :)...With his bare hands eh lol? :P

Diana
08-20-2013, 08:30 PM
Both of my grandfather's were avid hunters and so am I! :)...With his bare hands eh lol? :P


Nice! Yes, true story. Him and a friend decided to test their skills. Apparently they were hiding in the trees and when my father saw a buck worthy for the taking he plunged out of the tree onto the deer to grab it by the antlers, not sure what he was thinking really but he did it, not before the buck got him in the rib cage though!

Diana
10-14-2013, 11:56 PM
Confirmed K1a2 now.

Grossvater
10-15-2013, 03:42 AM
Confirmed K1a2 now.

How did you find out? I'm interested because, like you, my father was U152 and my mother K1a according to 23andMe. I haven't tested beyond that although I hope to in the future. 23andMe also told me that I have a small portion of "southern European" autosomal DNA, whatever that means. "Viva l'Italia!"

Diana
10-15-2013, 04:24 AM
Solo's participant was K1a also..

I tested with Family Tree DNA initially and then upgraded to the full mito test. Gioiello contributed to my upgrade. I also joined the K project and William Hurt, the administrator informed me as soon as my results were in with a nice assessment, tools and links to what I should be doing next. I have been lucky with both U152 and K admins who have helped me along the way in my genetic venture!
Have you tested your deep clade? What subclade of U152 are you?
Nice to meet you!

How did you find out? I'm interested because, like you, my father was U152 and my mother K1a according to 23andMe. I haven't tested beyond that although I hope to in the future. 23andMe also told me that I have a small portion of "southern European" autosomal DNA, whatever that means. "Viva l'Italia!"

Grossvater
10-16-2013, 04:03 AM
Solo's participant was K1a also..

I tested with Family Tree DNA initially and then upgraded to the full mito test. Gioiello contributed to my upgrade. I also joined the K project and William Hurt, the administrator informed me as soon as my results were in with a nice assessment, tools and links to what I should be doing next. I have been lucky with both U152 and K admins who have helped me along the way in my genetic venture!
Have you tested your deep clade? What subclade of U152 are you?
Nice to meet you!

I haven't tested beyond what I shared with you. I need to test with FTDNA and get it sorted out. All it takes is pictures of dead presidents which are a bit scarce at the moment.

Solothurn
10-16-2013, 11:09 AM
A few K1a plus T195C that are on GenBank are from Italy.

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/k1a_genbank_sequences.htm

I haven't checked the origins above the posted 22 though :)

Grossvater have you run your results through James Lick's utility?

http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

dp
08-18-2014, 08:58 PM
My family were avid Hunters! My father can kill anything with a Bow! One time he jumped from a tree a killed a deer with his bare hands, broke it's neck like Rambo. He still has the scars in his rib cage from the antlers!
Well, I'm a K1a4a1c. I don't know about the hunter-gatherer vs. farmer posts from earlier, but I did step on a deer one time when walking over some land that the lumber was been logged off of. I fell backwards, wondering were my footing had gone :-)
PS: It was not hunting season.
PPS: I found a sleeping fawn one time when I was walking by a river. I thought it might be dead since some flies were buzzing around it's nose. I reached down and nudged it's back. It leapt up, calling for momma, and running away. I thought I should leave in case momma wanted some of me for playing with baby.

vettor
08-18-2014, 11:23 PM
Thank you!!! :-) So thrilled to be finding my family origins!

gioiello also stated this

SAP001 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP003 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP004 16224 16311 73 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP005 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP006 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP008 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP010 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP013 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP014 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP015 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP017 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP019 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP022 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP024 16224 16311 73 189 200 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP025 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP029 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP030 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP031 16244 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP032 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP037 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP042 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP043 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP044 16224 16311 73 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP048 16224 16311 73 146 152 257 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP055 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1
SAP056 16224 16311 73 146 195 263 4769G 7028T 10398G 12308G 14766T K1

We cannot know the K subclades of these samples, being tested only for HVRI and HVRII (and neither all: 16033-16365, 73-340) and a few Coding Region SNPs, and lacking 497 we don't know either if they are K1a.
But 26 samples out of 60 is 43,3%, I'd say a very high percentage.

All from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sappada