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MonkeyDLuffy
02-01-2018, 01:36 PM
I though it'd be good to compile a list of Syed results from South Asia since it is very interesting identity lots of South asian muslims associate with. If I can find their Ydna, I'll post that as well. I'll add kit numbers so everyone can run their results on different calculators.


Syed (A189876)

S-Indian 30.12
Baloch 36.75
Caucasian 12.09
NE-Euro 10.89
SE-Asian -
Siberian 2.07
NE-Asian 2.53
Papuan -
American 0.17
Beringian 1.45
Mediterranean 0.85
SW-Asian 3.08
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

___________________________________

Syed (M235366) Ydna - J2, Mtdna - M3

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 36.72
2 Baloch 33.93
3 Caucasian 10.37
4 NE-Euro 7.23
5 NE-Asian 2.89
6 Mediterranean 2.37
7 Siberian 2.19
8 SW-Asian 2.11
9 Papuan 0.76
10 American 0.75
11 SE-Asian 0.61
12 Beringian 0.07

______________________________

Syed (A251927)

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 39.73
2 Baloch 35.39
3 Caucasian 8.23
4 NE-Euro 6.36
5 Siberian 2.4
6 SW-Asian 2.35
7 NE-Asian 1.89
8 Mediterranean 1.43
9 Beringian 0.9
10 SE-Asian 0.45
11 American 0.42
12 Papuan 0.24
13 E-African 0.2

____________________________________

Syed (M454389)

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 37.23
2 Baloch 32.72
3 Caucasian 12.47
4 NE-Euro 8.74
5 American 1.75
6 NE-Asian 1.69
7 Siberian 1.6
8 Beringian 1.09
9 Mediterranean 0.87
10 Papuan 0.7
11 SE-Asian 0.59
12 SW-Asian 0.37
13 E-African 0.1
14 W-African 0.07

_________________________________

Reza
02-01-2018, 02:29 PM
Do you know the ethnic backgrounds for each?

MonkeyDLuffy
02-01-2018, 02:32 PM
Do you know the ethnic backgrounds for each?

I don't, I get many syed matches on gedmatch, I haven't contacted anyone yet.

Varun R
02-01-2018, 04:04 PM
I only have 1 Syed match on genesis, and his results look distinctly southern.

Kit: QK9100029

Harappa:
S-Indian
47.88
Baloch
29.59
Caucasian
7.77
NE-Euro
5.45
SE-Asian
2.28
Siberian
1.16
NE-Asian
1.12
Papuan
1.24
American
0.65
Beringian
-
Mediterranean
1.94
SW-Asian
0.90

Gedrosia K3
E_Eurasian
40.74
SSA
2.58
W_Eurasian
56.68

MonkeyDLuffy
02-01-2018, 04:40 PM
I only have 1 Syed match on genesis, and his results look distinctly southern.

Kit: QK9100029

Harappa:
S-Indian
47.88
Baloch
29.59
Caucasian
7.77
NE-Euro
5.45
SE-Asian
2.28
Siberian
1.16
NE-Asian
1.12
Papuan
1.24
American
0.65
Beringian
-
Mediterranean
1.94
SW-Asian
0.90

Gedrosia K3
E_Eurasian
40.74
SSA
2.58
W_Eurasian
56.68

Seems like one of those mohajir Syeds.

Reza
02-01-2018, 04:42 PM
Varun, that chap is a match with my wife too.

His results look distinctly Bihari to me. Similar to Bengali results but elevated Caucasian (which for me is the biggest differentiator West to East on the harappa World calculator) and lower but non negligible East Asian.

There's a Bengali Syed kit that I'll dig out. Not differentiated in any way from other Bangladeshis, with H haplogroup.

MonkeyDLuffy
02-01-2018, 04:45 PM
Varun, that chap is a match with my wife too.

His results look distinctly Bihari to me. Similar to Bengali results but elevated Caucasian (which for me is the biggest differentiator West to East on the harappa World calculator) and lower but non negligible East Asian.

There's a Bengali Syed kit that I'll dig out. Not differentiated in any way from other Bangladeshis, with H haplogroup.

It kind of make you think what could have been the situation that they took the identity while knowing it is not true.

passion
02-01-2018, 04:48 PM
good thread

I want to see results of some Muhajir Syeds specially shia Muhajirs because I have observed some interesting phenotype diversity among them.

MonkeyDLuffy
02-01-2018, 04:55 PM
good thread

I want to see results of some Muhajir Syeds specially shia Muhajirs because I have observed some interesting phenotype diversity among them.

I believe Shias have legit west asian, especially Iranian ancestry.

BMG
02-01-2018, 05:25 PM
I believe Shias have legit west asian, especially Iranian ancestry.
Some Shia's in Hyderabad have recent Iranian ancestry (like one grandparent being fully Iranian ) . As a whole most west asian shifted Muslim community would be dawoodi bohras (well, at least in South India as I do not know much about north Indian Muslims )

Reza
02-01-2018, 05:42 PM
It kind of make you think what could have been the situation that they took the identity while knowing it is not true.

I've wondered about that too. I don't know much about the adoption of Islam in medieval times, but I envisage the title of sayyid may well have been interpreted differently in some south asian communities compared to today's widely accepted hereditary only claim.

For example, it may have been ascribed to scholars / pirs / awliya etc as a title, in deference - literally meaning master in Arabic. Any descendants of said scholars, or the associated sajjada nashin or successors, may well have continued the title - and formed the echelon of any muslim community, before it became more stratified in the past few hundred years.

I say that because when Islam was introduced to Bengal in the 1200 and 1300s, Shah Jalal as an example, travelled allegedly from Turkestan in southern Kazakhstan, and picked up a band of 360 disciples from various regions before conquering and ‘settling’ in Sylhet. I don’t have an English version of the list of names (only Bengali), but many have the title sayyid, some with often very native subcontinental sounding names otherwise. Were they all truly sayyids? Unlikely – probably mureeds, converts, warriors, descendants of converts from the Delhi sultanate and beyond.

But their descendants and their associates certainly carry on that title sayyid. And many families claim ancestry from those very ‘awliya’ with their shrines still by their family homestead.

For many Bengali sayyids who carry native y-dna haplogroups, as well as autosomal make up – the above makes more sense, rather than any rare alawi lineage. And it also provides an alternative to a Brahmin converting to Islam and knowingly taking the title sayyid assuming descent from the Prophet.

The same concept applies to titles like khan etc which were often bestowed by rulers at the time, and people in this day and age assume it must be related to pathans etc, though historically there probably that also probably existed.

Shia syeds are a different case – especially in Sunni majority areas – to adopt a minority belief by Hindus makes less sense, and so as a whole, much more likely to have West Asian ancestry. But I would put Iranian ancestry for them from shia scholars and traders rather than actual true sayyid ancestry. It’s the same argument as above. There is a user here who is from West Bengal originally, shia background, and clearly has Iranian ancestry in his autosomal breakdown. Not sayyid though as far as a I know.

Anyways this is a Bengali Syed harappaworld breakdown:



1 S-Indian 48.38
2 Baloch 26.78
3 SE-Asian 8.03
4 NE-Asian 5.17
5 NE-Euro 4.89
6 Caucasian 4.62
7 Papuan 1.16
8 Siberian 0.61
9 American 0.36

Raza94
02-01-2018, 06:48 PM
Here are my results if it helps at all:

South Indian-36.9
Baloch-36.8
Caucasian-7.93
NE-Euro-7.34
SE Asian-0.46
Siberian-2.22
American-0.62
Beringian-0.27
Mediterranean-3.56
SW-Asian-3.85

Punjabi Syed from Pakistan

misanthropy
02-02-2018, 08:27 AM
I believe Shias have legit west asian, especially Iranian ancestry.

My mom’s side are Sunni Sufi Syeds from Hyderabad and they have a levantine/East Med look to them (after researching phenotypes), some look Afghan, and some more Indian. My own brother got the maternal influence and he has a Syrian look alike I found online along with my cousin, another Syrian lookalike, both freakishly close matches. I wonder why the levant in particular. You would think that would be a long time ago and washed out.

There’s something special about Hyderabad. It was the Muslim capital of India, after all. It used to be Delhi until it moved south to the Deccan region during the reign of Muhammad Bin Tughluq. All the big names and earliest Sufis migrated south along with the capitol. Here’s an example of a famous Sufi Saint, check out his ancestry tree: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Sahib_Husayni

Here’s another guy from that same lineage apparently: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Asif_Quadri

Another: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmed_Quadri


His ancestors migrated from Baghdad first to Allahabad in north India, and then shifted south to Tekmal adopting this town as their permanent native place.

misanthropy
02-02-2018, 09:20 AM
Ah, yeah. Here’s mine, since my mom’s side is Syed. Most of my Middle Eastern probably is from my dad’s side though, since it’s more recent (~1700-1800s). E African is part of the paternal Yemeni of course.

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 48.9
2 Baloch 30.29
3 Caucasian 6.2
4 SW-Asian 4.51
5 NE-Euro 2.67
6 NE-Asian 1.99
7 E-African 1.9
8 Siberian 1.2
9 American 0.77
10 Papuan 0.51
11 SE-Asian 0.45
12 San 0.35
13 Beringian 0.26

bmoney
02-02-2018, 12:16 PM
It kind of make you think what could have been the situation that they took the identity while knowing it is not true.

Its possible, all you need is one ancestor

bmoney
02-02-2018, 12:18 PM
Ah, yeah. Here’s mine, since my mom’s side is Syed. Most of my Middle Eastern probably is from my dad’s side though, since it’s more recent (~1700-1800s). E African is part of the paternal Yemeni of course.

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 48.9
2 Baloch 30.29
3 Caucasian 6.2
4 SW-Asian 4.51
5 NE-Euro 2.67
6 NE-Asian 1.99
7 E-African 1.9
8 Siberian 1.2
9 American 0.77
10 Papuan 0.51
11 SE-Asian 0.45
12 San 0.35
13 Beringian 0.26

That SW Asian + E African is a giveaway

Your SI seems to be on the high end for a Dakhni Muslim - Im guessing its random inheritance, theres probably someone in your family who scores under 40

Will be interesting to see where you plot on pois pca - im guessing you're going to be lonely

Whats your ANE k7? interested in your ENF levels

bmoney
02-02-2018, 12:23 PM
Some Shia's in Hyderabad have recent Iranian ancestry (like one grandparent being fully Iranian ) . As a whole most west asian shifted Muslim community would be dawoodi bohras (well, at least in South India as I do not know much about north Indian Muslims )

South India has Dawoodi Bohras? Also from a Mallu point of view we have a lot of Muslims of Yemeni ancestry like the Thangals

drobbah
02-02-2018, 01:03 PM
My mom’s side are Sunni Sufi Syeds from Hyderabad and they have a levantine/East Med look to them (after researching phenotypes), some look Afghan, and some more Indian. My own brother got the maternal influence and he has a Syrian look alike I found online along with my cousin, another Syrian lookalike, both freakishly close matches. I wonder why the levant in particular. You would think that would be a long time ago and washed out.

There’s something special about Hyderabad. It was the Muslim capital of India, after all. It used to be Delhi until it moved south to the Deccan region during the reign of Muhammad Bin Tughluq. All the big names and earliest Sufis migrated south along with the capitol. Here’s an example of a famous Sufi Saint, check out his ancestry tree: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Sahib_Husayni

Here’s another guy from that same lineage apparently: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Asif_Quadri

Another: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmed_Quadri
There are also descendants of Somali merchants in Hyderabad.I met one recently via a contact of mine but he was an old man....he memorised his tribal lineage and told me many stories and said there are small community of them still there but younger ones have become completely Indian.Here's a video of a Somali journalist interviewing both a Yemeni-Indian (in the middle) and a Somali Indian (far left)


https://youtu.be/z1SPcacK5ZY?t=213

MonkeyDLuffy
02-02-2018, 01:08 PM
There are also descendants of Somali merchants in Hyderabad.I met one recently via a contact of mine but he was an old man....he memorised his tribal lineage and told me many stories and said there are small community of them still there but younger ones have become completely Indian.Here's a video of a Somali journalist interviewing both a Yemeni-Indian (in the middle) and a Somali Indian (far left)


https://youtu.be/z1SPcacK5ZY?t=213

If they have mixed with local muslims for 2-3 generations, the African must have went down to 10-12%. I wonder if someone tested.

MonkeyDLuffy
02-02-2018, 01:10 PM
Its possible, all you need is one ancestor

Which I doubt for a lot of syeds, as we posted two syed results here with no trace of west asian ancestry. Even the Ydna is local.

drobbah
02-02-2018, 01:16 PM
If they have mixed with local muslims for 2-3 generations, the African must have went down to 10-12%. I wonder if someone tested.
The Somali dude ancestor arrived in 1865 so he probably has like 12% E.African and 8-10% SW Asian and considering the clan of his paternal ancestors he is probably T-M184+.While the Yemeni-Indian dude next to him has a Yemeni mother and Indian father.

Tirunelvi
02-02-2018, 01:40 PM
I'm supposedly Syed through my father's line but my Y-DNA is completely local. Wouldn't be suprised if it was from a socially disadvantaged convert who faked Sayyid lineage.

S-Indian 44.16
Baloch 32.27
Caucasian 6.30
NE-Euro 6.81
SE-Asian 1.96
Siberian 1.23
NE-Asian 1.07
Papuan 1.96
American 0.35
Beringian
Mediterranean 1.98
SW-Asian 1.52
San 0.23
E-African 0.15

BMG
02-02-2018, 01:54 PM
South India has Dawoodi Bohras? Also from a Mallu point of view we have a lot of Muslims of Yemeni ancestry like the Thangals
There are dawoodi bohras in Hyderabad , Mysore and even in Tamil Nadu . They are one of the major Shia community of South India .
Thangals may have minor yemeni ancestry as they claim so. Generally Kerala Muslims doesn't show elevated west asian ancestry but a minority does have some Arab connection . There was an old ydna study which showed 4/40 samples to be J1 .

misanthropy
02-02-2018, 06:48 PM
That SW Asian + E African is a giveaway

Your SI seems to be on the high end for a Dakhni Muslim - Im guessing its random inheritance, theres probably someone in your family who scores under 40

Will be interesting to see where you plot on pois pca - im guessing you're going to be lonely

Whats your ANE k7? interested in your ENF levels

A giveaway for Syed in there? Yeah I think it shows both contributions, since if it was only my paternal side, it would be a lot for just a Yemeni great grandfather from the ~1700-1800s.

My 23andme shows North African + Middle East + East African (and some NW Europe? lol).

I think the Middle East (on 23andme this is the northern, less Arab countries like Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Iran, etc.) is from my mom's. And Yemenis and Saudis hardly score any Middle East on 23andme, they get assigned North African.

I'm definitely on the darker side when I'm around my maternal relatives, even compared to my mom and brother.

If anyone is curious about my 23andme:

South Asian 93.2%
Broadly South Asian 93.2%
Middle Eastern & North African 4.3%
North African 2.6%
Middle Eastern 1.7%
Broadly Middle Eastern & North African < 0.1%
Sub-Saharan African 0.9%
East African 0.9%
European 0.8%
Northwestern European 0.6%
-Broadly Northwestern European 0.6%
Broadly European 0.2%
East Asian & Native American 0.2%
East Asian 0.2%
-Broadly East Asian 0.2%
Broadly East Asian & Native American < 0.1%
Unassigned 0.7%

Ancestry Timeline

You most likely had a parent, or grandparent who was 100% South Asian. This person was likely born between 1930 and 1960.

You most likely had a second great-grandparent, third great-grandparent, fourth great-grandparent, or fifth great-grandparent who was 100% Middle Eastern. This person was likely born between 1780 and 1870.

You most likely had a third great-grandparent, fourth great-grandparent, fifth great-grandparent, or sixth great-grandparent who was 100% East African. This person was likely born between 1750 and 1840.

You most likely had a third great-grandparent, fourth great-grandparent, fifth great-grandparent, or sixth great-grandparent who was 100% North African. This person was likely born between 1750 and 1840.

ANE K7:

Population
ANE 26.65
ASE 19.58
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 8.06
West_African -
East_African 5.89
ENF 39.82

That's a lot of ENF, never noticed this one. Early Neolithic Farmers from the fertile crescent are the same ancient people who populated Ireland and England. I wonder if my trace NW Euro on 23andme is just this ancient common ancestry. Just like how trace NE Europe/Finland on 23andme in South Asians is ancient common ancestry?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/29/14/2FAA305600000578-3377264-image-a-40_1451398811884.jpg

MonkeyDLuffy
02-02-2018, 07:31 PM
A giveaway for Syed in there? Yeah I think it shows both contributions, since if it was only my paternal side, it would be a lot for just a Yemeni great grandfather from the ~1700-1800s.

My 23andme shows North African + Middle East + East African (and some NW Europe? lol).

I think the Middle East (on 23andme this is the northern, less Arab countries like Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Iran, etc.) is from my mom's. And Yemenis and Saudis hardly score any Middle East on 23andme, they get assigned North African.

I'm definitely on the darker side when I'm around my maternal relatives, even compared to my mom and brother.

If anyone is curious about my 23andme:

South Asian 93.2%
Broadly South Asian 93.2%
Middle Eastern & North African 4.3%
North African 2.6%
Middle Eastern 1.7%
Broadly Middle Eastern & North African < 0.1%
Sub-Saharan African 0.9%
East African 0.9%
European 0.8%
Northwestern European 0.6%
-Broadly Northwestern European 0.6%
Broadly European 0.2%
East Asian & Native American 0.2%
East Asian 0.2%
-Broadly East Asian 0.2%
Broadly East Asian & Native American < 0.1%
Unassigned 0.7%

Ancestry Timeline

You most likely had a parent, or grandparent who was 100% South Asian. This person was likely born between 1930 and 1960.

You most likely had a second great-grandparent, third great-grandparent, fourth great-grandparent, or fifth great-grandparent who was 100% Middle Eastern. This person was likely born between 1780 and 1870.

You most likely had a third great-grandparent, fourth great-grandparent, fifth great-grandparent, or sixth great-grandparent who was 100% East African. This person was likely born between 1750 and 1840.

You most likely had a third great-grandparent, fourth great-grandparent, fifth great-grandparent, or sixth great-grandparent who was 100% North African. This person was likely born between 1750 and 1840.

ANE K7:

Population
ANE 26.65
ASE 19.58
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 8.06
West_African -
East_African 5.89
ENF 39.82

That's a lot of ENF, never noticed this one. Early Neolithic Farmers from the fertile crescent are the same ancient people who populated Ireland and England. I wonder if my trace NW Euro on 23andme is just this ancient common ancestry. Just like how trace NE Europe/Finland on 23andme in South Asians is ancient common ancestry?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/29/14/2FAA305600000578-3377264-image-a-40_1451398811884.jpg

Ignore the Euro, that's just ancient stuff, Majority of South Asians score it. I'd recommend you to get you maternal side tested, a male so we can see what's the Y halogroup they have plus if they have any West asian ancestry. I still don't take phenotype seriously but it might have some connection.

bmoney
02-03-2018, 12:56 AM
A giveaway for Syed in there? Yeah I think it shows both contributions, since if it was only my paternal side, it would be a lot for just a Yemeni great grandfather from the ~1700-1800s.


Sorry not necessarily Syed but just recent SW Asian geneflow

I dont score any MENA on 23andme

And that ENF level could be old Iran_N or recent, cant tell but its not particularly high

misanthropy
02-05-2018, 11:35 PM
Have you guys seen this study, by any chance?

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/mace-lab/publications/articles/2010/Belle_AAS10_Syed.pdf


This study shows that the Y chromosomes of a sample of self-identified Syed men exhibit the same level of genetic diversity as their non-IHL neighbours from the Indian subcontinent. However, self-identified men belonging to the IHL (Syeds, Hashemites, Quraysh and Ansari) show a greater genetic affinity to Arab populations —despite the geographic distance —than do their neighbouring populations from India and Pakistan.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Classical_multidimensional_scaling_based_on_RST_ge netic_distances_showing_the_genetic_affinities_of_ the_Syeds_with_their_non_IHL_neighbours_from_India _and_Pakistan_%28both_in_bold_characters%29_and_wi th_various_other_Arab_populations.png/350px-thumbnail.png

I don't get the Rst genetic distances thing, but it seems really close to those Middle Eastern groups for those IHL Syeds.

Koshur_Sam
02-07-2018, 02:41 PM
Oh the good old syed/sayyid topic, anyone would think all of Prophet Muhammad’s lineage ended up in the Indian subcontinent with the amount of so called Sayyids I encounter!
They don’t even apparently allow marriage to non Sayyids, if that was the case, as many families do profess such rules, they would have almost 0% South Asian ancestry or at least enough to say it’s typical of someone from the Middle East, I have yet to see such a thing, no matter how many family trees and charts they all start pulling out of the woodworks to prove their ‘heritage’.

Koshur_Sam
02-07-2018, 02:51 PM
Just to prove a point, My 23andMe shows Middle Eastern and points to a 2nd or 3rd great grandparent being 100% Middle Eastern. Middle Eastern doesn’t necessarily then mean you have Sayyid ancestry...

South Asian - 95.0%
Middle Eastern & North African - 3.6%
East Asian & Native American - 0.3%
European - 0.2%

vintage_sky
02-07-2018, 09:20 PM
I have several syed matches on Ancestry and 23andme. Either I am syed and do not know it or I detect "chip-grafting" on several family trees! LOL

Taqi_G
02-09-2018, 12:25 AM
I am a Syed from Punjab in Pakistan. Here are my Harappa results:



Population
S-Indian 34.93
Baloch 37.36
Caucasian 12.81
NE-Euro 6.86
SE-Asian 0.80
Siberian 0.61
NE-Asian 0.49
Papuan 0.28
American 1.63
Beringian 0.83
Mediterranean 1.57
SW-Asian 1.84
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

MonkeyDLuffy
02-09-2018, 04:07 AM
I am a Syed from Punjab in Pakistan. Here are my Harappa results:



Population
S-Indian 34.93
Baloch 37.36
Caucasian 12.81
NE-Euro 6.86
SE-Asian 0.80
Siberian 0.61
NE-Asian 0.49
Papuan 0.28
American 1.63
Beringian 0.83
Mediterranean 1.57
SW-Asian 1.84
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Can you post the ANE K7 as well? and if possible Oracle of MDLP K16.

bol_nat
02-09-2018, 11:56 PM
I am a Syed from Punjab in Pakistan. Here are my Harappa results:



Population
S-Indian 34.93
Baloch 37.36
Caucasian 12.81
NE-Euro 6.86
SE-Asian 0.80
Siberian 0.61
NE-Asian 0.49
Papuan 0.28
American 1.63
Beringian 0.83
Mediterranean 1.57
SW-Asian 1.84
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Where in punjab? Your results are bit different then other punjabi Syed.

Taqi_G
02-10-2018, 01:01 AM
ANE K7:

Population
ANE 28.28
ASE 17.48
WHG-UHG 3.30
East_Eurasian 4.64
West_African 0.28
East_African 2.13
ENF 43.89


Oracle of MDLP K16:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Gujjar (Punjab) 3.32
2 Jatt (Pahari) 5.06
3 Meena (Rajasthan) 5.51
4 Sindhi (Sindh) 5.69
5 Jatt (Muslim) 6.12
6 Kashmiri_Pandit (Kashmir) 6.46
7 Pathan (Punjab) 6.86
8 Brahmin (India) 7.36
9 Kshatriya (India) 8.13
10 Brahmin (Tamil_Nadu) 8.81
11 Burusho (Pakistan) 9.21
12 Brahmin (Uttar_Pradesh) 9.26
13 GujaratiA (Gujarat) 9.67
14 Vaish (Odisha) 9.81
15 Kalash (Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa) 10.21
16 Meghawal (Gujarat) 10.62
17 Jew (Mumbai) 11.47
18 Jew (Cochin) 11.6
19 Jatt (Haryana) 11.71
20 Balochi (Baluchistan) 11.89

Taqi_G
02-10-2018, 01:03 AM
bol_nat

I am from a village near Gujrat.

bol_nat
02-10-2018, 01:24 AM
bol_nat

I am from a village near Gujrat.


Your top population in ANE 7 are gujjar and "pahari" jatt samples who are also from Gujrat. Looks like punjab syeds may not all have same results. You don't show much MED and SW-Asian like other punjabi syed. More caucasian and less SI as well.

misanthropy
12-24-2018, 09:14 PM
Came across this Indian Syeda as a distant relative on my brother's 23andme account. Interestingly, we both get traces of West Asian and Euro with both of us being Indians with claimed Syed ancestry, although my West Asian and Euro traces could also be part of my paternal Hadhrahmi side.

This is what she had under her description:
My Maternal Haplogroup is R31a.
1. Doug McDonald:
78.8% (+- 0.5%) South Asia (all India)
21.2% (+- 0.5%) Mideast(various subcontinents)
pos sible population sets and their fractions
Adygei= 0.218 N_India= 0.782
Turkish= 0.207 N_India= 0.793
2.Dienekes:
DOD 891
South Asia 46%
West Asia 16.1%
West Europe 12.2%
Mediterranean 7.8
SouthEast Asia 5.5
SouthWest Asia 4.6
East Europe 4.5
3. Harappa Ancestry
HRP0119
South Asia 49%
Onge 19%
Europe 15%
SouthWest Asia 13%
GEDMATCH - M082815
HIR Search - Erum Tanvir My grandparents (both sides) were from India but my ancestors were Muslim missionaries who originally migrated from Central Asia (mainly from Termez and Bukhara which are "now" part of Uzbekistan) in 587 AH/1190 AD. Unfortunately I don't have much information. I'm hoping to find some answers and hopefully some distant cousins from Central Asia.

23andme:

MtDNA: R31a

South Asian 93.3%
Western Asian 1.6%
East African 0.2%
East Asian & Native American 1.3% (Siberian 0.3%; SE Asian 0.6%)
European 2.2% (British & Irish 0.4%; Broadly NW Euro 0.2%; Broadly S Euro 0.4%; Broadly Euro 1.2%)
Unassigned 1.4%

Harappa:

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 37.42
2 S-Indian 35.78
3 NE-Euro 8.2
4 Caucasian 7.01
5 SW-Asian 3.92
6 Mediterranean 2.5
7 American 1.61
8 SE-Asian 1.37
9 NE-Asian 0.95
10 Siberian 0.76
11 Papuan 0.49

Censored
12-24-2018, 09:17 PM
Came across this Indian Syeda as a distant relative on my brother's 23andme account. Interestingly, we both get traces of West Asian and Euro with both of us being Indians with claimed Syed ancestry, although my West Asian and Euro traces could also be part of my paternal Hadhrahmi side.

This is what she had under her description:
My Maternal Haplogroup is R31a.
1. Doug McDonald:
78.8% (+- 0.5%) South Asia (all India)
21.2% (+- 0.5%) Mideast(various subcontinents)
pos sible population sets and their fractions
Adygei= 0.218 N_India= 0.782
Turkish= 0.207 N_India= 0.793
2.Dienekes:
DOD 891
South Asia 46%
West Asia 16.1%
West Europe 12.2%
Mediterranean 7.8
SouthEast Asia 5.5
SouthWest Asia 4.6
East Europe 4.5
3. Harappa Ancestry
HRP0119
South Asia 49%
Onge 19%
Europe 15%
SouthWest Asia 13%
GEDMATCH - M082815
HIR Search - Erum Tanvir My grandparents (both sides) were from India but my ancestors were Muslim missionaries who originally migrated from Central Asia (mainly from Termez and Bukhara which are "now" part of Uzbekistan) in 587 AH/1190 AD. Unfortunately I don't have much information. I'm hoping to find some answers and hopefully some distant cousins from Central Asia.

23andme:

MtDNA: R31a

South Asian 93.3%
Western Asian 1.6%
East African 0.2%
East Asian & Native American 1.3% (Siberian 0.3%; SE Asian 0.6%)
European 2.2% (British & Irish 0.4%; Broadly NW Euro 0.2%; Broadly S Euro 0.4%; Broadly Euro 1.2%)
Unassigned 1.4%

Harappa:

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 37.42
2 S-Indian 35.78
3 NE-Euro 8.2
4 Caucasian 7.01
5 SW-Asian 3.92
6 Mediterranean 2.5
7 American 1.61
8 SE-Asian 1.37
9 NE-Asian 0.95
10 Siberian 0.76
11 Papuan 0.49

What is Doug McDonald?

misanthropy
12-24-2018, 09:25 PM
What is Doug McDonald?

I was wondering the same thing, so random.

Her K36 does show a little Arabian.

Amerindian 1.17
Arabian 2.16
Armenian 1.02
Basque -
Central_African 0.39
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.29
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.06
Fennoscandian 1.00
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan 1.27
Near_Eastern 3.67
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.73
North_Caucasian 6.54
North_Sea 3.17
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.46
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 40.83
South_Central_Asian 34.24
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Rustyshakelford
12-24-2018, 10:43 PM
What is Doug McDonald?

He’s a professor at U of I. You used to be able to send your file to him and he would run it through his program but I think he’s gotten too many requests so he stopped doing it. I sent mine in a couple months ago but still no response.

Raza94
12-25-2018, 06:31 AM
Here are my updated results

Syed from Jhang district,Punjab,Pakistan:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 37.86
2 S-Indian 34.96
3 Caucasian 13.85
4 NE-Euro 4.37
5 SW-Asian 3.07
6 Siberian 1.99
7 NE-Asian 1.34
8 E-African 1.16

Y-Haplogroup is R-Y6 according to 23&me

agent_lime
12-25-2018, 06:50 AM
Here are my updated results

Syed from Jhang district,Punjab,Pakistan:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 37.86
2 S-Indian 34.96
3 Caucasian 13.85
4 NE-Euro 4.37
5 SW-Asian 3.07
6 Siberian 1.99
7 NE-Asian 1.34
8 E-African 1.16

Y-Haplogroup is R-Y6 according to 23&me

Raza do you what's your Biradri? Is it Rajput? That high Caucasian, low NE Euro + high SI is unique.

Raza94
12-25-2018, 07:01 AM
Raza do you what's your Biradri? Is it Rajput? That high Caucasian, low NE Euro + high SI is unique.

Well we claim to be Syed which I have doubted for a while. Do you think my results are closer to some Rajputs? I have heard that out of respect they would sometimes call Rajputs "Syed" but I dont know how true that is

agent_lime
12-25-2018, 07:09 AM
Well we claim to be Syed which I have doubted for a while. Do you think my results are closer to some Rajputs? I have heard that out of respect they would sometimes call Rajputs "Syed" but I dont know how true that is

Can you post your oracles?

Raza94
12-25-2018, 08:35 AM
Can you post your oracles?

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 4.137795
2 punjabi_harappa @ 6.080265
3 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 6.583158
4 up-muslim_harappa @ 7.050639
5 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 7.075553
6 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 7.357648
7 kashmiri_harappa @ 7.368240
8 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 8.245827
9 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 8.384118
10 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 8.498767
11 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 8.607004
12 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 9.511598
13 punjabi-arain_xing @ 9.515594
14 sindhi_harappa @ 10.216156
15 sindhi_hgdp @ 11.575945
16 nepali_harappa @ 11.715089
17 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 11.918376
18 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 12.368030
19 up-brahmin_harappa @ 12.378859
20 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 12.625798

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% cochin-jew_behar +50% sindhi_harappa @ 3.806883


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-a_hapmap +25% iranian_harappa +25% sindhi_harappa @ 2.561098


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.252167
2 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 2.384621
3 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + iranian_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.419906
4 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + iranian_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.456153
5 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + iranian_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 2.495598
6 ap-reddy_harappa + bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_harappa @ 2.534221
7 bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp + velama_reich @ 2.543878
8 ap-reddy_harappa + bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.549371
9 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + iranian_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 2.552862
10 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_harappa + sindhi_harappa @ 2.561098
11 bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp + tamil_harappa @ 2.566713
12 bene-israel-jew_behar + bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + velama_reich @ 2.566996
13 ap-reddy_harappa + bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.594677
14 bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + sindhi_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 2.612452
15 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_harappa + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 2.614837
16 bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + sindhi_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.624795
17 bene-israel-jew_behar + bhatia_harappa + sindhi_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.628664
18 ap-reddy_harappa + bene-israel-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + sindhi_harappa @ 2.632177
19 ap-reddy_harappa + bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + iranian_harappa @ 2.645184
20 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_behar + velama_reich @ 2.654587

Any other calculators you think would be good?

agent_lime
12-25-2018, 09:23 AM
Least-squares method.

Any other calculators you think would be good?

It would be interesting to see you on G25. My feeling is that you have Iranian mixed with PJL B/C kind of population. That's how you get such high Caucasian and SI numbers.

Raza94
12-25-2018, 06:43 PM
It would be interesting to see you on G25. My feeling is that you have Iranian mixed with PJL B/C kind of population. That's how you get such high Caucasian and SI numbers.

As far as we have known our family has been in the subcontinent for a long time, but we do claim to come from Abdul Qadir Gilani. According to family history we were in Gujranwala and Pindi Bhattian before Jhang.

Where can I find the G25 calc?

MonkeyDLuffy
12-25-2018, 07:16 PM
As far as we have known our family has been in the subcontinent for a long time, but we do claim to come from Abdul Qadir Gilani. According to family history we were in Gujranwala and Pindi Bhattian before Jhang.

Where can I find the G25 calc?

Yea I'd recommend g25 nmonte. You need to send your data to Davidski from.eurogenes, he charges $15-$20 and will send you your corrdinates back. Just PM that coordinates to Poi so he can add you to his webtool. We all are in there. It has all the ancient samples we've found in the region, so works great in finding actual foriegn ancestry.

Raza94
12-26-2018, 12:28 AM
Yea I'd recommend g25 nmonte. You need to send your data to Davidski from.eurogenes, he charges $15-$20 and will send you your corrdinates back. Just PM that coordinates to Poi so he can add you to his webtool. We all are in there. It has all the ancient samples we've found in the region, so works great in finding actual foriegn ancestry.

Cool man I will def check it out,thanks!

asadzaidi
03-02-2021, 02:15 AM
Muhajir Syed here... My family moved to Pakistan from Rajasthan, India in 1947.

From what I have researched on the internet, my ancestors first moved to the Indian subcontinent in 11th or 12th century so its only natural that we are ethnically South Asian. Although I don't know much about our ethnicity than being Syeds in Rajasthan who spoke Urdu and identity as Urdu-speaking in Pakistan.

My paternal haplogroup is J-M67 i.e. J1 which I believe originates from Western Asia. Maternal haplogroup is T1, which is apparently common in Central Asia & turkic populations.

Here are my results on Harappaworld:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 36.91
2 Baloch 36.15
3 Caucasian 9.73
4 NE-Euro 7.77
5 SW-Asian 2.86
6 American 1.62
7 Siberian 1.56
8 Mediterranean 1.51
9 NE-Asian 1.19


23andme says I'm 96.6% North Indian and Pakistani (with a match with the Punjab region, UP, Haryana), 2.4% Central Asian, and 1% Iranian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian.

asadzaidi
03-02-2021, 02:18 AM
good thread

I want to see results of some Muhajir Syeds specially shia Muhajirs because I have observed some interesting phenotype diversity among them.

Idk if you're still following this thread or topic but I'm a Shia Muhajir Syed. Just posted my results here :)

subzero85
03-02-2021, 02:29 AM
Muhajir Syed here... My family moved to Pakistan from Rajasthan, India in 1947.

From what I have researched on the internet, my ancestors first moved to the Indian subcontinent in 11th or 12th century so its only natural that we are ethnically South Asian. Although I don't know much about our ethnicity than being Syeds in Rajasthan who spoke Urdu and identity as Urdu-speaking in Pakistan.

My paternal haplogroup is J-M67 i.e. J1 which I believe originates from Western Asia. Maternal haplogroup is T1, which is apparently common in Central Asia & turkic populations.

Here are my results on Harappaworld:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 36.91
2 Baloch 36.15
3 Caucasian 9.73
4 NE-Euro 7.77
5 SW-Asian 2.86
6 American 1.62
7 Siberian 1.56
8 Mediterranean 1.51
9 NE-Asian 1.19


23andme says I'm 96.6% North Indian and Pakistani (with a match with the Punjab region, UP, Haryana), 2.4% Central Asian, and 1% Iranian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian.

You mean J-M267?

J-M67 is part of J2a.

I think I remember you from 23andMe's forums.

Jatt1
03-02-2021, 02:39 AM
delete.

Kirtan24
03-02-2021, 03:08 AM
Muhajir Syed here... My family moved to Pakistan from Rajasthan, India in 1947.

From what I have researched on the internet, my ancestors first moved to the Indian subcontinent in 11th or 12th century so its only natural that we are ethnically South Asian. Although I don't know much about our ethnicity than being Syeds in Rajasthan who spoke Urdu and identity as Urdu-speaking in Pakistan.

My paternal haplogroup is J-M67 i.e. J1 which I believe originates from Western Asia. Maternal haplogroup is T1, which is apparently common in Central Asia & turkic populations.

Here are my results on Harappaworld:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 36.91
2 Baloch 36.15
3 Caucasian 9.73
4 NE-Euro 7.77
5 SW-Asian 2.86
6 American 1.62
7 Siberian 1.56
8 Mediterranean 1.51
9 NE-Asian 1.19


23andme says I'm 96.6% North Indian and Pakistani (with a match with the Punjab region, UP, Haryana), 2.4% Central Asian, and 1% Iranian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian.

could you post your oracles?

asadzaidi
03-02-2021, 03:14 AM
You mean J-M267?

J-M67 is part of J2a.

I think I remember you from 23andMe's forums.

My bad! Yes, its J-M267.

and nice to meet again

asadzaidi
03-02-2021, 03:17 AM
could you post your oracles?

Using 1 population approximation:
1 up-muslim_harappa @ 3.815987
2 punjabi_harappa @ 5.534684
3 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 6.496271
4 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 6.550885
5 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 6.586778
6 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.686420
7 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 6.723610
8 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 6.862713
9 up-brahmin_harappa @ 7.044865
10 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 7.105602
11 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 7.781781
12 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 7.812788
13 nepali_harappa @ 8.374754
14 nepalese-a_xing @ 8.434888
15 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 8.605257
16 bengali-brahmin_harappa @ 8.687731
17 kashmiri_harappa @ 8.838791
18 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu @ 8.893381
19 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 9.239162
20 meena_metspalu @ 9.758748

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu +50% gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 2.159864


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% sindhi_harappa +25% up-muslim_harappa +25% up-scheduled-caste_metspalu @ 1.594671


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 bhatia_harappa + meghawal_metspalu + pashtun_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa @ 1.229027
2 bihari-brahmin_harappa + naidu_reich + pashtun_harappa + sindhi_harappa @ 1.398585
3 bene-israel-jew_behar + bhatia_harappa + kanjar_metspalu + nepalese-a_xing @ 1.426515
4 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kerala-nair_harappa + pashtun_harappa + punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 1.447664
5 bene-israel-jew_behar + bhatia_harappa + dharkar_metspalu + nepalese-a_xing @ 1.456282
6 gujarati-muslim_harappa + haryana-jatt_harappa + naidu_reich + sindhi_harappa @ 1.461291
7 bhatia_harappa + bihari-muslim_harappa + naidu_reich + pashtun_harappa @ 1.474910
8 cochin-jew_behar + haryana-jatt_harappa + meghawal_metspalu + sindhi_harappa @ 1.476534
9 kerala-nair_harappa + pashtun_harappa + pathan_hgdp + up-scheduled-caste_metspalu @ 1.488963
10 ap-brahmin_xing + dharkar_metspalu + pashtun_harappa + sindhi_harappa @ 1.497118
11 ap-hyderabad_harappa + pashtun_harappa + punjabi-arain_xing + vaish_reich @ 1.505602
12 cochin-jew_behar + haryana-jatt_harappa + kashmiri_harappa + kerala-nair_harappa @ 1.508048
13 kerala-nair_harappa + pashtun_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu + up-muslim_harappa @ 1.523022
14 bhatia_harappa + naidu_reich + pashtun_harappa + vaish_reich @ 1.548125
15 kerala-nair_harappa + pashtun_harappa + punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa + sourastrian_harappa @ 1.555959
16 naidu_reich + pashtun_harappa + pathan_hgdp + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.558069
17 meghawal_metspalu + sindhi_harappa + up-muslim_harappa + up-muslim_harappa @ 1.560264
18 ap-hyderabad_harappa + bhatia_harappa + dharkar_metspalu + pashtun_harappa @ 1.562418
19 ap-brahmin_xing + kerala-nair_harappa + pashtun_harappa + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 1.568154
20 ap-hyderabad_harappa + bhatia_harappa + cochin-jew_behar + haryana-jatt_harappa @ 1.572965

Done.

Jatt1
03-02-2021, 03:39 AM
My bad! Yes, its J-M267.

and nice to meet again

What is your subclade?

MonkeyDLuffy
03-02-2021, 03:55 AM
Muhajir Syed here... My family moved to Pakistan from Rajasthan, India in 1947.

From what I have researched on the internet, my ancestors first moved to the Indian subcontinent in 11th or 12th century so its only natural that we are ethnically South Asian. Although I don't know much about our ethnicity than being Syeds in Rajasthan who spoke Urdu and identity as Urdu-speaking in Pakistan.

My paternal haplogroup is J-M67 i.e. J1 which I believe originates from Western Asia. Maternal haplogroup is T1, which is apparently common in Central Asia & turkic populations.

Here are my results on Harappaworld:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 36.91
2 Baloch 36.15
3 Caucasian 9.73
4 NE-Euro 7.77
5 SW-Asian 2.86
6 American 1.62
7 Siberian 1.56
8 Mediterranean 1.51
9 NE-Asian 1.19


23andme says I'm 96.6% North Indian and Pakistani (with a match with the Punjab region, UP, Haryana), 2.4% Central Asian, and 1% Iranian, Caucasian and Mesopotamian.

T1a1 maternal haplo is found all over south Asia. Not common, but not rare.

royaljoker
03-03-2021, 12:36 PM
My bad! Yes, its J-M267.

and nice to meet again

Hi Asad, nice to have you here. Do you by any chance belong to a established 'Saadat". Like the Saadats of Amroha, Bilgrim, Gardez, Sabzwar etc etc.

Also if you don't mind. Just so I can figure out what relation you might have with other established saadats. Do you by any chance know the son of Imam Zayd that you descend from.

From the books I've read, Imam Zayd had the following sons:
- Yahya Al Maktool al Juzjan - no children only a daughter.
- Abu Yahya Isa al Muatam al Ishbal
- Abu Abdullah Muhammad
- Abu Abdullah Hussain Zaw al Abrah

Imam Isa al Muatam al Ishbal is the ancestor of many UP saadats. He's also considered an Imam of the Zaidi Shia. Not in the infallible sense.

raza99
03-22-2021, 01:48 AM
Hi, I am a "syed" from Bihar-sharif, Bihar, India.
These are my gedmatch HarappaWorld results.
My paternal Haplogroup is R-Z93. Maternal is M-35b.

I feel the left side and right side columns of the mixed mode oracle, have an interesting pattern going on. What would be your opinions?


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 45.06
2 Baloch 28.53
3 Caucasian 7.34
4 NE-Euro 6.96
5 NE-Asian 3.81
6 SW-Asian 2.1
7 Mediterranean 2.04
8 Beringian 1.2
9 Siberian 1.14
10 American 0.51
11 Papuan 0.48
12 SE-Asian 0.45
13 E-African 0.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% chamar (metspalu) + 35.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 1.96
2 65.1% kamsali (reich) + 34.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.23
3 69.5% hallaki (reich) + 30.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.31
4 75.1% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 24.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
5 84.7% up-muslim (metspalu) + 15.3% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.42
6 63.2% sakilli (chaubey) + 36.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.44
7 70.2% kol (metspalu) + 29.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.52
8 84.5% up-muslim (metspalu) + 15.5% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.53
9 63.5% bhil (reich) + 36.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.55
10 60.8% madiga (reich) + 39.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.56
11 85.4% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 14.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.7
12 61.4% ap-madiga (xing) + 38.6% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.75
13 82.3% kanjar (metspalu) + 17.7% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.78
14 88% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 12% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.78
15 88.6% bihari (harappa) + 11.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.88
16 82.1% kanjar (metspalu) + 17.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
17 73.5% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 26.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.98
18 69.5% up-muslim (harappa) + 30.5% chenchu (reich) @ 2.99
19 79.1% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 20.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.01
20 62.8% tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) + 37.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.01

MonkeyDLuffy
03-22-2021, 01:51 AM
Hi, I am a "syed" from Bihar-sharif, Bihar, India.
These are my gedmatch HarappaWorld results.
My paternal Haplogroup is R-Z93. Maternal is M-35b.

I feel the left side and right side columns of the mixed mode oracle, have an interesting pattern going on. What would be your opinions?


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 45.06
2 Baloch 28.53
3 Caucasian 7.34
4 NE-Euro 6.96
5 NE-Asian 3.81
6 SW-Asian 2.1
7 Mediterranean 2.04
8 Beringian 1.2
9 Siberian 1.14
10 American 0.51
11 Papuan 0.48
12 SE-Asian 0.45
13 E-African 0.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% chamar (metspalu) + 35.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 1.96
2 65.1% kamsali (reich) + 34.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.23
3 69.5% hallaki (reich) + 30.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.31
4 75.1% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 24.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
5 84.7% up-muslim (metspalu) + 15.3% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.42
6 63.2% sakilli (chaubey) + 36.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.44
7 70.2% kol (metspalu) + 29.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.52
8 84.5% up-muslim (metspalu) + 15.5% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.53
9 63.5% bhil (reich) + 36.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.55
10 60.8% madiga (reich) + 39.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.56
11 85.4% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 14.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.7
12 61.4% ap-madiga (xing) + 38.6% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.75
13 82.3% kanjar (metspalu) + 17.7% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.78
14 88% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 12% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.78
15 88.6% bihari (harappa) + 11.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.88
16 82.1% kanjar (metspalu) + 17.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
17 73.5% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 26.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.98
18 69.5% up-muslim (harappa) + 30.5% chenchu (reich) @ 2.99
19 79.1% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 20.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.01
20 62.8% tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) + 37.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.01

Seems like your Syed ancestor was Bukhari or some kind of central Asian. Although your Ydna seems to be local R1a.

Ahmer786
03-22-2021, 02:43 AM
You belong to which village of BiharSharif and which Saadat group

Ahmer786
03-22-2021, 02:47 AM
Hi, I am a "syed" from Bihar-sharif, Bihar, India.
These are my gedmatch HarappaWorld results.
My paternal Haplogroup is R-Z93. Maternal is M-35b.

I feel the left side and right side columns of the mixed mode oracle, have an interesting pattern going on. What would be your opinions?


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 45.06
2 Baloch 28.53
3 Caucasian 7.34
4 NE-Euro 6.96
5 NE-Asian 3.81
6 SW-Asian 2.1
7 Mediterranean 2.04
8 Beringian 1.2
9 Siberian 1.14
10 American 0.51
11 Papuan 0.48
12 SE-Asian 0.45
13 E-African 0.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% chamar (metspalu) + 35.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 1.96
2 65.1% kamsali (reich) + 34.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.23
3 69.5% hallaki (reich) + 30.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.31
4 75.1% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 24.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
5 84.7% up-muslim (metspalu) + 15.3% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.42
6 63.2% sakilli (chaubey) + 36.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.44
7 70.2% kol (metspalu) + 29.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.52
8 84.5% up-muslim (metspalu) + 15.5% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.53
9 63.5% bhil (reich) + 36.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.55
10 60.8% madiga (reich) + 39.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.56
11 85.4% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 14.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.7
12 61.4% ap-madiga (xing) + 38.6% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.75
13 82.3% kanjar (metspalu) + 17.7% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.78
14 88% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 12% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.78
15 88.6% bihari (harappa) + 11.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.88
16 82.1% kanjar (metspalu) + 17.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
17 73.5% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 26.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.98
18 69.5% up-muslim (harappa) + 30.5% chenchu (reich) @ 2.99
19 79.1% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 20.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.01
20 62.8% tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) + 37.2% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.01

You belong to which village or khankah or Sadaat group of BiharSharif, are you Mallick Syed of BiharSharif?

raza99
03-22-2021, 03:21 AM
You belong to which village or khankah or Sadaat group of BiharSharif, are you Mallick Syed of BiharSharif?

My paternal side claims to be Syed and my grandfather passed away before I was born. I don't think we are Mallicks, but I will refrain from saying things, before confirming the details. I will get back to this thread with the info in future.

Ahmer786
03-22-2021, 03:48 AM
My paternal side claims to be Syed and my grandfather passed away before I was born. I don't think we are Mallicks, but I will refrain from saying things, before confirming the details. I will get back to this thread with the info in future.

What’s your mother side caste shaikh ?

raza99
03-22-2021, 05:18 AM
What’s your mother side caste shaikh ?

Yes, actually!

deuterium_1
03-22-2021, 08:44 AM
Yes, actually!

Are both sides of your family from Bihar Sharif?

Most of my maternal side is from Siwan, Bihar but we have intermarried with families from Bihar Sharif too.

Raza94
04-01-2021, 09:30 PM
My Paternal uncle. MDL has taken a look and says it shows more of a Central Asian mixture instead of Iranian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 35.86
2 S-Indian 33.02
3 Caucasian 9.91
4 NE-Euro 6.75
5 Mediterranean 3.88
6 SW-Asian 3.83
7 Siberian 3.04
8 NE-Asian 2.10


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 up-muslim_harappa @ 4.357187
2 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 5.513995
3 punjabi_harappa @ 5.753206
4 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.384236
5 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 6.787147
6 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 7.134447
7 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 7.271508
8 kashmiri_harappa @ 7.436440
9 nepali_harappa @ 7.447775
10 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 7.546604
11 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 7.579695
12 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 7.958701
13 nepalese-a_xing @ 9.298099
14 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 9.535517
15 punjabi-arain_xing @ 9.590561
16 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 9.664124
17 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 9.817131
18 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 10.257105
19 sindhi_harappa @ 10.374112
20 up-brahmin_harappa @ 10.674819

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-muslim_harappa +50% up-muslim_harappa @ 4.087067


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% kerala-brahmin_harappa +25% meena_metspalu +25% turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.883279


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 balochi_hgdp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev + up-scheduled-caste_metspalu @ 2.137506
2 balochi_hgdp + naidu_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.221418
3 balochi_hgdp + kol_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.233024
4 balochi_hgdp + hallaki_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.238307
5 balochi_hgdp + kurumba_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.264821
6 brahui_hgdp + hallaki_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.290980
7 balochi_hgdp + dusadh_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.337926
8 balochi_hgdp + lodi_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.350567
9 balochi_hgdp + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.395133
10 balochi_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.428720
11 brahui_hgdp + chamar_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.465295
12 kol_metspalu + makrani_hgdp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.475331
13 brahui_hgdp + chenchu_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.488545
14 balochi_hgdp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev + tamil-nadar_harappa @ 2.489478
15 bhil_reich + brahui_hgdp + oriya_harappa + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.534161
16 cochin-jew_behar + dharkar_metspalu + sindhi_hgdp + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.538052
17 dharkar_metspalu + oriya_harappa + sindhi_hgdp + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.542712
18 brahui_hgdp + kol_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.543077
19 balochi_hgdp + south-african-indian_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.551185
20 brahui_hgdp + chamar_metspalu + oriya_harappa + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.561512

subzero85
04-02-2021, 12:23 AM
My Paternal uncle. MDL has taken a look and says it shows more of a Central Asian mixture instead of Iranian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 35.86
2 S-Indian 33.02
3 Caucasian 9.91
4 NE-Euro 6.75
5 Mediterranean 3.88
6 SW-Asian 3.83
7 Siberian 3.04
8 NE-Asian 2.10


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 up-muslim_harappa @ 4.357187
2 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 5.513995
3 punjabi_harappa @ 5.753206
4 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.384236
5 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 6.787147
6 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 7.134447
7 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 7.271508
8 kashmiri_harappa @ 7.436440
9 nepali_harappa @ 7.447775
10 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 7.546604
11 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 7.579695
12 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 7.958701
13 nepalese-a_xing @ 9.298099
14 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 9.535517
15 punjabi-arain_xing @ 9.590561
16 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 9.664124
17 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 9.817131
18 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 10.257105
19 sindhi_harappa @ 10.374112
20 up-brahmin_harappa @ 10.674819

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-muslim_harappa +50% up-muslim_harappa @ 4.087067


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% kerala-brahmin_harappa +25% meena_metspalu +25% turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.883279


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 balochi_hgdp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev + up-scheduled-caste_metspalu @ 2.137506
2 balochi_hgdp + naidu_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.221418
3 balochi_hgdp + kol_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.233024
4 balochi_hgdp + hallaki_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.238307
5 balochi_hgdp + kurumba_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.264821
6 brahui_hgdp + hallaki_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.290980
7 balochi_hgdp + dusadh_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.337926
8 balochi_hgdp + lodi_reich + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.350567
9 balochi_hgdp + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.395133
10 balochi_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.428720
11 brahui_hgdp + chamar_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.465295
12 kol_metspalu + makrani_hgdp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.475331
13 brahui_hgdp + chenchu_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.488545
14 balochi_hgdp + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev + tamil-nadar_harappa @ 2.489478
15 bhil_reich + brahui_hgdp + oriya_harappa + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.534161
16 cochin-jew_behar + dharkar_metspalu + sindhi_hgdp + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.538052
17 dharkar_metspalu + oriya_harappa + sindhi_hgdp + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.542712
18 brahui_hgdp + kol_metspalu + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.543077
19 balochi_hgdp + south-african-indian_harappa + sri-lankan_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 2.551185
20 brahui_hgdp + chamar_metspalu + oriya_harappa + turkmen_yunusbayev @ 2.561512

These components seem to be the notable ones compared to UP Syeds:
5 Mediterranean 3.88
6 SW-Asian 3.83
7 Siberian 3.04
8 NE-Asian 2.10

Raza94
04-02-2021, 03:03 AM
These components seem to be the notable ones compared to UP Syeds:
5 Mediterranean 3.88
6 SW-Asian 3.83
7 Siberian 3.04
8 NE-Asian 2.10

Yea the MED is surprising me, I thought it would be from his moms side cause mine is low but I guess its our side. Overall though it seems like the Syed ancestry is coming from Central Asia, most likely Bukhari. My guess would be they settled somewhere in Delhi/UP area and then were given land in Punjab and have stayed there since.