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Bulat
10-17-2017, 03:05 PM
U-rrr-aa!!! B) We found with Thomas a clan in Kamchatka, which is transitional between the Indian tribes of America and the Siberian tribes of Asia. Their main relatives migrated for America, but this clan remained in Kamchatka. Wait for the article until 2018. Also it was confirmed not only the genetic connection of this Kamchatka clan with the Indians of America, but also the linguistic connection of the language of this clan with the Turkic languages and with the languages of the Indians of America.

And of course this clan - Q.

razyn
10-17-2017, 05:26 PM
I have been following your recent adventures, mainly on Facebook. I'm happy to see that not everybody Thomas tested in Kamchatka has turned out to be in a C subclade -- not that there's anything wrong with them (and they will also inform the Native American migrations).

To some extent, I think the A00 shakedown cruise in Cameroon helped Thomas to see the woods in spite of all the trees, in a way that more academic programs (and national government funding sources) try their best to impede. Congratulations to both of you.

Tαltos
10-18-2017, 04:20 AM
I look forward to the paper. This reminds me, and I'm surprised no one has posted this here before. I'm curious to see how it will compare.
https://verenich.wordpress.com/author/gurianovvm/


NEW DATA ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS AMERINDIANS AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF THE FAR EAST

Опубликовано Март 29, 2015 автором gurianovvm

Steve J. Dimond, with the assistance of Vladimir Gurianov

YFull team has completed analysis of NextGen sequencing results provided by YFull interpretation service adding an additional four levels to the Amerindian portion of the Q haplogroup experimental tree of descent.

New tree structure:
Q-M3

…..Q-CTS12274

……….Q-M848

……….Q-Y4291 : Y4276, Y4291, Y4308, Y4325, Y6163

…………… Q-Y4273

……………….. Q-YP1462 :

YP1462 (16769105GT), YP1463 (17353568AG), YP1464 (17424573CT), YP1465 (21777658CT), YP1466 (21826794TG), YP1504 (6847000GA)

……………….. Q-Y6131
Subclade Q-Y4273 is defined by a set of single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) found in descendants of Algonquian speaking Amerindians at the time of European contact.

The Little Ice Age, (LIA) 1430 CE, brought tribal competition, migratory shifts, and conflict resulting in the tribal confederacies of the 1500s. In the years following contact Algonquian and Iroquoian societies collapsed as bands were displaced by European colonial expansion. Some cultures dwindled to extinction while others, those that survived colonial wars and disease, became refugees adopted into reconstructed tribes. Y-chromosome genetics cannot define or identify tribal affiliations. Y chromosome genetics can be used to create a phylogeny or tree of descent that in some cases can, to some extent, be associated with cultural groups.

Y4273 subclade is likely rooted in Northeastern Archaic cultural region, either the Maritime or Lake Forest Culture (8k to 3k ybp). It is possible Y4273 emerged with the Susquehanna tradition (3700 ybp) which expanded east to the mid Atlantic and suddenly expanded northward to the Gulf of Maine somewhat replacing the Maritime tradition with Susquehanna culture adaptations.

Subclade levels below Q-Y4273 are beginning to be revealed though NextGen sequencing taking resolution to 300 ybp.

It is estimated that Q-Y4273 formed 12100 ybp and the MRCA is 4400 ybp.

A set of SNPs (Esk2 by Karmin et al., 2015) has been identified in a Yupik (Eskimo) of Novoye Chaplino in the Far Eastern District of Russia. The indigenous Siberian Yupik people inhabit the coast of the Chukotka Peninsula and St. Lawrence Island, Alaska.
This discovery creates a subclade sandwiched between CTS12273 and Y4273 labeled Y4291. This means the Yupik individual and Algonquian subclade Y4273 members descend from the same ancient and distinct branch of the Q haplogoup tree. Age yet to be estimated.

Bulat
11-21-2017, 02:45 PM
The Swadesh list — 1. For Tyurkic, Paleo-Asiatic, Ankalaku and Amerindian languages of Shoshone, Yakama, Nez Perce, Chumash, Choctaw, Mohawk and Purepecha peoples



If you know well the Tyurkic languages, and especially the Chuvash language, then when you come to Kamchatka you can communicate with the representatives of the people of Kereks (Ankalaku) in Tyurkic language at the level of root basic words.

http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-8/2017ix05_ankalaku_country_kamchatka.png

You will be understand the language of Ankalaku, and Kerek will understand your Tyurkic language — without an interpreter. If you go further to America and will talk with representatives of such Native American peoples as Shoshone, Yakama, Nez Perce, Chumash, Choctaw, Mohawk, Purepecha — you will also find in their language common words understandable to the Tyurks, especially if you know the Chuvash language and communicate with the Native Americans peoples — Chumash and Shoshone. Tyurkic languages are the key not only to understanding the many languages of Eurasia, from the Altai language family, but also the key to understanding the language of Ankalaku in Kamchatka and the languages of some of the Native American peoples.

http://suyun.info/index.php?LANG=ENG&p=4_17102017_8_4

Full version this article, see at here (http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-8/Muratov_Ankalaku_4_2017x17_8_[1_2]_4_BEHPS_2017_8_4.pdf)

Bulat
11-21-2017, 02:48 PM
http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-8/Q_hg_languages.png

Afshar
11-21-2017, 04:15 PM
http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2017-8/Q_hg_languages.png

Some tribes you mentioned dont have hg Q (like Chuvash), so this does not make any sense to me??

Bulat
11-21-2017, 07:12 PM
Some tribes you mentioned dont have hg Q (like Chuvash), so this does not make any sense to me??

Hello Afshar! You're wrong. And here is no fault of yours. You judge by FTDNA. But only 26 persons were tested in FTDNA. A Chuvash people in the world 1.5 million persons. Are you Agree with me, that 26 persons is minimum than 1.5 million people? :)

I judge by all projects - and not only on the FTPDNA.



The Chuvash have haplogroup Q. And this subclade-Q1a-M25.

Here is their haplotype. Q1a-M25
13 24 13 10 12-16 12 12 12 13 16 27 (Format of 12 markers FTDNA)

Afshar
11-21-2017, 07:28 PM
Hello Afshar! You're wrong. And here is no fault of yours. You judge by FTDNA. But only 26 persons were tested in FTDNA. A Chuvash people in the world 1.5 million persons. Are you Agree with me, that 26 persons is minimum than 1.5 million people? :)

I judge by all projects - and not only on the FTPDNA.



The Chuvash have haplogroup Q. And this subclade-Q1a-M25.

Here is their haplotype. Q1a-M25
13 24 13 10 12-16 12 12 12 13 16 27 (Format of 12 markers FTDNA)

Nice info, seems an interesting haplotype.
What do you think the overall percentage is in the chuvash population?

Bulat
11-21-2017, 07:40 PM
Nice info, seems an interesting haplotype.
What do you think the overall percentage is in the chuvash population?
I think that the haplogroup Q in the Chuvash is a little.

Afshar
11-21-2017, 07:43 PM
Q-m25 is a bit underrepresented in the volga region. Should be higher

Bulat
11-22-2017, 05:34 AM
Q-m25 is a bit underrepresented in the volga region. Should be higher

I'm sure, Afshar that the Q-M25 and were those very Proto-Tyurks. I have a research on this theme. http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2015-4/Proto_turks_indoeuropeans_2015_4.pdf Unfortunately I did not translate it into English language yet. Wrote this research - two years ago. There I gave reasons why it was the Q-M25 Proto-Tyurks. I will try to translate this article into English.

Afshar
11-22-2017, 07:49 AM
I'm sure, Afshar that the Q-M25 and were those very Proto-Tyurks. I have a research on this theme. http://suyun.info/userfiles/bulletin/2015-4/Proto_turks_indoeuropeans_2015_4.pdf Unfortunately I did not translate it into English language yet. Wrote this research - two years ago. There I gave reasons why it was the Q-M25 Proto-Tyurks. I will try to translate this article into English.

Yes please, it is an interesting subject.