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Il Papā
09-14-2013, 05:57 PM
I did the geno 2.0 test,I know I'm U152 bu I don't seems I belong to any U152 subclade.

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/8779/w5pm.png

Alessio B. Bedini
09-14-2013, 07:05 PM
Probably a subclade that has not yet been discovered.
You will need to have more patience ..

Solothurn
06-04-2014, 09:13 AM
Hi Il Papā

Geno 2.0 fails to show Z193+ and Z56+ so you could be either of these and not know it :(





I did the geno 2.0 test,I know I'm U152 bu I don't seems I belong to any U152 subclade.

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/8779/w5pm.png

R.Rocca
06-04-2014, 11:39 AM
I did the geno 2.0 test,I know I'm U152 bu I don't seems I belong to any U152 subclade.

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/8779/w5pm.png

Most likely PF6658/Z193, but it is impossible to know for sure. If you also have a 67 marker STR test, DYS492=12 would rule out Z56.

Solothurn
06-04-2014, 05:14 PM
Thanks Rich. Could he order DYS492 if he doesn't have the 67?



Most likely PF6658/Z193, but it is impossible to know for sure. If you also have a 67 marker STR test, DYS492=12 would rule out Z56.

R.Rocca
06-04-2014, 08:04 PM
Thanks Rich. Could he order DYS492 if he doesn't have the 67?

Correct, DYS492 can be placed as a single order from FTDNA.

Il Papā
08-22-2014, 10:17 PM
I am thinking about doing the Big Y from ftdna ,since it's a lot of money,is it a good idear ? and how long is the waiting time once you ordered ?

R.Rocca
08-23-2014, 12:15 PM
I am thinking about doing the Big Y from ftdna ,since it's a lot of money,is it a good idear ? and how long is the waiting time once you ordered ?

Yes, ordering is a good idea, especially if you are U152*. There are SNPs like PF6658 and Z193 that are not possible to test using today's PCR testing, so only Big-Y of Full Genomes two products can test for them economically.

Il Papā
08-23-2014, 03:23 PM
Yes, ordering is a good idea, especially if you are U152*. There are SNPs like PF6658 and Z193 that are not possible to test using today's PCR testing, so only Big-Y of Full Genomes two products can test for them economically.

I finally fell for it,Big Y ordered :) .

PS:when I ordered it was written 595$ first then 595€ and when I received the e-mail it was 595$ ,so what is it really ?

R.Rocca
08-23-2014, 03:43 PM
I finally fell for it,Big Y ordered :) .

PS:when I ordered it was written 595$ first then 595€ and when I received the e-mail it was 595$ ,so what is it really ?

I'm not really sure as I have never purchased any FTDNA products outside of the USA.

By the way, it looks like some kits are getting their results back within 2 or 3 months now. The first large batches of Big-Y customers that ordered last November took much longer - about 6 months.

CelticGerman
08-23-2014, 04:14 PM
I finally fell for it,Big Y ordered :) .

PS:when I ordered it was written 595$ first then 595€ and when I received the e-mail it was 595$ ,so what is it really ?

It should be in $ if you order directly from FTDNA. If you use iGENEA from Switzerland, working together with FTDNA, it would be different and more expensive.

Solothurn
08-23-2014, 05:34 PM
Hi and good luck with your BigY

If you ordered with FTDNA, these are today's rates but they may not be exact!

595.00 USD = 449.294 EUR
US Dollar ↔ Euro
1 USD = 0.755116 EUR 1 EUR = 1.32430 USD


I finally fell for it,Big Y ordered :) .

PS:when I ordered it was written 595$ first then 595€ and when I received the e-mail it was 595$ ,so what is it really ?

Il Papā
01-22-2017, 09:32 PM
My Yfull results were just completed ! But there is one thing I don't understand, I was supposed to share 5 snps with a sardinian from the Francalacci study :


Il Papā, congratulations on your results.

You are indeed Z56+ and share the following five SNPs with a Z56+ individual from the Francalacci study from Sardinia:

7959751(G/C), 9390856(T/G), 9423221(T/C), 17948609(T/C), 19279266(C/G)

And I thought this guy was the only known one I matched, but in fact I only match a spanish guy from the 1K project (HG02231).

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/914258yoo.jpg

So where did the sardinian guy went ? I tought it was ERS257070 but if it was the case he should have formed a clade with the spanish guy prior to my arrival. So my Sardinian cousin wasn't included in the Yfull tree ?

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/425233yforthefdvzvr.jpg

lgmayka
01-22-2017, 10:05 PM
So where did the sardinian guy went ? I tought it was ERS257070 but if it was the case he should have formed a clade with the spanish guy prior to my arrival. So my Sardinian cousin wasn't included in the Yfull tree ?
Although YFull has completed your personal SNP analysis, any haplotree rearrangements will not appear until the next version of the tree. Or put another way: Your own SNP analysis was not ready when the current haplotree (5.01) was published.

Theoretically, you are correct that if both the Sardinian ERS257070 and the Iberian HG02231 share some SNPs beyond Z56--and if both of them were fully analyzed when 5.01 was published--then they should have been grouped into a subclade.

ArmandoR1b
01-22-2017, 10:13 PM
My Yfull results were just completed ! But there is one thing I don't understand, I was supposed to share 5 snps with a sardinian from the Francalacci study :

And I thought this guy was the only known one I matched, but in fact I only match a spanish guy from the 1K project (HG02231).

So where did the sardinian guy went ? I tought it was ERS257070 but if it was the case he should have formed a clade with the spanish guy prior to my arrival. So my Sardinian cousin wasn't included in the Yfull tree ?


R.Rocca didn't steer you wrong. ERS257070 is from Sardinia according to YFull. See https://www.yfull.com/sardinians/ Rocca knows what he is talking about so there was no reason to doubt him.

The BigTree has a lot more P312 samples than YFull but the BigTree does not have the Sardinian samples so the next closest match in the BigTree is the 1000 Genomes Spaniard. There is also a person from Poland with you at YFull. It must be the person that is in the BY3544 group in the BigTree. Once YFull realizes that you share more SNPs with the Sardinian than with the Spaniard and the Polish person then you will be in a new subclade at YFull. You could ask Alex Williamson to try to get a hold of the Sardinian results so that he can include them in his tree and that way you can see a comparison of the analysis by Alex and the analysis by YFull.

Il Papā
02-12-2017, 10:20 PM
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/813012feuifcvbui.jpg

So the Yfull tree 5.02 is now online but there is something that's just not right. So it confirms my doubts that either ERS257070, HG02231 or even both are "not very goodly sampled". Because the 3 of us share the same snps: BY3958, BY3959, BY3538. But I only share BY3545 and another one with the Sardinian guy alone and I also share 6 more snps with the Spanish guy alone.

So It's very likely that I also share BY3545 and the others snps( don't recall the name ) with the spanish guy. So that would mean that our TMRCA is closer than Yfull is saying at least based on Yfull TMRCA calculation right ? Something like approx 290 years closer ?

Btw there something I don't understand about Snps calculation, on the number of snps, why 16,08 ?

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/967083fkepofo.jpg

Megalophias
02-12-2017, 10:29 PM
Yes, both the 1000 Genomes samples (HG) and the Francalacci ones (ERS) are lower coverage than BigY.

Il Papā
02-13-2017, 02:36 AM
I just checked the Ftdna U152 project and I got a german guy who match me on BY3538,BY3545,BY3959; the first ftdna guy to match me under Z56. :beerchug: I'm not sure if he's Big Y tested or he just did the Z43 snp panel.

Il Papā
02-20-2017, 03:03 AM
Although YFull has completed your personal SNP analysis, any haplotree rearrangements will not appear until the next version of the tree. Or put another way: Your own SNP analysis was not ready when the current haplotree (5.01) was published.

Theoretically, you are correct that if both the Sardinian ERS257070 and the Iberian HG02231 share some SNPs beyond Z56--and if both of them were fully analyzed when 5.01 was published--then they should have been grouped into a subclade.

So lgmayka, do you know why the sardinian guy doesn't appear with me and the spanish guy ?

lgmayka
02-20-2017, 10:44 AM
So lgmayka, do you know why the sardinian guy doesn't appear with me and the spanish guy ?
I can only make wild guesses as to whether YFull reads the Sardinian the same way Mr. Rocca does. Unfortunately, the Sardinian sample is not a member of the R-U152 group/project on YFull's site, so I cannot query it directly. (HG02231 is indeed a member of the group.)

You might try using the Feedback form on YFull's site. On most web sites, Feedback is just a hint to the web designer; but on YFull's site, Feedback records your name and email, and offers a choice of Error, Proposal, or Review. I've never tried this myself, though.