PDA

View Full Version : Linking autosomal and mt DNA to R1b-U152 and its subclades



Diana
05-23-2013, 06:25 PM
"mtDNAPlus HVR1 517 7/8/2013
mtDNAPlus HVR2 517 7/8/2013
mtDNAPlus mtHaplo 517 7/8/2013"

So a few more months...:-) Am looking forward to finding out!


Diana

MTDNA Plus is now only $49 with HVR1+HVR2 as the standard!!

http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx

S.

Solothurn
06-03-2013, 03:52 PM
I look forward to seeing your results too. Mine (paternal grandmother) go in batch this week :)

A Facebook U152 member, Emory Villines also has Italian mtDNA with H71, from Frasso, Telesino, Caserta!!

I have recommended he come to this forum!




"mtDNAPlus HVR1 517 7/8/2013
mtDNAPlus HVR2 517 7/8/2013
mtDNAPlus mtHaplo 517 7/8/2013"

So a few more months...:-) Am looking forward to finding out!

Diana
06-27-2013, 05:28 PM
I am so impatient! Still waiting but I check my page daily! Seems Mtdna tests take longer? I just thought I would see results before my due date but I am just being a pain. Look forward to meeting Emory!


I look forward to seeing your results too. Mine (paternal grandmother) go in batch this week :)

A Facebook U152 member, Emory Villines also has Italian mtDNA with H71, from Frasso, Telesino, Caserta!!

I have recommended he come to this forum!

Diana
07-04-2013, 04:11 AM
My results are in, I am haplogroup K. I know nothing about this. I was expecting H or U...???

Rathna
07-04-2013, 04:49 AM
My results are in, I am haplogroup K. I know nothing about this. I was expecting H or U...???

K is my haplogroup: K1a1b1e. In these days I am receiving from FTDNA many matches in my HVRI and II, probably one is yours. I don't know if by your maternal line you are Italian or not, anyway I didn't look at it, because from HVRI and II without the coding region we understand a little about the haplogroup.

My mutations are: 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 263G 309.1C 315.1C 497T, but now they use RSRS...

Rathna
07-04-2013, 05:02 AM
K is my haplogroup: K1a1b1e. In these days I am receiving from FTDNA many matches in my HVRI and II, probably one is yours. I don't know if by your maternal line you are Italian or not, anyway I didn't look at it, because from HVRI and II without the coding region we understand a little about the haplogroup.

My mutations are: 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 263G 309.1C 315.1C 497T, but now they use RSRS...

In fact you are my last match in HVRII, then you differ in HVRI.
But you should have indicated your most distant female ancestor and not a male, because our mt derives always from a female:

Guiseppe Comito Roma, Italia

and, please, that these English speakings do write "Giuseppe" and not "Guiseppe"!

Rathna
07-04-2013, 05:05 AM
Perhaps if you communicate to me in what you differ from me in HVRI, I may understand your subclade without the coding region.

Diana
07-04-2013, 05:12 AM
Hellloo!!! I don't understand the mtdna its so different. My mothers surname is Vona. I will message you privatly.

Rathna
07-04-2013, 05:32 AM
Hellloo!!! I don't understand the mtdna its so different. My mothers surname is Vona. I will message you privatly.

These are the mutations as to RSRS and not as to rCRS. You can see in what you differ from me in HVRI:
A16129G
T16187C
C16189T
T16223C
T16224C
G16230A
T16278C

C146T
C152T
C195T
A247G
309.1C
315.1C
C497T
522.1A
522.2C

Diana
07-04-2013, 05:38 AM
So this is a big difference then. Honestly it's all new to me! Please explain. Where do we come from?

Thank you :-)

Rathna
07-04-2013, 06:35 AM
So this is a big difference then. Honestly it's all new to me! Please explain. Where do we come from?

Thank you :-)



Of course the indications of FTDNA were wrong. You match me in HVRI and not in HVRII. You have two mutations I haven't: 146C and 153G in HVRII.
You ask me where was our origin. Where do you think I think it is? But in Italy, of course. About my K1a1b1e I think having demonstrated from so long. You could be K1a4a1a2b or K1a13 for 146C!, but nobody has 153G, then the coding region could be very interesting.

These people are the closest to you, but no one has your mutation in 153G.
User ID HVR1 Mutations HVR2 Mutations
8GD66 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
45DBD 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
6S7XG 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
9NV36 224C, 245T, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
DX6GG 224C, 298C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
p9v95 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
PWV66 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
RJSJH 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
RW94J 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
U2M7F 224C, 245T, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
UCX5B 224C, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T
UW48R 224C, 245T, 311C, 519C 073G, 146C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, 497T

Rathna
07-04-2013, 07:40 AM
HQ637410 FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a] 07-DEC-2010
A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T408A C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C

This is a K1a21 with A153G, but you lack the mutations T408A in HVRII and have 146C!, whereas in HVRI you lack T16093C, but perhaps your sublcade has born in heteroplasmy with this and is probably a new subclade. For this of course you should do an upgrade to the FGS.

Of course your haplotype could be one of the most ancient of the Italian Refugium, which gave origin to the migration Northwards till Finland after the Younger Dryas.

Rathna
07-04-2013, 09:02 AM
HQ637410 FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a] 07-DEC-2010
A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T408A C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C

This is a K1a21 with A153G, but you lack the mutations T408A in HVRII and have 146C!, whereas in HVRI you lack T16093C, but perhaps your sublcade has born in heteroplasmy with this and is probably a new subclade. For this of course you should do an upgrade to the FGS.

Of course your haplotype could be one of the most ancient of the Italian Refugium, which gave origin to the migration Northwards till Finland after the Younger Dryas.

Till Finland and perhaps till the Caucasus!

This sample comes from USA, we don't know which ethnicity:
HQ637410 FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a] 07-DEC-2010 /note="origin_locality:USA"/
A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T408A C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C

and this from Caucasus:
JQ706059 Behar Haplogroup [K1a] 07-APR-2012 /clone="Georgia30"/
A73G A153G A263G T408C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G 3105.1N A3480G T4083C A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C

If they were subclades of yours for A153G, I could demonstrate that hg. K reached the Caucasus beyond Northern and Western Europe from the Italian Refugium and not the other way around. But for demonstrating this I need your Coding Region to see if there are at least some mutations of this hg. K1a21:

T6407C T9428C T11017C

I donated 50$ to test Mangino or Marchesi, which could they too demonstrate my theories, but in vain. I ask you to test your Coding Region upgrading from HVRI and II with less expense now and I donate to you my 50$. If you agree, you may ask Richard Rocca to transfer my donation from the Y to the mt. I think you already are part of the Italy FTDNA Project.

Thanks.

Diana
07-04-2013, 06:11 PM
Thanks so much!

Is the test I need to take the one that is roughly $159? I am without a computer at the moment and working off my phone for the next few days..

Rathna
07-04-2013, 07:27 PM
Thank so much!

Is the test I need to take the one that is roughly $159? I am without a computer at the moment and working off my phone for the next few days..

We paid for the FGS, if I remember well, pretty 300$. Using my 50$ you'll paid the half (HVRI and II already done and the upgrade to FGS). I think you may be glad... and above all you'll contribute to the science, and to Italy too. Even though my hypothesis will be disproved, you probably will make us find a new subclade of hg. K. And it isn''t a little.

Diana
07-05-2013, 12:16 AM
We paid for the FGS, if I remember well, pretty 300$. Using my 50$ you'll paid the half (HVRI and II already done and the upgrade to FGS). I think you may be glad... and above all you'll contribute to the science, and to Italy too. Even though my hypothesis will be disproved, you probably will make us find a new subclade of hg. K. And it isn''t a little.

Is the test called FGS? I can't find it. Or is it called, mtHVR2tomega? For Italy, I would give my heart! If it helps Science well, that's the parmigiano on my Spaghetti! ;-)

Thanks.

Rathna
07-05-2013, 02:22 AM
Is the test called FGS? I can't find it. Or is it called, mtHVR2tomega? For Italy, I would give my heart! If it helps Science well, that's the parmigiano on my Spaghetti! ;-)

Thanks.
I don't know how they call it now, but having you done HVRI and II the unique possibility to upgrade your mtDNA test is the Full Genome Sequence. Probably they could call it mtHVR1 and 2 mega etc.

Diana
08-10-2013, 12:40 AM
What happened? Why are you banned now from this forum? If you can see this post still please add me on fb, [email protected]



Till Finland and perhaps till the Caucasus!

This sample comes from USA, we don't know which ethnicity:
HQ637410 FTDNA Haplogroup [K1a] 07-DEC-2010 /note="origin_locality:USA"/
A73G A153G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T408A C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C

and this from Caucasus:
JQ706059 Behar Haplogroup [K1a] 07-APR-2012 /clone="Georgia30"/
A73G A153G A263G T408C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G 3105.1N A3480G T4083C A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11017C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C

If they were subclades of yours for A153G, I could demonstrate that hg. K reached the Caucasus beyond Northern and Western Europe from the Italian Refugium and not the other way around. But for demonstrating this I need your Coding Region to see if there are at least some mutations of this hg. K1a21:

T6407C T9428C T11017C

I donated 50$ to test Mangino or Marchesi, which could they too demonstrate my theories, but in vain. I ask you to test your Coding Region upgrading from HVRI and II with less expense now and I donate to you my 50$. If you agree, you may ask Richard Rocca to transfer my donation from the Y to the mt. I think you already are part of the Italy FTDNA Project.

Thanks.

Solothurn
08-10-2013, 10:37 PM
Results in for my cousin (paternal grandmother)!

K for me too and like you was expecting H or U :)

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS

A16129G
T16187C
C16189T
T16223C
T16224C
G16230A
T16278C

HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS

C146T
C152T
A247G
315.1C
C497T
522.1A
522.2C
522.3A
522.4C








My results are in, I am haplogroup K. I know nothing about this. I was expecting H or U...???

Diana
08-11-2013, 05:59 PM
Nice Solo,

I have to admit that I don't understand how the MTDNA works, Y-DNA seems less complicated..... Welcome to the family :-)

Results in for my cousin (paternal grandmother)!

K for me too and like you was expecting H or U :)

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS

A16129G
T16187C
C16189T
T16223C
T16224C
G16230A
T16278C

HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS

C146T
C152T
A247G
315.1C
C497T
522.1A
522.2C
522.3A
522.4C

Solothurn
08-12-2013, 02:17 PM
Thanks Diana

I will probably save up for the FMS upgrade :)


Nice Solo,

I have to admit that I don't understand how the MTDNA works, Y-DNA seems less complicated..... Welcome to the family :-)

Claxon
08-12-2013, 05:06 PM
Thanks Diana

I will probably save up for the FMS upgrade :)

Brian
Have you thought about doing Britains DNA ? It is the old EthnoAncestry.
On the surface, it looks like they are slicing us up into percentages of British populations, but when I READ the material, it would apparently only pinpoint, for example, where u152 persons are located in Britain. Already done by others.

I asked for my Ethnoancestry allelle numbers ( slightly different from FtDNA) but they didn't have them anymore.... but they did have my "suitable for framing" paleo european certificate.

I asked if I could upload my 23 and Me / FtDNA/ Nat Geno numbers to see their admixture... they no longer do this, even for a price.
So, at a cost of @ $350, I think they have missed the boat. I told them I thought most people interested in DNA have already done this, and many of us are just Burned Out by all this.

I would be interested in any input from anyone on this... I think it is the same old thing.... I do not think the British Tribal inferrence is accurate.

TigerMW
08-12-2013, 05:18 PM
There seems to be a lot of interest on autosomal and mt DNA as it relates to U152 so I'm creating a thread just for this discussion.

Diana
08-13-2013, 01:32 AM
There seems to be a lot of interest on autosomal and mt DNA as it relates to U152 so I'm creating a thread just for this discussion.

That would be great!! Thank you!! :-)

Solothurn
08-13-2013, 01:31 PM
No, I haven't Rich I am a bit 'Burned out by all this.' especially funds at the nmoment :)

I am awaiting an operation, so not been that busy work wise :(.

On a separate note I am meeting cousins 1R etc soon that I have never met (due to adoption) and confirmed by DNA :)





Brian
Have you thought about doing Britains DNA ? It is the old EthnoAncestry.

Claxon
08-13-2013, 07:36 PM
No, I haven't Rich I am a bit 'Burned out by all this.' especially funds at the nmoment :)

I am awaiting an operation, so not been that busy work wise :(.

On a separate note I am meeting cousins 1R etc soon that I have never met (due to adoption) and confirmed by DNA :)

Well, hope the operation goes well..... nice about the cousin !
Rc

Solothurn
08-18-2013, 04:23 AM
Thanks Rich and Diana :)

Solothurn
08-26-2013, 01:03 PM
I have now ordered the K mtDNA FMS upgrade :)

BTW both myself and my K cousin are 4.56% Middle East in FTDNA's PF. K or coincidence?



On a different note:

In Geno my autosomal 'WHO AM I? the results are not mine until I open the analysis. Is it just a random example? Strange though that the Y and mtDNA are my groups and not examples. :confused:

Anybody else noticed this?

mafe
08-27-2013, 09:35 AM
On a different note:

In Geno my autosomal 'WHO AM I? the results are not mine until I open the analysis. Is it just a random example? Strange though that the Y and mtDNA are my groups and not examples. :confused:

Anybody else noticed this?

It's a random sample

Solothurn
08-27-2013, 05:47 PM
Thanks mafe. I thought there was a glitch and I was made up of more than my three standard populations :(

I thought they would have more populations than they do, as in the Dodecad or Eurogenes analyses!


It's a random sample

Solothurn
09-05-2013, 10:00 AM
Thanks Rich

I have contacted BritainsDNA and posted on the R1b U-152 Updates/News thread


Brian
Have you thought about doing Britains DNA ? It is the old EthnoAncestry.

Diana
09-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Just upgraded, will follow up in a few weeks.

Solothurn
09-22-2013, 09:49 PM
Great stuff :)

Our K upgrade came in: K1a-195C!

Rathna
10-10-2013, 08:21 AM
Just upgraded, will follow up in a few weeks.

Perhaps good news for my hypothesis. In the last paper of Costa et al. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/pdf/ncomms3543.pdf
there is a line to K1a21 with the mutations 153 408a 6407 9428 11017 to a sample found in America/Canada/Australia but also an European sample with the mutation 4069 and a back mutation in 408, then your 408T and not 408a (but perhaps it is a little believable a back mutation of a transversion, I think better to a heteroplasmy). You could belong to this haplotype, if your FSM will demonstrate the other mutations.

Solothurn
10-11-2013, 12:39 PM
I thought this may be of interest :)

Ancient DNA Reveals Key Stages in the Formation of Central European Mitochondrial Genetic Diversity

http://press.nationalgeographic.com/2013/10/10/ancient-dna-stages-settlement-europe/

Diana
10-14-2013, 09:33 PM
I am confirmed K1a2 :-) William Hurst wrote me and he said, "You have three additional or private coding-region mutations: 4677T, 4913G and 6305C. All three of these are rare, with no examples in K and only one or two, if that, in other haplogroups. That's why you have no FMS matches, even at the three-step level."

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS
16224C 16311C 16519C
HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS
73G 146C 153G 263G 309.1C 315.1C 497T
CODING REGION DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS
750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4677T 4769G 4913G 6305C 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11025C 11299C 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 14167T 14766T 14798C 15326G

Solothurn
10-15-2013, 03:45 PM
That is great Diana

Will you submit to GenBank?

If so, Ian Logan can help. He has a DIY submission utility or one can do it via him :)


I am confirmed K1a2 :-) William Hurst wrote me and he said, "You have three additional or private coding-region mutations: 4677T, 4913G and 6305C. All three of these are rare, with no examples in K and only one or two, if that, in other haplogroups. That's why you have no FMS matches, even at the three-step level."

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS
16224C 16311C 16519C
HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS
73G 146C 153G 263G 309.1C 315.1C 497T
CODING REGION DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS
750G 1189C 1438G 1811G 2706G 3480G 4677T 4769G 4913G 6305C 7028T 8860G 9055A 9698C 10398G 10550G 11025C 11299C 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 14167T 14766T 14798C 15326G

Diana
10-15-2013, 04:49 PM
Hi!
I haven't yet but I will! Thank you. It has been amazing for me to find our origins!

That is great Diana

Will you submit to GenBank?

If so, Ian Logan can help. He has a DIY submission utility or one can do it via him :)

Solothurn
11-23-2013, 06:44 PM
Hi Diana :)

A K1a2 from Iran came in on GenBank!

KC911410(Iran) Derenko Haplogroup K1a2 20-NOV-2013
A73G T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G
A2706G A3480G T4254C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G
T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A13539G C14167T C14766T
T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C C16264T T16311C T16519C

I don't know how close this is to your results though!





Hi!
I haven't yet but I will! Thank you. It has been amazing for me to find our origins!

Diana
11-23-2013, 06:57 PM
Hi Solo,

Thank you!! All those numbers confuse me, I don't know if it is a match to me. Iran hey, they must have come from Italy, ;-) haha!

Diana
11-24-2013, 08:52 PM
Whoever is running mtdna community, http://www.mtdnacommunity.org/ I am really quite dissapointed that nobody has yet to reply to me regarding why my account has been locked for the past month. I have written, twice. I have contacted FTDNA and they have written also and I am still locked out and can't access my account.

Really a joke that I can't get some help or even an answer as to why????? Makes me wonder what I am contributing to.

Rathna
11-25-2013, 01:51 AM
Hi Solo,

Thank you!! All those numbers confuse me, I don't know if it is a match to me. Iran hey, they must have come from Italy, ;-) haha!

KC911410(Iran) Derenko Haplogroup K1a2 20-NOV-2013
A73G T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T4254C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A13539G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C C16264T T16311C T16519C

We did already know a sample of R1a2 from Armenia:

JN647926(Armenian) FTDNA K1a2 12-SEP-2011
A73G T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A C14167T T14530C C14766T T14798C G15024A A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

and probably this last Iranian one is linked to that. The authors of the paper don't pay any attention to this sample, being isolate in Iran and certainly not born there like probably other haplogroups.

This is Diana's R1a2:
A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

Diana has in common with the Armenian sample the back mutation in T146C, which could be a link between them, not present in the Iranian sample, but they have the following independent mutations:

Armenian sample: T146C G11914A T14530C G15024A
Iranian sample: T152C T4254C A13539G T16093C C16264T
Diana's sample: T146C A153G C4677T A4913G G6305c

We can see from these mutations that these haplotypes are separated from many thousands of years. We'll be able in the future to understand, if the mutation T146C links the Italian sample to the Armenian one, where the origin was, in the Caucasus or in the Alps. It is the same problem I am investigating about Y hg. R, and probably the answer will be linked. Anyway we are at more than 10,000 years ago.

Diana
11-26-2013, 07:10 PM
KC911410(Iran) Derenko Haplogroup K1a2 20-NOV-2013
A73G T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T4254C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A13539G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C C16264T T16311C T16519C

We did already know a sample of R1a2 from Armenia:

JN647926(Armenian) FTDNA K1a2 12-SEP-2011
A73G T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A C14167T T14530C C14766T T14798C G15024A A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

and probably this last Iranian one is linked to that. The authors of the paper don't pay any attention to this sample, being isolate in Iran and certainly not born there like probably other haplogroups.

This is Diana's R1a2:
A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

Diana has in common with the Armenian sample the back mutation in T146C, which could be a link between them, not present in the Iranian sample, but they have the following independent mutations:

Armenian sample: T146C G11914A T14530C G15024A
Iranian sample: T152C T4254C A13539G T16093C C16264T
Diana's sample: T146C A153G C4677T A4913G G6305c

We can see from these mutations that these haplotypes are separated from many thousands of years. We'll be able in the future to understand, if the mutation T146C links the Italian sample to the Armenian one, where the origin was, in the Caucasus or in the Alps. It is the same problem I am investigating about Y hg. R, and probably the answer will be linked. Anyway we are at more than 10,000 years ago.


Thank you so much Gioielo!!


A few times you wrote R1a2 but I understand what you have written.

Rathna
11-26-2013, 07:51 PM
Thank you so much Gioiello!!


A few time you wrote R1a2 but I understand what you have written.

I apologize and cannot correct my mistakes. What a pity! Anyway I think that my discourse is clear and important. Your test has been very useful.

Diana
11-26-2013, 10:18 PM
I apologize and cannot correct my mistakes. What a pity! Anyway I think that my discourse is clear and important. Your test has been very useful.

That is great! Useful how? Thank you

Rathna
11-27-2013, 03:19 AM
That is great! Useful how? Thank you

For what I have written:

"Diana has in common with the Armenian sample the back mutation in T146C, which could be a link between them, not present in the Iranian sample, but they have the following independent mutations:

Armenian sample: T146C G11914A T14530C G15024A
Iranian sample: T152C T4254C A13539G T16093C C16264T
Diana's sample: T146C A153G C4677T A4913G G6305c

We can see from these mutations that these haplotypes are separated from many thousands of years. We'll be able in the future to understand, if the mutation T146C links the Italian sample to the Armenian one, where the origin was, in the Caucasus or in the Alps. It is the same problem I am investigating about Y hg. R, and probably the answer will be linked. Anyway we are at more than 10,000 years ago".

Your haplotype is linked to others found in Western Europe, but there are also this Armenian one and now this Iranian one, not so diffused in Iran, thus we may think of Caucasian origin like the Armenian one, but from your mutations we know that your common ancestor lived more than 10,000 years ago, and, as we find the other K1a2 (and all the linked K) in Western Europe above all, we may presuppose that your ancestors lived in Western Europe and probably in Italy. This denies the theory that Italians came recently from Middle East (about this we are discussing in other threads), and I have linked this history to that of Y hg. R1b1, and your mtDNA is important for me for this. We'll see soon who will overcome about this.