Z156* (U106>Z381>Z156) Z156+ Z305-

[TigerMW]

Z156 sits under Z381 as a peer to Z301 (who is the father of L48 and U198).

Z305 is a decent sized subclade and contains L1, but here is the rest of Z156, the Z305- guys:

f137970 Edwards R1b-U106>Z381>Z156* Z156+ Z305- L6- P107- Z307- s381156- uas England
f57352 Stubbs R1b-U106>Z381>Z156** Z156+ Z305- L782- L5- L6- P107- Z307- s381156- uas England, South West, Gloucestershrire, Elmestone
f147853 Bow R1b-U106>Z381>Z156** Z156+ Z305- L782- L5- L6- P107- L217- s381156- uas Scotland
f33309 McMillan R1b-U106>Z381>Z156* Z156+ Z305- L6- P107- Z307- L217- s381156-43811 Scotland
f65132 McMillen R1b-U106>Z381>Z156** Z156+ L132+ Z305- L782- L5- L6- P107- Z307- L217- s381156-43811 Ireland
f134946 Fitzgibbon R1b-U106>Z381>Z156* Z156+ Z305- P107- s381156- uas Ireland, Munster, Co. Limerick
f134007 Pelan R1b-U106>Z381>Z156* Z156+ Z305- L5- L6- P107- Z307- L217- s381156- uas Ireland, Ulster, Co. Antrim, Belfast

fN10078 Goll R1b-U106>Z381>Z156* Z156+ Z305- L5- L6- P107- L132- Z307- L217- s381156- uas Germany, Baden-Württemberg
fE2091 Winter R1b-U106>Z381>Z156* Z156+ Z305- P107- L217- s381156- uas Germany, Bavaria, Dinkelsbühl
f215023 Eschenfelder R1b-U106>Z381>Z156** Z156+ Z305- L782- L6- P107- Z307- L217- s381156a-1311 Germany, Rhineland-Palatinate, Donnersbergkreis, Kriegsfeld
f111203 Wilson R1b-U106>Z381>Z156** Z156+ L132+ Z305- L782- L5- L6- P107- Z307- L217- s381156a-1311 Germany

[lgmayka]

Would you say that those Z156+ with 24 at YCAIIb are generally Z305- ? That's what I notice in the U106 project results. Thus, kits 198287 and 264842 in my project (who are Z156+) are probably Z305- .

[TigerMW]

Would you say that those Z156+ with 24 at YCAIIb are generally Z305- ? That's what I notice in the U106 project results. Thus, kits 198287 and 264842 in my project (who are Z156+) are probably Z305- .

I think YCAII could be used to help guide SNP testing in some of these cases. The combination of YCAII=19,24 438=11 and Z156+ seems to lead to Z305-.

However, there is at least one Z305* guy that is YCAII=19,24

f94400 Matthews R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>Z305* Z305+ L1- P89.2- L5- L6- P107- L217-

The only way to really know is to do the SNP testing. Z305 has not been heavily tested in Z156+ L1- guys.

[Tomzone]

I am one of your Z156+ Z305- guys. Also I am L23+. Does being L23+ have any place or time indications ?

[palamede]

I am one of your Z156+ Z305- guys. Also I am L23+. Does being L23+ have any place or time indications ?

L23 is well known as ancestor to U106 and P312.

M269>L23>L51>L11>U106>Z381>Z156

[Bowe(s) ONS]

Mike one of my Bow(e) subgroups is your Bow above. Were you able to place him here based on his STR values? I see some SNPs not appearing in his SNP results at FTDNA, e.g. s381156-. Just curious. Also, what if any would be the best advanced SNP test to recommend to these Bow(e)?