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CannabisErectusHibernius
10-15-2017, 03:14 AM
I have what might be a stupid question for the wizened members of this board. I have done the basic mtdna from ftdna, and was assigned HV. Obviously this is a very broad brush stroke. All of my matches show HV or HV0-T195c for those who tested full sequence, and most come from Ireland originally. This seemingly rare HV0-T195c is the same haplo as the neolithic Ballynahatty woman. I became entranced with the notion that maybe this was one of the few surviving neolithic lineages in Ireland. Once I put the bong down though, it occurred to me that much like Y haplo str matches, these matches were meaningless without deeper resolution. Right? I admit I dont really grasp the methodology here. Money is a little tight, as my last harvest was light and I keep dropping loot on guitars and synthesizers, so to James Lick's mito predictor I went. This is were things got a little weird:

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) R0a'b

Defining Markers for haplogroup R0a'b:
HVR2: (58C) 64T 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2442C 2706G 4769G 7028T 8860G 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16362C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup R0a'b (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ (58C) 64T 2442C 16362C ⇨ R0a'b ⇨ 72C (309.1C) (309.2C) (315.1C) 522.1A 522.2C 16168T

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(2): 64T 16362C
Mismatches(1): (58T) 263A
Extras(4): 72C (309.1C) (309.2C) (315.1C) 522.1A 522.2C 16168T
Untested(9): 750 1438 2442 2706 4769 7028 8860 14766 15326


2) H2a2a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup H2a2a1:
HVR2:
CR:
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H2a2a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 64T 72C (309.1C) (309.2C) (315.1C) 522.1A 522.2C 16168T 16362C

Good Match! Your results also had extra markers for this haplogroup:
Extras(6): 64T 72C (309.1C) (309.2C) (315.1C) 522.1A 522.2C 16168T 16362C


3) H2a2a1a

Defining Markers for haplogroup H2a2a1a:
HVR2:
CR: 15314A
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H2a2a1a (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 15314A ⇨ H2a2a1a ⇨ 64T 72C (309.1C) (309.2C) (315.1C) 522.1A 522.2C 16168T 16362C

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Extras(6): 64T 72C (309.1C) (309.2C) (315.1C) 522.1A 522.2C 16168T 16362C
Untested(1): 15314

R0a'b is ancestral to HV, so even less helpful then HV, while H2a2a1 seems to be the closest match. So can I really assume that my true haplo is somewhere in H2a2a1 land, and I am not descended from the HV0-T195C! ancient granny of Ballynahatty?? Thanks.

Ann Turner
10-15-2017, 04:12 PM
Lick's utility is designed for full mitochondrial sequence data. Since you didn't report any differences from the CRS in the coding region, the utility assumes that you match the CRS quite well (H2a2a1).

FTDNA would have tested about 20 "backbone" SNPs in the coding region, just enough to give you the top level haplogroup. You can assume you are HV