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lukaszM
10-21-2017, 12:34 PM
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/97-million-year-old-teeth-found-germany-belong-hominin-only-known-have-021671


9.7 Million-Year-Old Teeth Found in Germany Belong to Hominin Only Known To Have Existed in Africa 4 Million Years Later

Archaeologists have made a discovery so sensational that they have waited 1 year to announce it as they had to be sure they had the dating correct. A set of teeth belonging to an early hominin species has been found in Germany that dates back 9.7 million years. Could this finding be another nail in the coffin for the out-of-Africa theory of human origins?

It was only one month ago that scientists made the surprising announcement of 5.7 million-year-old hominin footprints on the island of Crete in Greece. Many responded with disbelief, as such a discovery suggests that the earliest human ancestors wandered around Europe at the same time or even earlier than Africa, drawing into question the widely-believed theory that humans emerged in Africa before spreading out to the rest of the world. Now the finding of 9.7 million-year-old hominin teeth in Germany supports the possibility that the out-of-Africa theory is wrong.

JerryS.
10-22-2017, 12:52 AM
this is getting interesting.

GailT
10-22-2017, 09:54 PM
this is getting interesting.

No it isn't. The "Ancient Origins" web page is very obviously a click-bait enterprise promoting conspiracy theories for profit. I glanced at just a few of their articles, for example, "Shakespear's Ghosts Live!".

We see over and over again people who don't want to believe that modern humans originated in Africa and are eager to find "evidence" to support their belief. When someone claims that they discovered new evidence that "puts another nail in the coffin" of the out of Africa theory for modern human origins, you should be very suspicious. A quick google search brings up this National Geographic article (https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science/) that discusses the new paper, and this piece on the "Ancient Origins" con-artists (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/who-is-really-behind-ancient-originsnet).

GailT
10-22-2017, 10:17 PM
A lot of scientists have like a religion and ignore all evidence.

I know someone is not a reliable source when they claim that there is a scientific conspiracy to hide the "truth".

Here is what NatGeo says about the new paper (https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/10/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science/):


Instead, most experts we contacted say that the molar probably belongs to a species of pliopithecoid, an extinct, primitive branch of primates that lived in Europe and Asia between roughly seven and 17 million years ago. Pliopithecoids are very distant relatives of humans. Some paleontologists argue that this group diverged from the common ancestors of Old World monkeys and apes before those two branches even split from one another. In other words, it's likely that modern humans are more closely related to baboons than to the species represented by these teeth.

Note - responding to Venustas' post in the DNA News thread.

xKeleix
10-22-2017, 11:12 PM
I'm still failing to see how something dated that old is the "nail in the coffin" for the out of Africa theory. I don't know the exact consensus on the date of the exodus of anatomically modern humans, but I know it was much less than 9 million or even 5 million years ago. For a time, the date of the exodus was 60,000 years ago, and I assume known evidence points to no more than 100 kya.

JerryS.
10-23-2017, 01:32 AM
well, I learne3d two things today. I didn't read the initial article or subsequent critiques..... thanks for the cliff notes.