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firemonkey
09-27-2017, 06:00 PM
Has anyone had any close matches ? I have `110 distant matches but no close ones

MacUalraig
09-27-2017, 06:10 PM
Has anyone had any close matches ? I have `110 distant matches but no close ones

Yes one at 0.082 who is also my closest SNP match too. But after that they're a jumble ie out of SNP branch order.

09-27-2017, 06:10 PM
Once I get my Big Y results, I’ll get my Bam and upload to Y Full, and we shall see.

gotten
09-27-2017, 06:58 PM
For a bit of reference, I have a match at a Yfull distance of 0.105 (40 differences divided by 381 compared STRs) which is not in the recent but in distant matches, and has an age estimate of 900 YBP (95% confidence interval of 500-1550 BYP).

Combined with MacUalraig's match at ~0.08 I think the cutoff for recent/distant is at 0.1. So I think matches around 0.1 will be near impossible to find in archives but it is still a reasonable cutoff.

Another kit has a distance of 0.026 (11 out of 426) and a real common ancestor that was born in 1766.

The 0.105 match was a lucky match in the FTDNA database, the 0.026 match was invited by me based on the paper trail.

firemonkey
09-27-2017, 07:06 PM
My best match is a distance of 0.173.

MacUalraig
09-27-2017, 07:10 PM
For a bit of reference, I have a match at a Yfull distance of 0.105 (40 differences divided by 381 compared STRs) which is not in the recent but in distant matches, and has an age estimate of 900 YBP (95% confidence interval of 500-1550 BYP).

Combined with MacUalraig's match at ~0.08 I think the cutoff for recent/distant is at 0.1. So I think matches around 0.1 will be near impossible to find in archives but it is still a reasonable cutoff.

Another kit has a distance of 0.026 (11 out of 426) and a real common ancestor that was born in 1766.

The 0.105 match was a lucky match in the FTDNA database, the 0.026 match was invited by me based on the paper trail.

Yes its 0.1 cutoff.

Amerijoe
09-27-2017, 07:48 PM
This is the one that brought me back to GB. Prior matches were concentrated in Russia, the Stans, the Middle East and a scattering of Europe.

Compared STRs. 280. Diff. 16. Dist. 0.057 England R-YP6291. TMRCA 600 yrs.

JMcB
09-27-2017, 08:16 PM
My closest match is 0.12 which, if I'm using their conversion formula correctly, is equivalent to an 8 step match @ 67 markers or 13 step match @ 111 markers. According to FTDNA, I'm actually a 5 step match @ 67 markers with the person in question but YFull is comparing our STRs out to 250 markers.

At any rate, it looks like our TMRCA is circa 1350 AD. Which pretty much agrees with the software my Z140 Administrator is using.

Osiris
09-27-2017, 08:55 PM
My dad's brother (I paid for the test)
Compared STRs Differences Distance
386 5 0.013

About a 7th cousin, we're not sure (I paid for the test)
403 19 0.047

The next closest is ... There are 500 matches who don't have a common ancestor in the last 4000 years.
298 45 0.151

MitchellSince1893
09-27-2017, 09:24 PM
Got a .085 (260 markers, 22 different) and a .087 (263 markers, 23 different) with my dad's FGC Y Elite 2.1
Got a .089 (259 markers, 23 different) and a .099 (342 markers, 34 different) with my dad's BigY

Robert1
09-27-2017, 10:15 PM
I have two, the closest one is a BigY 0 difference Known SNPs match and 102/111 STR match at FTDNA, and a common ancestor match to Kenneth MacIver, Isle of Skye, 1697-1750

My other two BigY 0 difference Known SNPs matches/FTDNA STR matches didn't submit to YFULL. The other match below isn't a BigY test, it's Full Genomes instead and so far I can't make anything out of it.

Compared STRs .. Differences ...... Distance ......Terminal Hg
322 ........................ 13 ............... 0.04 ......... R-BY11186 Scotland
319 ........................ 30 ............... 0.094 ....... R-S7834

firemonkey
09-28-2017, 02:13 PM
With distant matches are we talking about really ancient ancestry? I notice with places of origin there are Bulgaria 6 Albania 3. My haplogroup according to Yfull E-Z16664 . E-V13-E-L17-E-Z16664

MacUalraig
09-28-2017, 02:30 PM
I have two, the closest one is a BigY 0 difference Known SNPs match and 102/111 STR match at FTDNA, and a common ancestor match to Kenneth MacIver, Isle of Skye, 1697-1750

My other two BigY 0 difference Known SNPs matches/FTDNA STR matches didn't submit to YFULL. The other match below isn't a BigY test, it's Full Genomes instead and so far I can't make anything out of it.

Compared STRs .. Differences ...... Distance ......Terminal Hg
322 ........................ 13 ............... 0.04 ......... R-BY11186 Scotland
319 ........................ 30 ............... 0.094 ....... R-S7834

Those seem in accordance with their latest SNP tree which is reassuring. What do you mean by 'I can't make anything out of it'? He is your second closest match by both SNPs and STRs. Have you made contact with him? Cos the rest is up to you ;-)

MacUalraig
09-28-2017, 02:32 PM
With distant matches are we talking about really ancient ancestry? I notice with places of origin there are Bulgaria 6 Albania 3. My haplogroup according to Yfull E-Z16664 . E-V13-E-L17-E-Z16664

If you look at your SNP match list they should all be dated by TMRCA. But in general I would say both the SNP and STR match lists go way further back than 'genealogical' timeframes.

leonardo
09-28-2017, 02:46 PM
It depends on what one considers close. My closest is 700 years to a Common ancestor. Given that my haplotype is not as tested as many, I feel good about this. Coincidentally, the last known ancestor for this match is, maybe, 50 km from where my last known ancestor appears to have originated. That is assuring.

Robert1
09-28-2017, 03:12 PM
Those seem in accordance with their latest SNP tree which is reassuring. What do you mean by 'I can't make anything out of it'? He is your second closest match by both SNPs and STRs. Have you made contact with him? Cos the rest is up to you ;-)

Thanks, MacUalraig. I have made contact with him and that was a poor choice of words. It seems to be a MacKenzie/MacIver connection further back than I can trace at this time on my Y line. He's R-S7834, I'm R-S7834 > S7828 > BY11203 > BY11186. Our TMRCA = 1250 (1850<->700). Also at FTDNA I have a lot of MacKenzie matches at 37 and 67 markers which back up the assumption.

I haven't given up but have so many holes in my little boat to patch since I just started my family tree and extensive DNA testing in January! :-)

Amerijoe
09-28-2017, 03:26 PM
Have an update since my last post. Taking the lead by a nose is an Irishman with the Englishman a close second. Was contacted the family’s administrator, relationship beyond present day family documentation.

YElite results:
19040

BigY results:
19041

firemonkey
09-28-2017, 03:41 PM
If you look at your SNP match list they should all be dated by TMRCA. But in general I would say both the SNP and STR match lists go way further back than 'genealogical' timeframes.

Clicked on SNP matches- "No matches found at this moment".

MacUalraig
09-28-2017, 03:47 PM
Clicked on SNP matches- "No matches found at this moment".

Doesn't sound right unless you are seriously marooned on the Y tree... have you queried that?

firemonkey
09-28-2017, 04:29 PM
Doesn't sound right unless you are seriously marooned on the Y tree... have you queried that?

19042

19043

I'm E-Z16664

MacUalraig
09-28-2017, 05:02 PM
19042

19043

I'm E-Z16664

So... you are marooned! TMRCA for your branch is 3ky. My match list shows everyone inside M222 but that gives me over a hundred within the last 1800y.
You have a sub-branch with two samples in it (undated) and one of them is an academic sample who I think would be excluded from matching anyway. It may also have insufficient data to enable a TMRCA calc to be done on it. So (educated guess) that could all conspire to give you zero dated matches.

Afshar
09-28-2017, 07:22 PM
Not even a distant one

lgmayka
09-28-2017, 07:28 PM
So... you are marooned! TMRCA for your branch is 3ky.
I think that--perhaps for privacy reasons--YFull only shows SNP matches with a TMRCA of 2500 ybp or less.

Amerijoe
09-28-2017, 09:45 PM
I think that--perhaps for privacy reasons--YFull only shows SNP matches with a TMRCA of 2500 ybp or less.

I concur with lgmayka, I had a match at a TMRCA, 3700yrs. When they switched to max. of 2500yrs., that match disappeared, leaving me without any matches at a formation date of 3800yrs. Being proactive with the assistance from lgmayka, was able to bring my present close matches on board. This was done by checking matches with strs at 25 and 37.

MacUalraig
09-29-2017, 08:09 AM
I think that--perhaps for privacy reasons--YFull only shows SNP matches with a TMRCA of 2500 ybp or less.

I was wondering about what the limit was. I think they said it was 2ky for the STR match list on fb the other day.