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TigerMW
09-10-2013, 02:06 PM
Paragroups are fun to look at as they are akin to cousins to major subclades and indicate potential areas of higher diversity.

There is a deep division of U106 between Z18 and Z381. Below are the earliest branching paragroup guys I can find in Z18, the Z18* guys.

f68399 Young R1b-U106>Z18** Z18+ Z19+ Z16+ Z14- L325- L653- L5- L6- P107- L217- Scotland
f80890 Silvers R1b-U106>Z18* ]Z18+ Z14- zzzUnkOrigin

fN69282 Dekeyser R1b-U106>Z18* Z18+ Z14- P107- L217- Belgium, Flemish Region, Flemish Community, Flemish Brabant, Leuven
f65496 Vignault R1b-U106>Z18* Z18+ Z19+ Z14- L325- L6- P107- L217- France, Limousin, Haute-Vienne, Limoges

For all practical purposes, L325+ should be included as Z18+ Z14-:

fE7307 Werthmueller R1b-U106>Z18>L325+ L325+ Z19+ P107- s18-325- uas Switzerland, Bern

Scotland seems to have a knack for showing up, but I think the most unusual catch here is Vignault in Haute-Vienne. That's a ways away from the conventional wisdom home of Germanic peoples. There are not a lot of U106 people there as far as we know.

EDIT: Added Silvers per Jdean.

jdean
09-10-2013, 04:29 PM
Mike

You can add 80890, Silvers, to the Z18+, Z14- list as well. He tested positive for Z18 in WTY.

TigerMW
09-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Mike

You can add 80890, Silvers, to the Z18+, Z14- list as well. He tested positive for Z18 in WTY.

Do we know his status on L325 and L653? Doe he get the "double" asterisk?

Who's the L653+ guy? I can't find him.

jdean
09-10-2013, 05:20 PM
Do we know his status on L325 and L653? Doe he get the "double" asterisk?

Who's the L653+ guy? I can't find him.

Silvers was the one that L653 was found in, his L325 result was ancestral.

L653 and L325 were included in Geno2 so I'm guessing they're pretty much private.

TigerMW
09-13-2013, 12:58 AM
Were any of the Z18 Geno2 people Z18*. I looked at Raymond W's Geno2 comparison spreadsheet but don't see any Z18* people in it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av9lu-SZDcLodFR1Ump6a0lCTmlqUTNjd3Jwd2VIbUE#gid=0

Am I looking at the right tab?

jdean
09-13-2013, 02:49 PM
Peter publishes the Z18+ Geno2 results here

http://l257.groenebeverbv.nl/index.php/test-results/geno2-z18

TigerMW
09-13-2013, 03:45 PM
Peter publishes the Z18+ Geno2 results here

http://l257.groenebeverbv.nl/index.php/test-results/geno2-z18

Yes, it looks like the Z18+ folks are all Z14+ too so no Z18*.

I like that Peter shows each haplotype as a row and SNP results as columns. We do need to get a standard format for these comparisons across haplogroups.

Christophe
11-30-2013, 10:08 PM
Hello,

I'm new on the forum (Z18+ Z14+) from south of France.

Cheers,

Christophe