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Tomoboy092
01-09-2018, 09:17 PM
I have recently received this sub grouping of haplogroup I1 (I-S2169) from living dna my furthest back male line ancestor was George Baldwin a sailor born in the 1750s and settled in South Wales but prior to this I have no further information on the origin of my paternal line does anyone else have this haplogroup? Or know where or in what population group this subgroup could have originally come from?

deadly77
01-10-2018, 02:27 PM
S2169 is also known as F2642 - it's one of the two larger clades under the Z140 subgroup. I'm Z140+ but not S2169+ - I'm in the Z2535 cluster (the other large group under Z140). This Eupedia page is a good place to start on the I1 haplogroup as it has phylogenetic trees so you can see how the subclades beneath I1 are organized - https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

Here's the YFull tree for S2169 https://yfull.com/tree/I-S2169/ - from this you can get an idea of the further refined organization of the downstream SNPs below S2169/F2642 from people who have taken Big Y or whole genome sequencing tests, as well as an approximation of origin from the testers self-reported their oldest known Y-line ancestor.

If you're on Facebook, we have a Z140 facebook group for discussing results here https://www.facebook.com/groups/I1.Z140.YDNA.Project/

Welcome to I-Z140.

spruithean
01-14-2018, 03:32 AM
I have recently received this sub grouping of haplogroup I1 (I-S2169) from living dna my furthest back male line ancestor was George Baldwin a sailor born in the 1750s and settled in South Wales but prior to this I have no further information on the origin of my paternal line does anyone else have this haplogroup? Or know where or in what population group this subgroup could have originally come from?

I-S2169 (I-F2642) is one of those haplogroups that has a fairly wide distribution and it could have had a couple of routes to the British Isles, perhaps through the Germanic laeti/foederati during the Roman era, the later Anglo-Saxons or the Vikings and Normans or other arrivals to the British Isles. There are a number of various sub-groups branching off from I-S2169 ranging from Ireland to Britain and various parts of Europe, I feel that it is hard to say what the origins for the entire group may be.