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bmoney
01-25-2018, 05:13 AM
Hi Guys,

Post your tallies and the biggest surprise.

My biggest surprise is that there is only one haplogroup L in my top 20


Y-dna
Row Labels Count of Broad y-dna Grouping
R1a 10 50%
J 3 15%
H 2 10%
Q 1 5%
R2 1 5%
E 1 5%
C 1 5%
L1a 1 5%
Grand Total 20

Mtdna
Row Labels Count of Broad mtdna Grouping
M 10 50%
R 3 15%
U 3 15%
H 1 5%
B 1 5%
HV 1 5%
K 1 5%
Grand Total 20

poi
01-25-2018, 05:26 AM
Hi Guys,

Post your tallies and the biggest surprise.

My biggest surprise is that there is only one haplogroup L in my top 20

20992



YDNA
R1a 15 75%
J2 3 15%
R2 2 10%

MTDNA
M 11 39%
U 6 21%
T 2 7%
F 2 7%
Z 2 7%
R 2 7%
H 2 7%
W 1 4%


Here is the excel with the top "strength of relationship" ydna and their corresponding mtdna haplogroups. I have 28 MTDNA because 8 top relationships were females without ydna, obviously.

20993

My biggest surprise is that there are only 2 YDNA haplogroups R and J, but 8 MTDNA ones. Rather than 1 man taking 8 wives, it was just 4!

poi
01-25-2018, 05:31 AM
@bmoney bro, I only have 1 mtdna M30 in my top 28 MTDNA. What about you?

You are definitely R1a shifted lol

bmoney
01-25-2018, 05:35 AM
@bmoney bro, I only have 1 mtdna M30 in my top 28 MTDNA. What about you?

You are definitely R1a shifted lol

yeah it brings down my whole Dravidian middle-caste was founded by Iran_N/IVC theory - esp when I saw Tamil Kallar R1a frequency of 44% vs 11% L

None - I have 3 x M35s and 1 x M33 in my top 20 male relatives and no M30s - do you know anything about it?

poi
01-25-2018, 05:44 AM
yeah it brings down my whole Dravidian middle-caste was founded by Iran_N/IVC theory - esp when I saw Tamil Kallar R1a frequency of 44% vs 11% L

None - I have 3 x M35s and 1 x M33 in my top 20 male relatives and no M30s - do you know anything about it?

Apparently M30, according to Wikipedia, is in following countries (but originated in India/SouthAsia)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M30_(mtDNA)

To sum up, M30 haplogroup individuals have been found in

Yemen
Egypt
Tunisia
Palestine
Saudi Arabia
Iran
India
Nepal
China

Dibran
01-25-2018, 06:14 AM
Y-DNA Frequency Top 20:

Count
E-V13: 30%

J2: 20%

R1b: 20%

R1a: 15%

I1: 10%

J1: 5%


mtDNA Frequency Top 20:

Count

H: 70%

T: 15%

U: 10%

J: 5%

poi
01-25-2018, 06:26 AM
YDNA
R1a 15 75%
J2 3 15%
R2 2 10%

MTDNA
M 11 39%
U 6 21%
T 2 7%
F 2 7%
Z 2 7%
R 2 7%
H 2 7%
W 1 4%


Here is the excel with the top "strength of relationship" ydna and their corresponding mtdna haplogroups. I have 28 MTDNA because 8 top relationships were females without ydna, obviously.

20993

My biggest surprise is that there are only 2 YDNA haplogroups R and J, but 8 MTDNA ones. Rather than 1 man taking 8 wives, it was just 4!

I just noticed something in my data. Of all 15 R1a, only 3 have WesternEurasian MTDNA, but all 3 J2 haplogroups have all WesternEurasian MTDNA. Note that all these top 28 "Strength of Relationship" matches are all my own ethnic group(I filtered out Anonymous btw).

bmoney
01-25-2018, 06:34 AM
I just noticed something in my data. Of all 15 R1a, only 3 have WesternEurasian MTDNA, but all 3 J2 haplogroups have all WesternEurasian MTDNA. Note that all these top 28 "Strength of Relationship" matches are all my own ethnic group(I filtered out Anonymous btw).

I checked to see if I had that pattern - nope my Js (3) were 1 European HV 1 Indian M 1 SE Asian B

Likely just due to sample size

poi
01-25-2018, 06:42 AM
I checked to see if I had that pattern - nope my Js (3) were 1 European HV 1 Indian M 1 SE Asian B

Likely just due to sample size

Yeah, also the relationship between YDNA and MTDNA depend on the marriage practices. If there is massive inbreeding from the start, they tend to be same, but not if YDNA-MTDNA shuffle around. For example, my father R1a could have MTDNA of U2(guessing), but married my mother (M30), so I am R1a but M30, quite different from my father R1a and U2.

pnb123
01-25-2018, 07:10 AM
Yeah, also the relationship between YDNA and MTDNA depend on the marriage practices. If there is massive inbreeding from the start, they tend to be same, but not if YDNA-MTDNA shuffle around. For example, my father R1a could have MTDNA of U2(guessing), but married my mother (M30), so I am R1a but M30, quite different from my father R1a and U2.

MtDNA also mutates very frequently due to oxidative stress, as it’s present in mitochondria (powerhouse of cell). So you get varieties of mtDNA but a stable Y DNA for population even for populations with strict endogamy.

poi
01-25-2018, 07:17 AM
MtDNA also mutates very frequently due to oxidative stress, as it’s present in mitochondria (powerhouse of cell). So you get varieties of mtDNA but a stable Y DNA for population even for populations with strict endogamy.

Woah, actual science. Dude we're just talking numbers here. Lol

bmoney
01-25-2018, 07:17 AM
MtDNA also mutates very frequently due to oxidative stress, as it’s present in mitochondria (powerhouse of cell). So you get varieties of mtDNA but a stable Y DNA for population even for populations with strict endogamy.

This wouldn't affect common-origin signatures though surely

Not like an M can mutate into a U within a generation

pnb123
01-25-2018, 07:47 AM
This wouldn't affect common-origin signatures though surely

Not like an M can mutate into a U within a generation

But over time, mtDNA is more likely to mutate than Y DNA. I’ve personally witnessed this with my DNA relative. Mother is getting different subtype of mtDNA than daughter, but both have haplogroup M.

bmoney
01-25-2018, 08:11 AM
But over time, mtDNA is more likely to mutate than Y DNA. I’ve personally witnessed this with my DNA relative. Mother is getting different subtype of mtDNA than daughter, but both have haplogroup M.

Interesting - i didn't think drift would work like this

Did you get a second opinion for the mtdna test

Ill wait for more knowledgable members to comment

pnb123
01-25-2018, 08:36 AM
Interesting - i didn't think drift would work like this

Did you get a second opinion for the mtdna test

Ill wait for more knowledgable members to comment

That isn’t me, but my DNA relatives on 23andme. Mom is getting M4b1, daughter is getting M4-64. It could be caused by other factors too. But in general, mitochondrial DNA are more prone to damage than Y DNA because of oxidative stress.