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Gandhara
10-25-2017, 11:08 PM
Punjabi Jatt from Pakistan Sharing his results :

https://i.gyazo.com/055c24d415701d7a4144dce5e266e32a.png

Gandhara
10-26-2017, 12:43 AM
@kurd Pa jee : which current populations score the most sycthian? any ideas?

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 01:06 AM
@kurd Pa jee : which current populations score the most sycthian? any ideas?

I scored 29% Scythian, which is surprisingly very, very high! I didn't this that it would be this high. My other Steppe is quite low though, around 12% total. I don't know what accounts for my insanely high Scythian.

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 01:07 AM
Your results are pretty similar to mine, although I have around 3% African (East). My non-African Eurasian is around the same as yours, and my Southeast Eurasian is about 15%.

Gandhara
10-26-2017, 01:24 AM
Your results are pretty similar to mine, although I have around 3% African (East). My non-African Eurasian is around the same as yours, and my Southeast Eurasian is about 15%.

Also, from near Kharian here.

Gandhara
10-26-2017, 01:25 AM
Where did they get the DNA sample of ancient Scythians? dead bodies excavated from some sites?. Kurd Paa jee ...?

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 01:55 AM
Also, from near Kharian here.

Okay, good to hear. I guess it does make sense why some of us have elevated Steppe levels which are comparable to Brahmins. I think the total number of Jatts, Gujjars, Rajputs, etc. in Pakistan and India is very small compared to the overall population of South Asia, perhaps numbering no more than 20 to 30 million out of a total of 1.7 billion, or around 1 to 2%. Taking this into consideration, as well as the fact that communities usually married within themselves, it is no surprise that we have been able to maintain our genetics for a long time. In fact, Pakistan's, Bangladesh's and India's population has grown significantly since the early 20th century. Thus, it is likely that the total population of these communities was much, much smaller in the not too distant past. I think there's a founder effect at play here. Although, more research is needed. It's very similar to how Jews have been able to maintain much of their DNA, actually.

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 01:56 AM
Where did they get the DNA sample of ancient Scythians? dead bodies excavated from some sites?. Kurd Paa jee ...?

They're from Ancient Scythian sites.

Gandhara
10-26-2017, 02:02 AM
They're from Ancient Scythian sites.
where were these sites discovered?

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 02:21 AM
where were these sites discovered?

I don't know. Eastern steppes... perhaps.

MonkeyDLuffy
10-26-2017, 03:29 AM
They are really similar to mine and sapporo. So far all Punjabis score 20%~ scythian.

khanabadoshi
10-26-2017, 03:55 AM
I scored 29% Scythian, which is surprisingly very, very high! I didn't this that it would be this high. My other Steppe is quite low though, around 12% total. I don't know what accounts for my insanely high Scythian.

That is high, more then everyone else in the region: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11850-My-K9-ASI-on-GEDMatch&p=297829&viewfull=1#post297829

I'll have to add you and Gandhara to the sheet. Where are your scores posted? Also can you and Gandhara (and any of the other South Asians who kit# I don't know) send me a PM with your kit number and where your from and all the biodata LOL. So I can start adding you all to spreadsheets. If you want, of course.

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 04:43 AM
That is high, more then everyone else in the region: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11850-My-K9-ASI-on-GEDMatch&p=297829&viewfull=1#post297829

I'll have to add you and Gandhara to the sheet. Where are your scores posted? Also can you and Gandhara (and any of the other South Asians who kit# I don't know) send me a PM with your kit number and where your from and all the biodata LOL. So I can start adding you all to spreadsheets. If you want, of course.

Okay, I'll send you my Kit # as long as you promise to keep it private for obvious reasons. But you can add me to the spreadsheet, without revealing my kit #. Also, I'll send you my complete breakdown in PM.

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 04:53 AM
That is high, more then everyone else in the region: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11850-My-K9-ASI-on-GEDMatch&p=297829&viewfull=1#post297829

I'll have to add you and Gandhara to the sheet. Where are your scores posted? Also can you and Gandhara (and any of the other South Asians who kit# I don't know) send me a PM with your kit number and where your from and all the biodata LOL. So I can start adding you all to spreadsheets. If you want, of course.

Okay, I have sent you my kit and K12 results. I'll just post them here as well if anyone's interested. But I posted them before, I think.

Xehanort
10-26-2017, 04:54 AM
My results:

STEPPE CULTURES 41.2%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 29.0%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 6.0%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 6.2%

ANCIENT FARMERS 37.3%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 5.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years) 20.6%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 11.1%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 14.6%

AFRICAN 3.3%
EAST AFRICAN (modern) 3.3%
WEST AFRICAN (modern) 0.0%

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%

Lara101
10-27-2017, 02:27 AM
Im curious. How do you look? Considering your high steepe dna? Are you typically desi looking or do you look pathan or something?

Xehanort
10-27-2017, 02:38 AM
Im curious. How do you look? Considering your high steepe dna? Are you typically desi looking or do you look pathan or something?

Me or the original poster? I don't look like a Pathan... I look more in between Pathans and South Indians. I am not fair, and am a bit dark for high caste/status Pakistanis. But most of my family members are very fair and do look Pathan-like. Even the ones who are of average complexion have sharp features and resemble Iranians in terms of their facial features. I guess I am an outlier in my family when it comes to phenotype. That's why I was surprised that my Steppe was quite high, considering my phenotype.

Gandhara
10-27-2017, 10:06 AM
Im curious. How do you look? Considering your high steepe dna? Are you typically desi looking or do you look pathan or something?


Me or the original poster? I don't look like a Pathan... I look more in between Pathans and South Indians. I am not fair, and am a bit dark for high caste/status Pakistanis. But most of my family members are very fair and do look Pathan-like. Even the ones who are of average complexion have sharp features and resemble Iranians in terms of their facial features. I guess I am an outlier in my family when it comes to phenotype. That's why I was surprised that my Steppe was quite high, considering my phenotype.

This is me!
https://i.gyazo.com/617483945ff06991b798abf03294b20a.png

Gandhara
10-27-2017, 10:21 AM
Me or the original poster? I don't look like a Pathan... I look more in between Pathans and South Indians. I am not fair, and am a bit dark for high caste/status Pakistanis. But most of my family members are very fair and do look Pathan-like. Even the ones who are of average complexion have sharp features and resemble Iranians in terms of their facial features. I guess I am an outlier in my family when it comes to phenotype. That's why I was surprised that my Steppe was quite high, considering my phenotype.

post a photo man!

Xehanort
10-27-2017, 07:09 PM
post a photo man!

No, sorry. I obviously can't due to privacy reasons, but you're looking fit! Also, I have decided to re-run my data through geneplaza, this time with my AncestryDNA raw data. Lets see if there's a difference or not.

deuterium_1
10-29-2017, 11:15 AM
That is high, more then everyone else in the region: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11850-My-K9-ASI-on-GEDMatch&p=297829&viewfull=1#post297829

I'll have to add you and Gandhara to the sheet. Where are your scores posted? Also can you and Gandhara (and any of the other South Asians who kit# I don't know) send me a PM with your kit number and where your from and all the biodata LOL. So I can start adding you all to spreadsheets. If you want, of course.

Did the Scythians who invaded Punjab 2000 years ago leave any genetic traces?

parasar
10-29-2017, 04:51 PM
That is high, more then everyone else in the region: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11850-My-K9-ASI-on-GEDMatch&p=297829&viewfull=1#post297829

I'll have to add you and Gandhara to the sheet. Where are your scores posted? Also can you and Gandhara (and any of the other South Asians who kit# I don't know) send me a PM with your kit number and where your from and all the biodata LOL. So I can start adding you all to spreadsheets. If you want, of course.

Posted on another thread, but pertinent to this one too.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11850-My-K9-ASI-on-GEDMatch&p=303056&viewfull=1#post303056

nuplix
10-29-2017, 05:03 PM
Fellow Jatt here:

https://i.imgur.com/SjsMLsl.png

parasar
10-29-2017, 05:10 PM
Fellow Jatt here:

https://i.imgur.com/SjsMLsl.png

You are the closest to my %age on Andronovo-Srubnaya.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11669-New-K12-Ancient-Calculator&p=301249&viewfull=1#post301249

MonkeyDLuffy
10-29-2017, 11:11 PM
That's the lowest scythian among the punjabis so far

nuplix
10-30-2017, 01:08 AM
That's the lowest scythian among the punjabis so far

What could be the reason; any idea?
I don't speak Punjabi.

Kurd
10-30-2017, 01:27 AM
Guys, that component is 85%BA Karasuk, who best correlate with ANE and Siberian type admixture. Genetically they are quite different from IA Scythians, at least Scythian I0247. To get a more accurate reading on Scythian geneflow you will have to wait till we have relevant ones for S Asians, and once we do I will dedicate a component to them.

In the meantime, I have uploaded the I0247 Scythian that I diploid genotyped . Someone should start athread and everyone can post their matching segments. You can start with 1cM and both 50 and 100 SNPs

khanabadoshi
10-30-2017, 01:38 AM
Guys, that component is 85%BA Karasuk, who best correlate with ANE and Siberian type admixture. Genetically they are quite different from IA Scythians, at least Scythian I0247. To get a more accurate reading on Scythian geneflow you will have to wait till we have relevant ones for S Asians, and once we do I will dedicate a component to them.

In the meantime, I have uploaded the I0247 Scythian that I diploid genotyped . Someone should start athread and everyone can post their matching segments. You can start with 1cM and both 50 and 100 SNPs

I'll start doing that. I was meaning to the first time you mentioned it. Didn't get around to it.

Kurd
10-30-2017, 03:49 AM
I'll start doing that. I was meaning to the first time you mentioned it. Didn't get around to it.

Forgot to mention, have them also post their segments with the published Haploid Scythian 247, so that you can get an idea of how limited haploid genomes are for IBD/IBS work they. In case you don’t have an ID for the haploid one, you can use M374116.

Also remember that 23 is only comparable with 23, and so on. Different companies are not cross comparable.

pnb123
10-30-2017, 05:12 AM
You are the closest to my %age on Andronovo-Srubnaya.


I had (Scythian - 12.6, Andronovo - 8.1, Yamnaya - 16.2). Perhaps, I'm the only South Asian who scored more Yamnaya than Andronovo or Scythian ? It could be because Nepali brahmins mixture is a bit older and more related to earlier Indo-Europeans than newer ones ?

bmoney
10-30-2017, 06:53 AM
I had (Scythian - 12.6, Andronovo - 8.1, Yamnaya - 16.2). Perhaps, I'm the only South Asian who scored more Yamnaya than Andronovo or Scythian ? It could be because Nepali brahmins mixture is a bit older and more related to earlier Indo-Europeans than newer ones ?

You have the highest Yamnaya in the forum so far, I also have relatively high Yamnaya @ 14.9 - I think it reflects an earlier steppe migration as you mentioned

pnb123
10-30-2017, 10:00 AM
You have the highest Yamnaya in the forum so far, I also have relatively high Yamnaya 14.9 - I think it reflects an earlier steppe migration as you mentioned

What are your other results ?

Gandhara
10-31-2017, 12:01 AM
Guys, that component is 85%BA Karasuk, who best correlate with ANE and Siberian type admixture. Genetically they are quite different from IA Scythians, at least Scythian I0247. To get a more accurate reading on Scythian geneflow you will have to wait till we have relevant ones for S Asians, and once we do I will dedicate a component to them.

In the meantime, I have uploaded the I0247 Scythian that I diploid genotyped . Someone should start athread and everyone can post their matching segments. You can start with 1cM and both 50 and 100 SNPs

where have u uploaded the I0247? on Gedmatch archaic matches?

bmoney
10-31-2017, 12:39 AM
What are your other results ?

Its in the Punjabi Gujjar thread - I'm much more SE Eurasian than you I presume because I'm south Indian

But interestingly I have a similar Steppe ratio to you - higher Scythian Yamnaya & low Andronovo (associated with Brahmins)

Whats your farmer split?

poi
11-01-2017, 12:59 PM
I had (Scythian - 12.6, Andronovo - 8.1, Yamnaya - 16.2). Perhaps, I'm the only South Asian who scored more Yamnaya than Andronovo or Scythian ? It could be because Nepali brahmins mixture is a bit older and more related to earlier Indo-Europeans than newer ones ?

We're both Nepali Brahmins but have completely different Steppe. I have very high Karasuk and very low Yamnaya. Both sides of my family are from West of Pokahra Paschime bahuns.

STEPPE CULTURES 40.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 25.0%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 10.4%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 5.1%

ANCIENT FARMERS32.0%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.9%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)17.5%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 9.6%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.5%
EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 4.0%
AFRICAN 0.0%
WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%

pnb123
11-01-2017, 05:57 PM
We're both Nepali Brahmins but have completely different Steppe. I have very high Karasuk and very low Yamnaya. Both sides of my family are from West of Pokahra Paschime bahuns.

STEPPE CULTURES 40.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 25.0%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 10.4%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 5.1%

ANCIENT FARMERS32.0%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.9%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)17.5%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 9.6%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.5%
EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 4.0%
AFRICAN 0.0%
WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%

I’m a bit surprised by your scores. How would one expect such a different score between same ethnicity ?

pnb123
11-01-2017, 07:04 PM
Is Karasuk-E-Scythian hiding some East Eurasian among S Asians?

parasar
11-01-2017, 07:22 PM
Iím a bit surprised by your scores. How would one expect such a different score between same ethnicity ?

And while I'm not from Nepal but closeby, it is interesting to see the immense variation within the 'steppe'

pnb123 - 17% YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA
poi - 25% KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN
mine - 14.4% ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA

And all three with (likely for pnb123) the same L657 male ancestor from ~1850 BC.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5179-In-what-archealogical-cltures-wll-the-ancestors-of-R1a-L657-and-R1a-Tarim-be-found&p=217300&viewfull=1#post217300

MonkeyDLuffy
11-01-2017, 08:22 PM
We're both Nepali Brahmins but have completely different Steppe. I have very high Karasuk and very low Yamnaya. Both sides of my family are from West of Pokahra Paschime bahuns.

STEPPE CULTURES 40.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 25.0%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 10.4%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 5.1%

ANCIENT FARMERS32.0%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.9%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)17.5%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 9.6%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.5%
EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 4.0%
AFRICAN 0.0%
WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%

You actually scored very similar to Punjabis. What's interesting is that you are Brahmin and yet there is no West euro farmer in your results like Brahmins from India.

Mine for comparison:

steppe cultures - 38.1%
karasuk-e scythian (2000-3000 years) - 20.2%
andronovo-srubnaya (3000-4000 years) - 8.4%
yamnaya-afanasievo-poltavka (4000-5000 years) - 9.5%

ancient farmers - 35.0%
west european farmers (4000-5000 years) - 0.0%
levant (4000-8000 years) - 5.1%
neolithic-chalcolithic iran-chg (5000-12000 years) - 15.6%
east european farmers (5000-8000 years) - 14.3%

southeast Eurasian - 21.3%

eastern non africans (modern) - 3.5%

western european & scandinavian hunter gatherers (4000-5000 years) - 1.0%

african - 1.0%
east african (modern) - 0.5%
west african (modern) - 0.5%

poi
11-01-2017, 08:46 PM
You actually scored very similar to Punjabis. What's interesting is that you are Brahmin and yet there is no West euro farmer in your results like Brahmins from India.

We are told from history (whether or not it is true) that the Brahmins in the himalayan hills (aka paharis) are made up of the native hill Khas brahmins and brahmins from the "South" imported by the kingdoms. Nepali, is a Pahari language originally called Khaskura (lit. language of Khas). According to Wikipedia, Pahari and Punjabi are from the same sub-branch of IA. If that history is indeed accurate, perhaps my ancestry breakdown shows predominantly Khas brahmins (and similar to Punjabis). My brahmin ancestry does come from a more rural side of Nepal... not really part of any royal patronage, lol. Also, the ancestral villages up in the hills were almost always exclusively brahmins of same gotra. They married with other brahmin villages, obviously with different gotras.

parasar
11-01-2017, 09:07 PM
You actually scored very similar to Punjabis. What's interesting is that you are Brahmin and yet there is no West euro farmer in your results like Brahmins from India.

...

0% West Euro Farmer in my case too.

parasar
11-01-2017, 09:10 PM
We are told from history (whether or not it is true) that the Brahmins in the himalayan hills (aka paharis) are made up of the native hill Khas brahmins and brahmins from the "South" imported by the kingdoms. Nepali, is a Pahari language originally called Khaskura (lit. language of Khas). According to Wikipedia, Pahari and Punjabi are from the same sub-branch of IA. If that history is indeed accurate, perhaps my ancestry breakdown shows predominantly Khas brahmins (and similar to Punjabis). My brahmin ancestry does come from a more rural side of Nepal... not really part of any royal patronage, lol. Also, the ancestral villages up in the hills were almost always exclusively brahmins of same gotra. They married with other brahmin villages, obviously with different gotras.

poi, if I may ask, what's your gotra?

pnb123
11-02-2017, 07:11 AM
poi, if I may ask, what's your gotra?

According to his surname, he belongs to Bhardwaja Gotra. In Nepal, usually a surname would only be associate with one Gotra, except if your surname is general (like Sharma, Upadhaya, etc). But I think Gotras have nothing to do with admixture ?

parasar
11-02-2017, 03:16 PM
According to his surname, he belongs to Bhardwaja Gotra. In Nepal, usually a surname would only be associate with one Gotra, except if your surname is general (like Sharma, Upadhaya, etc). But I think Gotras have nothing to do with admixture ?

Gotra of course is more of historical value in tracking migrations - essentially same as the Y-line.
Y-lines are a limited locus no doubt, but folk like Nepali Brahmans who may be as much as ~60% or more R1a1, this locus will correlate quite strongly with their autosomal dna.

khanabadoshi
11-02-2017, 05:27 PM
I'm going to update the PCA with South Asians and some Near Easterners only.

This is who I have. Anyone missing?





[Assyrian] - Zephyrous


[Bengali] - Reza


[Bengali] - Reza Mother


[Bengali] - Zayd


[Brahmin; E Indian] - parasar


[Brahmin; Iyer Tamil] - Varun R


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - pnb123


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - poi


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - Brother


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - serena297


[Egyptian] - Copt 1


[Indian] - Qazi Relative


[Iranian; Qashqai/Bakhtiari] - Saba123


[Iranian; Qashqai] - Saba123 Aunt


[Iranian; SW] - Jesus


[Iranian] - Baloch


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGM .balq


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGMBrother


[Kurdish; Feyli] - North Iraq 2


[Kurdish; Feyli] - Zoran


[Kurdish; Kurmanji] - North Iraq 3


[Kurdish] - KurdSE


[Kurdish] - North Iraq 1


[Lebanese] - Batroun


[Malayali; Nair] - bmoney


[Mauritian] JFWinstone (Mother)


[Pashtun/Tajik] - Ruhka


[Pashtun/Tajik] - VelvetNono


[Pashtun; Yusufzai] - Kaido


[Pashtun] - Mohmand Agency


[Punjabi; Gujjar] - Xehanort


[Punjabi; Jatt Chauhan] - noman


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Gandhara


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Sapporo


[Punjabi; Rajput + Kashmiri] - Lahore


[Punjabi; Rajput]


[Punjabi; Tarkhan] - MonkeyDLuffy


[Punjabi] - TJRocks760


[Saraiki; Syed/Durrani] - Multan


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli + Balq] - mAunt


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli] - mGFSister .Sadia


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Brother


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - khanabadoshi


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Sister


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri] - pUncle .Jam


[Saraiki-Baloch/Punjabi] - Cousin (Leghari)


[Sindhi] - heksindhi


[Syrian] - Abd.H


[Telugu; Reddy] - kush


[Trinidadian] - Brother


[Trinidadian] - Mother


[Trinidadian] - ssamlal


[Turkish; Laz] - XooR


[Turkish] - Balikesir 16653


[Turkish] - Kayseri 23271


[Turkish] - Konya





Also, GANDHARA and PNB123: I can't find your full scores. For Gandhara, I need all the Famer's scores. For pnb123, I need all scores besides the Steppe.

bmoney
11-02-2017, 11:52 PM
I'm going to update the PCA with South Asians and some Near Easterners only.

This is who I have. Anyone missing?





[Assyrian] - Zephyrous


[Bengali] - Reza


[Bengali] - Reza Mother


[Bengali] - Zayd


[Brahmin; E Indian] - parasar


[Brahmin; Iyer Tamil] - Varun R


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - pnb123


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - poi


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - Brother


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - serena297


[Egyptian] - Copt 1


[Indian] - Qazi Relative


[Iranian; Qashqai/Bakhtiari] - Saba123


[Iranian; Qashqai] - Saba123 Aunt


[Iranian; SW] - Jesus


[Iranian] - Baloch


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGM .balq


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGMBrother


[Kurdish; Feyli] - North Iraq 2


[Kurdish; Feyli] - Zoran


[Kurdish; Kurmanji] - North Iraq 3


[Kurdish] - KurdSE


[Kurdish] - North Iraq 1


[Lebanese] - Batroun


[Malayali; Nair] - bmoney


[Mauritian] JFWinstone (Mother)


[Pashtun/Tajik] - Ruhka


[Pashtun/Tajik] - VelvetNono


[Pashtun; Yusufzai] - Kaido


[Pashtun] - Mohmand Agency


[Punjabi; Gujjar] - Xehanort


[Punjabi; Jatt Chauhan] - noman


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Gandhara


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Sapporo


[Punjabi; Rajput + Kashmiri] - Lahore


[Punjabi; Rajput]


[Punjabi; Tarkhan] - MonkeyDLuffy


[Punjabi] - TJRocks760


[Saraiki; Syed/Durrani] - Multan


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli + Balq] - mAunt


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli] - mGFSister .Sadia


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Brother


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - khanabadoshi


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Sister


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri] - pUncle .Jam


[Saraiki-Baloch/Punjabi] - Cousin (Leghari)


[Sindhi] - heksindhi


[Syrian] - Abd.H


[Telugu; Reddy] - kush


[Trinidadian] - Brother


[Trinidadian] - Mother


[Trinidadian] - ssamlal


[Turkish; Laz] - XooR


[Turkish] - Balikesir 16653


[Turkish] - Kayseri 23271


[Turkish] - Konya





Also, GANDHARA and PNB123: I can't find your full scores. For Gandhara, I need all the Famer's scores. For pnb123, I need all scores besides the Steppe.

Thanks Khana, where do you normally publish the PCA?

Also I would call @Parasar Bihari Brahmin. Eastern India is too broad and Bihar would be significantly different to Orissa or Assam

jortita
11-03-2017, 01:21 AM
I'm going to update the PCA with South Asians and some Near Easterners only.

This is who I have. Anyone missing?





[Assyrian] - Zephyrous


[Bengali] - Reza


[Bengali] - Reza Mother


[Bengali] - Zayd


[Brahmin; E Indian] - parasar


[Brahmin; Iyer Tamil] - Varun R


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - pnb123


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - poi


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - Brother


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - serena297


[Egyptian] - Copt 1


[Indian] - Qazi Relative


[Iranian; Qashqai/Bakhtiari] - Saba123


[Iranian; Qashqai] - Saba123 Aunt


[Iranian; SW] - Jesus


[Iranian] - Baloch


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGM .balq


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGMBrother


[Kurdish; Feyli] - North Iraq 2


[Kurdish; Feyli] - Zoran


[Kurdish; Kurmanji] - North Iraq 3


[Kurdish] - KurdSE


[Kurdish] - North Iraq 1


[Lebanese] - Batroun


[Malayali; Nair] - bmoney


[Mauritian] JFWinstone (Mother)


[Pashtun/Tajik] - Ruhka


[Pashtun/Tajik] - VelvetNono


[Pashtun; Yusufzai] - Kaido


[Pashtun] - Mohmand Agency


[Punjabi; Gujjar] - Xehanort


[Punjabi; Jatt Chauhan] - noman


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Gandhara


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Sapporo


[Punjabi; Rajput + Kashmiri] - Lahore


[Punjabi; Rajput]


[Punjabi; Tarkhan] - MonkeyDLuffy


[Punjabi] - TJRocks760


[Saraiki; Syed/Durrani] - Multan


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli + Balq] - mAunt


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli] - mGFSister .Sadia


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Brother


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - khanabadoshi


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Sister


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri] - pUncle .Jam


[Saraiki-Baloch/Punjabi] - Cousin (Leghari)


[Sindhi] - heksindhi


[Syrian] - Abd.H


[Telugu; Reddy] - kush


[Trinidadian] - Brother


[Trinidadian] - Mother


[Trinidadian] - ssamlal


[Turkish; Laz] - XooR


[Turkish] - Balikesir 16653


[Turkish] - Kayseri 23271


[Turkish] - Konya





Also, GANDHARA and PNB123: I can't find your full scores. For Gandhara, I need all the Famer's scores. For pnb123, I need all scores besides the Steppe.

Hi Khana, please add me as well, thank you

bol_nat
11-03-2017, 02:05 AM
I'm going to update the PCA with South Asians and some Near Easterners only.

This is who I have. Anyone missing?





[Assyrian] - Zephyrous


[Bengali] - Reza


[Bengali] - Reza Mother


[Bengali] - Zayd


[Brahmin; E Indian] - parasar


[Brahmin; Iyer Tamil] - Varun R


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - pnb123


[Brahmin; Nepalese] - poi


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - Brother


[Bramhin; Saraswat + Chamar] - serena297


[Egyptian] - Copt 1


[Indian] - Qazi Relative


[Iranian; Qashqai/Bakhtiari] - Saba123


[Iranian; Qashqai] - Saba123 Aunt


[Iranian; SW] - Jesus


[Iranian] - Baloch


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGM .balq


[Kho/Uzbek] - mGMBrother


[Kurdish; Feyli] - North Iraq 2


[Kurdish; Feyli] - Zoran


[Kurdish; Kurmanji] - North Iraq 3


[Kurdish] - KurdSE


[Kurdish] - North Iraq 1


[Lebanese] - Batroun


[Malayali; Nair] - bmoney


[Mauritian] JFWinstone (Mother)


[Pashtun/Tajik] - Ruhka


[Pashtun/Tajik] - VelvetNono


[Pashtun; Yusufzai] - Kaido


[Pashtun] - Mohmand Agency


[Punjabi; Gujjar] - Xehanort


[Punjabi; Jatt Chauhan] - noman


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Gandhara


[Punjabi; Jatt] - Sapporo


[Punjabi; Rajput + Kashmiri] - Lahore


[Punjabi; Rajput]


[Punjabi; Tarkhan] - MonkeyDLuffy


[Punjabi] - TJRocks760


[Saraiki; Syed/Durrani] - Multan


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli + Balq] - mAunt


[Saraiki-Baloch/Dehli] - mGFSister .Sadia


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Brother


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - khanabadoshi


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri + Balq] - Sister


[Saraiki-Baloch/Kashmiri] - pUncle .Jam


[Saraiki-Baloch/Punjabi] - Cousin (Leghari)


[Sindhi] - heksindhi


[Syrian] - Abd.H


[Telugu; Reddy] - kush


[Trinidadian] - Brother


[Trinidadian] - Mother


[Trinidadian] - ssamlal


[Turkish; Laz] - XooR


[Turkish] - Balikesir 16653


[Turkish] - Kayseri 23271


[Turkish] - Konya





Also, GANDHARA and PNB123: I can't find your full scores. For Gandhara, I need all the Famer's scores. For pnb123, I need all scores besides the Steppe.

Mine, jatt

https://i.imgur.com/5dYBaUH.jpg

gujjar friend

https://i.imgur.com/l1P3da4.png

khanabadoshi
11-03-2017, 04:41 AM
Hi Khana, please add me as well, thank you

Can you post your results here or PM me.

jortita
11-03-2017, 05:49 AM
LIVING DNA

Southeast Eurasian - 55.5%

Ancient Farmers - 32.4%
West European Farmers - 9.5%
Levant - 5.8%
Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran CHG - 12.9%
East European Farmers - 4.3%

Steppe Cultures - 10%
Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 10%

Eastern Non Africans - 2.1%

jortita
11-03-2017, 05:54 AM
ANCESTRY DNA

Southeast Eurasian - 46.1%

Ancient Farmers - 25.1%
Levant - 4.1%
Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran CHG - 11.6%
East European Farmers - 9.5%

Steppe Cultures - 23.5%
Karasuk - E Scythian -9.4%
Andronovo Srubnaya - 6.3%
Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 7.7%

Eastern Non Africans - 4.7%

African - 0.6%

khanabadoshi
11-03-2017, 06:27 AM
ANCESTRY DNA

Southeast Eurasian - 46.1%

Ancient Farmers - 25.1%
Levant - 4.1%
Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran CHG - 11.6%
East European Farmers - 9.5%

Steppe Cultures - 23.5%
Karasuk - E Scythian -9.4%
Andronovo Srubnaya - 6.3%
Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 7.7%

Eastern Non Africans - 4.7%

African - 0.6%

Correct?




W EURO FARMERS
LEVANT
N/ChL IRAN-CHG
E EURO FARMERS
KARASUK-E. SCYTHIAN
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA
W EURO-SHG
SE. EURASIAN
E. AFRICAN
W. AFRICAN
ENA


[Assamese] - Jortita LivingDNA
9.5
5.8
12.9
4.3
0
0
10
0
55.5
0
0
2.1


[Assamese] - Jortita AncestryDNA
0
4.1
11.6
9.5
9.4
6.3
7.7
0
46.1
0.6
0
4.7




The LivingDNA results are way out of whack for everyone on this calculator. I'll post yours anyways, but I might remove it, if it skews the PCA.

bmoney
11-04-2017, 12:04 AM
LIVING DNA

Southeast Eurasian - 55.5%

Ancient Farmers - 32.4%
West European Farmers - 9.5%
Levant - 5.8%
Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran CHG - 12.9%
East European Farmers - 4.3%

Steppe Cultures - 10%
Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 10%

Eastern Non Africans - 2.1%

Youre R1a1 but no Andronovo... very very interesting @parasar interpretation?

edit: sorry thats livingdna your ancestrydna has andronovo which seems more realistic - but its still the same level as mine and I'm not r1a1

bmoney
11-04-2017, 12:06 AM
According to his surname, he belongs to Bhardwaja Gotra. In Nepal, usually a surname would only be associate with one Gotra, except if your surname is general (like Sharma, Upadhaya, etc). But I think Gotras have nothing to do with admixture ?

You and Poi are very different, Poi clusters with Punjabis - what do you think explains the difference?

Also what is your y-dna?

pnb123
11-04-2017, 12:35 AM
You and Poi are very different, Poi clusters with Punjabis - what do you think explains the difference?

Also what is your y-dna?

My Y-DNA is R1a1a (R-M417), same as Poi. Well, this calculator exactly does not give similar results, even for samples from same family. Khanabadoshi was saying that even some of his family members are scoring higher SE Eurasian. I can't explain what causes the difference though. He is getting higher Karasuk-E-Scythian & I'm getting higher Yamnaya. The only thing that comes into my mind is that some of his Eurasian component is leaking into Karasuk & mine is going into SE Eurasian. Or maybe it's caused by lack of enough samples.

bmoney
11-04-2017, 12:37 AM
My Y-DNA is R1a1a (R-M417), same as Poi. Well, this calculator exactly does not give similar results, even for samples from same family. Khanabadoshi was saying that even some of his family members are scoring higher SE Eurasian. I can't explain what causes the difference though. He is getting higher Karasuk-E-Scythian & I'm getting higher Yamnaya. The only thing that comes into my mind is that some of his Eurasian component is leaking into Karasuk & mine is going into SE Eurasian. Or maybe it's caused by lack of enough samples.

that makes sense - but no difference in historical origins right such as multiple founder populations

pnb123
11-04-2017, 12:43 AM
Gotra of course is more of historical value in tracking migrations - essentially same as the Y-line.
Y-lines are a limited locus no doubt, but folk like Nepali Brahmans who may be as much as ~60% or more R1a1, this locus will correlate quite strongly with their autosomal dna.

It seems like Poi and I've different admixtures on Kurd's K12 calculator. He gets more of Karasuk, but I get more Yamnaya. He gets about 25% Karasuk, but I only get about half of it. That's a huge difference for people of same ethnicity. In HarappaWorld, our difference is usually about 1-3%. Overall, our West Eurasian total is almost similar. What do you think explains this difference ?

pnb123
11-04-2017, 01:02 AM
that makes sense - but no difference in historical origins right such as multiple founder populations

Here is some Nepali brahmin's HarappaWorld admixture scores:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2225-Experimentation-with-Admixture-Software&p=56125&viewfull=1#post56125

We all are pretty similar & my admixture also doesn't seem to be quite different from other Nepali Brahmins too. Maybe multiple founder populations are possible (he said he is of Kumai origin, which basically means brahmin of Kumaoni origin but now live throughout Nepal from East to West, which is right next to the Western Nepal & my group originates in Western Nepal, but then slowly starting migrating to the East). But it's very hard to decipher where we originally come from, as there is no written history about our migration to Nepal. Phenotypically, there's no difference at all, and we both are pretty strict when it comes to intermarrying with other castes. If such intermarriages do occur, then they don't remain Brahmins anymore. Genetically, we are showing similar admixtures & it's very hard to tell who is of what origin just by looking at admixture.

Edit: I'm getting 35% S Indian, poi is getting 33%, a difference of 2%. He seems to be 2% more East shifted than I'm in HarappaWorld.

MonkeyDLuffy
11-04-2017, 12:14 PM
Here is some Nepali brahmin's HarappaWorld admixture scores:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2225-Experimentation-with-Admixture-Software&p=56125&viewfull=1#post56125

We all are pretty similar & my admixture also doesn't seem to be quite different from other Nepali Brahmins too. Maybe multiple founder populations are possible (he said he is of Kumai origin, which basically means brahmin of Kumaoni origin but now live throughout Nepal from East to West, which is right next to the Western Nepal & my group originates in Western Nepal, but then slowly starting migrating to the East). But it's very hard to decipher where we originally come from, as there is no written history about our migration to Nepal. Phenotypically, there's no difference at all, and we both are pretty strict when it comes to intermarrying with other castes. If such intermarriages do occur, then they don't remain Brahmins anymore. Genetically, we are showing similar admixtures & it's very hard to tell who is of what origin just by looking at admixture.

Edit: I'm getting 35% S Indian, poi is getting 33%, a difference of 2%. He seems to be 2% more East shifted than I'm in HarappaWorld.

I expect garhwali/Kumaoni brahmins to be more E asian shifted. I remember someone mentioned on group chat once that a Garhwali brahmin had 30% east asian which is really high but at the same time I'm not surprised either as I'm quite familiar with them. They are less Isolated than Nepali Brahmins since they mixed with Tibeto-Burmese like people who originally lived in Himalayas, while the gene flow to Nepal mainland was via Northern UP.

khanabadoshi
11-04-2017, 12:40 PM
My Y-DNA is R1a1a (R-M417), same as Poi. Well, this calculator exactly does not give similar results, even for samples from same family. Khanabadoshi was saying that even some of his family members are scoring higher SE Eurasian. I can't explain what causes the difference though. He is getting higher Karasuk-E-Scythian & I'm getting higher Yamnaya. The only thing that comes into my mind is that some of his Eurasian component is leaking into Karasuk & mine is going into SE Eurasian. Or maybe it's caused by lack of enough samples.

Both being R-M417 isn't enough information to draw any conclusions, unless you are comparing to something like J. Pretty much everyone who is R1+, is positive for something way downstream of R-M417. Basically, you need downstream info to even begin to start discussing the autosomal effects of your y-HG. Even then it's limited because most people's terminal SNPs are like 3000-4000 ybp; which is much older than the ethnogenesis of our modern groups/languages.

Kurd
11-04-2017, 01:29 PM
It seems like Poi and I've different admixtures on Kurd's K12 calculator. He gets more of Karasuk, but I get more Yamnaya. He gets about 25% Karasuk, but I only get about half of it. That's a huge difference for people of same ethnicity. In HarappaWorld, our difference is usually about 1-3%. Overall, our West Eurasian total is almost similar. What do you think explains this difference ?


Good point, and this goes to the heart of one of the big problems with ADMIXTURE calculators on Gedmatch, which is discussed on my website in greater detail. Theway those calculators are put together artificially minimizes intra-pop variation. Not just Harappa but all the calculators at Gedmatch. They pick up on a few similar SNPs amongst populations and ignore their differences. You can see this with IBS which is sensitive to total drift history.

I bet if you and the other person were to do IBS comparisons with Karasuk, you’ll be ranked further apart from each other thus supporting the K12 result. I see this all the time whenever I compare IBS results with Gedmatch calculator results. With Gedmatch individuals within populations cluster close together, but whenever I do IBS those members are scattered all over the place with regards to ranking.

jortita
11-04-2017, 01:34 PM
Good point, and this goes to the heart of one of the big problems with ADMIXTURE calculators on Gedmatch, which is discussed on my website in greater detail. Theway those calculators are put together artificially minimizes intra-pop variation. Not just Harappa but all the calculators at Gedmatch. They pick up on a few similar SNPs amongst populations and ignore their differences. You can see this with IBS which is sensitive to total drift history.

I bet if you and the other person were to do IBS comparisons with Karasuk, you’ll be ranked further apart from each other thus supporting the K12 result. I see this all the time whenever I compare IBS results with Gedmatch calculator results. With Gedmatch individuals within populations cluster close together, but whenever I do IBS those members are scattered all over the place with regards to ranking.

Hi kurd, would appreciate an update on the calculator with modern populations you intend to upload on Geneplaza, thanks

MonkeyDLuffy
11-04-2017, 01:35 PM
Good point, and this goes to the heart of one of the big problems with ADMIXTURE calculators on Gedmatch, which is discussed on my website in greater detail. Theway those calculators are put together artificially minimizes intra-pop variation. Not just Harappa but all the calculators at Gedmatch. They pick up on a few similar SNPs amongst populations and ignore their differences. You can see this with IBS which is sensitive to total drift history.

I bet if you and the other person were to do IBS comparisons with Karasuk, you’ll be ranked further apart from each other thus supporting the K12 result. I see this all the time whenever I compare IBS results with Gedmatch calculator results. With Gedmatch individuals within populations cluster close together, but whenever I do IBS those members are scattered all over the place with regards to ranking.

So is that the reason why my South Eurasian is lower than majority of members, who usually have lower South Indian/Asian than me on other calculators?

Kurd
11-04-2017, 01:40 PM
Hi kurd, would appreciate an update on the calculator with modern populations you intend to upload on Geneplaza, thanks

I intend to get back to it as soon as I wrap up the article on diploid genotyping aDNA which I have been busy with over the past couple of months. Hopefully by December

Kurd
11-04-2017, 01:44 PM
So is that the reason why my South Eurasian is lower than majority of members, who usually have lower South Indian/Asian than me on other calculators?

That and also the fact that SE Eurasian is defined very differently than S Indian on other calculators. Here it is a guesstimate of ASI based off of a combination of Onge and SE Asians.

MonkeyDLuffy
11-04-2017, 01:47 PM
That and also the fact that SE Eurasian is defined very differently than S Indian on other calculators. Here it is a guesstimate of ASI based off of a combination of Onge and SE Asians.

Thanks! So basically my Onge/SE asian like ancestry is lower than the other members. Hopefully with Rakhigarh samples we will have better ASI based sample.

Kurd
11-04-2017, 01:54 PM
Thanks! So basically my Onge/SE asian like ancestry is lower than the other members. Hopefully with Rakhigarh samples we will have better ASI based sample.

Yeah but I think you usually have higher ANE-Scythian than many.

i wouldn’t get my hopes too high on a full understanding of ASI. Rakhigarh is a little too young and too far north for that IMO, but it should help us better characterize S Asian substructure

MonkeyDLuffy
11-04-2017, 02:00 PM
Yeah but I think you usually have higher ANE-Scythian than many.

i wouldn’t get my hopes too high on a full understanding of ASI. Rakhigarh is a little too young and too far north for that IMO, but it should help us better characterize S Asian substructure

I scored the highest similarity to Scythian on your 500K SNP runs. My ANE is usually similar to haryana jatts. So there is possibility that it probably pulls me a little to the east, and leaks into SI on other calculators.

Gandhara
11-04-2017, 02:19 PM
I scored the highest similarity to Scythian on your 500K SNP runs. My ANE is usually similar to haryana jatts. So there is possibility that it probably pulls me a little to the east, and leaks into SI on other calculators.

where is the 500 K SNP run? is this the same as geneplaza from where I pasted my results from? or is this different one?

MonkeyDLuffy
11-04-2017, 02:26 PM
where is the 500 K SNP run? is this the same as geneplaza from where I pasted my results from? or is this different one?

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6502-500K-SNP-Member-IBS-Comparisons

pnb123
11-04-2017, 06:01 PM
I expect garhwali/Kumaoni brahmins to be more E asian shifted. I remember someone mentioned on group chat once that a Garhwali brahmin had 30% east asian which is really high but at the same time I'm not surprised either as I'm quite familiar with them. They are less Isolated than Nepali Brahmins since they mixed with Tibeto-Burmese like people who originally lived in Himalayas, while the gene flow to Nepal mainland was via Northern UP.

30% East Asian in Garhwali Brahmins is pretty surprising to me. I have hardly seen any Nepali Brahmins with that much East Asian (all Nepali Brahmins in my Gedmatch list are scoring less than 10%, with average of around 7%).

Xehanort
11-06-2017, 02:40 AM
Thanks! So basically my Onge/SE asian like ancestry is lower than the other members. Hopefully with Rakhigarh samples we will have better ASI based sample.

Actually, mine is a bit lower at 14.6%.

MonkeyDLuffy
11-06-2017, 02:59 AM
Actually, mine is a bit lower at 14.6%.

I was pointing at regular members who have lower SI than me on other calculators :)

Xehanort
11-06-2017, 04:36 AM
I was pointing at regular members who have lower SI than me on other calculators :)

Oh okay, sorry about that bro. I don't think it matters though, lol. We can never calculate SI unless and until we have the Rakhigarhi samples.

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 11:37 AM
Hi guys,

I thought I would add myself to this post. I feel like a spare part compared to you veterans! LOL

For those who havent come across me already. I am a Kashmiri Pakreel Jatt from the Pakreel Rajput.



Here I my results, let me know what you think.

STEPPE CULTURES 38.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)11.3%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)20.8%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)6.4%

ANCIENT FARMERS 30.3%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)20.3%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)5.3%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.9%

EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)3.7%

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 2.3%

AFRICAN 1.4%
EAST AFRICAN (modern)1.4%

MonkeyDLuffy
11-08-2017, 01:05 PM
Hi guys,

I thought I would add myself to this post. I feel like a spare part compared to you veterans! LOL

For those who havent come across me already. I am a Kashmiri Pakreel Jatt from the Pakreel Rajput.

Timeline of family

Left Jammu, Kashmir for Rawalpindi around 1150 - 1200 AD

Left Rawalpindi for Bhimber, Azad Kashmir 14-1450 AD

Here I my results, let me know what you think.

STEPPE CULTURES 38.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)11.3%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)20.8%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)6.4%

ANCIENT FARMERS 30.3%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)20.3%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)5.3%

EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)3.7%

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 2.3%

AFRICAN 1.4%
EAST AFRICAN (modern)1.4%

You forgot to type the South eurasian mate :)

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 01:19 PM
You forgot to type the South eurasian mate :)

No worries. I have amended. Let me know your thoughts!

bmoney
11-08-2017, 01:27 PM
Hi guys,

I thought I would add myself to this post. I feel like a spare part compared to you veterans! LOL

For those who havent come across me already. I am a Kashmiri Pakreel Jatt from the Pakreel Rajput.

Timeline of family

Left Jammu, Kashmir for Rawalpindi around 1150 - 1200 AD

Left Rawalpindi for Bhimber, Azad Kashmir 14-1450 AD

Here I my results, let me know what you think.

STEPPE CULTURES 38.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)11.3%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)20.8%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)6.4%

ANCIENT FARMERS 30.3%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)20.3%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)5.3%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.9%

EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)3.7%

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years) 2.3%

AFRICAN 1.4%
EAST AFRICAN (modern)1.4%

You stand out from other South Asians in that you have very high late steppe Indo-Aryan ancestry via Andronovo, i think you would be near the top among forum members who've posted so far

Your CHG is very high - associated with the IVC/BMAC and your Eastern + Western farmer component is much lower than usually seen in NW India

MonkeyDLuffy
11-08-2017, 01:32 PM
No worries. I have amended. Let me know your thoughts!

I'm surprised again, your ENA + South Eurasian scores seems higher than me, which was not the case on Harappa, but of course Harappa is outdated in comparison to K12. I'm surprised by your Scythian scores as well, since all Punjabis so far have 20+ scythian, while you are right next to us and yet there is huge difference.

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 01:38 PM
You stand out from other South Asians in that you have very high late steppe Indo-Aryan ancestry via Andronovo, i think you would be near the top among forum members who've posted so far

Your CHG is very high - associated with the IVC/BMAC and your Eastern + Western farmer component is much lower than usually seen in NW India

What is the significance of having a very late steppe ancestry? Would one assume we arrived into South Asia quite late?

You have to forgive me, what does IVC/BMAC stand for?

I was wondering about the CHG, I have had several tests point to a Zagros Mountain claim. I dont know how much weight to give it.

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 01:44 PM
I'm surprised again, your ENA + South Eurasian scores seems higher than me, which was not the case on Harappa, but of course Harappa is outdated in comparison to K12. I'm surprised by your Scythian scores as well, since all Punjabis so far have 20+ scythian, while you are right next to us and yet there is huge difference.

I am surprised that my scores compared to Punjabi's differ insofar as I thought the Jatts we were marrying in the Mirpur area may have had more of an influence on the genetic makeup. Since many of these migrated in from the potwar plataeu. I do know that there is a lot of Endogamy in the last 6 generations with some outside marriages to other jatts, which is how far my tree goes back with any meaningful data. I think this could have carried on further up the tree.

bmoney
11-08-2017, 01:44 PM
What is the significance of having a very late steppe ancestry? Would one assume we arrived into South Asia quite late?

You have to forgive me, what does IVC/BMAC stand for?

I was wondering about the CHG, I have had several tests point to a Zagros Mountain claim. I dont know how much weight to give it.

From what I've read so far - Andronovo is the best marker for r1a1 and the Indo-Aryans - there were multiple steppe waves into SA and Andronovo/Srubna came the latest (or Scythian came even later) bringing Indo-Aryan languages - usually Brahmins score high in this component as they were the flag bearers of Aryan culture

CHG corresponds to Zargros/Iran_N/Iran_Hotu - this component peaks in Baluchistan and was probably prevalent in the Indus Valley Harrapa Civ and the closely located BMAC culture so is old in South Asia - neolithic farmers who came from Iran

Could you tell me what your Caucasus Hunter Gatherer % is in the Gedrosia K9 ASI calc on gedmatch?

MonkeyDLuffy
11-08-2017, 01:45 PM
What is the significance of having a very late steppe ancestry? Would one assume we arrived into South Asia quite late?

You have to forgive me, what does IVC/BMAC stand for?

I was wondering about the CHG, I have had several tests point to a Zagros Mountain claim. I dont know how much weight to give it.

IVC = Indus Valley Civilization
BMAC = Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex (Bronze age central asia)

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 01:47 PM
duplicate-

MonkeyDLuffy
11-08-2017, 01:48 PM
I am surprised that my scores compared to Punjabi's differ insofar as I thought the Jatts we were marrying in the Mirpur area may have had more of an influence on the genetic makeup. Since many of these migrated in from the potwar plataeu. I do know that there is a lot of Endogamy in the last 6 generations with some outside marriages to other jatts, which is how far my tree goes back with any meaningful data. I think this could have carried on further up the tree.

Don't be surprised by variation among Biradaris, Punjabi Sikh jatts score different from Hindu and Muslim Jatts. Even the Punjabi jatts score different from Southern punjabi jatts. There is a huge variation among us tarkhans as well, my scores are very different from other tarkhans so far, since they score very high Baloch, which I don't.

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 01:50 PM
From what I've read so far - Andronovo is the best marker for r1a1 and the Indo-Aryans - there were multiple steppe waves into SA and Andronovo/Srubna came the latest (or Scythian came even later) bringing Indo-Aryan languages - usually Brahmins score high in this component as they were the flag bearers of Aryan culture

CHG corresponds to Zargros/Iran_N/Iran_Hotu - this component peaks in Baluchistan and was probably prevalent in the Indus Valley Harrapa Civ and the closely located BMAC culture so is old in South Asia - neolithic farmers who came from Iran

Could you tell me what your Caucasus Hunter Gatherer % is in the Gedrosia K9 ASI calc on gedmatch?

Ah I get you.

Here are the results

Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 55.02

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 01:53 PM
Don't be surprised by variation among Biradaris, Punjabi Sikh jatts score different from Hindu and Muslim Jatts. Even the Punjabi jatts score different from Southern punjabi jatts. There is a huge variation among us tarkhans as well, my scores are very different from other tarkhans so far, since they score very high Baloch, which I don't.

Fair enough. That makes sense.

bmoney
11-08-2017, 02:00 PM
Ah I get you.

Here are the results

Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 55.02

Yep youd be among the highest, I think Sapporo (Sikh Jatt) got the highest in the forum at 58 or 59%

MonkeyDLuffy
11-08-2017, 02:04 PM
Yep youd be among the highest, I think Sapporo (Sikh Jatt) got the highest in the forum at 58 or 59%

reminds me that I never posted my K9

Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 53.49

vintage_sky
11-08-2017, 10:02 PM
Hi,

These are the results of one of my relatives (not blood related). He is from the Mirs of Sringar who have their ancestor as Mir Ali Hamdani going back to Iran. Family moved to Azad Kashmir few hundred years ago.

ANCIENT FARMERS 38.7%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)2.2%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)21.2%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)15.2%

STEPPE CULTURES 33.9%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)10.1%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)15.2%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)8.6%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.8%

EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 2.5%

AFRICAN 1.0%
EAST AFRICAN (modern)1.0%

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%

Interestingly, even though he is not related to me genetically he has high Andronovo-Srubnaya like me!

bmoney
11-08-2017, 11:50 PM
Hi,

These are the results of one of my relatives (not blood related). He is from the Mirs of Sringar who have their ancestor as Mir Ali Hamdani going back to Iran. Family moved to Azad Kashmir few hundred years ago.

ANCIENT FARMERS 38.7%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)2.2%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)21.2%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)15.2%

STEPPE CULTURES 33.9%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)10.1%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)15.2%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)8.6%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 23.8%

EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 2.5%

AFRICAN 1.0%
EAST AFRICAN (modern)1.0%

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)0.0%

Interestingly, even though he is not related to me genetically he has high Andronovo-Srubnaya like me!

Not very different to that area, the only think that might mark the extra Iranian is the EEF%

gyanwali
12-16-2017, 06:19 PM
I had (Scythian - 12.6, Andronovo - 8.1, Yamnaya - 16.2). Perhaps, I'm the only South Asian who scored more Yamnaya than Andronovo or Scythian ? It could be because Nepali brahmins mixture is a bit older and more related to earlier Indo-Europeans than newer ones ?

I got
43.1% Steppe
24.2% SE Eurasian
22.4% Ancient Farmer
5.3% WHG
4.9% Eastern Non Africans

poi
12-16-2017, 08:43 PM
I got
43.1% Steppe
24.2% SE Eurasian
22.4% Ancient Farmer
5.3% WHG
4.9% Eastern Non Africans

Post your results in khanabadoshi's awesome spreadsheet where many anthrogenica users have their results.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=3EEB7FF0539CE6F!12589&ithint=file%2cxlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AFslpdU5ygC-_os