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A Norfolk L-M20
10-10-2017, 10:56 PM
Someone had to do it. We've had What did your 3 great grandfathers do for a living (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5989-What-did-your-3-great-grandfathers-do-for-a-living). Let's try to step it up further if we can. We each have 32 biological great great great great grandfathers, unless genetic folding has kicked in early with recent cousin marriages. How many can you report? Ladies and gentlemen, Your great great great great grandfathers please.

Mine:


John Brooker. b.1788, Long Wittenham, Berkshire, England. Agricultural labourer.
Thomas Edney. b.1785 Whitchurch, Oxfordshire, England. Thatcher.
John Shawers (Shuarze?). b. circa 1800 Switzerland. Copper smith.
Benjamin Durran. b.1810 North Aston, Oxfordshire, England. Tailor.
John Bennett. Lived Norfolk, England. b.1788. Farmer.
Samuel Baxter. b.1787 Dereham, Norfolk, England. Brick layer.
Charles Barker. b.1795 Dereham, Norfolk, England. Shoe maker.
James Alderton Barber. b.1803 Swanton Morley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Raphael Smith. b.1775 Attleborough, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Robert Hewitt. b.1782 Attleborough, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
John Peach. b.1770 Maxey, Northants, England. Shepherd.
Benjamin Riches. b.1779 Old Buckenham, Norfolk. Agricultural labourer.
Benjamin Barber. b. circa 1772. Lived Halesworth, Suffolk, England. No trade found in records.
Brick wall
John Ellis. b. 1773 Lived in Tasburgh, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
James Gooderham. b.1786 Hempnall, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
William Curtis. b.1808 Hassingham, Norfolk, England. Marshman, agricultural labourer, and steam engine driver.
Samuel Larke. b.1795 Cantley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
William Rose. b.1804 Brundall, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Thomas Barker. b.1801 Moulton St Mary, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
William Key. b.1778 Postwick, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Robert Waters. b.1771 Freethorpe, Norfolk, England. Mole catcher.
Richard Goffen. b.1731 Strumpshaw, Norfolk, England. Carpenter.
John Nichols. b.1786 Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Thomas Tovell. b.1785 Wrentham, Suffolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Edward Tammas. b.1774 Langley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
William Lawn. b.1761 Norfolk. Lived at Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
William Springall. b.1788 Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Brick wall
William Thacker. b.1796 Salhouse, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Reuben Daynes. b.1781 Brandon Parva, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer.
Robert Quantrill. b.1797 Norfolk, Lived Wymondham, Norfolk, England. Weaver.


Meet the challenge whether you can name only a few, or better me. Anywhere in the world.

gotten
10-11-2017, 12:51 AM
I was pretty successful in assembling the 3x GGF list but this is a different ballgame. Most of my ancestors in that generation only have church records. If i'm lucky they died in the early 19th century and the clerk wrote down their last job in the civil death records.

It is a nice game to get me to actually research the jobs and wealth of the pre-1800 people through wills & testaments, so I'll take the challenge. Can I come back to you in... a year or so ? :biggrin1:

Dewsloth
10-11-2017, 02:42 AM
I have a few I'll throw up tomorrow.

Tolan
10-11-2017, 04:40 AM
Here a table of my 7th generation.
Laboureur = Agricultural labourer
Tisserand = Weaver
Fileuse = spinner woomen (weaver)

In the countryside, many of the wife of the farmers were woven and sold their produce on the markets

19245

kostoffj
10-11-2017, 05:13 AM
I don't know all of them, but of those I do know *and* whose vocation I know:

Anton Steinkamp, b. 1804, Senden, Westfalen, Germany: Farmer
Johann Heinrich Trippel, b. 1789 Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany: Farmer
Friedrich Bub, b. 1798, Lobloch, Pfalz, Germany: Vintner
Bernhard Suppiger, b. 1813, Sursee/ Luzern, Switzerland: Miller, later became a property owner and ran a hotel, then was post master
Thomas Day, Sr., b. 1807, Rockingham County, Virginia: Teamster
Samuel Hull, b. 1806, Fleming County, Kentucky: Farmer
Samuel Sanner, b. 1803, Northumberland, Pennsylvania: Farmer
Henry Schoonover, b. 1788, Walpack, New Jersey: Farmer

Several of my 4x GGF I know, but don't have information on what they did for a living. Lot of farmers in my past. For those of you who list "agricultural laborer," does that mean they were farmhands or was it a catch all term including farmers (owned own farm)?

Pylsteen
10-11-2017, 10:06 AM
I love these lists, let's see, all born around 1800.

1. landworker (Betuwe).
2. landworker (Betuwe).
3. landworker (Betuwe).
4. landworker (Betuwe).
5. NPE (Betuwe).
6. landworker, shopkeeper (Betuwe).
7. farmer's servant (Betuwe).
8. carter (Betuwe).
9. farmer (Utrecht).
10. carpenter (wife seamstress) (The Hague).
11. merchant/umbrella maker (Jewish) (Amsterdam/Antwerp).
12. travelling merchant (Jewish) (Amsterdam).
13. postholder (Dutch East Indies).
14. "civilian" (profession not known) (Dutch East Indies).
15. silk plantation owner (Utrecht > Dutch East Indies).
16. accountant (Dutch East Indies).
17. fisher (South-Hollandic islands).
18. milkman (South-Hollandic islands).
19. shipman (Friesland).
20. labourer (South-Hollandic islands).
21. veg. gardener (South-Hollandic islands).
22. veg. gardener (wife too) (South-Hollandic islands).
23. tailor (land of Cleves > South-Hollandic islands).
24. shoemaker's servant (wife seamstress) (South-Hollandic islands).
25. shipman's servant (Rotterdam).
26. shoemaker (wife seamstress) (Rotterdam)
27. bread baker (Gouda)
28. hatter (Belgian Limburg > Dordrecht).
29. smith (wife domestic servant) (Rotterdam)
30. shoemaker (wife seamstress) (Rotterdam)
31. rifleman, bricklayer's servant (wife: "water and fire woman", sold hot water/coal) (Rotterdam).
32. baker's servant, slater (wife milk sellster) (Rotterdam).

A Norfolk L-M20
10-11-2017, 10:52 AM
Some of mine survived until the 1841 or 1851 census but in other cases I had to check the baptisms of later children by which time the parish registers were recording father's occupations. Later children's marriage certificates were another source, along with wills and directories.

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
10-11-2017, 11:56 AM
My 4XG grandfather Mwankota Ali was Zanzibari merchant who worked for the Sultan to trade goods which were needed such as spices, glass, gold and ivory. He settled in Mombasa but no one in my family knows why...

A Norfolk L-M20
10-11-2017, 12:59 PM
I don't know all of them, but of those I do know *and* whose vocation I know:

Anton Steinkamp, b. 1804, Senden, Westfalen, Germany: Farmer
Johann Heinrich Trippel, b. 1789 Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany: Farmer
Friedrich Bub, b. 1798, Lobloch, Pfalz, Germany: Vintner
Bernhard Suppiger, b. 1813, Sursee/ Luzern, Switzerland: Miller, later became a property owner and ran a hotel, then was post master
Thomas Day, Sr., b. 1807, Rockingham County, Virginia: Teamster
Samuel Hull, b. 1806, Fleming County, Kentucky: Farmer
Samuel Sanner, b. 1803, Northumberland, Pennsylvania: Farmer
Henry Schoonover, b. 1788, Walpack, New Jersey: Farmer

Several of my 4x GGF I know, but don't have information on what they did for a living. Lot of farmers in my past. For those of you who list "agricultural laborer," does that mean they were farmhands or was it a catch all term including farmers (owned own farm)?

Agricultural labourers in 18th and 19th century England were poor often casually employed farm hands. Many lived in tied tenancy cottages. However many had a range of skills such as horsemanship, drainage engineering, thatching, etc. Some were also small farmers with a bit of rented land. Others were often very poor.

gotten
10-11-2017, 01:20 PM
I made a list of the info that I could extract from the civil records. It is not as bad as I thought last night. But evidently there are quite a few gaps. Funny to see an 80 year difference in birthdates.

1. need to research, b. 1718, Schinnen, Netherlands (NL)
2. farmer, b. 1753, Schinnen, NL
3. cleaner of watches or clocks, b. 1773, Schinnen, NL
4. land surveyor, b. 1765, Schinnen, NL
5. NPE, likely from Gellik, Belgium (BE)
6. farmer, b. 1788, Hoelbeek, BE
7. farmer, b. 1767, Gellik, BE
8. wheelwright, b. 1761, Gellik, BE
9. day laborer, b. 1751, Oosterhout, NL
10. need to research, b. 1758, Den Bosch, NL
11. painter (either of houses or of linen) / innkeeper, b. 1763, Zevenbergen, NL
12. thatcher, b. 1772, Zevenbergen, NL
13. laborer, b. 1777, Schinnen, NL
14. farmer, b. 1765, Broeksittard, NL
15. smith, b. 1779, Wehr, Germany
16. farmer, b. 1763, Broeksittard, NL
17. need to research, b. 1762, Schin op Geul, NL
18. need to research, probably Schin op Geul, NL
19. need to research, probably Aachen, Germany
20. need to research, probably Aachen, Germany
21. need to research, b. 1782, Bardenberg, Germany
22. need to research, b. 1789, Bardenberg, Germany
23. smith / farrier / laborer, b. 1788, Herzogenrath, Germany
24. coalminer, b. 1796, Kerkrade, NL
25. locksmith (either for doors or for guns) / farmer / weaver of linen, b. 1798, Beek, NL
26. farmer, b. 1797, Bunde, NL
27. day laborer, b. 1795, Beek, NL
28. day laborer, b. 1789, Munstergeleen, NL
29. day laborer, b. 1759, Beek, NL
30. tailor, b. 1783, Munstergeleen, NL
31. locksmith (either for doors or for guns), b. 1800, Hillensberg, Germany
32. carpenter, b. 1799, Spaubeek, NL

msmarjoribanks
10-11-2017, 02:18 PM
This is much harder than the 3x for me, as it hits where my brick walls start to appear or where I need to expand my research on several lines.

Paternal:

1. farmer of 200 acres (1851 census, ag lab in 1841), b. Diddlebury, Shropshire, 1795
2. grocer, b. Bocking, Essex, 1795
3. farmer/landowner, b. Llangafan, Wales, 1785 (younger son later went to the US)
4. farmer, b. 1806 Angelsey, Wales, later lived in Wisconsin
5. brick wall
6. based on location and what he left in his will likely was a farmer, but not sure, b. near Paris, France, 1779, lived in Gallia Co., Ohio
7. probable farmer, but still need to confirm (Pennsylvania and then Franklin Co, OH), b. abt 1790
8. don't know yet
9. farmer and potter (b. 1779 Randolph NC, part of Quaker migration to Indiana)
10-12. all farmers (b. abt 1760, 1766, and 1773 Randolph, NC, part of same migration)
13. don't know occupation (have some probate records have not followed up on yet), b. 1772 Baltimore, acquired land in Carroll Co, MD
14. Mennonite and likely farmer in Chester, PA, but I haven't done much work on him, and don't know (b. abt 1776)
15. farmer (b. 1777 Newberry, SC, and moved as part of Quaker migration to Miami Co., OH with family)
16. don't know, but part of same Quaker community as 15 in early adulthood, died young

Maternal

17. farmer b. abt 1790 (in PA or VA or MD), lived most of life in Jefferson/Carroll Co (same place), Ohio
18. brick wall
19. plasterer b. 1815 Kentucky
20. I know the name (and his wife's name), but nothing else
21-24. all in Sweden, haven't even tried yet
25. farmer in Wisconsin when he died, b. in Connecticut or New York, 1791
26. farmer first in Oneida, NY and then in Annawan, IL, b. 1803 in Rhode Island
27. don't know, in Ireland, haven't really tried yet
28. brick wall
29. farmer and possibly other things, b. 1785 in North Carolina, ended up a land owner in Illinois
30. farmer (eventually, anyway), birth date is confusing, but probably around 1780, b. Virginia and ended up land owner in Illinois
31. not sure, currently a brick wall
32. probably in Ireland, but all I know about his son is the name, so nothing about him

Dewsloth
10-11-2017, 04:26 PM
Paternal:

1. Antonius Wilhelm b. 1756 Niedergladbach, Hesse, Germany. Pächter von Hof Mappen [Tenant of Court Papers?]
2. Holz. Germany
3. Ganter. Germany
4. Fischer. Germany
5. Aaron Baruch Dessauer (later baptised Alois Joseph Dessauer) b. 1763 Gochsheim, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. Court Jew/Banker/militäradmotiator to Baron Karl Theodor von Dalberg, Archbishop of Mainz. After converting, paper trader, a steel plate and fine cloth manufacturer, and in 1810 founded the Aschaffenburg colored paper factory.
6. Dr. Cosmas Damian Hatardus Molitor b. 1785 Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany. "Kreis- und Stadtgerichtsrats" [County and city court councilman?]
7. Vossen. Belgium?
8. Vinckenbosch. Belgium?
9. Johann Adam Fertig. b. Steinmark, Bavaria, Germany. Moved to New Hanover, Pennsylvania. Colonist/Immigrant
10. Christian Schwartz b. 1745 Germany. Immigrant?
11. David Madison Cook b. 1756 York County, Pennsylvania, USA. Soldier (Ensign)/land surveyor, veteran of Revolution and Estill's Defeat 1782.
12. Tranham. Kentucky?
13. Abner Mead b. 1756 Nine Partners, New York. Farmer in Vermont? I think he served in militia the Revolution (his father was a Colonel in the Third Vermont Colonial Regiment).
14. Philip Davis b. 1762 Mansfield City, Tolland, Connecticut. Moved to Vermont. Occupation unknown.
15. Hezekiah Harrington b. 1771 Simsbury, Hartford, Connecticut. Moved to Vermont. Farmer
16. Thomas Dixon/Dickson b. 1752 Lebanon, Connecticut. Moved to Vermont. Served in the Revolution, although one source says as Captain and one pension as Private - one might be a different guy.

17-32. Unknown, most likely all but four are from what is now Lebanon, the other 4 may be Armenian.

kostoffj
10-11-2017, 05:51 PM
Wow Dewsloth that's some distinguished paternal lineage there.

PS - I laugh every time I see your avatar, very clever!

Stephen1986
10-11-2017, 06:39 PM
A large number of mine are unknown, especially on my mother's side, but here are the known ancestors -

Paternal

John Smith - born c1821 near Goosnargh, Lancashire and died in 1882 in Preston, Lancashire. He was a plasterer, as was his father. I don't know what his mother did.
Ellen Cooper - born c1819 in Chipping, Lancashire and died in 1893 in Preston. She seems to have been a housewife. I don't know what her father did, and her mother seems to have been a housewife.

Henry Melling - born 1814 in Preston and died in 1883 in Preston. He was a fruit seller. I don't know what his parents did.
Margaret Edmondson - born c1814 in Poulton-le-Sands, Lancashire and died in 1885 in Preston. She seems to have been a housewife. Her father was an agricultural labourer before being a proprietor of houses, and her mother was a housewife.

David Bracewell - born 1792 in Colne, Lancashire, died unknown. He was a cotton weaver. I don't know what his parents did.
Mary Wilkinson - born 1800 in Colne, died unknown. She was a cotton weaver. I don't know what her parents did.

James Rogerson - born c1810 in Ribchester, Lancashire, died unknown. He was a blacksmith, as was his father. I assume his mother was a housewife.
Ann Slater - born c1805 in Ribchester, died unknown. She doesn't seem to have had a job, so was probably a housewife. I don't know what her parents did.

John Harling - born 1814 in Giggleswick, Yorkshire, died 1862 in Preston. He was usually a joiner, but sometimes also a builder or fireman. I'm not sure what his parents did.
Isabella Medcalf - born 1812 in Dent, Yorkshire, died unknown. She was probably a housewife. Her father was a labourer, then a pauper as well as a cotton weaver and labourer. Her mother was probably a housewife.

Richard Gregory - born 1804 in Ormskirk, Lancashire, died 1853 in Preston. He was a tailor. I don't know what his parents did.
Isabella Cookson - born 1805 in Tarleton, Lancashire, died unknown. She doesn't seem to have had a job apart from housewife, and in one census was in jail for theft (she stole some flour and spent 1851 in Lancaster prison).

Robert Wilson - born 1820 in Kendal, Westmorland, died 1858 in Preston. He was a cotton spinner. I don't know what his parents did.
Mary Smith - born c1821 in Preston, died unknown. I don't know what she or her parents did, I assume she was a housewife.

Thomas Wren - born c1811 in Kendal, died unknown. He had various jobs within a cotton mill. I don't know what his parents did.
Ann Spearman - born 1811 in Rufford, Lancashire, died 1860 in Preston. She worked in a cotton mill. Her father was a wheelwright and I assume her mother was a housewife.

William Maynard - born c1805 in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, died unknown. I don't know what he did for a living, although his father was a plate layer and I assume his mother was a housewife.
Mary Ann Hulks - born 1812 in Hatfield, Hertfordshire, died unknown. She might have had other jobs, but at one point was a straw hat plaiter. Her father was an agricultural labourer and I assume her mother was a housewife.

James Ray - born c1808 in St Albans, Hertfordshire, died 1852 in St Albans. He was an agricultural labourer. I don't know who his parents were.
Sarah Brown - born c1802 in Sandridge, Hertfordshire, died 1867 in St Albans. I don't know what she did for a living· Her father seems to have been an agricultural labourer, I don't know what her mother did.

James Tootle - born c1837 in Clayton Green, Lancashire, died 1912 in Preston. He was a cotton spinner, as was his father. I don't know what his mother did.
Mary Waring - born 1838 in Preston, died 1893 in Preston. She was a cotton weaver. I'm not 100% sure of her parents, but her likely parents were steam loom weavers.

James Nicholson - born c1835 in Carlisle, Cumberland, died unknown. He was a soldier and later a labourer. His father was a gardener and I don't know what his mother did.
Nancy Russell - born c1827 in Moons Mill (now Higher Walton), Lancashire, died unknown. She had various jobs in a cotton mill. Her father was a cotton picker (a mill worker) and her mother a cotton carder.

Joseph Clegg - born 1828 in Manchester, Lancashire, died 1875 in Preston, He was a landscape artist and later a marriage registrar. His father was a shoe maker and I assume his mother was a housewife.
Elizabeth Connolly - born 1833 in Manchester, died unknown. She seems to have been a housewife. Her father was a bricklayer and I assume her mother was a housewife.

George Caton - born 1839 in Kirkham, Lancashire, died 1914 in Preston. He was a tailor. I know little about his parents.
Bridget Ellen Murray - born 1838 in County Meath, Ireland, died 1922 in Preston. She seems to have been a housewife. Her father was a labourer and I assume her mother was a housewife.

Thomas Willis - born 1850 in Preston, died unknown. He was a cotton spinner. His father was a baker and his mother was a housewife.
Mary Ann Whittle - born 1847 in Preston, died unknown. She seems to have been a housewife. Her father seems to have had various jobs, mainly in warehouses and mills, her mother was probably a housewife.

James Brown - born 1821 in Longridge, Lancashire, died in 1881 in Preston. He was a cotton weaver. His father was a labourer and I assume his mother was a housewife.
Susan Shaw - born 1825 in Winwick, Lancashire, died 1870 in Preston. She was a housewife, but at one point a dress maker. I know very little about her parents.

Maternal

Robert McKenna - born c1809 in Armagh, County Armagh, Ireland, died in 1857 in Liverpool, Lancashire. He was an horse ostler. I don't know what his parents did.
Catherine Gilligan - born c1809 probably in County Louth, Ireland, died unknown. She was a housewife then a washerwoman. I don't know what her parents did.

John Scowcroft - born c1807 in Ballyshannon, County Donegal, Ireland, died in 1886 in Preston. He was a tinker, umbrella maker, chapel keeper and other things. His father was a soldier from Preston, his mother is unknown.
Elizabeth Whalley - born 1798 in Preston, died in 1875 in Preston. She seems to have been a housewife. I don't know what her parents did.

George Clark - born c1813 in Ashfield-cum-Thorpe, Suffolk, died 1892 in Preston. He was an agricultural labourer, then a joiner and then a gardener. I don't know what his parents did.
Eliza Warner - born 1815 in Monk Soham, Suffolk, died 1889 in Preston. She seems to have been a housewife. Her father was an agricultural labourer on parish relief, her mother seems to have been a housewife.

Richard Ricketts - born c1781 in Berkeley, Gloucestershire, died 1837 in Westbury-on-Severn, Gloucestershire. I'm not sure what he did. I don't know his parents.
Sarah Lewis - born c1786 in Berkeley, died 1879 in Westbury. She seems to have been a housewife. I only know of her father, but I don't know what he did.

This person is unknown.
Hannah Pearce - born 1802 in Slimbridge, Gloucester, died unknown. I don't know what she did. I know of her parents, but not of what they did.

Philip Dodd - born 1774 in Harthill, Cheshire, died 1856 in Bickerton, Cheshire. He was an agricultural labourer. I don't know what his parents did.
Anne Stokes - born 1794 in Bickley, Cheshire. She was a housewife. Her father was an agricultural labourer and I assume her mother was a housewife.

Aaron Whitby - born c1806 in Cheshire. I don't know what he did. I don't know what his parents did.
Mary Jones - born 1799 in Tattenhall, Cheshire, died 1869 in Great Boughton, Cheshire. She was a housewife. I don't know what her parents did.

George Moxham - born 1816 in Lytham, Lancashire, died 1881 in Preston. He was an agricultural labourer. His father was an agricultural labourer and I don't know what his mother did.
Ellen Bamber - born 1812 in Eccleston, Lancashire, died 1864 in Preston. She seems to have been a housewife. I don't know what her parents did.

John Alston - born 1829 in Goosnargh, died unknown. He was an agricultural labourer. His father was an agricultural labourer and I assume his mother was a housewife.
Ellen Dent - born 1829 in Kendal, died 1892 in Preston. She was sometimes a cotton weaver. Her father was a stone mason and I assume her mother was a housewife.

Dewsloth
10-11-2017, 08:12 PM
A large number of mine are unknown, especially on my mother's side, but here are the known ancestors -



Interesting generational gap there: Too young to fight Napoleon or the US; too old to fight in Crimea. Everyone looks to be powering the Industrial Revolution, instead.

warwick
10-12-2017, 02:32 AM
the only really interesting one of my 4th gg:

Pierre J. Landry:
https://noma.org/exhibitions/pierre-joseph-landry-patriot-planter-sculptor/

RCO
10-12-2017, 01:00 PM
Regional distribution of my 7th generation (64 individuals):

Number of individuals born or moved to:
22 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
14 São Francisco do Sul, Southern Brazil
8 Azores, Atlantic Portugal
8 Eastern Germany
4 Paranaguá, Paraná, Southern Brazil
4 São Lourenço do Douro, Northern Portugal
2 Diamantina, Minas Gerais, Brazil
2 Volta Mantovana, Northern Italy

Europeans were low income poor and became richer moving to Brazil
Different admixtures in a mainly Portuguese genetic stock. Distant Amerindian, African and relatively new Euro immigrants
Social impact of slavery

1 José Gomes de Oliveira - São Francisco do Sul (SFS), Santa Catarina, Southern Brazil - Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman. Y-DNA J1 FGC5987-6175
2 Bárbara Pereira (SFS) - Daughter of the same social class of the husband
3 José de Miranda Coutinho - (SFS) Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman
4 Clara Maria de Jesus (SFS) - Daughter of the same social class of the husband
5 Manoel Machado Gallo - Born in the Azores and moved to (SFS)
6 Ana Maria do Espírito Santo - Ilha de Santa Catarina, Brazil
7 Raimundo José Correira Fernandes Born in the Azores and moved to (SFS)
8 Maria Francisca do Espírito Santo - (SFS)
9 Antonio de Oliveira Cercal - Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman
10 Ana Maria de Miranda - (SFS)
11 Manoel Fernandes Dias - Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman
12 Maria Antonia Moreira - (SFS)
13 José da Silveira Dutra - Azores
14 Isabel Joaquina - Azores - Azores
15 Antonio de Carvalho Bueno (SFS) Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman
16 Bárbara Jacinta Leite de Moraes (SFS) - mtDNA A2aa
17 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen - artisan or agricultural worker
18 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
19 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
20 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
21 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
22 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
23 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
24 Eastern Germany - Silesia or Posen
25 Azores - artisan or agricultural worker
26 Azores
27 Azores
28 Azores
29 Somewhere around Paranaguá, Southern Brazil
30 Somewhere around Paranaguá, Southern Brazil
31 Somewhere around Paranaguá, Southern Brazil
32 Somewhere around Paranaguá, Southern Brazil - mtDNA C1c
33 Joaquim Bento da Cunha - Rio de Janeiro - Worker upward mobile.
34 Senhorinha Roza - Rio de Janeiro - Worker
35 Barroso Pereira - Rio de Janeiro, Brazilian Nobility
36 Genoveva Ludovina - Born as a mixed race Slave Girl in Rio de Janeiro. She had a son with her Master Pereira and was freed and became a Slaveholder and had urban properties in Rio !
37 José Manuel de Azevedo. Rio de Janeiro.Brazilian Nobility
38 Ana Joaquina da Costa Barros - Rio de Janeiro.Brazilian Nobility
39 Manuel Carneiro de Campos - Born in Salvador, Bahia and moved to Rio de Janeiro. Imperial Councillor. Brazilian Nobility
40 Maria Inácia Ferreira França - Born in Salvador, Bahia and moved to Rio de Janeiro. Brazilian Nobility
41 João Nepomuceno Freire - Merchant in Diamantina, Minas Gerais, father of 43
42 Ana Dalmácia Rocha - Diamantina, Minas Gerais, mother of 43
43 Antonio Francisco da Rocha Freire - Born in Diamantina and lived in Rio de Janeiro. Brazilian Navy Officer
44 Guilhermina Clara Lennox Paiva - Rio de Janeiro
45 Giulio Boselli - Volta Mantovana, Lombardia, Northern Italy
46 Margherita Urangia - Volta Mantovana, Lombardia, Northern Italy
47 Rio de Janeiro
48 Maria Felicia do Amor Divino - Rio de Janeiro
49 Felix José de Sena Lisboa - Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman in Macaé, Rio de Janeiro.
50 Ana Francisca das Neves - Macaé, Rio de Janeiro
51 Antonio Coelho Antão - Born in the Algarve, Portugal. Coronel. Landowner, Slaveholder, Officer in the Militia, Local Councilman in Macaé, Rio de Janeiro.
52 Antonia Ferancisca de Vasconcellos - Born in the Algarve and moved with the husband to Rio de Janeiro
53 Somewhere around Campos - Rio de Janeiro
54 Somewhere around Campos - Rio de Janeiro
55 Somewhere around Campos - Rio de Janeiro
56 Somewhere around Campos - Rio de Janeiro
57 Luis Ribeiro - Sailor in São Lourenço do Douro - Portugal
58 Maria Joaquina - Weaver in São Lourenço do Douro - Portugal
59 José Joaquim - Worker in São Lourenço do Douro - Portugal
60 Maria - Worker in São Lourenço do Douro - Portugal
61 João Cardoso Nunes - Born in the Azores and moved to be a Shopkeeper in Rio de Janeiro
62 Maria de Jesus - Born in the Azores and moved to be a Shopkeeper in Rio de Janeiro
63 André de Ponte - Azores - Agricultural worker
64 Margarida Eugênia - Azores - Agricultural worker - mtDNA H1ao1

kostoffj
10-12-2017, 01:46 PM
These are great, keep 'em coming!

Dewsloth
10-12-2017, 05:51 PM
Someone had to do it. We've had What did your 3 great grandfathers do for a living (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5989-What-did-your-3-great-grandfathers-do-for-a-living). Let's try to step it up further if we can. We each have 32 biological great great great great grandfathers, unless genetic folding has kicked in early with recent cousin marriages. How many can you report? Ladies and gentlemen, Your great great great great grandfathers please.

Mine:

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Robert Waters. b.1771 Freethorpe, Norfolk, England. Mole catcher.
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This one seemed so specific, I Googled it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/mole-catchers-britain


In the 18th century mole-catchers were employed by every parish in England to keep the mole population under control. Catching these creatures required such skill that practitioners were remunerated more generously than surgeons. Mole-catchers zealously guarded their methods, divulging them only to their own children.

The earliest English descriptions of mole catching practically take the form of spells. Roger Sharrock, in 1660, advised his readers to cut up red herrings, burn them, and place the pieces in the mouths of molehills. In a pinch, garlic or leeks might also work. “I have not tryed these ways,” Sharrock added, “and therefore refer the Reader to his own tryal, belief or doubt.”
B):biggrin1:

A Norfolk L-M20
10-12-2017, 07:18 PM
This one seemed so specific, I Googled it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/mole-catchers-britain


B):biggrin1:

As a boy, when visiting my grandmother, in that area of eastern Norfolk close to Freethorpe (Cantley), I remember learning the art of standing very still next to a mole hill with a spade, ready to kill it. There were two strict times, one morning, one afternoon, when which it was said that they'd throw up their earth. I don't think I ever had the patience to catch one ha ha. I wanted to make a mole skin cap.

A Norfolk L-M20
10-12-2017, 07:33 PM
Thinking about it, me as a boy around 1972 by that molehill. I was a stone throw away from the church that the father of No.18 4 x great grandfather "Samuel Larke. b.1795 Cantley, Norfolk, England. Agricultural labourer." was a parish clerk at. In the footsteps of ancestors.

A Norfolk L-M20
10-14-2017, 11:05 AM
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/56/150629284_63b1bd6027_z.jpg?zz=1

Above. One of my daughters posing in workhouse pauper attire, in the very workhouse that some of her own ancestors lived. Gressenhall Rural-Life Museum, Norfolk.

Here I will attempt to list as many of my 4 x great grandmothers, who they were, where they lived, and something about them.


Elizabeth Brooker (nee Seymore). b.1797 Drayton, Oxon. England. Mother to seven children. Wife of an agricultural labourer.
Hannah Edney (nee Hedges) b. 1784 Enstone, Oxon, England. Wife of a thatcher.
Brickwall. Switzerland. Wife of a copper smith.
Susannah Durran (nee Waine) b. 1809 Tadmarton, Oxon, England. Wife of a tailor, mother of seven.
Anne Bennett (nee Neale). b. 1786 Norfolk, England. Farmer's wife.
Frances Baxter (nee Shilling). b. 1778 Gressenhall, Norfolk, England. Bricklayer's wife and mother of four.
Mary Barker (nee Bligh). b. 1797 Scarning, Norfolk, England. A shoe maker's wife.
Jemima Barber (nee Harris). b. 1800 Swanton Morley, Norfolk, England, an agricultural labourer's wife, and mother of eight.
Mary Smith (nee Smith). b. 1775 Attleborough, Norfolk, England. An agricultural labourer's wife, and mother of seven.
Elizabeth Hewitt (nee Freeman). b. 1779 Attleborough, Norfolk, England. An agricultural labourer's wife, and mother of five children.
Ann Peach (nee ?) b. 1779. Northants, England. Wife of a Shepherd, mother of four.
Elizabeth Riches (nee Snelling) b.1781 Banham, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of nine children.
Elizabeth Barber (nee ?) Lived at Halesworth, Suffolk, England.
Brickwall
Elizabeth Beckett (nee ?) b.1770. Lived at Tasburgh, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of seven.
Frances Gooderham (nee ?) b.1790 Saham Toney, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of eight.
Mary Ann Curtis (nee Rose) b.1806 Buckenham Ferry, Norfolk, England. Wife of a marshman and agricultural labourer, mother of nine.
Elizabeth Larke (nee Dingle) b.1795 Strumpshaw, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer. Only two children found.
Elizabeth Rose (nee Brooks) b.1806 Postwick, Norfolk, England. Wife of agricultural labourer, mother of nine.
Hopeful Barker (nee Morrison) b.1804 Lingwood, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of eight.
Susanna Key (nee Briggs) b.1781 Strumpshaw, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of four.
Elizabeth Waters (nee Ransby) b.1772 Freethorpe, Norfolk, England. Wife of a mole catcher, mother of four.
Judith Goffen (nee Shepherd) b.1772 Reedham, Norfolk, England. Wife of a carpenter, mother of six.
Emily Nichols (nee Beck) b. 1795 Halvergate, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of only two known.
Elizabeth Tovell (nee Smith) b.1795 Toft Monks, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of six.
Ann Tammas (nee Dove) b.1786 Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of five.
Ann Lawn (nee Porter) b.1763 Limpenhoe, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of four.
Mary Springall (nee Wymer) b.1789 Mouton St Mary, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of seven.
Brickwall
Catharine Thacker (nee Hagon) b.1797 Shipdham, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of three (died 1832, husband remarried).
Sarah Daynes (nee ?) b.1783 Witchingham, Norfolk, England. Wife of an agricultural labourer, mother of ten.
Mary Quantrill (nee Page) b.1791 Wymondham, Norfolk, England. Wife of a weaver, mother of four


What I will also say, is that these ancestors could have had more children, that I have not found baptism records for. It was also very rare for all children to survive in the large families. Also, that in addition to looking after the household, and rearing so many children, they would have to contribute to income whenever they could, be it by laundering for others, tailoring, and seasonal casual work on the fields.

deadly77
10-14-2017, 04:10 PM
Here's my 4x great-grandfathers (at least the ones I know):

1. Coal Miner.
2. Lime Burner.
3. Glass maker.
4. Mariner.
5. Husbandman.
6. Coal Miner.
7. Clothier.
8. Overlooker at woollen mill.
9. Agricultural Labourer.
10. Blacksmith.
11. Agricultural Labourer.
12. Agricultural Labourer.
13. Shoemaker/cordwainer.
14. Shipwright.
15. Engine Tender.
16. Cloth Dresser.
17. Coastguard.
18. Gardener.

More than half, but still a lot of unknowns. Some I know names, but not much more than that. But a lot more to find out.

Opium
10-21-2017, 04:36 PM
1. William, mason, b. 1790s Edinburgh
2. Alastair, needs research, b. 1779 Dumfries.
3. Henry, agricultural labourer, b. 1800s Limerick
4. John, agricultural labourer, b. 1810 Kilkenny
5. Thomas, miner, b. 1777 Yorkshire area
6. Laurence, blacksmith, b. 1791 Coventry (Huguenot ancestry)
7. Edward, candlemaker, b. 1789 Leeds
8. James, needs research, b. 1803 York
9. Cináed ("Kenneth"), self-made landowner & businessman, b. 1787 Carlow
10. Thomas, mason, b. 1786 Limerick
11. Peadar ("Peter"), some religious aspect, b. 1769 Castlebar
12. William, agricultural labourer, b. 1778 outside Killarney
13. Robert, needs research, b. 1786 Castlebar
14. William, agricultural labourer, b. 1812 Roscommon
15. Adam, needs research, b. 1797 Sheffield
16. James, agricultural labourer, b. 1782 Leighlinbridge.

1. Pierre, merchant, b. 1809 Spittal (French/Swiss parents)
2. Honore, needs research, b. 1797 St. Malo
3. Jean, agricultural labourer, b. 1784 Nantes
4. Pierre, artisan, b. 1815, Paris region
5. Isidore, needs research, b 1809 Glasgow
6. Jean-Paul, needs research, b. 1799 London (mother from Tours)
7. Johann, military, b. 1756 Worms
8. Niklaus, needs research, b. 1804 Lauperswil
10. John, needs research, b. 1776 Glenmoriston
11. Josiah, merchant son/military, b. 1823 Somerset
12. Thomas, shoemaker, b. 1819 Limerick
13. James, needs research, b. 1821 Liverpool
14. William, bricklayer, b. 1812 Exeter
15. William, glass 'blower', b. 1809 Dublin
16. Peter, needs research, b. 1797 Liverpool




1. Nicholas, seems piracy/smuggler, b. 1812 Cornwall
2. Robert, blacksmith, b. 1831 Cornwall
3. William, labourer, b. 1789 Swanlingbar
4. Peter, needs research, b. 1791 Cavan County
5. Wilhelm, military?, b. 1811 Adelshofen
6. Philip, needs research, b 1794 Hessen (Jewish ancestry)
7. Christoff, labourer, b. 1821 Saarland
8. Hendrick, needs research, b. 1818 Valkenburg
9. Nathaniel, seems goldsmith, b. 1822 Holland (Huguenot ancestry)
10. David, smith, b. 1809 Den Bosch (Jewish mother)
11. Diederik, needs research, Etten
12. Stephan, artist/painter, Bern (Huguenot ancestry)
13. Maikel ("Michael"), doctor, b. 1803 Amsterdam
14. Hans, needs research, b. 1812 Saarbrücken
15. Valentin, needs research, b. 1792 Klagenfurt
16. Jorg, labourer, b. 1798 Bern

1. John, ship worker, b. 1780 Lancashire
2. Richard, ship worker, b. 1810 Liverpool
3. John, hunter, b. 1774 Burwick
4. Tomas, needs research, b. 1819 Braemore
5. Richard, labourer, b. 1821 Thurso
6. Alexander, needs research, b. 1789 Dalriada
7. William, military, b. 1792 Muir of Ord
8. Henry, needs research, b. 1780 Cromarty
9. Aonghas ("Angus"), travelled a bit (military?), b. 1801 Urquhart
10. Donald, needs research, b. 1784 Fife
11. Roderick, military, b. 1807 Glengarry
12. Colin, needs research, b. 1809 Glengarry
13. John, smith, b. 1801 Isle of Skye
14. John, needs research, b. 1822 Skye
15. George, labourer, b. 1808 Invergordon
16. John, military, b. 1812 Knockfin

MitchellSince1893
10-21-2017, 09:35 PM
Here's mine. 30 of 32 are known.
25 were farmers/agricultural laborers. 50% of my paternal line and 100% of my maternal line 4xgreat grandfathers were farmers in North and South Carolina.

Until I did this research for this thread, I didn't know I had three 4xgreat grandfathers that died in the US Civil War. Ironically they all were in the same infantry regiment, but died in 3 different battles (Antietam, Petersburg, and Bristoe Station). Another was in the War of 1812, but I don't think he saw any action.



1 Unknown paternal grandfather of mystery man
2 Unknown maternal grandfather of mystery man
3 b 1803 Montrose, Scotland d 1874 Manchester, England. Newspaper printer, Montrose, Scotland. Librarian Manchester England
4 b 1808 Allahabad, India, d 1872 Calcutta, India. British land surveyor in India
5 b 1798 Montgomeryshire, Wales, d 1879 Newtown, Wales. FULLER (Fabric worker who shrinks, beats and presses cloth)
6 b 1804 Newtown, Wales d 1877 Newtown, Wales. Wool Carder (Machine operator to prepare products for storage or shipment)
7 b 1786 Montgomeryshire Wales d 1855 Newtown Wales. Wool Spinner
8 b 1791 Montgomeryshire Wales d 1870? Agricultural Laborer
9 b 1801 Marion Co., SC d 1883 SC. Farmer
10 b 1809 Georgetown, SC d 1883 NC. Farmer
11 b 1784 Moore Co., NC d 1872 NC. Farmer
12 b 1810 SC d 1880 Marion Co., SC. Farmer
13 b 1801 Marion Co., SC d 1883 SC. Farmer
14 b 1809 Georgetown, SC d 1883 NC. Farmer
15 b 1765 Union Co., NC d 1876 Farmer
16 b 1783 Lancaster Co., SC d 1835 NC Farmer

17 b 1786. Richmond Co., NC Farmer
18 b 1775 Anson Co., NC Farmer
19 b 1781 Robeson, Co., NC Laborer First Brigade of NC Militia - 4th Regiment - 10th Company War of 1812
20 b 1815 Richmond Co., NC Farmer
21 b 1803 Duplin Co., NC Farmer
22 b 1794 Anson Co., NC Farmer
23 b 1782 Pender Co., NC Farmer
24 b 1794 Anson Co., Farmer
25 b 1805 Chesterfield Co., SC Farmer
26 b 1794 Anson Co., NC Farmer
27 b 1806 Anson Co., NC, Farmer
28 b 1831 Mecklenburg Co., NC, Farmer, Private, 48th NC Infantry Regiment died in Civil War at battle of Petersburg 1862.
29 b 1801 Union Co., NC Farmer
30 b 1802 Chesterfield Co., SC Farmer
31 b 1833 Union Co., NC Farmer, Private Company E. 48th NC Infantry Regiment 1862-1863. Died at Battle of Bristoe Station Virginia
32 b 1818 Mecklenburg Co., NC Farmer, Private Company B. 26th NC Infantry Regiment and Company A. 48th NC Infantry Regiment. Killed at Battle of Antietam Sept. 17, 1862 in Sharpsburg, MD

Opium
10-24-2017, 08:38 AM
1. William, mason, b. 1790s Edinburgh
2. Alastair, needs research, b. 1779 Dumfries.
3. Henry, agricultural labourer, b. 1800s Limerick
4. John, agricultural labourer, b. 1810 Kilkenny
5. Thomas, miner, b. 1777 Yorkshire area
6. Laurence, blacksmith, b. 1791 Coventry (Huguenot ancestry)
7. Edward, candlemaker, b. 1789 Leeds
8. James, needs research, b. 1803 York
9. Cináed ("Kenneth"), self-made landowner & businessman, b. 1787 Carlow
10. Thomas, mason, b. 1786 Limerick
11. Peadar ("Peter"), some religious aspect, b. 1769 Castlebar
12. William, agricultural labourer, b. 1778 outside Killarney
13. Robert, needs research, b. 1786 Castlebar
14. William, agricultural labourer, b. 1812 Roscommon
15. Adam, needs research, b. 1797 Sheffield
16. James, agricultural labourer, b. 1782 Leighlinbridge.

1. Pierre, merchant, b. 1809 Spittal (French/Swiss parents)
2. Honore, needs research, b. 1797 St. Malo
3. Jean, agricultural labourer, b. 1784 Nantes
4. Pierre, artisan, b. 1815, Paris region
5. Isidore, needs research, b 1809 Glasgow
6. Jean-Paul, needs research, b. 1799 London (mother from Tours)
7. Johann, military, b. 1756 Worms
8. Niklaus, needs research, b. 1804 Lauperswil
10. John, needs research, b. 1776 Glenmoriston
11. Josiah, merchant son/military, b. 1823 Somerset
12. Thomas, shoemaker, b. 1819 Limerick
13. James, needs research, b. 1821 Liverpool
14. William, bricklayer, b. 1812 Exeter
15. William, glass 'blower', b. 1809 Dublin
16. Peter, needs research, b. 1797 Liverpool




1. Nicholas, seems piracy/smuggler, b. 1812 Cornwall
2. Robert, blacksmith, b. 1831 Cornwall
3. William, labourer, b. 1789 Swanlingbar
4. Peter, needs research, b. 1791 Cavan County
5. Wilhelm, military?, b. 1811 Adelshofen
6. Philip, needs research, b 1794 Hessen (Jewish ancestry)
7. Christoff, labourer, b. 1821 Saarland
8. Hendrick, needs research, b. 1818 Valkenburg
9. Nathaniel, seems goldsmith, b. 1822 Holland (Huguenot ancestry)
10. David, smith, b. 1809 Den Bosch (Jewish mother)
11. Diederik, needs research, Etten
12. Stephan, artist/painter, Bern (Huguenot ancestry)
13. Maikel ("Michael"), doctor, b. 1803 Amsterdam
14. Hans, needs research, b. 1812 Saarbrücken
15. Valentin, needs research, b. 1792 Klagenfurt
16. Jorg, labourer, b. 1798 Bern

1. John, ship worker, b. 1780 Lancashire
2. Richard, ship worker, b. 1810 Liverpool
3. John, hunter, b. 1774 Burwick
4. Tomas, needs research, b. 1819 Braemore
5. Richard, labourer, b. 1821 Thurso
6. Alexander, needs research, b. 1789 Dalriada
7. William, military, b. 1792 Muir of Ord
8. Henry, needs research, b. 1780 Cromarty
9. Aonghas ("Angus"), travelled a bit (military?), b. 1801 Urquhart
10. Donald, needs research, b. 1784 Fife
11. Roderick, military, b. 1807 Glengarry
12. Colin, needs research, b. 1809 Glengarry
13. John, smith, b. 1801 Isle of Skye
14. John, needs research, b. 1822 Skye
15. George, labourer, b. 1808 Invergordon
16. John, military, b. 1812 Knockfin

Apologies. Cousin & his spouse, had their info up to review. Will post me later.

JFWinstone
10-24-2017, 09:40 PM
1. John George Winstone - Bootmaker - Lambeth, London
2. Edward Penn - Agricultural Labourer - Wexham, Bucks
3. John Gardner - Glass Bender/Chemical Maker - Finsbury, London
4. James Hutchings - Carman - Bethnal Green
5. Unknown
6. Unknown
7. Unknown
8. Unknown
9. John Bloomfield/Broomfield - Commercial Traveller - Southampton
10. James Adcock - Coachsmith - Cambridge
11. Thomas Holloway - Coachsmith - Kensington, London
12. George White - Builders Labourer - Marylebone, London
13. Jan Scholtz - Warmoezier - Nieuwer-Amstel, Netherlands
14. Geert Alberts Buisman - Schippersknecht, Friesland, Netherlands
15. John Witt - Gardener - Christchurch, Hampshire
16. John James - Carpenter - Christchurch, Hampshire
17. unknown
18. unknown
19. unknown
20. unknown
21. unknown
22. unknown
23. unknown
24. unknown
25. Joseph Hallett - Agricultural Labourer, Pilsdon, Dorset
26. Francis Hussey - Sailcloth Weaver, Stoke Abbott, Dorset
27. Richard Dunsby - Potter, Beaminster, Dorset
28. Josiah Quarrell - Weaver, Beaminster, Dorset
29. John Chubb - Labourer, Symondsbury, Dorset
30. George Roper - Agricultural Labourer, Marshwood, Dorset
31. George Russell - Dairyman, Chideock, Dorset
32. George Meech - Butcher, Stoke Abbott, Dorset

Opium
10-26-2017, 12:15 AM
Apologies. Cousin & his spouse, had their info up to review. Will post me later.

Again apologies. Wasn't thinking earlier (work).

1. John, hunter, b. 1774 Burwick
2. Tomas, needs research, b. 1819 Braemore
3. Richard, labourer, b. 1821 Thurso
4. Alexander, needs research, b. 1789 Dalriada
5. William, military, b. 1792 Muir of Ord
6. Henry, needs research, b. 1780 Cromarty
7. Aonghas ("Angus"), travelled a bit (military?), b. 1801 Urquhart
8. Donald, needs research, b. 1784 Fife

9. William, labourer, b. 1801 Darlington
10. James, labourer, b 1802/05 Leeds
11. James, needs research, b. 1783 Blackpool
12. needs verification, odd name, UK.
13. unknown, UK
14. unknown, UK
15. Johann, merchant, b. 1792 Berlin
16. Josef, doctor, b. 1811 Hamburg (Jewish)

17. seems 1780s London
18. Caius, needs research, b. 1778 London (Huguenot ancestry)
19. Levi, banker, b. 1800s Netherlands
20. Alfred, needs research, b. 1799 Saarlouis
21. unknown, Ireland
22. Jonas, fastener, b. 1809 Liverpool
23. Andreas, needs research, b. 1821 Arnhem.
24. unknown, seeming b. 1801 record Drachten

25. Wulfric/k, smith, b. 1812 Mannheim
26. Andreas, needs research, b. 1822 Lübeck
27. Hans, needs research, b. 1800s Szczecin
28. Jakub, farmer, b. 1845 Poland
29. Labourer, b. 1832 Poland
30. Wood 'trader', b. 1792 Poland
31. Labourer, b. 1788 Poland
32. Occupation unclear, b. 1820 Poland

spruithean
08-08-2018, 03:44 PM
Hopefully I didn't confuse myself while searching for all these in my files :laugh:

1) Shoemaker - Masstown, Nova Scotia, Canada & New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
2) Ship Carpenter - Tatamagouche, Nova Scotia, Canada, grandfather was a Gaelic-speaking Loyalist from Argyllshire, grandmother was French-speaking Foreign Protestant
3) Cultivateur/Farmer - England immigrated to New Brunswick, wife was from Prince Edward Island
4) Engineer - Maccan, Nova Scotia, Canada
5) Farmer/Labourer - Brigown, Co. Cork, Ireland, immigrated to Canada in the 1820s, father died on the ship, eldest brother died in Ontario from a falling tree
6) Teamster/Soldier - Pennsylvania, USA
7) Draper Shopkeeper - Manchester, Lancashire, England
8) Labourer - Taughboyne, Co. Donegal, Ireland
9) Labourer - Taughboyne, Co. Donegal, Ireland
10) Farmer - Cloughjordan, Co. Tipperary, Ireland
11) Farmer - Ballycapple, Shinrone, Co. Offaly, Ireland
12) Engraver - London, England
13) Policeman/Plasterer - Plymouth, Devon, England
14) Labourer - Sunbury-on-Thames, England
15) Soldier - Meerut, India
16) Veehouderop "cattle farmer" - Maasland, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands**
17) Bouwman - 's-Gravenzande, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
18) Bouwman - Vlaardinger-Ambacht, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
19) Bouwman - Vlaardinger-Ambacht, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
20) Bouwman - Vlaardingen, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands**
21) Bouwman - Rozenburg, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
22) Bouwman - Maasland, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
23) Bouwman - Monster, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
24) Dagloner, Landbouwer, Soldier - Wehe, Groningen, Netherlands
25) unknown - 't Zandt, Groningen, Netherlands
26) Tuinman - Tjamsweer, Groningen, Netherlands
27) Broodbakker - Noordhorn, Groningen, Netherlands
28) Dagloner, Shop Keeper - Garsthuizen, Groningen, Netherlands
29) Dagloner - Bedum, Groningen, Netherlands
30) Bouwman - Kroddeburen, Groningen, Netherlands
31) Dagloner + Skipper - Westeremden, Groningen, Netherlands
32) Dagloner - Groningen, Netherlands

** these men were brothers

czl
08-08-2018, 04:59 PM
Not entirely sure but I think it was mainly farming and metalwork

leonardo
08-08-2018, 05:43 PM
My one great grandfather started on the family farm, which also had a coal mine on the property at one time. He then moved to the big city in the late 1880s, since he was one of the younger brothers not to inherit the property, and did a variety of labor jobs, including a plasterer and working at the electric works factory. He lived to be 73 years of age.
My other great grandfather was a carpenter. He too started in a small rural town, then moved to the big city in his thirties (the mid 1890s) to ply his trade. He lived to be 59 years of age.
The other great grandfather emigrated from Italy in 1907. He was a stone mason and worked a variety of jobs, from making statuary for a church to working on the roads. He lived to be 77 years of age.
My final great grandfather emigrated from Poland in 1889. He started in a steel mill and ended up working for the railroad. He lived to be 71 years of age.

PoxVoldius
08-09-2018, 03:29 AM
Okay, while I'm waiting for Geneplaza to process my dad's raw data & run it through Kurd's new calc...

Lots of missing information for this generation, but more variety of known occupations than my 3x great-grandfathers.

Paternal

1. Herman Mehlhorn - probably born in Sachsen - occupation unknown
2. Christian Becker - probably born in Germany - occupation unknown
3. Friedrick Krause - b. 1819 Prussia, d. 1870 Shawano County, Wisconsin - occupation unknown
4. Joseph Polzin - probably born in Germany, occupation unknown
5. Ferdinand Wilke - b. 1818 Kazimierz, Łódzkie, Poland, d. 1893 Cyców, Lubelskie, Poland - occupation unknown
6. Johann Krause - b. Germany - occupation unknown
7. Franz Sommerfeld - b. 1817 either Golskie Holendry, Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Poland or Grabów, Łódzkie, Poland, d. 1883 Sobolew, Lubelskie, Poland - occupation unknown
8. Gustav Pidde - b. 1831 Dąbie, Wielkopolskie, Poland, d. 1884 Wólka Zabłocka, Lubelskie, Poland - occupation unknown
9. Joseph Hess - b. Kolejwitz, Bohemia - occupation unknown
10. Ignatz Vaisch - b. Bohemia - occupation unknown
11. Johann Grumme - b. 1803 Neuwalde, Silesia (now Nowy Las, Opolskie, Poland), d. 1847 Markersdorf, Silesia - charcoal maker & distiller
12. Joseph Koenig - probably born in Germany, d. before 1900 Wisconsin - master carpenter
13. John Bouck - b. 1808 Thorald, Ontario, Canada, d. before 1881 - lumberman
14. David Wright - b. abt 1815 Quebec, Canada, d. 1886 Port Rowan, Ontario, Canada - sailor, mariner, captain
15. Unknown Cummings or Cummins - possibly born in Pennsylvania & moved to Canada - occupation unknown
16. Peter Evans - b. 1827 Pennsylvania, d. 1865 Selma, Dallas, Alabama (US Civil War) - carpenter

Maternal

17. Samuel Roberts - b. 1786 Cape Elizabeth, Cumberland, Maine, d. 1871 Manchester, Dearborn, Indiana - carpenter, farmer
18. John Thompson - b. 1801 Maryland, d. 1884 Aurora, Dearborn, Indiana - farmer
19. Holmes Nicholas - b. 1812 Bucks County, Pennsylvania, d. 1896 Marcus, Cherokee, Iowa - carpenter, farmer
20. John Smith - b. 1822 New Jersey, d. 1905 Fort Dodge, Webster, Iowa - shoemaker, farmer
21. Unknown Srnêc - probably born in Bohemia - occupation unknown
22. Vojtěch Lukeš - b. 1812 Líšnice, Bohemia, d. Spillville, Winneshiek, Iowa - farmer
23. John Shors - b. abt 1809 Pisek, Bohemia - farmer, laborer
24. Unknown Vana - probably born in Bohemia - occupation unknown
25. Barzillai Huling - b. 1798 Stillwater, Saratoga, New York, d. 1885 Chenoa, McLean, Illinois - farmer
26. Willis Moffett - b. 1806 New York, d. 1885 Tonica, La Salle, Illinois - farmer
27. Hugh Cummins - b. 1807 Cambridge, Ross, Ohio, d. 1897 Esmen, Livingston, Illinois - farmer
28. William Garretson - b. 1823 Loudoun, Virginia, d. 1864 Battle of Piedmont, Augusta, Virginia (US Civil War, the 4th flag-bearer killed while raising the Union flag in the Confederate fort) - carpenter, millwright
29. Chauncy Nickerson - b. 1818 Montgomery County, New York, d. 1895 Chenoa, McLean, Illinois - farmer, wagon maker
30. Peyton Trunnell - b. 1817 Bardstown Junction, Bullitt, Kentucky, d. 1897 Saybrook, McLean, Illinois - farm laborer, farmer
31. Georg Twiehaus - b. 1804 Westerkappeln, Westfalen, d. 1878 - occupation unknown
32. Friederich Niemeyer - b. 1818 Ledde, Westfalen, d. 1885 - occupation unknown

msmarjoribanks
08-09-2018, 05:13 AM
McLean, IL! I have some family who passed through there. Gggg grandfather Dabney Anderson Ashburn supposedly died there, although I'm not sure where (I have to go to Peoria for work a bunch lately, so go right through there (Bloomington, McLean is on the way), so I should start just checking out cemeteries), and his son Barnett (my ggg grandfather) bought land there in 1836 -- 40 acres for 50 dollars, 8/1/36, so just over 182 years ago if my math checks out. About a month before Anderson bought 40 acres for the same price in Tazewell, which is next door, but he's in McLean for the 1840 census, and Barnett is for 1850. A couple of Anderson's other sons also bought land in McLean.

Location in McLean was Stouts Grove, which seems to be in Danvers now.

Judith
08-22-2018, 02:50 PM
Thank you Paul for starting this thread. I gave me the motivation to look at some gaps in my tree which were waiting to be filled.

My input and a request of help in reading the handwriting on the 1841 census, whic I cannot interpret.

Paternal
Joseph born 1760 salt miner
John born 1761 farmer
Thomas born 1786 flatman (operates a Mersey sailing barge known as a flat)
William born 1753 hat maker
Joseph born 1784 salt boiler
John born 1787 sawyer (carpenter)
Joseph born 1774 soldier/ marine then Chelsea pensioner
William born 1783 coal miner
William born 1773 soldier then ag lab
James born 1793 labourer
George born 1809 salt boiler
William born 1806 salt boiler
George born 1785 carpenter
George born 1772 illegible (attached any thoughts?)
Samuel born 1773 wheelwright
James born 1769 linen draper
Maternal
John born 1747 farmer
William born 1754 farmer
Elias born 1759 farmer
William born 1774 farmer
John born 1772 lead miner
William born 1782 publican
George born 1790 framework knitter (home making of stockings)
John born 1790 waller I assume he built walls from bricks!
Joseph born 1763 ag lab
John born 1761 unknown
John born 1765 ag lab
Nathaniel born 1769 joiner (carpenter)
John born 1790 gentleman (an illegitimate father)
William born 1768 labourer
Unknown probably a flatman

So a large range of dates of birth easily two generations in my range of 1754 to 1809.
Any ideas of what my unknown occupation is please? There is another example on the adjacent pages and both men were old that it may be their status/ capacity, but I just cannot translate it.25425 25426

spruithean
08-22-2018, 03:49 PM
Perhaps "Shoe M; J" which could be "Shoemaker Journeyman"? But that doesn't make sense given his age for that census.

Maybe Shoemaker Manufacturer? Or Shopman?

Phoebe Watts
08-22-2018, 06:15 PM
Perhaps "Shoe M; J" which could be "Shoemaker Journeyman"? But that doesn't make sense given his age for that census.

Maybe Shoemaker Manufacturer? Or Shopman?

It does look like Shoemaker Journeyman. Could journeyman be interpreted as someone who is employed long term by a master craftsman - rather than someone who moves around looking for work? I have both meanings in my tree.

JerryS.
08-22-2018, 07:03 PM
I can't get that information, but while searching a while back I did learn a new tid bit of lore..... my Italian Great Grandfather (born 1876) was a mason and a fisherman depending on what was in demand at the time.... he had both ears pierced with gold loops. the reason was that if he died at sea, fell overboard, got tangled in nets and drown, lost at sea from a storm.... who ever found his body, the ear rings were their payment to ensure he got a Christian burial. I thought that was neat.

Phoebe Watts
08-22-2018, 07:22 PM
Still lots of gaps in mine. The parish registers haven't survived well in some parts of Wales and patronymics and common surnames complicate things.

surname born
1 brick wall (common names) Glamorgan
2 brick wall Pembrokeshire
3 brick wall (common names) Pembrokeshire
4 brick wall (common names) Glamorgan
5 Griffith 1770 Carmarthenshire Miller
6 Evans 1778 Carmarthenshire Farmer
7 brick wall (common names) Carmarthenshire
8 Rees 1779 Carmarthenshire Tailor
9 Jones 1782 Carmarthenshire Stone Mason and Innkeeper
10 Cunnick 1791 Carmarthenshire Agricultural Labourer
11 Thomas 1787 Carmarthenshire Agricultural Labourer
12 Thomas 1789 Carmarthenshire Stone Mason
13 Griffiths 1788 Pembrokeshire Coal Miner
14 Watts abt 1780 Pembrokeshire Shoemaker
15 Bowen 1779 Glamorgan Cooper
16 brick wall (common name) Carmarthenshire
17 patronymic 1769 Anglesey Farmer
18 patronymic 1754 Anglesey Farmer
19 patronymic 1755 Anglesey Farmer
20 patronymic 1775 Anglesey Farmer
21 patronymic 1743 Anglesey Farmer
22 patronymic 1768 Anglesey Farmer
23 as # 19 - pedigree collapse Anglesey
24 Parry 1774 Anglesey Farmer
25 Roberts abt 1755 Flintshire Farmer
26 brick wall Flintshire
27 Bellis 1754 Flintshire Lead Miner
28 Lewis 1757 Flintshire Lead Miner
29 brick wall (illegitimacy) Denbighshire
30 Davies 1788 Denbighshire Tailor
31 Jones 1779 Caernarfonshire Agricultural Labourer
32 Williams 1790 Caernarfonshire Labourer

I made a list of the women's occupations too. They are mostly widows who were midwives and washer-women. One of my Anglesey 4 x great-grandmothers was farming 400 acres in her own right assisted by three of her fifteen children.

msmarjoribanks
08-22-2018, 08:32 PM
It does look like Shoemaker Journeyman. Could journeyman be interpreted as someone who is employed long term by a master craftsman - rather than someone who moves around looking for work? I have both meanings in my tree.

That's my understanding. I had some journeyman shoemakers (Shropshire) who were not apprentices any more (although they also still reasonably young), but employed by a master shoemaker. I did some research and at least some places the term was used for someone employed by a master shoemaker but no longer an apprentice.

Judith
08-24-2018, 07:44 PM
I think you are all correct in saying shoe something since Nantwich the small country town was known for its shoe and clothing industry. http://nantwichmuseum.org.uk/shoesclothing/
I just couldn’t believe it as an occupation for an 85year old and a 70year old but adjacent pages did give a man of 25 too, when I looked further. It was a home craft rather than factory environment I think.
Thank you everyone who confirmed it.

CJH
08-27-2018, 07:58 PM
Of my known 4th great-grandfathers (this generation are born between 1773 and 1807), one was a clerk in the US Treasury Department, one was a messenger in the General Land Office, one was a lawyer, and the remainder of whom I know anything were farmers (my father's direct male line has been in Washington, DC, since the early 1800's;other lines were in more rural areas, mostly).

JonikW
09-03-2018, 10:13 AM
I've enjoyed reading this thread and decided to try to do mine. I've carried out some deep research on several lines over the years, to the extent that I felt I must have discovered the bulk of my 64 4x great grandparents. This was the first time I'd ever attempted to write out a full tree using a template, and what I discovered surprised me. It turns out that I only know the names of 11 out of 32 4x great grandfathers and 9 of my 4x great grandmothers, although in the latter case one maiden name is missing. So basically, I have info on less than a third of my ancestors that far back (20 out of 64) and the rest are a complete blank. Moreover, I only know a few of their occupations. I think the fact that I've researched some lines back a long way created a false picture in my mind. Can anyone recommend a single source for British records that could help me to rectify this (I have a limited budget for subscriptions). On the bright side, while I was compiling this meagre tree I came across an Irish ancestor that I didn't know about (from Galway). Adding the Irish flag here. I guess I may come across more of these in future given what Lucasz concluded about my ancestry being pan-Isles and my two dots on 23andme.

msmarjoribanks
09-03-2018, 01:27 PM
I don't have as much experience with English records of that era as some, so these are more thoughts.

4 g grandparent is definitely where I started to lose lines.

I just went through again, and I'm now confident I know the names of all 32 3xgreat grandparents (occupations mainly from censuses, with a few exceptions). One married couple was born and died in England, for another couple both were born in Wales, but married and died in the US, and two married couples were both born and died in Sweden. The remaining 24 were all married and died in the US, but two of the ggg grandfathers were born in Ireland.

For the 64 gggg grandparents, I have the names and occupations for the 2 gggg grandfathers in England, and the names of the 2 gggg grandmothers. On one side that's from Church of England parish records and census (that gggg grandfather died in 1851, and his wife later), on the other side it's from non-conformist church records, wills, and a secondary source (a diary of someone in the same non conformist community that mentions some of my relatives from time to time).

The best source for me for English records of this time period has been FindMyPast if the parish records you are interested are on it. A lot of the sites have some free records, so it's worth seeing what you can currently get for free on FamilySearch or MyHeritage.

In addition to the English gggg grandparents, I have 4 (2 couples) born in Wales. One of these immigrated to the US, so I had US census data and naturalization data that was very helpful in leading me to where they were from in Wales and the ship record. The other we had knowledge of the farm they had lived on, which turned out to be true, and a somewhat uncommon first name. They were all in the census records and some parish records (one set were Calvinist Methodists, the other were Anglican), but again wills were helpful. There are pre 1858 wills on the National Library of Wales site.

My newest find is that MyHeritage has a good collection of the Swedish household records, so I think I can identify this level of my 8 gggg grandparents in Sweden, and likely confirm that they were farmers. I got the prior generation this way, but need to follow through.

I do not have the parents (4) for either of my ggg grandfathers who were born in Ireland. I have general place and surnames for one, nothing but his own surname for the other (it does seem likely to be from the North based on where the spelling of the surname seems to be).

The remaining includes one couple born in France but who immigrated to the US. I have census records for them indicating that they were farming, but I don't know anything about where they were from in France or why they left, and have only a first name for the wife.

So that's 11 of 32 couples. The other 21 are all in the US, and I have census records for most of them, some information from county histories, some land records, and the occasional probate record. The best documented (continuing back to prior generations) tend to be those in Quaker records.

I am completely missing (but for assumed surname of the husband) information on 4 of the US couples. I have names and likely occupations for the remaining ones (to some extent guessing at farming based on land records, location).

Phoebe Watts
09-05-2018, 08:25 AM
For 4x great grandparents the parish records are a must. So with Welsh ancestors that's easy - most are on findmypast. I don't know if any subscription service has wide coverage in England yet.

I found that teaming up with (distant) relatives researching in the same area significantly reduced costs - but it did mean losing some freedom to prioritise research.

Have you listed the counties and parishes that need attention I wonder? And are there any natural priorities? - perhaps a relative who is keen to know more about their part of your tree.

JonikW
09-05-2018, 09:15 AM
In particular on my father's side I'd like to trace my 4x from the Capel-y-Ffin and Llanigon area. Their surnames were Watkins and Lewis. I have a well-informed DNA match on that line who still lives in Wales but unfortunately has also been unable to make any real progress. On the other side, my mother was a Jones from Cwmbran. Again the 4x there are a complete blank, with names such as Lewis, Thomas and Evans who may have moved to the area for work. I also have several 4x from SW England that I'd like to trace and an Armstrong line that moved to England from Scotland in the 19th century. I've found my Armstrong 3x g grandfather on a London census with his family (wife was a Butler I was able to discover). He was born in 1819 but the location was listed simply as Scotland...

msmarjoribanks
09-05-2018, 12:35 PM
Definitely check out what's on FindMyPast -- it has good records for some areas in England, as well as Wales. The Shropshire parish records are quite good, and a co-worker of mine (with a less common surname) made great progress (better than mine) for somewhere in the SW, if memory serves (I'm thinking Devon but could be completely wrong about that).

jdchisim
09-09-2018, 10:31 AM
Having just done x3, x4 has substantially more gaps.

Father
1. Chism - Unknown
2. Bell - Farmer, Antrim, Ireland
3. Dornan - Unknown
4. Person Unknown
5. Black Unknown
6. Person Unknown
7. Black - Unknown
8. Person Unknown
9. Goudy - Labourer, Antrim, Ireland
10. Clawson - Labourer, Antrim, Ireland
11. Blaney - Labourer, Tyrone/Derry, Ireland
12. Creamer - Painter, Tyrone/Derry, Ireland
13. T. Rice - Farmer, Fermanagh, Ireland
14. W. Rice - Farmer, Fermanagh, Ireland
15. E. Downey - Farmer, Fermangh, Ireland
16. J. Downey - Farmer, Fermanagh, Ireland

Mother
1. Ross - Butcher, Antrim, Ireland
2. Stewart - Weaver?, Antrim, Ireland
3. Rice - Butcher, Down/Antrim, Ireland
4. Muldoon - ? - Ireland
5. Lockhart - Farmer - Antrim, Ireland
6. Cochran - Labourer/Grower - Antrim, Ireland
7. McKinley - Labourer - Antrim, Ireland
8. Armstrong - Farmer - Antrim? Ireland
9. John - Plasterer - Rhondda Cynon Taf, Wales
10. Needs - Labourer - Somerset, England
11. Hamilton - Labourer - Tyrone, Ireland
12. Irwin - - Labourer - Tyrone, Ireland
13. Lindores - Carpenter - Scotland
14. Unknown
15. Morris - Carpenter - Unknown
16. Blackwood - Gas Fitter - Unknown

JonikW
10-10-2018, 09:50 PM
I hope this is an appropriate place to post this, given my earlier mention of my genealogy efforts at this level. I've said before that my mother was from Wales, with a Welsh surname but some English ancestry, while my father is from England, with an English surname but some Welsh ancestry. I recently found my late mother's first cousin through Gedmatch and he's started filling me in on a lot of the family history. He's just told me what he uncovered about that family's English, Wiltshire, line. It turns out my ggg grandfather there took his mother's surname because he was born illegitimately to a teenage mother in 1806. So my grandfather's maternal line in fact has an unknown surname. The speculation is that the father could have been a navvy on the canal because that was the year it passed through the village. There were several shotgun weddings on that side, but they did all end in marriage. So that's one dead end that I'll presumably never resolve. One thing I'm discovering to my surprise is how free and easy my ancestors were. And I'd been led to believe that all began in the 1960s...