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Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:15 AM
K15 is a calculator with many Jewish populations included. Post your oracle results here.


# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 6.35
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.52
3 South_Polish 8.03
4 Estonian 8.87
5 Polish 9.02
6 Southwest_Russian 9.92
7 Belorussian 10.09
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.44
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
10 Estonian_Polish 11.02
11 Lithuanian 11.06
12 Hungarian 11.91
13 Croatian 12.06
14 Finnish 12.21
15 Moldavian 12.67
16 Kargopol_Russian 13.32
17 East_Finnish 13.44
18 Southwest_Finnish 14
19 Erzya 14.84
20 East_German 15.33


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29


1 Estonian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian @ 6.843214
2 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.933024
3 Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.934488
4 Estonian + Estonian + Estonian + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.939225
5 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.990501
6 Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.105453
7 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.192209
8 Estonian + Estonian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.192284
9 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian @ 7.233502
10 Estonian + Estonian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 7.250309
11 Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.287818
12 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.330347
13 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.351576
14 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.356470
15 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.361375
16 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.363062
17 Estonian + Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.366961
18 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.373354
19 Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 7.391855
20 Estonian + Estonian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.411964

emc
10-11-2017, 01:20 AM
I don't know what's your point with this thread, but I always found weird to see some "jewish" in my oracles, given that I don't have any known Jewish ancestry...
These are my results:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.16
2 Portuguese 8.21
3 Spanish_Extremadura 8.67
4 Spanish_Murcia 8.79
5 Spanish_Galicia 8.81
6 Tuscan 9.24
7 Spanish_Cataluna 9.79
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.84
9 Spanish_Andalucia 11.29
10 Spanish_Valencia 11.63
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.36
12 French 13.12
13 Spanish_Cantabria 13.38
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.85
15 West_Sicilian 15.13
16 Southwest_French 15.31
17 Italian_Abruzzo 15.53
18 Greek_Thessaly 15.71
19 Serbian 17.55
20 Romanian 17.58

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.1% Spanish_Galicia + 15.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.68
2 85.4% Portuguese + 14.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.69
3 76.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 23.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.73
4 74.4% Spanish_Galicia + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.8
5 85.5% Portuguese + 14.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.87
6 72.2% Spanish_Galicia + 27.8% South_Italian @ 4.88
7 76.6% Portuguese + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.94
8 74.4% Portuguese + 25.6% South_Italian @ 4.96
9 84.3% Spanish_Galicia + 15.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.97
10 51.7% Spanish_Galicia + 48.3% Tuscan @ 5.05
11 71.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 28.1% Italian_Jewish @ 5.06
12 85.2% Portuguese + 14.8% Samaritan @ 5.06
13 81.6% Spanish_Galicia + 18.4% Cyprian @ 5.13
14 54.5% Portuguese + 45.5% Tuscan @ 5.13
15 83.2% Portuguese + 16.8% Cyprian @ 5.14
16 81.1% Portuguese + 18.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.16
17 76.5% Spanish_Galicia + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.17
18 81.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.2% Samaritan @ 5.19
19 86.7% Portuguese + 13.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.19
20 66.6% Spanish_Galicia + 33.4% West_Sicilian @ 5.19

1 Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.136393
2 French + Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.151567
3 Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.152555
4 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.183410
5 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.200840
6 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.202585
7 French + Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Portuguese @ 5.231678
8 Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.241180
9 French + Libyan_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.243780
10 Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.248353
11 French + Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.252092
12 French + Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.279253
13 Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.281268
14 Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 5.291353
15 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.300409
16 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.306194
17 French + Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.306554
18 Libyan_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.309094
19 French + Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.310801
20 Italian_Jewish + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.316386

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 05:46 AM
@emc so you are saying that you don't have any Jewish ancestors but still scoring % Jewish with K15? Is your results with trusted autosomal test also not showing Jewish?

emc
10-11-2017, 10:40 AM
@emc so you are saying that you don't have any Jewish ancestors but still scoring % Jewish with K15? Is your results with trusted autosomal test also not showing Jewish?

Exactly. My maternal grandfather had a surname of supposed converso origin, but even if it was true, I guess it would be very remote to show up, and I think it should be sephardic, right? MyHeritage says I'm 7.7% AJ, Gencove says I'm 10% AJ and DNA.land says I'm 12%. I read once that Italian ancestry is sometimes mistaken by Ashkenazi, so I think it's because of that,

lukaszM
10-11-2017, 10:51 AM
In case of two populations oracles it always seeks two quite distant references to make some results which is roughly similar or closest to your component values.

Few people are 100% Estonian Pole as in your example, unless they are exactly of this ancestry. So in your case oracle added some exotic percentage to very NE-Euro Estonian Pole reference, to make you more average Pole.

In K15 it's not the case but I have similar situation in K13 for example.

lukaszM
10-11-2017, 10:58 AM
My K15. Oracle gives me some North Caucasian in 2_Oracle, in 4-ORacle my results are normal. Also I included K15 nMonte.
What is your Oracle-4 in K15?


Oracle-2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 2.33
2 Estonian_Polish 2.81
3 Belorussian 3.12
4 Southwest_Russian 3.63
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 3.75
6 Polish 5.22
7 South_Polish 6.59
8 Lithuanian 6.62
9 Ukrainian 7.7
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.25
11 Estonian 9.27
12 Kargopol_Russian 9.69
13 Erzya 11.36
14 Croatian 11.59
15 East_Finnish 13.75
16 Moldavian 14.04
17 Finnish 14.76
18 Hungarian 15.16
19 Southwest_Finnish 15.28
20 Austrian 15.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% North_Ossetian @ 1.77
2 96.4% Estonian_Polish + 3.6% Abhkasian @ 1.79
3 96.3% Estonian_Polish + 3.7% Georgian @ 1.8
4 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Adygei @ 1.81
5 95.6% Estonian_Polish + 4.4% Kabardin @ 1.85
6 95.6% Estonian_Polish + 4.4% Chechen @ 1.85
7 96% Estonian_Polish + 4% Ossetian @ 1.86
8 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Balkar @ 1.87
9 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Kumyk @ 1.98
10 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Lezgin @ 2
11 62.9% Russian_Smolensk + 37.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.03
12 95.9% Estonian_Polish + 4.1% Tabassaran @ 2.09
13 63% Estonian_Polish + 37% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.16
14 88.3% Russian_Smolensk + 11.7% Lithuanian @ 2.18
15 73.8% Russian_Smolensk + 26.2% Belorussian @ 2.19
16 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.2
17 96.9% Estonian_Polish + 3.1% Armenian @ 2.21
18 82.9% Russian_Smolensk + 17.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.25
19 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Kurdish @ 2.25
20 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Iranian @ 2.25



Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Smolensk @ 2.561591
2 Estonian_Polish @ 3.168669
3 Belorussian @ 3.530670
4 Southwest_Russian @ 4.039483
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.290285
6 Polish @ 6.025050
7 Lithuanian @ 7.541246
8 South_Polish @ 7.589679
9 Ukrainian @ 8.827595
10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 9.522902
11 Kargopol_Russian @ 10.494784
12 Estonian @ 10.599545
13 Erzya @ 12.609409
14 Croatian @ 13.299293
15 East_Finnish @ 14.944500
16 Moldavian @ 16.129957
17 Finnish @ 16.618792
18 La_Brana-1 @ 17.026476
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.477121
20 Hungarian @ 17.515644

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +50% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.216892


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.124491


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.117628
2 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.124491
3 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.205514
4 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.216892
5 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.232244
6 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.279731
7 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.294672
8 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.321060
9 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.391739
10 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.412988
11 Belorussian + Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.421382
12 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.445612
13 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.454192
14 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.459185
15 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.474267
16 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.488258
17 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.494692
18 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.504669
19 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.510432
20 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.544165


nMonte
Estonian_Polish 75.45
Russian_Smolensk 10.65
Lithuanian 7.55
North_Ossetian 3.55
Belorussian 1.65
Somali 0.60
French_Basque 0.25
Chechen 0.10
Ukrainian_Belgorod 0.10
Yoruban 0.10

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 11:04 AM
Exactly. My maternal grandfather had a surname of supposed converso origin, but even if it was true, I guess it would be very remote to show up, and I think it should be sephardic, right? MyHeritage says I'm 7.7% AJ, Gencove says I'm 10% AJ and DNA.land says I'm 12%. I read once that Italian ancestry is sometimes mistaken by Ashkenazi, so I think it's because of that,

You never know could be real?

I am getting...

8-12% Iberian/Sardinian

4-9% Eastern Mediterranean/Balkan/Mediterranean Islander

0% Ashkenazi with Ancestry, Dnaland, WeGene, Geneplaza, Gencove.

I score 2.9% Ashkenazi with MyHeritage

Nive1526
10-11-2017, 11:13 AM
Oracle:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.98
2 French 8.03
3 South_Dutch 8.38
4 Southwest_English 9.34
5 Southeast_English 10.68
6 North_Dutch 10.88
7 North_German 11.17
8 Danish 11.98
9 Irish 12.21
10 Norwegian 12.21
11 Orcadian 12.3
12 Swedish 12.56
13 East_German 12.56
14 West_Scottish 12.66
15 West_Norwegian 13.2
16 Spanish_Galicia 13.87
17 Hungarian 14.71
18 North_Swedish 15.28
19 Spanish_Cataluna 15.4
20 Portuguese 15.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.7% West_German + 5.3% Sardinian @ 4.42
2 86.3% West_German + 13.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.53
3 89.3% West_German + 10.7% Portuguese @ 4.66
4 90.1% West_German + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.67
5 92.1% West_German + 7.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.73
6 92.4% West_German + 7.6% North_Italian @ 4.75
7 90.7% West_German + 9.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.75
8 91.9% West_German + 8.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.75
9 81.9% West_German + 18.1% French @ 4.78
10 93.9% West_German + 6.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.8
11 92.9% West_German + 7.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.8
12 94.1% West_German + 5.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.81
13 99% West_German + 1% Papuan @ 4.81
14 93.8% West_German + 6.2% Southwest_French @ 4.81
15 97.1% West_German + 2.9% Moroccan @ 4.82
16 94.1% West_German + 5.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.83
17 94.7% West_German + 5.3% Tuscan @ 4.83
18 97.2% West_German + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.84
19 94.2% West_German + 5.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.84
20 98.9% West_German + 1.1% NAN_Melanesian @ 4.85

Oracle 4:
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 5.550035
2 French @ 9.218991
3 South_Dutch @ 9.629653
4 Southwest_English @ 10.775503
5 Southeast_English @ 12.278201
6 North_Dutch @ 12.409994
7 North_German @ 12.687652
8 Danish @ 13.650405
9 Norwegian @ 13.970822
10 Irish @ 13.984384
11 Orcadian @ 14.147390
12 Swedish @ 14.309051
13 West_Scottish @ 14.518823
14 East_German @ 14.521925
15 West_Norwegian @ 15.117925
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.826862
17 Hungarian @ 16.988859
18 North_Swedish @ 17.444773
19 Portuguese @ 17.811918
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.836416

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 5.550035


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 5.550035


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.321383
2 French + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.392836
3 Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.431281
4 Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.448535
5 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German @ 5.546152
6 West_German + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.550035
7 Portuguese + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.624571
8 North_Italian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.662758
9 North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German @ 5.676291
10 Portuguese + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.727392
11 North_Italian + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.843830
12 Norwegian + Portuguese + West_German + West_German @ 5.868400
13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.887010
14 Portuguese + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 5.935018
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.953039
16 North_Italian + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 5.970582
17 French + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_German @ 5.972502
18 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + West_German @ 5.990506
19 Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 5.997509
20 Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 6.015418

5% AJ on Jtest, none on Geneplaza and Gencove.

emc
10-11-2017, 11:18 AM
You never know could be real?

I am getting...

8-12% Iberian/Sardinian

4-9% Eastern Mediterranean/Balkan/Mediterranean Islander

0% Ashkenazi with Ancestry, Dnaland, WeGene, Geneplaza, Gencove.

I score 2.9% Ashkenazi with MyHeritage

Well, the thing is... I don't know! It can be real or not, but unfortunately Autosomal tests can't confirm or deny it. Lukasz has a point: I don't know about your ancestry, but I'm mixed. I'm only Portuguese and Italian, but neither of my parents is "pure", they are both mixed too. So I'm not exactly Italian nor Portuguese. Maybe there's some part of my data that the Oracle can't explain and thus it's interpreted as Jewish.

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 11:29 AM
Well, the thing is... I don't know! It can be real or not, but unfortunately Autosomal tests can't confirm or deny it. Lukasz has a point: I don't know about your ancestry, but I'm mixed. I'm only Portuguese and Italian, but neither of my parents is "pure", they are both mixed too. So I'm not exactly Italian nor Portuguese. Maybe there's some part of my data that the Oracle can't explain and thus it's interpreted as Jewish.

I am 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Jewish

6 Polish/Ukrainian great-grandparents

1 Bulgarian great-grandparent

1 Sephardic or (Pan-Jewish?) great-grandparent

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 11:33 AM
Well, the thing is... I don't know! It can be real or not, but unfortunately Autosomal tests can't confirm or deny it. Lukasz has a point: I don't know about your ancestry, but I'm mixed. I'm only Portuguese and Italian, but neither of my parents is "pure", they are both mixed too. So I'm not exactly Italian nor Portuguese. Maybe there's some part of my data that the Oracle can't explain and thus it's interpreted as Jewish.

I understand with south-euro DNA there is a calculator overlap effect with AJ but you still getting 7.7-12% AJ. I mean it's more than 1 source showing also, for me it's only showing Ashkenazi from MyHeritage.

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 11:45 AM
My K15. Oracle gives me some North Caucasian in 2_Oracle, in 4-ORacle my results are normal. Also I included K15 nMonte.
What is your Oracle-4 in K15?


Oracle-2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 2.33
2 Estonian_Polish 2.81
3 Belorussian 3.12
4 Southwest_Russian 3.63
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 3.75
6 Polish 5.22
7 South_Polish 6.59
8 Lithuanian 6.62
9 Ukrainian 7.7
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.25
11 Estonian 9.27
12 Kargopol_Russian 9.69
13 Erzya 11.36
14 Croatian 11.59
15 East_Finnish 13.75
16 Moldavian 14.04
17 Finnish 14.76
18 Hungarian 15.16
19 Southwest_Finnish 15.28
20 Austrian 15.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% North_Ossetian @ 1.77
2 96.4% Estonian_Polish + 3.6% Abhkasian @ 1.79
3 96.3% Estonian_Polish + 3.7% Georgian @ 1.8
4 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Adygei @ 1.81
5 95.6% Estonian_Polish + 4.4% Kabardin @ 1.85
6 95.6% Estonian_Polish + 4.4% Chechen @ 1.85
7 96% Estonian_Polish + 4% Ossetian @ 1.86
8 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Balkar @ 1.87
9 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Kumyk @ 1.98
10 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Lezgin @ 2
11 62.9% Russian_Smolensk + 37.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.03
12 95.9% Estonian_Polish + 4.1% Tabassaran @ 2.09
13 63% Estonian_Polish + 37% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.16
14 88.3% Russian_Smolensk + 11.7% Lithuanian @ 2.18
15 73.8% Russian_Smolensk + 26.2% Belorussian @ 2.19
16 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.2
17 96.9% Estonian_Polish + 3.1% Armenian @ 2.21
18 82.9% Russian_Smolensk + 17.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.25
19 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Kurdish @ 2.25
20 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Iranian @ 2.25



Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Smolensk @ 2.561591
2 Estonian_Polish @ 3.168669
3 Belorussian @ 3.530670
4 Southwest_Russian @ 4.039483
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.290285
6 Polish @ 6.025050
7 Lithuanian @ 7.541246
8 South_Polish @ 7.589679
9 Ukrainian @ 8.827595
10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 9.522902
11 Kargopol_Russian @ 10.494784
12 Estonian @ 10.599545
13 Erzya @ 12.609409
14 Croatian @ 13.299293
15 East_Finnish @ 14.944500
16 Moldavian @ 16.129957
17 Finnish @ 16.618792
18 La_Brana-1 @ 17.026476
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.477121
20 Hungarian @ 17.515644

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +50% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.216892


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.124491


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.117628
2 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.124491
3 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.205514
4 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.216892
5 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.232244
6 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.279731
7 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.294672
8 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.321060
9 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.391739
10 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.412988
11 Belorussian + Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.421382
12 Belorussian + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.445612
13 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.454192
14 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.459185
15 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.474267
16 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.488258
17 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.494692
18 Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian @ 2.504669
19 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.510432
20 Estonian_Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.544165


nMonte
Estonian_Polish 75.45
Russian_Smolensk 10.65
Lithuanian 7.55
North_Ossetian 3.55
Belorussian 1.65
Somali 0.60
French_Basque 0.25
Chechen 0.10
Ukrainian_Belgorod 0.10
Yoruban 0.10

Oracle 4 I posted or is this 1?

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.287818


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Lithuanian @ 6.843214

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 11:57 AM
@lukaszM my maternal babcia she was born in Ukraine there in 1932. I'm sure I would get large amount of my Baltic from her to see some Estonian as closest % not a surprise for me I obviously not a perfect match with them but I not that distant either especially if is Estonia/Polish sample.

I score second highest Baltic score also I remember only less than yours from what I observed scores.

emc
10-11-2017, 12:03 PM
I understand with south-euro DNA there is a calculator overlap effect with AJ but you still getting 7.7-12% AJ. I mean it's more than 1 source showing also, for me it's only showing Ashkenazi from MyHeritage.

Ah, so you have known Jewish ancestry, that's different. My case is more complicated because, like you said, Southern Europeans are closer to Middle Easterns I guess...

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:12 PM
Ah, so you have known Jewish ancestry, that's different. My case is more complicated because, like you said, Southern Europeans are closer to Middle Easterns I guess...

Southern-Euro is overlap close with AJ, Sephardim, Italkim I believe than MENA that's why is harder to pinpoint you have diverse gene pool. With Polish people we have mostly Slavic DNA so when is something foreign added to gene pool is more simple detected.

SSlava
10-11-2017, 12:13 PM
You never know could be real?

I am getting...

8-12% Iberian/Sardinian

4-9% Eastern Mediterranean/Balkan/Mediterranean Islander

0% Ashkenazi with Ancestry, Dnaland, WeGene, Geneplaza, Gencove.

I score 2.9% Ashkenazi with MyHeritage

Among southern Russians and Ukrainians, there are 1-6 percent components of "ASHKENAZI".

I have 3.9 percent of "ASHKENAZI"


# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 32.59
2 EAST_EURO 23.31
3 ATLANTIC 14.99
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 14.34
5 WEST_MED 7.42
6 ASHKENAZI 3.99
7 WEST_ASIAN 2.8
8 EAST_MED 0.25
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.23
10 SIBERIAN 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Russian 4.62
2 Northwest_Russian 5.26
3 Belorussian 5.37
4 UA 5.43
5 PL 5.64
6 Ukrainian-Russian 5.7
7 LIT 7.7
8 EE 8.33
9 East_Russian 12.07
10 North_Russian 12.51
11 Erzya 14.01
12 South_Finnish 14.44
13 East_Finnish 15.04
14 HU 15.27
15 AT 19.17
16 North_Swedish 20.32
17 Serbian 21.28
18 South_&_Central_Swedish 22.17
19 RO 22.65
20 Udmurt 23.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.7% Northwest_Russian + 9.3% French_Basque @ 3.05
2 93.4% Northwest_Russian + 6.6% Sardinian @ 3.29
3 89.5% Northwest_Russian + 10.5% ES @ 3.34
4 89.3% Northwest_Russian + 10.7% North_Italian @ 3.49
5 89.7% Northwest_Russian + 10.3% PT @ 3.53
6 88.4% Northwest_Russian + 11.6% FR @ 3.55
7 79.3% Northwest_Russian + 20.7% HU @ 3.55
8 83.7% Northwest_Russian + 16.3% AT @ 3.78
9 72.1% West_Russian + 27.9% LIT @ 3.83
10 91.4% Northwest_Russian + 8.6% Tuscan @ 3.89
11 58.8% West_Russian + 41.2% Northwest_Russian @ 3.9
12 53.6% Northwest_Russian + 46.4% PL @ 3.94
13 86.5% Northwest_Russian + 13.5% RO @ 3.95
14 88.7% Northwest_Russian + 11.3% Cornish @ 4
15 93.7% Northwest_Russian + 6.3% Moroccan @ 4.06
16 51.8% Northwest_Russian + 48.2% UA @ 4.07
17 89.3% Northwest_Russian + 10.7% IE @ 4.15
18 89.1% Northwest_Russian + 10.9% Orcadian @ 4.18
19 89.6% Northwest_Russian + 10.4% Scottish @ 4.19
20 88.6% Northwest_Russian + 11.4% NL @ 4.21

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:15 PM
Among southern Russians and Ukrainians, there are 1-6 components of AJ.

I have 3.9 percent of AJ

What is the 6 components?

3.9% from what test?

SSlava
10-11-2017, 12:20 PM
What is the 6 components?

3.9% from what test?

I meant the Ashkenazi component in the JTest calculator.

SSlava
10-11-2017, 12:22 PM
On the site of FTDNA, it shows 0 percent of Ashkenazi. Although by the way, I have some matches with the Jews.
But by the way, a few of the Russians have matches with Ashkenazi. Where they come from, it's not entirely clear)).
More precisely, even many people have matches with Jews))

No Jews were found in the pedigree.

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:23 PM
I meant the Ashkenazi component in the JTest calculator.

I score 3.25% Ashkenazi with Jtest

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:25 PM
On the site of FTDNA, it shows 0 percent of Ashkenazi. Although by the way, I have some matches with the Jews.
But by the way, a few of the Russians have matches with Ashkenazi. Where they come from, it's not entirely clear)).
No Jews were found in the pedigree.

I have matches with Sephardi, AJ or people who claim "mixed" Jewish

SSlava
10-11-2017, 12:31 PM
I have matches with Sephardi, AJ or people who claim "mixed" Jewish


I have matches even with so-called "clean" Jews.



From where do such matches undertake))? At whom many matches happen to Jews, no Jews in a family tree are found in those people.

At me about 20 - 30 matches with Jews are on one small site of a chromosome..

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:35 PM
I have matches even with so-called "clean" Jews.



From where do such matches undertake))? At whom many matches happen to Jews, no Jews in a family tree are found in those people.

At me about 20 - 30 matches with Jews are on one small site of a chromosome..

My Jewish matches is from Ancestry DNA website

SSlava
10-11-2017, 12:37 PM
My Jewish matches is from Ancestry DNA website

Hmm, I have such a feeling that the Jews have once taken some genes for example from the southern part of European Russia)).

I have matches on the site of FTDNA and Gedmatch

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 12:42 PM
Hmm, I have such a feeling that the Jews have once taken some genes for example from the southern part of European Russia)).

I have matches on the site of FTDNA and Gedmatch

They take 10% Slavic DNA with them and go and now telling me MyHeritage website I am 2.9% AJ

Mixed
10-11-2017, 01:07 PM
I'm showing quite a bit. I have a few matches on 23&me but have no known Jewish ancestors. 23&me claims I had one born sometime in the 1700s. These oracles are showing close distances.


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.49
2 Mediterranean 31.34
3 Caucasian 11.27
4 SW_Asian 3.76
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.81
6 Amerindian 1.11


Finished reading population data. 157 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 4.394051
2 French @ 4.759648
3 South_German @ 5.088157
4 Utahn_White @ 5.953269
5 Croatian @ 6.990813
6 Hungarian @ 8.308518
7 Bosnian @ 8.587337
8 Irish @ 8.769487
9 Macedonian @ 8.792412
10 Austrian @ 9.025528
11 English @ 9.041526
12 Orcadian @ 9.470551
13 Slovenian @ 9.534076
14 Romanian @ 9.909824
15 Bulgarian @ 10.577762
16 Scottish @ 11.013236
17 North_German @ 11.186889
18 Montenegrin @ 12.488993
19 Norwegian @ 12.681651
20 Spaniard @ 14.655254

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Montenegrin @ 1.840725


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Swedish +25% French +25% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.435051


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Belarusian + Serbian + Bulgarian + Portuguese @ 1.292258
2 Lithuanian + Macedonian + Macedonian + Portuguese @ 1.341408
3 Belarusian + Serbian + Romanian + Portuguese @ 1.391244
4 Polish + Norwegian + French + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.416289
5 Swedish + Norwegian + South_German + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.428441
6 Belarusian + Serbian + Montenegrin + Portuguese @ 1.430973
7 Swedish + Swedish + French + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.435051
8 Norwegian + Norwegian + North_German + Sephardic_Jew @ 1.456067
9 Norwegian + North_German + Orcadian + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.461304
10 Belarusian + Serbian + Macedonian + Portuguese @ 1.461470
11 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Sephardic_Jew @ 1.461579
12 Lithuanian + Macedonian + Bulgarian + Portuguese @ 1.467446
13 Belarusian + English + French + Sicilian @ 1.472885
14 Norwegian + North_German + English + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.478252
15 Polish + North_German + French + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.479018
16 Lithuanian + French + French + Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.481594
17 Lithuanian + Macedonian + Romanian + Portuguese @ 1.487658
18 Belarusian + Slovenian + Portuguese + Albanian @ 1.495780
19 Norwegian + Norwegian + Scottish + Sephardic_Jew @ 1.500124
20 Lithuanian + Croatian + Portuguese + Albanian @ 1.513553

2 Oracles

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% Norwegian + 28.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.49
2 74.3% Norwegian + 25.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.52
3 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Sicilian @ 1.55
4 71.6% Croatian + 28.4% Portuguese @ 1.67
5 74.2% North_German + 25.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.67
6 68.7% Swedish + 31.3% Sicilian @ 1.75
7 62.6% Norwegian + 37.4% Albanian @ 1.77
8 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Norwegian @ 1.78
9 75.1% North_German + 24.9% Sicilian @ 1.78
10 77.4% Orcadian + 22.6% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.78
11 67.7% Swedish + 32.3% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.79
12 76.7% North_German + 23.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.83
13 79.7% Orcadian + 20.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.83
14 50.3% Montenegrin + 49.7% Norwegian @ 1.86
15 70.6% Swedish + 29.4% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.88
16 58% Swedish + 42% Albanian @ 1.89
17 91.7% South_German + 8.3% Syrian @ 1.92
18 78.3% Orcadian + 21.7% Sicilian @ 1.93
19 92.6% South_German + 7.4% Yemenese @ 1.94
20 52.9% North_German + 47.1% Montenegrin @ 1.95

lukaszM
10-11-2017, 01:36 PM
Southern-Euro is overlap close with AJ, Sephardim, Italkim I believe than MENA that's why is harder to pinpoint you have diverse gene pool. With Polish people we have mostly Slavic DNA so when is something foreign added to gene pool is more simple detected.

I'm not sure. In case of Askhenazi they have some Central-East Euro genetic similarities with Poles, Lithuanians and East-Slavs. Some common relatives with them in most cases is their similarity to some Central-East Euro genepool, not the opposite. But it's my opinion.

But if you cluster with Sephardim it's more likely really Jewish ancestry.

SSlava
10-11-2017, 01:41 PM
But if you cluster with Sephardim it's more likely really Jewish ancestry.

I only have Ashkenazi, as I know.

Well, here's a controversial issue)).

SSlava
10-11-2017, 01:44 PM
I'm not sure. In case of Askhenazi they have some Central-East Euro genetic similarities with Poles, Lithuanians and East-Slavs. Some common relatives with them in most cases is their similarity to some Central-East Euro genepool, not the opposite. But it's my opinion.

But if you cluster with Sephardim it's more likely really Jewish ancestry.

In general, I still have a lot of West European matches (the British are all sorts). I have hundreds of such matches. Where do they come from? I think common genes in antiquity go))?

SSlava
10-11-2017, 01:52 PM
Well, if you briefly say, representatives of many European countries I have in matches.

But the Finns I have little in matches for example (in the northern Russian they prevail in matches), but a lot of incomprehensible Western Europeans.

I have almost all the matches, except for south-western Europe or southern, for example Spain, Italy (with them only two three matches like).

lukaszM
10-11-2017, 02:04 PM
Well, if you briefly say, representatives of many European countries I have in matches.

But the Finns I have little in matches for example (in the northern Russian they prevail in matches), but a lot of incomprehensible Western Europeans.

I have almost all the matches, except for south-western Europe or southern, for example Spain, Italy (with them only two three matches like).

If those Western matches are below 10-11 cM are most likely false positives, there are similar becasue most Euro people have some tiny % in common. In Gedmatch matches above 20 are rather indication of common ancestry. Between 10-20 could be both I think.

lukaszM
10-11-2017, 02:13 PM
Here is one-to-many for Nganassan results which I added (they live in north Siberia). What is probablity this particular person really has Karakalpak (Central Asian) relative and Oroqen (NE-China) in the same time? Both those samples are from official papers, so there are pure. Nganassan also.

So we must take Gedmatch relatives with big grain of salt if they were below 20.

https://s1.postimg.org/4ebtbnf067/Bez-nazwy-1.jpg

Bobbyjohnson88
10-11-2017, 02:13 PM
I'm not sure. In case of Askhenazi they have some Central-East Euro genetic similarities with Poles, Lithuanians and East-Slavs. Some common relatives with them in most cases is their similarity to some Central-East Euro genepool, not the opposite. But it's my opinion.

But if you cluster with Sephardim it's more likely really Jewish ancestry.

When I see for example 89.7% Estonian_Polish I would assume there will be small % average of Jewish genetics included with Estonian_Polish will not speculate on the average for sample used + 10.3% Sephardic_Jewish is additional to some Jewish that would exist in Estonian_Polish

Is this this right or no? Is there better calculator I can use?

SSlava
10-11-2017, 04:19 PM
If those Western matches are below 10-11 cM are most likely false positives, there are similar becasue most Euro people have some tiny % in common. In Gedmatch matches above 20 are rather indication of common ancestry. Between 10-20 could be both I think.

As I looked, in Gedmatch I have about 250 European matches from 10 cM and more.
Incidentally, there are several dozen Ashkenazi Jews among them.

Nive1526
10-11-2017, 04:22 PM
So we must take Gedmatch relatives with big grain of salt if they were below 20.


I'm currently struggling with my genesis results aswell. Do you mean 20cM total shared or single segments with 20cM length?

SSlava
10-11-2017, 04:22 PM
If those Western matches are below 10-11 cM are most likely false positives, there are similar becasue most Euro people have some tiny % in common. In Gedmatch matches above 20 are rather indication of common ancestry. Between 10-20 could be both I think.

Among them there are about several Western Europeans I have with cM more than 15 (in some, up to 20 comes)
It seems these people from somewhere in Holland, judging by their names))

In calculators shows also their Germanic origin.

selectivememri
10-11-2017, 04:33 PM
hey, decided to post mine as well

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.92
2 Bulgarian 4.31
3 Serbian 6.2
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.63
5 Moldavian 10.54
6 Greek 10.71
7 Croatian 12.86
8 Hungarian 13.38
9 Austrian 13.81
10 Tuscan 14.28
11 Ashkenazi 15.02
12 Italian_Abruzzo 15.11
13 Central_Greek 15.56
14 North_Italian 15.58
15 East_Sicilian 16.53
16 West_Sicilian 16.76
17 East_German 17.71
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.5
19 South_Polish 19.18
20 South_Italian 19.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Central_Greek + 44.5% Ukrainian @ 2.18
2 68.8% Moldavian + 31.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.25
3 60% Moldavian + 40% Central_Greek @ 2.44
4 69.6% Moldavian + 30.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.5
5 70% Moldavian + 30% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
6 65.1% Moldavian + 34.9% South_Italian @ 2.58
7 72.3% Greek_Thessaly + 27.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.63
8 70.5% Greek_Thessaly + 29.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.72
9 61.6% Moldavian + 38.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.73
10 55.3% Central_Greek + 44.7% South_Polish @ 2.73
11 70% Greek_Thessaly + 30% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.75
12 50.2% South_Italian + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 2.76
13 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Polish @ 2.77
14 59.2% Moldavian + 40.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.79
15 50.4% Moldavian + 49.6% Greek @ 2.83
16 54% East_Sicilian + 46% Ukrainian @ 2.87
17 54.4% Central_Greek + 45.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.94
18 73.6% Greek_Thessaly + 26.4% Erzya @ 2.94
19 54.1% Croatian + 45.9% Ashkenazi @ 2.98
20 59.5% Moldavian + 40.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.99


sing 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Italian +50% Ukrainian @ 3.099230


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Erzya +25% Hungarian @ 2.444349


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Italian @ 1.969616
2 Cyprian + Serbian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.104407
3 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Romanian @ 2.125088
4 Ashkenazi + Greek + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.156980
5 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian @ 2.162959
6 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.184377
7 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.184482
8 Croatian + Cyprian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 2.225000
9 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Serbian @ 2.230495
10 Central_Greek + Erzya + Hungarian + South_Italian @ 2.235209
11 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian @ 2.244479
12 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.316544
13 East_Sicilian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian @ 2.321632
14 Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Serbian + South_Italian @ 2.324016
15 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian @ 2.334329
16 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian @ 2.379286
17 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.390171
18 Italian_Jewish + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 2.398874
19 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian + West_Sicilian @ 2.401069
20 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Romanian @ 2.407353

in my case the north east shifted components are offset by a more south west shifted (italian jewish and moldovan), i think it has to do with what another user previously said about it being harder to separate threads of southern euro ancestry...

Mixed
10-11-2017, 04:38 PM
Lukas do you think this is legit? I am show 6% Sephardic on FT.


1 NE_European 48.49
2 Mediterranean 31.34
3 Caucasian 11.27
4 SW_Asian 3.76
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.81
6 Amerindian 1.11
7 Omo_River 0.86
8 Oceanian 0.58
9 Siberian 0.42
10 S_Indian 0.36

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.98
2 French 4.41
3 South_German 4.68
4 Utahn_White 5.44
5 Croatian 6.4
6 Hungarian 7.58
7 Bosnian 7.76
8 Macedonian 7.92
9 Irish 7.95
10 English 8.17
11 Austrian 8.21
12 Orcadian 8.56
13 Slovenian 8.68
14 Romanian 8.96
15 Bulgarian 9.55
16 Scottish 9.93
17 North_German 10.11
18 Montenegrin 11.31
19 Norwegian 11.44
20 Italian 13.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% Norwegian + 28.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.49
2 74.3% Norwegian + 25.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.52
3 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Sicilian @ 1.55
4 71.6% Croatian + 28.4% Portuguese @ 1.67
5 74.2% North_German + 25.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.67
6 68.7% Swedish + 31.3% Sicilian @ 1.75
7 62.6% Norwegian + 37.4% Albanian @ 1.77
8 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Norwegian @ 1.78
9 75.1% North_German + 24.9% Sicilian @ 1.78
10 77.4% Orcadian + 22.6% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.78
11 67.7% Swedish + 32.3% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.79
12 76.7% North_German + 23.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.83
13 79.7% Orcadian + 20.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.83
14 50.3% Montenegrin + 49.7% Norwegian @ 1.86
15 70.6% Swedish + 29.4% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.88
16 58% Swedish + 42% Albanian @ 1.89
17 91.7% South_German + 8.3% Syrian @ 1.92
18 78.3% Orcadian + 21.7% Sicilian @ 1.93
19 92.6% South_German + 7.4% Yemenese @ 1.94
20 52.9% North_German + 47.1% Montenegrin @ 1.95

lukaszM
10-11-2017, 06:27 PM
Lukas do you think this is legit? I am show 6% Sephardic on FT.


1 NE_European 48.49
2 Mediterranean 31.34
3 Caucasian 11.27
4 SW_Asian 3.76
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.81
6 Amerindian 1.11
7 Omo_River 0.86
8 Oceanian 0.58
9 Siberian 0.42
10 S_Indian 0.36

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.98
2 French 4.41
3 South_German 4.68
4 Utahn_White 5.44
5 Croatian 6.4
6 Hungarian 7.58
7 Bosnian 7.76
8 Macedonian 7.92
9 Irish 7.95
10 English 8.17
11 Austrian 8.21
12 Orcadian 8.56
13 Slovenian 8.68
14 Romanian 8.96
15 Bulgarian 9.55
16 Scottish 9.93
17 North_German 10.11
18 Montenegrin 11.31
19 Norwegian 11.44
20 Italian 13.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% Norwegian + 28.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.49
2 74.3% Norwegian + 25.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.52
3 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Sicilian @ 1.55
4 71.6% Croatian + 28.4% Portuguese @ 1.67
5 74.2% North_German + 25.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.67
6 68.7% Swedish + 31.3% Sicilian @ 1.75
7 62.6% Norwegian + 37.4% Albanian @ 1.77
8 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Norwegian @ 1.78
9 75.1% North_German + 24.9% Sicilian @ 1.78
10 77.4% Orcadian + 22.6% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.78
11 67.7% Swedish + 32.3% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.79
12 76.7% North_German + 23.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.83
13 79.7% Orcadian + 20.3% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.83
14 50.3% Montenegrin + 49.7% Norwegian @ 1.86
15 70.6% Swedish + 29.4% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.88
16 58% Swedish + 42% Albanian @ 1.89
17 91.7% South_German + 8.3% Syrian @ 1.92
18 78.3% Orcadian + 21.7% Sicilian @ 1.93
19 92.6% South_German + 7.4% Yemenese @ 1.94
20 52.9% North_German + 47.1% Montenegrin @ 1.95

You are sure about Italian, not Jewish yes? But looks like Italian mixed with Northern Euro is treated like Askhenazy by this oracle.

ianz91
10-11-2017, 06:53 PM
Eurogenes K15? The EU Test V2 one right?

Here are my results, no Jewish though.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.20
2 Atlantic 24.71
3 West_Med 12.43
4 Baltic 11.69
5 Eastern_Euro 9.15
6 East_Med 5.04
7 Red_Sea 2.93


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 6.532762
2 West_German @ 6.574605
3 Southwest_English @ 7.555341
4 Southeast_English @ 8.563396
5 French @ 8.952929
6 North_Dutch @ 9.353450
7 North_German @ 9.463213
8 Danish @ 9.598446
9 Irish @ 10.329236
10 West_Scottish @ 10.670891
11 Norwegian @ 10.958657
12 Orcadian @ 11.694252
13 Swedish @ 11.877725
14 East_German @ 12.196556
15 West_Norwegian @ 12.652584
16 North_Swedish @ 13.602221
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.379185
18 Hungarian @ 16.432808
19 Austrian @ 16.723839
20 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.379511

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Galicia +50% Swedish @ 4.113973


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% South_Dutch +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.735094


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 3.389462
2 French + North_Swedish + Portuguese + West_Norwegian @ 3.546039
3 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.554607
4 French + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 3.562315
5 French + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 3.617362
6 French + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.624135
7 French + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.629335
8 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 3.661863
9 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Norwegian @ 3.665406
10 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Norwegian @ 3.723038
11 French + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 3.730261
12 Norwegian + Norwegian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.735094
13 North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 3.737278
14 French + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 3.743128
15 French + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Norwegian @ 3.757090
16 Norwegian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 3.761352
17 French + Norwegian + Portuguese + Swedish @ 3.763218
18 French + Portuguese + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 3.770822
19 French + Portuguese + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.811166
20 French + North_Swedish + Portuguese + Swedish @ 3.812510

ianz91
10-11-2017, 07:04 PM
Do you mean the other K15 from PuntDNAL?

Here are my oracles from that, still no Jewish. Which is funny because my family always insisted that we were part Jewish, it turned out to be bs.

Oracle

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 54.62
2 Mediterranean 32.48
3 Caucasian 7.15
4 SW_Asian 3.99
5 Amerindian 0.92
6 Omo_River 0.44
7 Beringian 0.36
8 Wht_Nile_River 0.03

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Utahn_White 3.43
2 English 3.63
3 South_German 3.86
4 Orcadian 4.28
5 Scottish 4.98
6 Irish 5.17
7 French 6.07
8 Austrian 6.21
9 North_German 6.31
10 Norwegian 6.65
11 Hungarian 7.2
12 Slovenian 7.23
13 Croatian 7.77
14 Swedish 9.18
15 Serbian 9.57
16 Polish 12.51
17 Bosnian 13.97
18 Macedonian 14.34
19 Romanian 15
20 Bulgarian 15.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.7% Polish + 22.3% Sardinian @ 1.58
2 56.1% Polish + 43.9% Spaniard @ 1.93
3 82.9% Swedish + 17.1% Sardinian @ 2.06
4 63.8% Swedish + 36.2% Spaniard @ 2.06
5 71.4% Norwegian + 28.6% Spaniard @ 2.07
6 87.3% Norwegian + 12.7% Sardinian @ 2.09
7 77.8% Scottish + 22.2% Spaniard @ 2.13
8 85.3% Orcadian + 14.7% Basque @ 2.14
9 92.1% Orcadian + 7.9% Sardinian @ 2.14
10 81.1% Orcadian + 18.9% Spaniard @ 2.18
11 84.6% English + 15.4% Spaniard @ 2.24
12 58.8% Spaniard + 41.2% Lithuanian @ 2.25
13 93.9% English + 6.1% Sardinian @ 2.3
14 90.7% Scottish + 9.3% Sardinian @ 2.3
15 65.8% Lithuanian + 34.2% Sardinian @ 2.33
16 88.8% English + 11.2% Basque @ 2.43
17 73.1% North_German + 26.9% Spaniard @ 2.54
18 88.2% North_German + 11.8% Sardinian @ 2.58
19 89.9% English + 10.1% Brazilian @ 2.59
20 69.6% Belarusian + 30.4% Sardinian @ 2.6



Oracle 4

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 54.62
2 Mediterranean 32.48
3 Caucasian 7.15
4 SW_Asian 3.99


Finished reading population data. 157 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Utahn_White @ 3.722717
2 English @ 3.933924
3 South_German @ 4.200704
4 Orcadian @ 4.652828
5 Scottish @ 5.441442
6 Irish @ 5.644070
7 French @ 6.693331
8 Austrian @ 6.756689
9 North_German @ 6.896082
10 Norwegian @ 7.254175
11 Hungarian @ 7.861607
12 Slovenian @ 7.894115
13 Croatian @ 8.555175
14 Swedish @ 10.053398
15 Serbian @ 10.667475
16 Polish @ 13.736010
17 Bosnian @ 15.552990
18 Macedonian @ 15.984116
19 Romanian @ 16.703335
20 Spaniard @ 17.504274

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish +50% Spaniard @ 2.779616


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Utahn_White +25% Sardinian @ 1.613028


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Lithuanian + Austrian + French + Basque @ 1.605687
2 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Utahn_White + Sardinian @ 1.613028
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + South_German + Sardinian @ 1.633705
4 Polish + Austrian + Austrian + Basque @ 1.655086
5 Lithuanian + Polish + North_German + Sardinian @ 1.698467
6 Lithuanian + Polish + Swedish + Sardinian @ 1.729929
7 Lithuanian + Belarusian + English + Sardinian @ 1.760179
8 Lithuanian + Polish + Basque + Italian @ 1.760906
9 Lithuanian + Hungarian + French + Basque @ 1.765159
10 Belarusian + Austrian + South_German + Basque @ 1.782681
11 Lithuanian + Croatian + French + Basque @ 1.791077
12 Lithuanian + Polish + Basque + Montenegrin @ 1.794271
13 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.796518
14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + French + Sardinian @ 1.802293
15 Belarusian + Austrian + Utahn_White + Basque @ 1.805795
16 Lithuanian + Swedish + Basque + Romanian @ 1.816707
17 Lithuanian + Polish + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 1.825874
18 Polish + Orcadian + Austrian + Basque @ 1.828733
19 Belarusian + Austrian + French + Basque @ 1.830108
20 Lithuanian + Belarusian + Scottish + Sardinian @ 1.847339

Mixed
10-11-2017, 07:07 PM
You are sure about Italian, not Jewish yes? But looks like Italian mixed with Northern Euro is treated like Askhenazy by this oracle.

Unless it goes far back. Anything is possible especially with Germanic ancestry.

Dewsloth
10-11-2017, 07:12 PM
Dad's results. They seem about right (South Dutch = mostly West German + British):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 27.02
2 Atlantic 26.14
3 West_Med 12.4
4 Baltic 10.66
5 Eastern_Euro 8.09
6 East_Med 6.4
7 West_Asian 6.05
8 Red_Sea 1.91
9 Southeast_Asian 0.58
10 Northeast_African 0.5
11 Amerindian 0.22
12 South_Asian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 3.61
2 French 4.37
3 West_German 7.26
4 Southwest_English 8.84
5 North_German 9.06
6 East_German 9.52
7 Southeast_English 9.65
8 Austrian 10.61
9 Spanish_Cataluna 11.1
10 Irish 11.36
11 Danish 11.38
12 Spanish_Galicia 11.51
13 North_Dutch 11.56
14 West_Scottish 12.07
15 Portuguese 12.22
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.3
17 Hungarian 12.47
18 Serbian 12.89
19 Orcadian 13.31
20 Spanish_Extremadura 13.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% South_Dutch + 12.1% Greek @ 1.39
2 85.6% South_Dutch + 14.4% Tuscan @ 1.42
3 89.4% South_Dutch + 10.6% East_Sicilian @ 1.47
4 88.1% South_Dutch + 11.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.47
5 63% North_German + 37% North_Italian @ 1.48
6 90.2% South_Dutch + 9.8% South_Italian @ 1.48
7 89.3% South_Dutch + 10.7% Central_Greek @ 1.49
8 88.6% South_Dutch + 11.4% West_Sicilian @ 1.52
9 91.5% South_Dutch + 8.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.67
10 82.6% South_Dutch + 17.4% North_Italian @ 1.68
11 91.7% South_Dutch + 8.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.71
12 87.7% South_Dutch + 12.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.71
13 93% South_Dutch + 7% Cyprian @ 1.72
14 89.7% South_Dutch + 10.3% Ashkenazi @ 1.72
15 92.4% South_Dutch + 7.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.73
16 91.3% South_Dutch + 8.7% Italian_Jewish @ 1.74
17 85.4% South_Dutch + 14.6% Bulgarian @ 1.75
18 93.5% South_Dutch + 6.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
19 94% South_Dutch + 6% Samaritan @ 1.93
20 84% South_Dutch + 16% Romanian @ 1.98

Aspar
04-26-2018, 05:24 PM
hey, decided to post mine as well

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.92
2 Bulgarian 4.31
3 Serbian 6.2
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.63
5 Moldavian 10.54
6 Greek 10.71
7 Croatian 12.86
8 Hungarian 13.38
9 Austrian 13.81
10 Tuscan 14.28
11 Ashkenazi 15.02
12 Italian_Abruzzo 15.11
13 Central_Greek 15.56
14 North_Italian 15.58
15 East_Sicilian 16.53
16 West_Sicilian 16.76
17 East_German 17.71
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.5
19 South_Polish 19.18
20 South_Italian 19.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Central_Greek + 44.5% Ukrainian @ 2.18
2 68.8% Moldavian + 31.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.25
3 60% Moldavian + 40% Central_Greek @ 2.44
4 69.6% Moldavian + 30.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.5
5 70% Moldavian + 30% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.53
6 65.1% Moldavian + 34.9% South_Italian @ 2.58
7 72.3% Greek_Thessaly + 27.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.63
8 70.5% Greek_Thessaly + 29.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.72
9 61.6% Moldavian + 38.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.73
10 55.3% Central_Greek + 44.7% South_Polish @ 2.73
11 70% Greek_Thessaly + 30% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.75
12 50.2% South_Italian + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 2.76
13 58.5% Central_Greek + 41.5% Polish @ 2.77
14 59.2% Moldavian + 40.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.79
15 50.4% Moldavian + 49.6% Greek @ 2.83
16 54% East_Sicilian + 46% Ukrainian @ 2.87
17 54.4% Central_Greek + 45.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.94
18 73.6% Greek_Thessaly + 26.4% Erzya @ 2.94
19 54.1% Croatian + 45.9% Ashkenazi @ 2.98
20 59.5% Moldavian + 40.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.99


sing 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Italian +50% Ukrainian @ 3.099230


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Erzya +25% Hungarian @ 2.444349


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + South_Italian @ 1.969616
2 Cyprian + Serbian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.104407
3 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Romanian @ 2.125088
4 Ashkenazi + Greek + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.156980
5 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian @ 2.162959
6 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.184377
7 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.184482
8 Croatian + Cyprian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 2.225000
9 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Serbian @ 2.230495
10 Central_Greek + Erzya + Hungarian + South_Italian @ 2.235209
11 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian @ 2.244479
12 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.316544
13 East_Sicilian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian @ 2.321632
14 Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Serbian + South_Italian @ 2.324016
15 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian @ 2.334329
16 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian @ 2.379286
17 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.390171
18 Italian_Jewish + Moldavian + Moldavian + Romanian @ 2.398874
19 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian + West_Sicilian @ 2.401069
20 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Romanian @ 2.407353

in my case the north east shifted components are offset by a more south west shifted (italian jewish and moldovan), i think it has to do with what another user previously said about it being harder to separate threads of southern euro ancestry...

Hi there, you seem to have a little bit different result than mine, even though I am Macedonian as well.
May I ask, which part of Macedonia are you from?

My result:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.58
2 North_Sea 16.02
3 West_Med 14.96
4 Atlantic 12.50
5 Baltic 11.54
6 Eastern_Euro 10.23
7 West_Asian 9.48
8 Red_Sea 4.33


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.905640
2 Bulgarian @ 8.714704
3 Romanian @ 9.382915
4 Greek @ 9.931087
5 Serbian @ 11.639365
6 Ashkenazi @ 12.551934
7 Tuscan @ 12.819895
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.340239
9 Central_Greek @ 13.699295
10 East_Sicilian @ 14.483737
11 West_Sicilian @ 14.822866
12 North_Italian @ 16.159454
13 South_Italian @ 17.794094
14 Moldavian @ 17.995335
15 Hungarian @ 20.071428
16 Croatian @ 20.650930
17 Austrian @ 20.656704
18 Italian_Jewish @ 21.086277
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 22.499073
20 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.504097

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Serbian @ 3.925787


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.528728


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
1 East_Finnish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 3.155858
2 Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.215745
3 Central_Greek + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.300720
4 Algerian_Jewish + East_Finnish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.343758
5 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.361386
6 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian @ 3.426738
7 Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.443877
8 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Christian + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.446499
9 Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian @ 3.453120
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Kargopol_Russian @ 3.528728
11 Algerian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Serbian @ 3.545475
12 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.547862
13 Lebanese_Christian + North_Italian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.551023
14 Italian_Abruzzo + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 3.571944
15 Cyprian + East_German + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 3.574602
16 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + North_Italian @ 3.574872
17 Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian + Serbian @ 3.579498
18 Greek + Hungarian + Libyan_Jewish + Serbian @ 3.581651
19 East_Finnish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.584183
20 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.596330

JerryS.
04-26-2018, 07:13 PM
here is mine. I don't have any Jewish that I know of, but I read before that Ashkenazi is similar to southern Italian/Sicilian.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.32
2 Mediterranean 33.33
3 Caucasian 11.45
4 SW_Asian 3.19
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.22
6 W_African 0.56
7 Oceanian 0.55
8 Omo_River 0.24
9 E_Asian 0.12
10 Wht_Nile_River 0.01

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.26
2 South_German 4.55
3 Serbian 4.86
4 Utahn_White 5.37
5 Macedonian 7.82
6 Croatian 7.85
7 Romanian 8.42
8 Bosnian 8.5
9 Irish 8.61
10 English 8.62
11 Hungarian 8.97
12 Bulgarian 9.09
13 Orcadian 9.21
14 Austrian 9.4
15 Slovenian 9.88
16 Scottish 10.43
17 Montenegrin 10.62
18 North_German 10.92
19 Spaniard 11.97
20 Norwegian 12.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.4% Croatian + 35.6% Portuguese @ 1.39
2 88.1% South_German + 11.9% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.4
3 86.7% South_German + 13.3% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.42
4 61.3% Hungarian + 38.7% Portuguese @ 1.44
5 87.2% South_German + 12.8% Sicilian @ 1.45
6 71% South_German + 29% Montenegrin @ 1.52
7 86.2% Utahn_White + 13.8% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.53
8 84.5% Utahn_White + 15.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.54
9 92% South_German + 8% Egyptian @ 1.54
10 50.4% Norwegian + 49.6% Italian @ 1.55
11 90.5% Utahn_White + 9.5% Egyptian @ 1.55
12 54.2% Italian + 45.8% Swedish @ 1.56
13 91.9% South_German + 8.1% Samaritian @ 1.56
14 81% South_German + 19% Albanian @ 1.57
15 77.6% English + 22.4% Sicilian @ 1.57
16 58.9% Slovenian + 41.1% Portuguese @ 1.59
17 79.2% English + 20.8% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.59
18 85.1% Utahn_White + 14.9% Sicilian @ 1.61
19 74% Scottish + 26% Sicilian @ 1.61
20 75.8% Scottish + 24.2% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.63

oracle 4, which I don't understand the Portuguese group regularly showing up.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 3.554887
2 South_German @ 5.040684
3 Serbian @ 5.339718
4 Utahn_White @ 5.959613
5 Croatian @ 8.585045
6 Macedonian @ 8.679335
7 Romanian @ 9.343442
8 Bosnian @ 9.375529
9 Irish @ 9.520889
10 English @ 9.555455
11 Hungarian @ 9.820910
12 Bulgarian @ 10.095712
13 Orcadian @ 10.205194
14 Austrian @ 10.334235
15 Slovenian @ 10.857581
16 Scottish @ 11.573563
17 Montenegrin @ 11.765901
18 North_German @ 12.072762
19 Spaniard @ 13.107691
20 Norwegian @ 13.496411

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Italian @ 1.620151


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Swedish +25% Portuguese +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 0.964493


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Swedish + Swedish + Portuguese + Greek_Thessaly @ 0.964493
2 Swedish + Norwegian + Portuguese + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.075507
3 Polish + North_German + Portuguese + Albanian @ 1.106073
4 Hungarian + South_German + Serbian + Portuguese @ 1.121520
5 Polish + Scottish + Portuguese + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.137257
6 North_German + Slovenian + Bulgarian + Portuguese @ 1.140830
7 Hungarian + Utahn_White + Serbian + Portuguese @ 1.142349
8 Swedish + Swedish + Portuguese + Greek_Central @ 1.148676
9 English + Slovenian + Macedonian + Portuguese @ 1.163651
10 North_German + Slovenian + Romanian + Portuguese @ 1.172692
11 Lithuanian + South_German + Portuguese + Tuscan @ 1.175224
12 Polish + Swedish + Portuguese + Tuscan @ 1.178285
13 Utahn_White + Croatian + Serbian + Portuguese @ 1.178750
14 Irish + Irish + Macedonian + Portuguese @ 1.180291
15 Scottish + Hungarian + Macedonian + Portuguese @ 1.191980
16 Polish + Norwegian + Portuguese + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.197330
17 North_German + Slovenian + Montenegrin + Portuguese @ 1.199262
18 North_German + Hungarian + Romanian + Portuguese @ 1.199430
19 Slovenian + South_German + Serbian + Portuguese @ 1.213212
20 Polish + North_German + Portuguese + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.214472

Done.

asm
04-29-2018, 06:54 AM
1 West_Asian 41.35
2 East_Med 20.11
3 Eastern_Euro 10.31
4 North_Sea 10.00
5 South_Asian 6.23
6 Baltic 4.37
7 West_Med 3.48
8 Red_Sea 1.54
9 Atlantic 1.32

------------------------------------------
1 63% Tabassaran + 37% Armenian @ 2.58
2 69.2% Lezgin + 30.8% Armenian @ 3.07
3 65.8% Tabassaran + 34.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.15
4 69.4% Tabassaran + 30.6% Assyrian @ 3.28
5 75% Lezgin + 25% Assyrian @ 3.35
6 78.6% Lezgin + 21.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.46
7 78.3% Lezgin + 21.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.61
8 72.1% Lezgin + 27.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.65
9 60.1% Tabassaran + 39.9% Kurdish @ 3.77
10 73.7% Tabassaran + 26.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.77
11 73.2% Tabassaran + 26.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.8
12 66.8% Lezgin + 33.2% Kurdish @ 3.86
13 82.6% Lezgin + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.93
14 82.8% Lezgin + 17.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
15 83.5% Lezgin + 16.5% Samaritan @ 4.22
16 68.5% Lezgin + 31.5% Iranian @ 4.23
17 80.1% Lezgin + 19.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.35
18 67.4% Lezgin + 32.6% Azeri @ 4.43
19 81% Lezgin + 19% Syrian @ 4.51
20 81.8% Lezgin + 18.2% Cyprian @ 4.51

---------------------------------

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Tabassaran @ 5.038657


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kumyk +25% Kurdish +25% Tabassaran @ 4.583853

1 Armenian + Kumyk + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.490774
2 Assyrian + Lezgin + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.494587
3 Armenian + Kumyk + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.499544
4 Assyrian + Kumyk + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.615964
5 Assyrian + Lezgin + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.671677
6 Georgian_Jewish + Kumyk + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.722938
7 Adygei + Assyrian + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.757598
8 Kurdish_Jewish + Lezgin + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.758067
9 Armenian + Lezgin + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.767824
10 Adygei + Kurdish_Jewish + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.773457
11 Assyrian + Lezgin + Lezgin + Lezgin @ 3.796607
12 Assyrian + Kumyk + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.815326
13 Kurdish_Jewish + Lezgin + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.817423
14 Chechen + Kurdish_Jewish + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.840271
15 Adygei + Iranian_Jewish + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.851592
16 Iranian_Jewish + Lezgin + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.878340
17 Armenian + Lezgin + Lezgin + Lezgin @ 3.889269
18 Georgian_Jewish + Kumyk + Lezgin + Tabassaran @ 3.889442
19 Iranian_Jewish + Ossetian + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.905109
20 Iranian_Jewish + Lezgin + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.911066

--------------------------

Mountain Jewish cousins seem as 4th cousins (?) on both Gedmatch and testing company list.However,some Caucasian people get this components despite not having any matches.

jonahst
04-29-2018, 08:07 AM
Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
East_Med
26


2
Atlantic
15.81


3
West_Asian
15.19


4
West_Med
12.05


5
North_Sea
8.4


6
Red_Sea
7.55


7
Eastern_Euro
4.9


8
Baltic
4.46


9
Northeast_African
3.37


10
South_Asian
1.54


11
Siberian
0.73



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Ashkenazi
6.27


2
East_Sicilian
6.63


3
Italian_Abruzzo
6.78


4
Central_Greek
7.64


5
West_Sicilian
7.85


6
South_Italian
8.64


7
Sephardic_Jewish
9.53


8
Italian_Jewish
10.27


9
Greek
10.42


10
Algerian_Jewish
11.83


11
Greek_Thessaly
11.84


12
Tuscan
12.36


13
Tunisian_Jewish
12.99


14
Libyan_Jewish
15.54


15
Bulgarian
15.97


16
Cyprian
16.55


17
Turkish
16.58


18
Lebanese_Muslim
17.46


19
Romanian
17.62


20
Syrian
17.94



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#


Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1


63.4%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
36.6%
Southwest_French
@
4.09


2


51.7%
Iranian_Jewish
+
48.3%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
@
4.3


3


59.8%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
40.2%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
@
4.3


4


60.1%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
39.9%
Spanish_Cataluna
@
4.33


5


75.5%
West_Sicilian
+
24.5%
Azeri
@
4.38


6


62.7%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
37.3%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
4.39


7


79%
West_Sicilian
+
21%
Iranian
@
4.39


8


60.6%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
39.4%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
@
4.42


9


50%
Spanish_Extremadura
+
50%
Iranian_Jewish
@
4.42


10


80.9%
Italian_Abruzzo
+
19.1%
Bedouin
@
4.46


11


52.5%
Iranian_Jewish
+
47.5%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
@
4.47


12


55.5%
Iranian_Jewish
+
44.5%
Southwest_French
@
4.48


13


91.7%
Italian_Abruzzo
+
8.3%
Ethiopian_Tigray
@
4.49


14


91.9%
Italian_Abruzzo
+
8.1%
Ethiopian_Amhara
@
4.51


15


54.7%
Iranian_Jewish
+
45.3%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
4.52


16


50.4%
Iranian_Jewish
+
49.6%
Spanish_Murcia
@
4.52


17


58.6%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
41.4%
Spanish_Murcia
@
4.56


18


58.2%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
41.8%
Spanish_Extremadura
@
4.56


19


62.9%
Syrian
+
37.1%
Southwest_French
@
4.58


20


60.1%
Lebanese_Muslim
+
39.9%
Spanish_Valencia
@
4.59

Modernancientdna
04-29-2018, 12:18 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.56
2 North_Sea 25.76
3 Eastern_Euro 17.36
4 Atlantic 11.17
5 East_Med 6.79
6 West_Med 6
7 West_Asian 1.36
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Sub-Saharan 0.54
10 Amerindian 0.42
11 Oceanian 0.25
12 Southeast_Asian 0.04
13 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 6.35
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.52
3 South_Polish 8.03
4 Estonian 8.87
5 Polish 9.02
6 Southwest_Russian 9.92
7 Belorussian 10.09
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.44
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
10 Estonian_Polish 11.02
11 Lithuanian 11.06
12 Hungarian 11.91
13 Croatian 12.06
14 Finnish 12.21
15 Moldavian 12.67
16 Kargopol_Russian 13.32
17 East_Finnish 13.44
18 Southwest_Finnish 14
19 Erzya 14.84
20 East_German 15.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29