PDA

View Full Version : H2a2a1



kitbluee
11-28-2017, 08:34 AM
Looking for more H2a2a1!

I'm trying to build my knowledge on my ancestry from the ground up pretty much.
I believe this (for me) comes from Russia/East Euro. I might be wrong but I get a lot of central Asia Russian markers (even DNA.land picks it up) and also Hungarian seems to be a running theme.
Any info would be great, thank you.

femekh
11-28-2017, 09:58 PM
Not so sure. But I came out with the same mtDNA result. I am Armenian.

therrien.joel
11-30-2017, 02:45 AM
I'll be interested to see if anyone can shed some light on the region that this haplogroup covers.

MikkaK
11-30-2017, 02:14 PM
Hello, I'm also H2a2a1.

My maternal line come from East Germany. If you look at the maps on FtDNA's H2 project and look for H2a2a1 it will give you a map of users who tested the same. Its found pretty much everywhere in Europe but Poland, Germany, GB and Scandanavia seem to have the highest frequency.

Waldemar
11-30-2017, 04:15 PM
Ancient samples with H2a2a1:
- Roman from London (50-70 AD)
- Anglo-Saxon from Hinxton (690-881 AD)
- Proto-Bulgarian from Nojarevo (700-900 AD)
- Proto-Bulgarian from Tuhovishte (800-1000 AD)
- Slav from Detkovice, Czechia (11th c. AD)

H2a2a1 distribution map
20065
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/H%20mtDNA%20Haplogroup?iframe=mtmap

therrien.joel
12-02-2017, 01:52 AM
Unfortunately that map might be a bit misleading. Since these are self submitted data points, we can't determine the extent of where this haplogroup covers because there are very likely areas that nobody submitted from. And if one looks at the whole map, you see a bunch of markers in the US. Does this mean the locations are based on the address that the person is living at, or is it based on their known ancestry?

The ancient samples might be more informative, but still not nearly enough to get an idea of range.

Not a criticism mind you, just a pity that this information isn't available yet it seems.

kitbluee
12-04-2017, 10:25 PM
H1 and H3 are western Europe and H2 is eastern Europe. I've read so many articles etc over the past month or so and found H2a2a1 from eastern Europe, to central Russia, down into Kazakhstan and near countries and also in Armenia and surrounding countries. Basically a circle.
It might also have Turkic links but I'm not 100% sure.

kitbluee
12-04-2017, 10:26 PM
Also I wouldn't rely on the UK data, since we're just a smaller melting pot similar to America at this point.

therrien.joel
12-04-2017, 10:43 PM
H1 and H3 are western Europe and H2 is eastern Europe. I've read so many articles etc over the past month or so and found H2a2a1 from eastern Europe, to central Russia, down into Kazakhstan and near countries and also in Armenia and surrounding countries. Basically a circle.
It might also have Turkic links but I'm not 100% sure.

It's funny that until you mentioned that, I hadn't taken much notice. But going back to 23andMe's description, sure enough there it was:


Origin and Migrations of Haplogroup H2a

Nearly 12,000 years ago, haplogroup H gave rise to the maternal lineage H2. H2a is a common branch of haplogroup H2 that likely arose nearly 11,000 years ago in Turkey or the nearby Caucasus Mountains. For thousands of years, humans had been pushed back from the north of the continent by a wave of cold that covered northern Asia in tundra and created extreme deserts in Central Asia and the Middle East. Several older branches of H2a still reside in the region among present-day populations of Daghestan, on the western shore of the Caspian Sea, where the haplogroup reaches levels of 25%.

As the harsh climate gradually retreated, humans re-emerged from their isolated refuges, and northward migrations likely carried H2a up the Volga River to the northern Ural Mountains, where it gradually spread through parts of Russia and Central Asia. Migrations from the Middle East also carried H2a into eastern European populations. Russians, Estonians, and Finns all carry H2a at levels of more than 6%. Those migrations may have involved women who spoke the Finno-Ugric languages of central Russia, because both the Finnish and Estonian languages derive from those non-European roots.

I think I took a look at their map that was for all of haplogroup H and didn't see the specific discussion of h2a's domain.

kitbluee
12-05-2017, 02:11 PM
These are my latest calcs from Lukasz' k30 in case anyone else is interested:

9.12% Caucasian (Chechen, Kabardin, Adygei, Avar, LEzgin, Tabassaran, Abkhazian)
3.88% Paleo-Balkan (ONLY Albanians form Tirana and Kosovo, no South Slavs, no Greeks)
1.84% East-Med (Cyprus, Christian Lebanon, Samaritan, NO Druzes)
12.47% SW-Euro (Basque French and Spanish)
11.02% East-Slavic (Ukraine Chernigov, Belgorod, Belarussian Polesye, Russian Kursk, Orjol, Smolensk)
1.31% Volgan (Chuvash)
24.79% Celtic (English Cornwall, Irish, Scotland)
0.15% Uralic (Mansi, Khanty, Forest Nenet)
8.23% West-Finnic (Vepsian, Karelian, Ingrian)
0.51% Amazonian (Surui, Karitiana)
2.66% Baltic (Latvian)
13.99% Scando-Germanic (Sweden, Norway)
3.41% West-Med (Sardinian)
3.49% Pamirian (Tajik Pomiri and Yagnobi)

basically all the regions that are mentioned there, I have a part of lol.

Geborgenheit
12-17-2017, 02:29 PM
I've got this haplogroup as prediction in calculator from my autosomal data. Just because I am from Eastern Europe ? Looks like a very common haplogroup.
Hm... in any case I will double check this with a mtDNA test. :)

Kurki
01-15-2018, 11:49 PM
H2a2a1 through HaploGrep. Sending to FTDNA for mtDNA check. But maternal line is Norwegian for as far as we can see. Maybe Scottish centuries ago before that, but that could be on a paternal line, if real at all. Maybe I'll know more soon.

Kurki
01-16-2018, 12:00 AM
These are my latest calcs from Lukasz' k30 in case anyone else is interested:

9.12% Caucasian (Chechen, Kabardin, Adygei, Avar, LEzgin, Tabassaran, Abkhazian)
3.88% Paleo-Balkan (ONLY Albanians form Tirana and Kosovo, no South Slavs, no Greeks)
1.84% East-Med (Cyprus, Christian Lebanon, Samaritan, NO Druzes)
12.47% SW-Euro (Basque French and Spanish)
11.02% East-Slavic (Ukraine Chernigov, Belgorod, Belarussian Polesye, Russian Kursk, Orjol, Smolensk)
1.31% Volgan (Chuvash)
24.79% Celtic (English Cornwall, Irish, Scotland)
0.15% Uralic (Mansi, Khanty, Forest Nenet)
8.23% West-Finnic (Vepsian, Karelian, Ingrian)
0.51% Amazonian (Surui, Karitiana)
2.66% Baltic (Latvian)
13.99% Scando-Germanic (Sweden, Norway)
3.41% West-Med (Sardinian)
3.49% Pamirian (Tajik Pomiri and Yagnobi)

basically all the regions that are mentioned there, I have a part of lol.


Where is this test?

I get similar themes to these. I'm thinking it's on my paternal side, but I might find out more. There seems to be a lot of cross-over with Turkic-Volga-Ural and either I am one area or the other, both (central Asia and northern, likely both since Balkan and Baltic noted), or some meeting of these many far back when Turkic/Kazars expanded their kingdom up into Russia (areas that keep also getting cited for me like Mordovia, Erzya, Udmurt, along with possibly Tajik, Turkmen, Hungarian). But.. mostly Swedish. I'd be surprised if East Europe is mostly coming out of my maternal side, just because of where ancestors were situated and world history, but who knows... I could be surprised. Hopefully I learn more from FTDNA?

Kurki
01-16-2018, 11:28 PM
I can't link but found out this is the Cambridge Reference Sequence. Hmm. It does make me wonder how I'm reading my report, but this was noted as most likely. Yes, grr. I'm looking like H2a, and that's coming down off of H2a2a1 noted only as the CRS on my tree. But the reference population is interesting. H2a is more Eastern Europe than just H2, but I don't know about what happens when the becomes H2a2a1. Little differences can put you back on the other side of a continent. But I thought I'd mention the CRS for anyone happening upon this page unaware like I was of that relationship to H2a2a1. But I am H2a. (And H2 as top frequency in Prometheus so now I think I'm reading this correctly)

kitbluee
02-02-2018, 03:10 PM
had a bit of a revelation.

another member who is also h2a2a1 had been helping me with my dna and looking at it in more detail, long story short, we both realise we have romany ancestors and we are very distantly related.

so my question here is, how many people in this thread have romany/possible romany ancestors?
romany via caucasus into europe.

Geborgenheit
02-04-2018, 06:22 PM
Romany ? Not sure if I have any Romany ancestry considering autosomal test results indicating 0% South Asian.

memianec88
03-27-2018, 12:25 AM
I was predicted to have h2a2a1. I haven't been able to trace a Romani ancestor, but suspect that I have at least one. My gedmatch admixture results for puntDNAL k13 global:

West_Asia 10.36
NE_Europe 52.15
Americas 1.24
Siberia 0.54
Oceania -
South_Asia 0.96
NE_Asia -
East_Africa -
SE_Asia 0.81
SW_Europe 30.17
SW_Asia 2.63
West_Africa 0.58
South_Africa 0.57

Geborgenheit
03-29-2018, 02:59 PM
The prediction of me being H2a2a1 was wrong. I am still an H though.

Dost
03-29-2018, 05:15 PM
I got this mtdna too but it was from a presictor

Saetro
04-04-2018, 05:13 AM
had a bit of a revelation.

another member who is also h2a2a1 had been helping me with my dna and looking at it in more detail, long story short, we both realise we have romany ancestors and we are very distantly related.

so my question here is, how many people in this thread have romany/possible romany ancestors?
romany via caucasus into europe.

Evon had some recent (last few weeks) posts about Romani on another thread somewhere.
There was some good stuff.
Probably worth looking for.

VeryRare
10-14-2018, 06:16 PM
My Mt-DNA is h2a2a1; it came from my Frisian lineage.


FTDNA results:

Scandinavia 36%

Southeast Europe 7%

East Europe 6%

West and Central Europe 5%

Southeast Asia 34%

Oceania 12%

North and Central America < 1%

mildlycurly
10-14-2018, 07:35 PM
had a bit of a revelation.

another member who is also h2a2a1 had been helping me with my dna and looking at it in more detail, long story short, we both realise we have romany ancestors and we are very distantly related.

so my question here is, how many people in this thread have romany/possible romany ancestors?
romany via caucasus into europe.

I have Romani ancestry but my haplogroup is H1a3a1, which is of course western European.

Romani/non-Romani couplings (like the one that produced my great-great grandmother) tend to be male Romani/female non-Romani. As such, there's a good chance that your maternal ancestor was of non-Romani Eastern European stock who married into the Romani.

poi
12-15-2018, 04:17 AM
According to James Lick's MtDNA tool, my wife is H2a2. 23andme just shows H2. We have the same ethnic background.



Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) H2a2((A16235G))

Defining Markers for haplogroup H2a2((A16235G)):
HVR2: 263G
CR: 8860G 15326G
HVR1: (16235G)

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H2a2((A16235G)) (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ (16235G) ⇨ H2a2((A16235G)) ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 4317I 5537D 5752D 8281D 8286D 16271C


Matches(2): 263G 8860G
Mismatches(0): (16235A)
Extras(13): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 4317I 5537D 5752D 8281D 8286D 16271C
Untested(1): 15326

SecretExplorer
05-14-2019, 04:04 PM
I'm a Hungarian with this mtDNA. Is it common in the Hungarian people or is it common in the North-Slavic, East German?

tatals
11-12-2019, 01:48 AM
Just tried predicting on James Lick, and it got me here. Which is funny, because I can't relate to any of the aforementioned ancestries. My direct maternal line is Iberian. My oldest known ancestor (18th century) was born in Viseu, Portugal.

Diego.Ṃchen
08-25-2020, 02:28 PM
Hi!

I'm also H2a2a1g...i don't know what this last "G" mean, or if someone else have never seen it.
I come from the Alps, from historic Tyrol county (Italian side province called Trentino).

I rebuilt a large part of my ancestor tree, and all of 600 person i found were born here around in Tyrol (max 100km far away my city, Trento)
There's only a part of them, that i'm sure they came from Southern Germany, or Austria or Bohemia in middle age (lot of surnames, in my tree come from "Mocheni" and "Cimbrian" population). That's why i'm R1b-U106 from paternal side.