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murtazasayeed
11-24-2017, 02:59 PM
Hi guys I just received my Y Haplo from 23andme. It's E-M5021 and I uploaded the raw file to MORLEYDNA Y-SNP subclade predictor and it says I'm most likely E1b1b1a1b. Is that ancient Isrealite that I keep reading about?

kingjohn
11-24-2017, 03:11 PM
it means your direct paternal line is more
than likely Balkan branch
and maybe a lost Greek soldier from alexander the great campaign
kind regards
adam

Govan
11-24-2017, 03:18 PM
It's more widely known as EV13 and peaks in Balkan nations like Albania , Kosovo , Greece et al.

murtazasayeed
11-24-2017, 03:21 PM
It would make sense If I didn't have a paper trail from Arabia through Persia to Samarkand and then Afghanistan in the last 1000 years lol.

Tz85
11-24-2017, 04:17 PM
It would make sense If I didn't have a paper trail from Arabia through Persia to Samarkand and then Afghanistan in the last 1000 years lol.

Back migration probably. Most E-M78 subclades are North East African in origin other than E-V13 which is no doubt Balkan.

AbdoNumen
11-24-2017, 07:08 PM
I can tell you I know one Mountain Jew from north Daghestan who's also E-M5021. For all they know, they've been in north Caucasus for centuries.

drobbah
11-24-2017, 07:30 PM
If 23&me gave you E-M5021 then that means you tested negative for everything downstream which means you aren't even V13.

As for how your haplogroup ended up in Central Asia.I really have no clue.....

Targum
11-24-2017, 07:35 PM
I thought E-M5021 was a typical Jewish subclade

murtazasayeed
11-24-2017, 07:40 PM
SO DID I!!!! I'm so confused...

murtazasayeed
11-24-2017, 07:42 PM
I thought E-M5021 was a typical Jewish subclade

So did I, I'm so confused. Can someone help me out and delve into this deeper?

Skerdilaidas
11-24-2017, 07:52 PM
If 23&me gave you E-M5021 then that means you tested negative for everything downstream which means you aren't even V13.

As for how your haplogroup ended up in Central Asia.I really have no clue.....
Nah thatís most likely not the case, 23andme with the new v5 chip isnít reporting anything downstream. Few fellow Albanians who have been reported as such were actually V13+ when I looked into their raw data.

drobbah
11-24-2017, 08:09 PM
Nah that’s most likely not the case, 23andme with the new v5 chip isn’t reporting anything downstream. Few fellow Albanians who have been reported as such were actually V13+ when I looked into their raw data.

I remember when I first got tested they gave me E-M78 then when they upgraded me they gave me E-V32.That's messed up if they went back to their former ways....Thanks for the info though!

@Murtaza I guess you can still potentially be a descendant of Alexander's army lol

Tz85
11-24-2017, 10:11 PM
I remember when I first got tested they gave me E-M78 then when they upgraded me they gave me E-V32.That's messed up if they went back to their former ways....Thanks for the info though!

@Murtaza I guess you can still potentially be a descendant of Alexander's army lol

I too was assigned E-M78, and it took FTDNA 16 weeks to figure out my sub-clade.

Oliver.s
11-26-2017, 01:39 PM
Hi there. My 23andme genetic test shows E-M5021 but the Morley DNA analysis shows E1b1b1a1b3
E-L17.

So like you I have the same. And I'm from England. So is this a Balkan thing or a Jewish ancestory sort of thing.


Any ideas

Oliver.s

Lupus82
11-28-2017, 11:21 PM
Hi guys I just received my Y Haplo from 23andme. It's E-M5021 and I uploaded the raw file to MORLEYDNA Y-SNP subclade predictor and it says I'm most likely E1b1b1a1b. Is that ancient Isrealite that I keep reading about?

Can you post your Dodecad K12 and Eurogenes K36, please?

murtazasayeed
11-29-2017, 02:28 PM
Well so According to Morleys subclade predictor, it has me as likely either e1b1b1a1b or more refined E1b1b1b1a2-2 E-V168 . Is v168 Balkan or Yahoodi lol?

Tz85
11-29-2017, 11:52 PM
Well so According to Morleys subclade predictor, it has me as likely either e1b1b1a1b or more refined E1b1b1b1a2-2 E-V168 . Is v168 Balkan or Yahoodi lol?

My guess is, you probably had an Egyptian ancestor, that left, and possibly crossed the Mediterranean.

Tz85
11-30-2017, 12:21 AM
An interesting fact, my Ydna haplogroup is Egyptian in origin, and my surname meams Yah has remembered. Possibly alluding to the exodus, and a Egyptian ancestor leaving mitzrayim. Obviously this was much earlier than a 14th century Italian surname, but who knows, maybe someone kept that traditon alive. What's clear, my Italian direct line came from Egypt.

AbdoNumen
01-05-2018, 01:03 AM
murtazasayeed, have you done Y-DNA testing through FTDNA? I might be able to get a Mountain Jew who's also E-M5021 tested and you can compare. Both may originate in Persia.

Targum
01-05-2018, 03:39 AM
Well so According to Morleys subclade predictor, it has me as likely either e1b1b1a1b or more refined E1b1b1b1a2-2 E-V168 . Is v168 Balkan or Yahoodi lol?

Hello E-M5021 cuz!

Southern Spaniard
01-08-2018, 09:10 AM
I also show as E-M5021 on 23andme. All my closest matches on FTDNA are Sephardim. Or matches with known Jewish ancestry. DNA Land gives me Western Levant Israel admixture. But FTDNA gives me Eastern Levant even central Asian admixture.

AbdoNumen
01-10-2018, 10:41 PM
I also show as E-M5021 on 23andme. All my closest matches on FTDNA are Sephardim. Or matches with known Jewish ancestry. DNA Land gives me Western Levant Israel admixture. But FTDNA gives me Eastern Levant even central Asian admixture.

Our Y-DNA is only a fraction of the whole genome. I know someone with a clear Western European haplotype who shows less than 3% European on the autosomal level. You should do a Y-DNA test and compare your results to others'.

Tz85
01-18-2018, 08:00 PM
According to Ftdna my haplogroup is E-V12*, 23andme also lists me at E-V12, however Morley assigned my ancestrydna file as E1b1b1b1a2~2 or V-168. 23andme also says this. Which one is it? E-V12* or E-M5021?

Your haplogroup spread with the first farmers.
E-M5021
The spread of agriculture transformed the way of life in Europe.
Your paternal line stems from a branch of E-M215 called E-M5021. Men bearing this lineage migrated from the Balkans to southwestern Europe during the spread of agriculture by early farmers in the agricultural revolution, which began about 10,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent. Early members of your haplogroup, some of the world’s first farmers, had a competitive advantage over native men, who didn’t have farming technology. As a result of this advantage, your haplogroup became widespread and populous during the agricultural revolution. The effects of this ancient advantage are still seen today, with your haplogroup being represented from Portugal and Spain to Palestine, southern Africa, and Russia.

curieux
01-31-2018, 10:00 PM
My 23&me haplotypeis E-M5021. My father's people are from villages in the mountains of Arkadia, Greece. Legends tell that the Arkadians were early settlers of Greece.

My question relates to drobbah's comment above: "If 23&me gave you E-M5021 then that means you tested negative for everything downstream which means you aren't even V13."

Is E-M5021 a specific DNA haplotype, or is it a generic classification for a set of subgroups of E-M215 that don't fit into any of the identified subclades.

I hope it is a specific DNA haplotype, because it looks like a really interesting group of people.

Nasir
03-12-2018, 03:02 AM
Why do Somalians have Y dna E M5021

Helena123
05-16-2018, 02:38 AM
I thought E-M5021 was a typical Jewish subclade

Thats not possible, because I have no Jewish DNA. But my greatgrandfather has E-M5021. I think it is from Balkan, Greece etc

best regards
Helena

drobbah
05-16-2018, 10:30 AM
Why do Somalians have Y dna E M5021
*Somalis not Somalians

Awale
05-16-2018, 12:56 PM
*Somalis not Somalians

Lol, yes. Always makes me cringe a bit when I hear or read "Somalians". But on the subject of E-M5021, I was recently quite surprised to find I have two different relatives who seem to carry it. They both have distinct mtDNA lineages so I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they're not particularly related even though they could very well be long lost half-brothers (distinct surnames):

https://i.imgur.com/plGUBvH.png

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https://i.imgur.com/oUkvBnt.png

Might be some sort of rare (i.e. relatively unsuccessful) but old clade among us.

drobbah
05-16-2018, 06:36 PM
Lol, yes. Always makes me cringe a bit when I hear or read "Somalians". But on the subject of E-M5021, I was recently quite surprised to find I have two different relatives who seem to carry it. They both have distinct mtDNA lineages so I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they're not particularly related even though they could very well be long lost half-brothers (distinct surnames):

https://i.imgur.com/plGUBvH.png

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https://i.imgur.com/oUkvBnt.png

Might be some sort of rare (i.e. relatively unsuccessful) but old clade among us.

I have been noticing a surge in E-M5021 Somali carriers on 23&me.I honestly think they are just new users on the V5 chip and that the company has decided it doesn't want to test any deeper than that.

digital_noise
05-16-2018, 09:03 PM
23 and me gives me E-M5021. Morley SNP shows E-CTS1273....PF2211/V13.

Family on dads side are from Calabria on the Ionian Sea side, with probable origins in Greece or the neighboring countries. Will be doing a Y analysis soon.

Arnfried
06-01-2018, 07:51 PM
Hi,

According to 23andme, I'm E-M5021 too. Is E-V13, V22 and V32 belong to this haplogroup? With FTDNA, all my Y-relatives are E-V13, but Y-Predictor (don't remember which) gave me E-V22 at 82%. So I don't really know from which Haplogroup I belong :-S

BackToTheForests
06-01-2018, 08:40 PM
It's strange that 23andMe still tests for E-V13 on their V5 chip but doesn't assign it, log into your account and check here: https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?query=i708014


Genotype "A" is positive for E-V13.

drobbah
06-10-2018, 10:39 PM
Hi,

According to 23andme, I'm E-M5021 too. Is E-V13, V22 and V32 belong to this haplogroup? With FTDNA, all my Y-relatives are E-V13, but Y-Predictor (don't remember which) gave me E-V22 at 82%. So I don't really know from which Haplogroup I belong :-S
V12 and E-Z1919 (V13,V22) are subclades of E-M78 which is in turn a subclade of E-M5021

Arnfried
06-12-2018, 04:55 PM
It's strange that 23andMe still tests for E-V13 on their V5 chip but doesn't assign it, log into your account and check here: https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?query=i708014


Genotype "A" is positive for E-V13.

Thanks.

I'm "G", so I guess I'm definitely E-V22. Waiting for my LivingDNA's results, seems to test deeper than 23andMe!

digital_noise
08-03-2018, 04:27 AM
At some point over the past couple weeks, 23 and Me updated my Y haplogroup fro E-M5021 to E-V13. Just FYI....

Mango
08-04-2018, 03:04 AM
Hey everyone,

I'm also E-M5021 and I'm North African ( Algerian )

With morley I'm E1b1b1b1a2~2 - E-V168 (E-V221) No information for E-V168

AbdoNumen
08-07-2018, 08:39 PM
I noticed that 23andMe updated for many of my genetic relatives. Some who were E-M5021 now show as E-M123.
So give it another look, see if it changed.

Targum
08-07-2018, 09:22 PM
I noticed that 23andMe updated for many of my genetic relatives. Some who were E-M5021 now show as E-M123.
So give it another look, see if it changed.

I just checked and they still have me as EM5021

AbdoNumen
08-08-2018, 04:38 AM
I just checked and they still have me as EM5021

Might be because it was genotyped on older chips. Got word from the company that "certain customers on version 5 of the genotyping chip will observe updated assignments".

Mango
08-08-2018, 07:44 AM
0 update for me I'm still E-M5021 ( I'm on V5 with 23andme )

Herr_Rudolph
06-18-2019, 04:07 AM
It's strange that 23andMe still tests for E-V13 on their V5 chip but doesn't assign it, log into your account and check here: https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?query=i708014


Genotype "A" is positive for E-V13.


What can I gather from Genotype “G?” I was assigned E-L677 (E-V22) on 23andMe, is that confirmed by genotype G?

BackToTheForests
06-18-2019, 01:09 PM
What can I gather from Genotype “G?” I was assigned E-L677 (E-V22) on 23andMe, is that confirmed by genotype G?


I’m not sure if anything can be inferred from that aside from being negative for E-V13. Sorry that I can’t give you a better answer but I really don’t know too much about the subject yet.

vizoivizoi
01-18-2020, 09:23 PM
Hi Haplocousin murtazasayeed. My grandmother patrilinear line is in the same E1b1b1b1a2~2 E-V168.
A north Portugal family :)

vizoivizoi
01-18-2020, 09:28 PM
Well so According to Morleys subclade predictor, it has me as likely either e1b1b1a1b or more refined E1b1b1b1a2-2 E-V168 . Is v168 Balkan or Yahoodi lol?

Hi Haplocousin murtazasayeed. My grandmother patrilinear line is in the same E1b1b1b1a2~2 E-V168.
A north Portugal family :)

Ibericus
01-19-2020, 07:53 AM
Hi Haplocousin murtazasayeed. My grandmother patrilinear line is in the same E1b1b1b1a2~2 E-V168.
A north Portugal family :)

I am also V-168 according to Morley with Myheritage data. Not sure how reliable that is. I am quite sure I am E1b1b but I wouldn't bet on any subclade with these results alone.