L2 (L-L595)

[GarethH]

I'm starting a new thread as there doesn't seem to be one dedicated to L2 (L-L595). This branch is still a big mystery, it is very rare but has been found all over Europe from Ireland to Turkey.
YFull estimates that it split from L1 (L-M22) over 20k years ago. This is based on results from a single anonymous academic sample from Sardinia.
We don't yet have any Big Y results for L2. I'm in contact with a L Project member who is probably L2 and is willing to be sponsored for further testing. I can fund a SNP Panel test from project funds but I would really like to aim for Big Y. For this we need around $300 more than is already in the fund.
If you are interested in co-sponsoring a Big Y test for L2 please message me privately (or send an e-mail), please don't donate until I can confirm that we have enough commitments to fund the test. Discount codes also welcome!

Gareth

[GarethH]

If you are interested in co-sponsoring a Big Y test for L2 please message me privately (or send an e-mail), please don't donate until I can confirm that we have enough commitments to fund the test. Discount codes also welcome!


I've had commitments for $150 and used a discount coupon for $50 so we now just need another $100. Anyone else able to help?

[Nasser]

I will donate what's the first step ?

[GarethH]

I will donate what's the first step ?

I sent you a private message.

[GarethH]

I will donate what's the first step ?

I sent you a private message.

[GarethH]

I've had commitments for $150 and used a discount coupon for $50 so we now just need another $100. Anyone else able to help?

The order has been placed and fully funded before the end of the sale but the project fund is now empty! Contributions welcome for funding further testing in 2018. Happy New Year!

[Wtefko]

Hi all. I am new here. Have L-L595. I am from Ukraine.

[Tauris]

Hi all. I am new here. Have L-L595. I am from Ukraine.

What region of Ukraine are your ancestors from?

[Ebizur]

A Chinese company, 23mofang, has reported finding L-L595 in a Tibetan individual and in a Hui (i.e. Muslim) individual.

1/485 = 0.21% L-L595 Tibetan
1/2553 = 0.04% L-L595 Hui

23mofang currently estimates the TMRCA of the L-L595 clade to be 4500 ybp, so it appears likely that the Tibetan individual and the Hui individual should share a MRCA in roughly the 3rd millennium BC. I would guess that the Tibetan individual's ancestor and the Hui individual's ancestor probably have migrated to East Asia separately from the West, but there is little data of any sort available regarding L-L595.

[East-Asia]

A Chinese company, 23mofang, has reported finding L-L595 in a Tibetan individual and in a Hui (i.e. Muslim) individual.

1/485 = 0.21% L-L595 Tibetan
1/2553 = 0.04% L-L595 Hui

23mofang currently estimates the TMRCA of the L-L595 clade to be 4500 ybp, so it appears likely that the Tibetan individual and the Hui individual should share a MRCA in roughly the 3rd millennium BC. I would guess that the Tibetan individual's ancestor and the Hui individual's ancestor probably have migrated to East Asia separately from the West, but there is little data of any sort available regarding L-L595.

But this L-L595 individual did not migrate to Papuans.

"In contrast to the West Papuan populations, haplotypes associated with Austronesian/Asiatic ancestry comprised more than 60% (n = 141) of the 236 unique Wallacean mitogenomes—including macro-haplogroups B (n = 45, 19.5%), E (n = 33, 14.3%), M7(n = 22, 9.5%), R9 (n = 10, 4.3%), F (n = 7, 3%), D (n = 6, 2.6%), and M74 (n = 6, 2.6%), withseveral minor haplogroups (e.g., M20, M21, M47, M72, N21, N10, and Y) at less than 1%(Table S3, Supplementary Materials).

Of the remaining 90 samples, 87 have previously been observed in individuals of Australo-Papuan ancestry in PNG or Australia, i.e., haplogroupsQ (23.8%. n = 55), P (10.8%, n = 25), M73 (2.2%, n = 5), and R14 (1.7%, n = 4). The remaining three samples have a previously unreported haplotype M23'75, which shares a single mutation (A12279G) with haplogroups M23 and M75 that are found in East Asia [52] and Madagascar [53], respectively. Notably, the proportion of Australo-Papuan haplogroups observed in each population varied widely, being entirely absent from the Vayu populationfrom central Sulawesi and comprising between 17% and 83% of total haplotypes in there maining seven populations (Table S3, Supplementary Materials)."

mtDNA M23 has a mutation of G2706A in common with basal mtDNA H. mtDNA M75 (which influenced most ancient y-DNA N individuals of Shamanke_EN) had mutation A2706G. That is why y-DNA N who originated from the population containing this mtDNA M23'75 population autosomal DNA produced "Neolithic Iran" affinity in their samples, including the affinity to mtDNA H-rich ancient populations, in Chinese articles. Unlike this, the Yangshao culture (Proto-Sino-Tibetan) does not exibit this affinity to mtDNA H populations. The "Southern East Asian component" exibited a different sort of ancient affinity to mtDNA R0 populations.

The L-L595 individual has nothing to do with the pattern of connection between y-DNA N populations.