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Feiichy
02-03-2018, 05:39 PM
http://oi68.tinypic.com/34r6trq.jpg

GiourkasNinisiadis
02-11-2018, 03:39 PM
Cool results

Geborgenheit
02-11-2018, 04:12 PM
Looks like all over the place. And 20% reserved for trace results ?

Leto
02-12-2018, 10:39 AM
Is he Croatian?

Feiichy
02-14-2018, 02:25 PM
Looks like all over the place. And 20% reserved for trace results ?

It's all here, including trace results!

Feiichy
02-14-2018, 02:30 PM
Is he Croatian?

He is Magyar

kingjohn
02-14-2018, 02:37 PM
He is Magyar

today it should be a sad day for him as the linage of king arapd leader of the magyars turn r1a
and not i-m170 ;) :lol:

Feiichy
02-14-2018, 04:27 PM
today it should be a sad day for him as the linage of king arapd leader of the magyars turn r1a
and not i-m170 ;) :lol:

Certanly :angel:

To me it was expected Arpad was R1a! But question is was it Asian or European subclade...

kingjohn
02-14-2018, 04:38 PM
Certanly :angel:

To me it was expected Arpad was R1a! But question is was it Asian or European subclade...

we are not sure
but he probably belonged to r1a z93
pribislav posted something there .... https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8066-DISCUSSION-THREAD-FOR-quot-Genetic-Genealogy-and-Ancient-DNA-in-the-News-quot/page106

Feiichy
02-14-2018, 04:59 PM
we are not sure
but he probably belonged to r1a z93
pribislav posted something there .... https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8066-DISCUSSION-THREAD-FOR-quot-Genetic-Genealogy-and-Ancient-DNA-in-the-News-quot/page106

Is it sure, or just his speculation ? It wouldn't suprise me too much, as there is theory Arpad house were Turks (but still a matter of debate)

kingjohn
02-14-2018, 05:01 PM
Is it sure, or just his speculation ? It wouldn't suprise me too much, as there is theory Arpad house were Turks (but still a matter of debate)

no we don't know for sure thats why i bolded it :)
can be speculation but smart logical one ......

Geborgenheit
02-14-2018, 05:09 PM
It's all here, including trace results!

Yes, I have noticed that. What I am saying is that 20% for trace results seem too much. A couple of % is ok, but a result like this shows to me that the test cannot decide who the person is.

Feiichy
02-14-2018, 05:13 PM
Yes, I have noticed that. What I am saying is that 20% for trace results seem too much. A couple of % is ok, but a result like this shows to me that the test cannot decide who the person is.

Somehow it doesn't suprise me, Hungary located in heart of Europe. They extraordinary mixed.

His primarly component is east European though .

Leto
02-14-2018, 09:31 PM
He is Magyar
Is he Stears? If so, I'm glad for him having some non-European wog admixture. He always brags about how white, how European and how noble he is compared to us lesser East Europeans.

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 12:34 AM
Is he Stears? If so, I'm glad for him having some non-European wog admixture. He always brags about how white, how European and how noble he is compared to us lesser East Europeans.

It is trolling! He is very mixed genetically...
Of noble ancestry he is indeed, but that play no part in genetics.

surbakhunWeesste
02-15-2018, 03:52 AM
Is he Stears? If so, I'm glad for him having some non-European wog admixture. He always brags about how white, how European and how noble he is compared to us lesser East Europeans.

what is a wog?

Tz85
02-15-2018, 04:22 AM
Somehow it doesn't suprise me, Hungary located in heart of Europe. They extraordinary mixed.

His primarly component is east European though .

Really? I thought Hungarians were unique from their neighbors. Mainly Slavic with a Hun influence?

DrakeZoner
02-15-2018, 08:58 AM
Ancestry DNA and 23andme are good for general outlooks on your ancestry but good admixture calculators are better since they analyze all of your raw data.

Leto
02-15-2018, 12:57 PM
It is trolling! He is very mixed genetically...
Of noble ancestry he is indeed, but that play no part in genetics.
He has gone way too far with his 'trolling'. One of the most despicable persons on TA. Just saying.

JerryS.
02-15-2018, 01:57 PM
Is the proper way to address somebody from Hungary as Magyar or Hungarian? I've heard both used but what did the people in Hungarian use to identify themselves?

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 02:23 PM
what is a wog?

a insulting nickname for south european
like other nicknames for jews and other that i will not mention here
to keep my respect to this forum ....

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 04:32 PM
Really? I thought Hungarians were unique from their neighbors. Mainly Slavic with a Hun influence?

Every nation is unique :)
They aren't Slavic but Ugric, but they do have slavic admixture indeed (as well as others). Asian admixture in Hungary isn't significantly higher than in rest of the region, but traces are there.

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 04:35 PM
Is the proper way to address somebody from Hungary as Magyar or Hungarian? I've heard both used but what did the people in Hungarian use to identify themselves?

Magyar means Hungarian in their language. In you are foreigner, they will probably introduce themself as Hungarian (as it is in English), but among native speakers they refer to themself as Magyars.

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 04:39 PM
Every nation is unique :)
They aren't Slavic but Ugric, but they do have slavic admixture indeed (as well as others). Asian admixture in Hungary isn't significantly higher than in rest of the region, but traces are there.

linguesticly speaking not genetically speaking :)
genetically they are more of mixture of celtic tribes and slavic tribes ....
and we can see it as your boyfriend score also west europe

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 04:45 PM
linguesticly speaking not genetically speaking :)
genetically they are more of mixture of celtic tribes and slavic tribes ....
and we can see it as your boyfriend score also west europe

Yes. Here is his DNA land results:
https://i.imgur.com/6qJ3R4O.png
and Genecove result:
https://i.imgur.com/co5bBrj.png
my Heritage result:
https://i.imgur.com/2VCF14x.png

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 04:51 PM
Yes. Here is his DNA land results:
https://i.imgur.com/6qJ3R4O.png
and Genecove result:
https://i.imgur.com/co5bBrj.png
my Heritage result:
https://i.imgur.com/2VCF14x.png

eskimo/inuit in my heritage could indeed came from the magyar elite who force there language on the natives the balkan of my heritage is full with eastern european markers

don't see anything wierd here.......

yes in dna land what i say is more or less correct .....

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 04:57 PM
eskimo/inuit in my heritage could indeed came from the magyar elite who force there language on the natives the balkan of my heritage is full with eastern european markers

don't see anything wierd here.......

yes in dna land what i say is more or less correct .....

Hard to say how Hungarian conquerors looked like genetically. I saw a study that shows them similar to Central Asians. However, it isn't clear was it only elite ancestry or commoer as well.
They were mix of Uralic and Turkic tribes, with Iranic and Goth/Scandinavian influence that assimilated local Slavs and Celts in Carpathian Basin.

Very complex ethnogenesis, that's for sure... :)

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 05:01 PM
Hard to say how Hungarian conquerors looked like genetically. I saw a study that shows them similar to Central Asians. However, it isn't clear was it only elite ancestry or commoer as well.
They were mix of Uralic and Turkic tribes, with Iranic and Goth/Scandinavian influence that assimilated local Slavs and Celts in Carpathian Basin.

Very complex ethnogenesis, that's for sure... :)

but the turkic admixture in hungary is extremely low
many hungarians score in eurogenes k13 spreadsheet only 0.7%-1% siberian
while modern turks who speak a turcik language have much higher siberian admixture 5-8% and in some places even higher
so the turkic migration was more masive to antolia than to pannonia .....
i do agree with you that we don't know how the magyars were autosomally speaking they could without any doubt have eastern european ancestery ....

khanabadoshi
02-15-2018, 05:28 PM
Magyar means Hungarian in their language. In you are foreigner, they will probably introduce themself as Hungarian (as it is in English), but among native speakers they refer to themself as Magyars.

That's interesting, we call Hungarians, میگار "Maygar", pretty close to Magyar. I'd imagine the Arabs, Persian, and Turks also use the same term, as we probably got it from one of them.

khanabadoshi
02-15-2018, 05:34 PM
what is a wog?

Definition of wog
chiefly British, disparaging + offensive
: a dark-skinned foreigner; especially : one from the Middle East or Far East

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 05:34 PM
but the turkic admixture in hungary is extremely low
many hungarians score in eurogenes k13 spreadsheet only 0.7%-1% siberian
while modern turks who speak a turcik language have much higher siberian admixture 5-8% and in some places even higher
so the turkic migration was more masive to antolia than to pannonia .....
i do agree with you that we don't know how the magyars were autosomally speaking they could without any doubt have eastern european ancestery ....

According to this Hungarian study of ancient Magyar DNA, they were mix of Gothic and Hunnic tribes: http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794/1/Neparaczki_PhD.pdf

"Genetic data imply Xiongnu origin of the Hungarian Conquerors, who were considerably admixed with Germans of Scandinavian origin, Neparaczky 2016"

(based on 89 Hungarian Conquerors' samples)

31% Eastern and Inner Asia
6% likely Eastern and Inner Asia
28% Scandinavian German
10% likely Scandinavian German
6% Caucasus
6% Other Europeans
2% Slavic

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 05:37 PM
magyar tribes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_tribes

apperently they came from ural area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Mountains
if this indeed true than without anydoubt they carry with them some eastern european genes :)

i remmber when iwas 17 years old i went to a trip to hungary budapest
i was very impressed by this statue of the magyars
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Hosok_Tere_Budapest_-_Arpad_Front.jpg

ןin the center arpad the leader and now we know he was r1a as king bella descsenendet from him by direct male line :)

Kulin
02-15-2018, 05:37 PM
That's interesting, we call Hungarians, میگار "Maygar", pretty close to Magyar. I'd imagine the Arabs, Persian, and Turks also use the same term, as we probably got it from one of them.

Yes, they call it "Majar", the people or "Majaristan", the country. Actually, the old name of Poland too is used in Turkic languages and Persian, "Lehistan" from "Lechia", the land of Lech, the mythical ancestor of Poles.

khanabadoshi
02-15-2018, 05:39 PM
magyar tribes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_tribes

apperently they came from ural area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Mountains
if this indeed true than without anydoubt they carry with them some eastern european genes :)

i remmber when iwas 17 years old i went to a trip to hungary budapest
i was very impressed by this statue of the magyars
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Hosok_Tere_Budapest_-_Arpad_Front.jpg

ןin the center arpad the leader and now we know he was r1a as king bella descsenendet from him by direct male line :)

That is a really cool statue. Thanks for the post!

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 05:48 PM
His haplogroups:
https://i.imgur.com/yxpGF2e.png?2

Eihwaz
02-15-2018, 05:52 PM
His haplogroups:

Woah, did he get basal R* as his mtDNA, or was it from a low-marker test?

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 05:59 PM
Woah, did he get basal R* as his mtDNA, or was it from a low-marker test?

Low marker test, but everything is possible. Let's say he really got basal R*, what would that mean ?

His maternal ancestry isn't Hungarian but Croat from deep south of Dalmatia.

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 06:16 PM
Low marker test, but everything is possible. Let's say he really got basal R*, what would that mean ?

His maternal ancestry isn't Hungarian but Croat from deep south of Dalmatia.

so is he 1/4 or 1/8 croatian by geneology heritage ?

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 08:06 PM
so is he 1/4 or 1/8 croatian by geneology heritage ?

yes, 1/8 Croat from Hungary, but most of Croats in Hungary originally come from south of Croatia (refugees from Turkish wars) , his ancestor family name in particular :)

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 08:10 PM
yes, 1/8 Croat from Hungary, but most of Croats in Hungary originally come from south of Croatia (refugees from Turkish wars) , his ancestor family name in particular :)

do you think it shows in is autosomal dna results ?
and if so which elments ?
kind regards
adam

p.s
1/8 by geneology could be inherited by dna 12.5% or 6% :)

Feiichy
02-15-2018, 08:55 PM
do you think it shows in is autosomal dna results ?
and if so which elments ?
kind regards
adam

p.s
1/8 by geneology could be inherited by dna 12.5% or 6% :)

Well yes, he cluster with Croats, even gets it as no.1 population on some gedmatch claculators before Hungarian. But idk how reliable gedmatch is, and Croats and Hungarians are genetically close anyway.

He is bit more southern shifted than me, and more southern pulled than other Magyars (eastern as well), but that might be not only due to his Croatian ancestry, but also the fact he is half Szekely (ethnic Hungarians from Transylvania). They seem bit more southern, than Hungarians from Hungary. And he scores Caucasus component, which doesn't come from Croats.

kingjohn
02-15-2018, 10:55 PM
Well yes, he cluster with Croats, even gets it as no.1 population on some gedmatch claculators before Hungarian. But idk how reliable gedmatch is, and Croats and Hungarians are genetically close anyway.

He is bit more southern shifted than me, and more southern pulled than other Magyars (eastern as well), but that might be not only due to his Croatian ancestry, but also the fact he is half Szekely (ethnic Hungarians from Transylvania). They seem bit more southern, than Hungarians from Hungary. And he scores Caucasus component, which doesn't come from Croats.

yes if i remmber he score it in eurogenes k13
in this test ancestery dna results that you presented
and if my meomey don't betray me he also score in kurd k25 calculator but i think in k29 he score lower of it
maybe because kurd changed the reference of some clusters

the Caucasus in him could be alans

JerryS.
02-16-2018, 01:48 AM
this is a great thread that someone like me can follow. thanks folks for keeping this on a layman's level.

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 02:53 AM
When I view this dude Ancestry results just looks same as my DNA Tribes SNP Table 2 and 3.
I am partly descended "Slavic" nobility though, lol

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 03:02 AM
I find this interesting though, my Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% English + 7.6% Turkmen @ 0.7
2 87.7% Hungarian + 12.3% Russian @ 0.75
3 71.5% Croatian + 28.5% Finnish @ 0.81
4 98.4% Hungarian + 1.6% Pima @ 0.86
5 98.3% Hungarian + 1.7% Clovis @ 0.87
6 98.6% Hungarian + 1.4% Eskimo @ 0.9
7 98.4% Hungarian + 1.6% Altaian @ 0.95
8 98.8% Hungarian + 1.2% Nganasan @ 0.95
9 89.6% Hungarian + 10.4% Finnish @ 0.95
10 98.6% Hungarian + 1.4% Kalmyk @ 0.98
11 98.3% Hungarian + 1.7% Kyrgyz @ 0.98
12 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Ulchi @ 0.99
13 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Dai @ 1
14 98.8% Hungarian + 1.2% Mongola @ 1.01
15 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Han @ 1.01
16 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Ami @ 1.02
17 98.8% Hungarian + 1.2% Tibetan @ 1.04
18 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Steppe_IA @ 1.06
19 98% Hungarian + 2% Uygur @ 1.07
20 98.1% Hungarian + 1.9% Hazara @ 1.09

My theory: Elites in Europe probably retain some "Amerindian" type of admixture this is also interesting my results from @therrien.joel new oracles.

Starting known populations: Moldavian=37.6%; Polish=62.4%; Initial stdeviation=1.0082

Admixture sorted by match quality (smaller is better)

3.9% of Altaian taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67171 match quality:1.3662 max diff: 0.69444%
3.4% of Tuvinian taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67206 match quality:1.3665 max diff: 0.69444%
3% of Oroqen taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67335 match quality:1.3678 max diff: 0.69444%
3.5% of Mongolian taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67599 match quality:1.3704 max diff: 0.69444%
2.9% of Daur taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.69362 match quality:1.3881 max diff: 0.69444%
11.6% of Tatar taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.69924 match quality:1.3937 max diff: 0.69444%
2.8% of Xibo taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.71714 match quality:1.4116 max diff: 0.69444%
2.6% of Yakut taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.72687 match quality:1.4213 max diff: 0.69444%
2.6% of Chukchi taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.73802 match quality:1.4325 max diff: 0.69444%
2.6% of Koryak taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.73896 match quality:1.4334 max diff: 0.69444%

JerryS.
02-16-2018, 03:22 AM
I find this interesting though, my Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% English + 7.6% Turkmen @ 0.7
2 87.7% Hungarian + 12.3% Russian @ 0.75
3 71.5% Croatian + 28.5% Finnish @ 0.81
4 98.4% Hungarian + 1.6% Pima @ 0.86
5 98.3% Hungarian + 1.7% Clovis @ 0.87
6 98.6% Hungarian + 1.4% Eskimo @ 0.9
7 98.4% Hungarian + 1.6% Altaian @ 0.95
8 98.8% Hungarian + 1.2% Nganasan @ 0.95
9 89.6% Hungarian + 10.4% Finnish @ 0.95
10 98.6% Hungarian + 1.4% Kalmyk @ 0.98
11 98.3% Hungarian + 1.7% Kyrgyz @ 0.98
12 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Ulchi @ 0.99
13 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Dai @ 1
14 98.8% Hungarian + 1.2% Mongola @ 1.01
15 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Han @ 1.01
16 98.9% Hungarian + 1.1% Ami @ 1.02
17 98.8% Hungarian + 1.2% Tibetan @ 1.04
18 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Steppe_IA @ 1.06
19 98% Hungarian + 2% Uygur @ 1.07
20 98.1% Hungarian + 1.9% Hazara @ 1.09

Also my theory the Elites in Europe probably retain some "Amerindian" type of admixture this is also interesting my results from @therrien.joel new oracles.

Starting known populations: Moldavian=37.6%; Polish=62.4%; Initial stdeviation=1.0082

Admixture sorted by match quality (smaller is better)

3.9% of Altaian taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67171 match quality:1.3662 max diff: 0.69444%
3.4% of Tuvinian taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67206 match quality:1.3665 max diff: 0.69444%
3% of Oroqen taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67335 match quality:1.3678 max diff: 0.69444%
3.5% of Mongolian taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.67599 match quality:1.3704 max diff: 0.69444%
2.9% of Daur taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.69362 match quality:1.3881 max diff: 0.69444%
11.6% of Tatar taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.69924 match quality:1.3937 max diff: 0.69444%
2.8% of Xibo taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.71714 match quality:1.4116 max diff: 0.69444%
2.6% of Yakut taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.72687 match quality:1.4213 max diff: 0.69444%
2.6% of Chukchi taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.73802 match quality:1.4325 max diff: 0.69444%
2.6% of Koryak taken from: Moldavian std dev: 0.73896 match quality:1.4334 max diff: 0.69444%

i think Hungarian for you is the balance or mid-point for your 66% Belarusian and 33% Macedonian listed with your avatar. kind of like Frisian is the balance for my English/Scottish and North German.

Volat
02-16-2018, 03:33 AM
Gedrosa K6 for a fully Belarusian. Norwegians , Scotts , English , Icelanders are more similar to Belarusian than their immediate neighbours Russians and Lithuanians? That's unusual.


# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 1.32
2 Norwegian 2.32
3 Czech 3.07
4 Scottish 3.19
5 English 4.07
6 Icelandic 4.09
7 Europe_LNBA 4.2
8 Hungarian 4.64
9 Estonian 5.83
10 French 6.87
11 Lithuanian 6.98
12 Croatian 7.6
13 Russian 7.68
14 Finnish 8.38
15 Steppe_MLBA 9.58
16 Romanian 11.06
17 Spanish 11.73
18 Basque 12.53
19 Bulgarian 12.69
20 Albanian 17.74


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puntDNAL k15

1 Belarusian 0.91
2 Lithuanian 4.52
3 Russian 5.02
4 Karelian 5.69
5 Mordovian 5.72
6 Finnish 6.09
7 Polish 6.6
8 Swedish 10.11
9 Norwegian 12.65
10 North_German 13.53
11 Slovenian 14.62
12 Scottish 14.86
13 Austrian 15.07
14 Orcadian 15.35
15 Hungarian 15.77
16 Irish 15.91
17 English 16.33
18 Croatian 17.8
19 Utahn_White 19.69
20 South_German 20.31

96.3% Belarusian + 3.7% Swedish @ 0.83
2 94.6% Belarusian + 5.4% Polish @ 0.83
3 99.1% Belarusian + 0.9% Basque @ 0.84
4 97.7% Belarusian + 2.3% Scottish @ 0.84
5 97.4% Belarusian + 2.6% Norwegian @ 0.85
6 99.1% Belarusian + 0.9% Portuguese @ 0.85
7 97.6% Belarusian + 2.4% North_German @ 0.85
8 98% Belarusian + 2% English @ 0.85
9 97.9% Belarusian + 2.1% Orcadian @ 0.85
10 98.4% Belarusian + 1.6% Utahn_White @ 0.86
11 99.1% Belarusian + 0.9% Spaniard @ 0.86
12 98.1% Belarusian + 1.9% Irish @ 0.86
13 99.5% Belarusian + 0.5% Sardinian @ 0.86
14 98.5% Belarusian + 1.5% South_German @ 0.86
15 98.7% Belarusian + 1.3% French @ 0.86
16 99.7% Belarusian + 0.3% Somali @ 0.88
17 99.6% Belarusian + 0.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 0.88
18 99.3% Belarusian + 0.7% Italian @ 0.88
19 99.4% Belarusian + 0.6% Brazilian @ 0.88
20 98.4% Belarusian + 1.6% Slovenian @ 0.88





MyHeritage





https://s17.postimg.org/sc1cvkqov/pic.png

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 04:01 AM
i think Hungarian for you is the balance or mid-point for your 66% Belarusian and 33% Macedonian listed with your avatar. kind of like Frisian is the balance for my English/Scottish and North German.

Kind of but not really, we belong to "Sas" nobility on my paternal side (Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, Polish-Lithuanian) Central European house of nobility.

As of last century we have adopted Polish kultura, as far as our distant origins is debateable.

Tz85
02-16-2018, 04:13 AM
Kind of but not really, we belong to "Sas" nobility on my paternal side (Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, Polish-Lithuanian) Central European house of nobility.

As of last century we have adopted Polish kultura, as far as our distant origins is debateable.

Interesting. Their wasn't a lot of nobility from the Slavic lands. I have several noble lines, mostly Italian.

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 04:46 AM
Interesting. Their wasn't a lot of nobility from the Slavic lands. I have several noble lines, mostly Italian.

I will say this, "Nobility" for Slavs has to do with honor, defense of our lands from people that try invade us, this privilege is usually associated with a Surname and some land and the history of defeating Turks during Ottoman Wars.

For Italians "Nobility" can mean something else, my sister fiancée he Sicilian Italian dude has come from very wealthy family that is known as nobles I been told who knows, the nobility is more associated with wealth, money, power, intelligence, I think very different idea than Slavs who is more honor, combat, defense than simply riches.

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 04:50 AM
Interesting. Their wasn't a lot of nobility from the Slavic lands. I have several noble lines, mostly Italian.

My family Coat of Arms and some history in this article.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_coat_of_arms

Volat
02-16-2018, 04:51 AM
Interesting. Their wasn't a lot of nobility from the Slavic lands. I have several noble lines, mostly Italian.

15% of the population in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Higher concentration in what's today territory of Belarus (Back then Grand Duchy of Lithuania) and north-western Ukraine (back then Kingdom of Poland).


Map of magnates in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the 17th century.


https://s17.postimg.org/k6nwb84pb/RON_Magnates.png

Volat
02-16-2018, 05:05 AM
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Volat
02-16-2018, 06:36 AM
PCA based on Eurogenes K13 run with populations of central (Croats, Hungarians, East Germans, Austrians) and north-eastern Europe including some members of this discussion board.



https://s9.postimg.org/p838fi82n/Eurogenes_K13_PCA.png

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 08:53 AM
"Sas or Szász (origin: Polish: Sas, Hungarian: Szász, Romanian: Saş) is a Central European coat of arms. It was borne since the medieval period by several Transylvanian-Saxon Hungarian, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, and Polish-Lithuanian noble families. The house was once a mighty princely and ducal house with origins in Saxony, Transylvania, Hungary and Ruthenia.

According to the chronicles of Wojciech Strepa; Comes Huyd [Hujd] of Hungary, having come with his mighty army of allied mounted warrior knights to the service of Lev I of Galicia (1269–1301) the son of Daniel of Galicia King of Ruthenia, and having allied himself with Lithuania, drove the Eastern barbarians out of Mazovia. In reward for his knightly deeds, he was given, among other gifts, Lev's widowed sister-in-law N.N. of Galicia Princess of Kholm as a wife (the widow of Lev's brother Shvarn Daniilovich, sister of Vaišvilkas, daughter of King Mindaugas of Lithuania from the House of Mindaugas) and along with his allied knights lands in the territory of Red Ruthenia that they settled.

Count Huyd, who bore on his coat of arms the blue (azure) escutcheon with the gold (or) crescent, gold stars and gold arrow, and the knights who allied under his battle banner, are said to have been the progenitors of the House of Sas (Szász).

Early origins also point to the Hungarian Transylvanian-Saxon Voivodes Dragoş I de Bedeu (Bedő) voivode of Máramaros Prince of Moldavia and his successor son Sas de Beltiug (Hungarian Szász de Béltek) Prince of Moldavia, who bore the blue (azure) escutcheon with the gold crescent, gold stars and gold arrow on their coat of arms. Other notable scions of Dragoş I were Bartolomeu Drágfi of Beltiug (Béltek), Comes Perpetuus of Middle Szolnok (1479–1488), Voivode of Transylvania and Comes of the Székely people (1493–1499), who had distinguished himself earlier as a royal knight of the Hungarian Royal Court defeating the Ottoman Turks at the Battle of Breadfield (1479) together with Pál Kinizsi, István Báthory, Vuk Branković and Basarab Laiotă cel Bătrân. At the time of King Matthias Corvinus' death, Bartholomew Drágfi of Beltiug (Béltek) was among the wealthiest landowners of the country, three castles, two manor houses, eight market towns and about 200 villages were in his property. His estates in Middle Szolnok and Satu Mare included the castles of Chioar and Ardud together with the large lordships surrounding them, and further, the castles of Șoimi and the castellum of Ceheiu. Another important family member, among others, was Ioan Drágfi of Beltiug (Béltek) Comes of Temes County in 1525, who died 1526 in the Battle of Mohács."

Interesting AncestryDNA.com linked 23 distinct countries under Europe East, I wonder why?

Leto
02-16-2018, 11:10 AM
Gedrosa K6 for a fully Belarusian. Norwegians , Scotts , English , Icelanders are more similar to Belarusian than their immediate neighbours Russians and Lithuanians? That's unusual.
Some calculators use weird and unrepresentative references. That's true for Belarusians. And as Russians they might use Northern Russians.

Leto
02-16-2018, 11:12 AM
yes, 1/8 Croat from Hungary, but most of Croats in Hungary originally come from south of Croatia (refugees from Turkish wars) , his ancestor family name in particular :)
Share his Dodecad K12b results please.

Feiichy
02-16-2018, 12:53 PM
When I view this dude Ancestry results just looks same as my DNA Tribes SNP Table 2 and 3.
I am partly descended "Slavic" nobility though, lol

Very interesting! Certanly close to his results. I presume you are not fully Polish, especially if you have noble ancestry (as they are more mixed than common people)

Feiichy
02-16-2018, 12:56 PM
Interesting. Their wasn't a lot of nobility from the Slavic lands. I have several noble lines, mostly Italian.

Depends on slavic country. Poland and Croatia are traditonal aristocratic countries, and our nobility has always been pred. native, not of foreign origins. But that is not the case for other slavic lands, as far as I know.
(in Bosnia though nobility was also native, but that was Ottoman, not western nobility)

Feiichy
02-16-2018, 01:04 PM
MyHeritage
https://s17.postimg.org/sc1cvkqov/pic.png

Hello! What do you think of my results ? I socre quite high eastern European for a southern Slav with ancestry mostly from Adriatic islands, don't I ?
https://i.imgur.com/xHkQzgZ.png

as you can see my eastern european is same like yours, I get 0% Balkan. My boyfriend does though.

It seems I have quite preserved Slavic ancestry from eastern Europe, even 1500 years after Croats migration to ancient Dalmatia and Panonnia. I am proud of it :):amen:

Feiichy
02-16-2018, 01:09 PM
Share his Dodecad K12b results please.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.41
2 Atlantic_Med 23.95
3 Caucasus 17.17
4 Gedrosia 6.14
5 Southwest_Asian 3.56
6 Siberian 2.02
7 South_Asian 1.42
8 Northwest_African 1.05
9 East_African 0.24
10 Sub_Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.49
2 German (Dodecad) 11.73
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.28
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.08
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.7
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.54
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.61
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.66
9 Polish (Dodecad) 18.97
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.32
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.48
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.25
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.39
14 English (Dodecad) 21.47
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.51
16 French (Dodecad) 21.67
17 French (HGDP) 22.11
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.47
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.68
20 Argyll (1000Genomes) 23.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
2 91% Hungarians (Behar) + 9% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.33
3 89.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.39
4 90.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.39
5 53% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
6 91.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.5
7 91.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
8 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.8
9 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.84
10 91.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.9
11 90.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.94
12 88.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.96
13 90.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.3% Turks (Behar) @ 3.01
14 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.02
15 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09
16 90.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.11
17 55.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 44.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.17
18 93.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.2
19 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.2
20 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.22

Leto
02-16-2018, 01:28 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.41
2 Atlantic_Med 23.95
3 Caucasus 17.17
4 Gedrosia 6.14
5 Southwest_Asian 3.56
6 Siberian 2.02
7 South_Asian 1.42
8 Northwest_African 1.05
9 East_African 0.24
10 Sub_Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.49
2 German (Dodecad) 11.73
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.28
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.08
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.7
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.54
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.61
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.66
9 Polish (Dodecad) 18.97
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.32
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.48
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.25
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.39
14 English (Dodecad) 21.47
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.51
16 French (Dodecad) 21.67
17 French (HGDP) 22.11
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.47
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.68
20 Argyll (1000Genomes) 23.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
2 91% Hungarians (Behar) + 9% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.33
3 89.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.39
4 90.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.39
5 53% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
6 91.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.5
7 91.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
8 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.8
9 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.84
10 91.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.9
11 90.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.94
12 88.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.96
13 90.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.3% Turks (Behar) @ 3.01
14 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.02
15 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09
16 90.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.11
17 55.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 44.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.17
18 93.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.2
19 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.2
20 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.22
So he is not as Western as he has claimed for years. I mean of course he's white, no one says otherwise, but he is nothing special either. He even has some East and South Asian percentage above the noise level. And I score less Caucasus and Gedrosia than him.

Volat
02-16-2018, 01:31 PM
Hello! What do you think of my results ? I socre quite high eastern European for a southern Slav with ancestry mostly from Adriatic islands, don't I ?
https://i.imgur.com/xHkQzgZ.png

as you can see my eastern european is same like yours, I get 0% Balkan. My boyfriend does though.

It seems I have quite preserved Slavic ancestry from eastern Europe, even 1500 years after Croats migration to ancient Dalmatia and Panonnia. I am proud of it :):amen:

I don't know what other south-east Europeans score for East European in MyHeritage analysis. 65.8% is not the highest I've seen. Yours is a mix with eastern , northern, and southern European plus Ashkenazi. Mine is boring made of two components only. :)

Feiichy
02-16-2018, 01:49 PM
So he is not as Western as he has claimed for years. I mean of course he's white, no one says otherwise, but he is nothing special either. He even has some East and South Asian percentage above the noise level. And I score less Caucasus and Gedrosia than him.

Actually he's pretty uniqe :D He has some kind of North Caucasus pull that other Hungarians lack. and he is less western that is average :)

Ofcourse you will score less, you are north-east European!

Feiichy
02-16-2018, 01:51 PM
I don't know what other south-east Europeans score for East European in MyHeritage analysis. 65.8% is not the highest I've seen. Yours is a mix with eastern , northern, and southern European plus Ashkenazi. Mine is boring made of two components only. :)

They usually score Balkan and minor east European. I have highest east european score for any southern slav I have seen so far :)
Their algoritm really works for me, since my real ancestry is mostly south slavic + german + askhenazi

PS I am not suproised with your baltic score, as far as I remember you are northern Belarusian ;)

Modernancientdna
02-16-2018, 11:27 PM
Very interesting! Certanly close to his results. I presume you are not fully Polish, especially if you have noble ancestry (as they are more mixed than common people)

My ancestors lived for long time in western Ukraine. 6/8 great grandparents were ethnic Poles, 1/8 Bulgarian, 1/8 Sephardic/Ashkenazi

On the new updated MyHeritage I have matches that will score mostly "Balkan" and in profile they have flag from Bulgaria, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, etc

Roaring
02-17-2018, 11:33 PM
They usually score Balkan and minor east European. I have highest east european score for any southern slav I have seen so far :)
Their algoritm really works for me, since my real ancestry is mostly south slavic + german + askhenazi

PS I am not suproised with your baltic score, as far as I remember you are northern Belarusian ;)

MH doesn't really work well, i f.e. get more baltic than Volat while i obviously have less of that type of ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/z1URd7p.png

kingjohn
02-18-2018, 12:28 PM
I don't know what other south-east Europeans score for East European in MyHeritage analysis. 65.8% is not the highest I've seen. Yours is a mix with eastern , northern, and southern European plus Ashkenazi. Mine is boring made of two components only. :)

they score much much lower than her usually they score huge balkan though :)

Feiichy
02-18-2018, 06:49 PM
MH doesn't really work well, i f.e. get more baltic than Volat while i obviously have less of that type of ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/z1URd7p.png

But if you are north-west Russian, shouldn't you score decent amount of baltic ?

Roaring
02-18-2018, 07:00 PM
But if you are north-west Russian, shouldn't you score decent amount of baltic ?

There are some connections, yes, but overall i'm more distant from Balts than Volat is on any other calculator.

Other thing is my Granddad, who is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Belarussian Polish and 1\4 Pskov Russian.

Here is his MH:

https://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png


Compare to FTDNA and Eurogenes K15

https://i.imgur.com/nWn6f1s.png

1 53.5% North_Dutch + 46.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.72
2 53.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.8% Orcadian @ 2.79
3 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% Orcadian @ 2.88
4 57.9% South_Polish + 42.1% North_Dutch @ 2.92
5 53.3% North_Dutch + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.11
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Danish @ 3.13
7 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Ukrainian @ 3.17
8 52% South_Polish + 48% North_German @ 3.21
9 51.2% North_Dutch + 48.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.21
10 53.5% Southwest_Russian + 46.5% Orcadian @ 3.22




I guess now you can see how weird and off can MH results be.

kingjohn
02-18-2018, 07:09 PM
There are some connections, yes, but overall i'm more distant from Balts than Volat is on any other calculator.

Other thing is my Granddad, who is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Belarussian Polish and 1\4 Pskov Russian.

Here is his MH:

https://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png


Compare to FTDNA and Eurogenes K15

https://i.imgur.com/nWn6f1s.png

1 53.5% North_Dutch + 46.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.72
2 53.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.8% Orcadian @ 2.79
3 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% Orcadian @ 2.88
4 57.9% South_Polish + 42.1% North_Dutch @ 2.92
5 53.3% North_Dutch + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.11
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Danish @ 3.13
7 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Ukrainian @ 3.17
8 52% South_Polish + 48% North_German @ 3.21
9 51.2% North_Dutch + 48.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.21
10 53.5% Southwest_Russian + 46.5% Orcadian @ 3.22




I guess now you can see how weird and off can MH results be.

in your grandfather case i would say my origins 2.0 did a better job the huge west central europe is inline with baltic german ancestery
and german ancestery generally speaking ..... :)

Feiichy
02-18-2018, 07:13 PM
There are some connections, yes, but overall i'm more distant from Balts than Volat is on any other calculator.

Other thing is my Granddad, who is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Belarussian Polish and 1\4 Pskov Russian.

Here is his MH:

https://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png


Compare to FTDNA and Eurogenes K15

https://i.imgur.com/nWn6f1s.png

1 53.5% North_Dutch + 46.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.72
2 53.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.8% Orcadian @ 2.79
3 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% Orcadian @ 2.88
4 57.9% South_Polish + 42.1% North_Dutch @ 2.92
5 53.3% North_Dutch + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.11
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Danish @ 3.13
7 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Ukrainian @ 3.17
8 52% South_Polish + 48% North_German @ 3.21
9 51.2% North_Dutch + 48.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.21
10 53.5% Southwest_Russian + 46.5% Orcadian @ 3.22

I guess now you can see how weird and off can MH results be.

True, his gedmatch and FTDNA make much more sense :)

kingjohn
02-18-2018, 07:20 PM
it is possible that if his grandfather would have been tested directly with my heritage
instead of just uploading raw data that his results would fit much better to his known geneological ancestery .....

Feiichy
02-18-2018, 07:31 PM
it is possible that if his grandfather would have been tested directly with my heritage
instead of just uploading raw data that his results would fit much better to his known geneological ancestery .....

Yes, I think it's possible.

Roaring
02-18-2018, 09:21 PM
it is possible that if his grandfather would have been tested directly with my heritage
instead of just uploading raw data that his results would fit much better to his known geneological ancestery .....


Yes, I think it's possible.


That's most likely would've been the case, but what if i knew nothing or very little about DNA testing and got such results? At least i would've been confused, as it doesn't add up with family history at all. My opinion here is you either make it propper or not make at all.

JerryS.
02-18-2018, 09:25 PM
looking at those ethnicity results, I don't understand how some can be so very different. like one has 13% southern Europe (Greek/Italian) while the others shows absolute zero.

kingjohn
02-18-2018, 09:34 PM
why there are diffrernces between companies results
from my heritage site

There are several reasons why these estimates vary from company to company, including but not limited to the following:
Different reference populations. Each company has its own database of reference populations, which can have a significant impact on ethnicity assignments. Reference population databases have been refined several times by the testing companies, and this is expected to continue.

Phased versus unphased raw data. Phasing the raw data - assigning the DNA into one of two different chromosomes (one from each parent) - can have an impact on ethnicity assingments, although not as significant as different reference populations. Some companies do not phage the raw data before performing the ethnicity analysis.

Confidence levels. The ethnicity estimate for every DNA segment is associated with a probability of the confidence in that assignment. Depending on the confidence-level threshold selected by the company, some ethnicities may not be reported to the test-taker. For example, an ethnicity estimate with a confidence level of 85 percent will not be reported if the company has decided to show only ethnicity estimates above a 95 percent confidence level.

Have a wonderful day.

Best regards,


MyHeritage team Yehudah

JerryS.
02-19-2018, 12:04 AM
why there are diffrernces between companies results
from my heritage site

There are several reasons why these estimates vary from company to company, including but not limited to the following:
Different reference populations. Each company has its own database of reference populations, which can have a significant impact on ethnicity assignments. Reference population databases have been refined several times by the testing companies, and this is expected to continue.

Phased versus unphased raw data. Phasing the raw data - assigning the DNA into one of two different chromosomes (one from each parent) - can have an impact on ethnicity assingments, although not as significant as different reference populations. Some companies do not phage the raw data before performing the ethnicity analysis.

Confidence levels. The ethnicity estimate for every DNA segment is associated with a probability of the confidence in that assignment. Depending on the confidence-level threshold selected by the company, some ethnicities may not be reported to the test-taker. For example, an ethnicity estimate with a confidence level of 85 percent will not be reported if the company has decided to show only ethnicity estimates above a 95 percent confidence level.

Have a wonderful day.

Best regards,


MyHeritage team Yehudah

I understand different reference populations, but even then, there should be some basic commonalities. next, the confidence level seems like its based on their own interpretations of the results. but the phased and unphased, I do not know what that means.

Leto
02-19-2018, 05:32 PM
Other thing is my Granddad, who is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Belarussian Polish and 1\4 Pskov Russian.

Compare to FTDNA and Eurogenes K15


1 53.5% North_Dutch + 46.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.72
2 53.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.8% Orcadian @ 2.79
3 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% Orcadian @ 2.88
4 57.9% South_Polish + 42.1% North_Dutch @ 2.92
5 53.3% North_Dutch + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.11
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Danish @ 3.13
7 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Ukrainian @ 3.17
8 52% South_Polish + 48% North_German @ 3.21
9 51.2% North_Dutch + 48.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.21
10 53.5% Southwest_Russian + 46.5% Orcadian @ 3.22

He is very similar to Czechs, they are basically what you described as his background.

Modernancientdna
02-19-2018, 05:52 PM
Hello! What do you think of my results ? I socre quite high eastern European for a southern Slav with ancestry mostly from Adriatic islands, don't I ?
https://i.imgur.com/xHkQzgZ.png

as you can see my eastern european is same like yours, I get 0% Balkan. My boyfriend does though.

It seems I have quite preserved Slavic ancestry from eastern Europe, even 1500 years after Croats migration to ancient Dalmatia and Panonnia. I am proud of it :):amen:

There is heavy overlapping on Slavic components (Balkan, East European, Baltic) for example I am I2 Y-DNA and actually I score (0% Balkan) here but my top matches get close to 100% Balkan.

My % on left side:

- 1 Croatia (96.8% Balkan)
- 2 Croatia (88.5% Balkan)
- 3 Bulgaria (66.1% Balkan)
- 4 Bosnia (68.4% Balkan)

kingjohn
02-19-2018, 06:26 PM
There is heavy overlapping on Slavic components (Balkan, East European, Baltic) for example I am I2 Y-DNA and actually I score (0% Balkan) here but my top matches get close to 100% Balkan.

My % on left side:

- 1 Croatia (96.8% Balkan)
- 2 Croatia (88.5% Balkan)
- 3 Bulgaria (66.1% Balkan)
- 4 Bosnia (68.4% Balkan)

for sure you are correct
my mother 20% balkan
and get no eastern european or baltic
yet me get 9% east europe +baltic ...... nad my father 0% for any of those
so there muct be overlapp here :)

Feiichy
02-19-2018, 06:34 PM
There is heavy overlapping on Slavic components (Balkan, East European, Baltic) for example I am I2 Y-DNA and actually I score (0% Balkan) here but my top matches get close to 100% Balkan.

My % on left side:

- 1 Croatia (96.8% Balkan)
- 2 Croatia (88.5% Balkan)
- 3 Bulgaria (66.1% Balkan)
- 4 Bosnia (68.4% Balkan)

Thanks! Do you know where are these Croats you match from ?

Volat
02-19-2018, 08:14 PM
There are some connections, yes, but overall i'm more distant from Balts than Volat is on any other calculator.

Other thing is my Granddad, who is 1\2 Baltic German, 1\4 Belarussian Polish and 1\4 Pskov Russian.

Here is his MH:

https://i.imgur.com/1Mf6Esj.png



My score fractionally higher at Eurogenes K13 that your grandfather, yet he scores a lot more in MH.. MH evaluates components differently.


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8408-Unetice-culture-was-clearly-multi-ethnic&p=192614&viewfull=1#post192614

Volat
02-19-2018, 09:13 PM
@roaring

Use zoom function at the bottom : https://www.dropbox.com/s/9oin61tyttd86sq/k30.png

Modernancientdna
02-20-2018, 04:35 AM
Thanks! Do you know where are these Croats you match from ?

- Croat 1 (Ugrina) other family tree surnames (Bakac, Buljevic, Cvitanic, Jovanovic, Kutlesa, Marijanovic, Mladinic, Peric, Petrovic, Santic, Slipcevic). Locations of birth (Milna Island of Brac, Livno, Jovanovici, Island of Pag, Priluka)

- Croat 2 (Trelec) other family tree surnames (Bozanic, Jelic, Rajkovic). Locations of birth (Kneginec Gornji, Crnac Jezerane)

- Another Croat (Scepanovic). Locations of birth (Kutina)

That is some brief information I have, is there any connections can be made on origins of these people how I am related? Most are 10-20 CM matches, one is 36.9 CM and my second highest match. Thanks


My Results: MDLP K23b

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_ +50% Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.313958


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian-West_ +25% Serb_Serbia_ +25% Sorb_ @ 2.313637


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croat_BH_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.262931
2 Balt_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Slovak_ @ 2.268562
3 Croat_ + Kashub_ + Russian-Upper-Volga_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.301867
4 Belarusian-East_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Sorb_ @ 2.307216
5 Balt_ + Belarusian-East_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Slovak_ @ 2.309573
6 Russian-West_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Sorb_ @ 2.313637
7 Estonian_ + Estonian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.313958
8 Austrian_ + Russian-West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.318556
9 Finn_West_ + Pole_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.331589
10 Russian-North-West_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.335764
11 Belarusian-East_ + Croat_BH_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.336988
12 Belarusian_Russian_ + Finn_West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.344111
13 Finn_West_ + Mixed_East_Slav_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.352682
14 Belarusian-East_ + Croat_ + Kashub_ + Russian-Upper-Volga_ @ 2.353293
15 Austrian_ + Belarusian-East_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.354281
16 Belarusian_West_ + Croat_BH_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.357578
17 Estonian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Slovak_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.361655
18 Croat_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.364192
19 Russian-North-West_ + Russian-North-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.364766
20 Balt_ + Croat_ + Estonian_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.365540

Done.

Volat
02-20-2018, 06:20 AM
@Feiichy

It's a 3d which may give an optical illusion viewing the plot on 2D plane. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tpcvnpu1w3ilrf/Graph21.png

Feiichy
02-20-2018, 12:12 PM
@Feiichy

It's a 3d which may give an optical illusion viewing the plot on 2D plane. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tpcvnpu1w3ilrf/Graph21.png

Thanks a lot! Amazing :beerchug:

Feiichy
02-20-2018, 12:14 PM
- Croat 1 (Ugrina) other family tree surnames (Bakac, Buljevic, Cvitanic, Jovanovic, Kutlesa, Marijanovic, Mladinic, Peric, Petrovic, Santic, Slipcevic). Locations of birth (Milna Island of Brac, Livno, Jovanovici, Island of Pag, Priluka)

- Croat 2 (Trelec) other family tree surnames (Bozanic, Jelic, Rajkovic). Locations of birth (Kneginec Gornji, Crnac Jezerane)

- Another Croat (Scepanovic). Locations of birth (Kutina)

That is some brief information I have, is there any connections can be made on origins of these people how I am related? Most are 10-20 CM matches, one is 36.9 CM and my second highest match. Thanks


My Results: MDLP K23b

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_ +50% Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.313958


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian-West_ +25% Serb_Serbia_ +25% Sorb_ @ 2.313637


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croat_BH_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.262931
2 Balt_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Slovak_ @ 2.268562
3 Croat_ + Kashub_ + Russian-Upper-Volga_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.301867
4 Belarusian-East_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Sorb_ @ 2.307216
5 Balt_ + Belarusian-East_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Slovak_ @ 2.309573
6 Russian-West_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Sorb_ @ 2.313637
7 Estonian_ + Estonian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.313958
8 Austrian_ + Russian-West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.318556
9 Finn_West_ + Pole_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.331589
10 Russian-North-West_ + Russian-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.335764
11 Belarusian-East_ + Croat_BH_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.336988
12 Belarusian_Russian_ + Finn_West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.344111
13 Finn_West_ + Mixed_East_Slav_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.352682
14 Belarusian-East_ + Croat_ + Kashub_ + Russian-Upper-Volga_ @ 2.353293
15 Austrian_ + Belarusian-East_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.354281
16 Belarusian_West_ + Croat_BH_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.357578
17 Estonian_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Slovak_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.361655
18 Croat_ + Finn_West_ + Ukrainian_Center_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.364192
19 Russian-North-West_ + Russian-North-West_ + Serb_Serbia_ + Ukrainian_Center_ @ 2.364766
20 Balt_ + Croat_ + Estonian_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.365540

Done.

I am not sure, perhaps you have some distant south slavic ancestry ?

Modernancientdna
02-20-2018, 01:49 PM
I am not sure, perhaps you have some distant south slavic ancestry ?

From my results is more recent than distant, it would be good to know how my ancestor and some others went Ukraine and other relatives move around Balkans.

Leto
03-03-2018, 03:58 PM
and last thing
indeed i was born in the levant israel
but i am part european genetically 35-40%
even the aschenazi were in europe from 200 ad -1939 till the nazis....
and the sefhardi were from 300 ad 1939 also in europe we are talking here that part of my ancestors were
in europe for almost 2000 years i wouldn't call them non- european
and i am not talking here about my bulgarian heritage who were in europe for 8000 years or even longer
my mtdna is also european -h3
yes some of h3 is found in northwest african
but this mtdna was found in 5000 bc spain and 4500 france paris area ........
enough time in my book .....
the farmers made europe .......
Yes, I remember you are 1/4 Bulgarian. The Ashkenazim are up to 50% European genetically, that's true. However, Jews usually don't identify as European or white and if they do, it's often not sincere. Jews are Jews first and foremost, as far as I know.

kingjohn
03-03-2018, 04:07 PM
agree i don't identify as white
i identify as Caucasoid
just want top mention that as oposed to kurds and other non euro there
i do have some european genes

lukaszM
03-03-2018, 10:31 PM
Stears' related threads are always long:)

Leto
03-03-2018, 10:32 PM
agree i don't identify as white
i identify as Caucasoid
just want top mention that as oposed to kurds and other non euro there
i do have some european genes

Fair enough.

Leto
03-03-2018, 10:33 PM
Stears' realted thread are always long:)
There's nothing more to say about him.

Mingle
03-07-2018, 05:59 PM
but the turkic admixture in hungary is extremely low
many hungarians score in eurogenes k13 spreadsheet only 0.7%-1% siberian
while modern turks who speak a turcik language have much higher siberian admixture 5-8% and in some places even higher
so the turkic migration was more masive to antolia than to pannonia .....
i do agree with you that we don't know how the magyars were autosomally speaking they could without any doubt have eastern european ancestery ....

True. Anatolian Turks are significantly different from their neighbors showing a very clear pull towards the east. Hungarians on the other hand are even less eastern than Romanians are.

Modernancientdna
03-07-2018, 06:50 PM
True. Anatolian Turks show are significantly different from their neighbors showing a very clear pull towards the east. Hungarians on the other hand are even less eastern than Romanians are.

Some knowledge on original Hungarians and other Central European nobility.

History of my paternal line, who were I2 people:

"Polish: Sas, Hungarian: Szász, Romanian: Saş) is a Central European coat of arms. It was borne since the medieval period by several Transylvanian-Saxon Hungarian, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, and Polish-Lithuanian noble families. The house was once a mighty princely and ducal house with origins in Saxony, Transylvania, Hungary and Ruthenia.

According to the chronicles of Wojciech Strepa; Comes Huyd [Hujd] of Hungary, having come with his mighty army of allied mounted warrior knights to the service of Lev I of Galicia (1269–1301) the son of Daniel of Galicia King of Ruthenia, and having allied himself with Lithuania, drove the Eastern barbarians out of Mazovia. In reward for his knightly deeds, he was given, among other gifts, Lev's widowed sister-in-law N.N. of Galicia Princess of Kholm as a wife (the widow of Lev's brother Shvarn Daniilovich, sister of Vaišvilkas, daughter of King Mindaugas of Lithuania from the House of Mindaugas) and along with his allied knights lands in the territory of Red Ruthenia that they settled.

Early origins also point to the Hungarian Transylvanian-Saxon Voivodes Dragoş I de Bedeu (Bedő) voivode of Máramaros Prince of Moldavia and his successor son Sas de Beltiug (Hungarian Szász de Béltek) Prince of Moldavia, who bore the blue (azure) escutcheon with the gold crescent, gold stars and gold arrow on their coat of arms. Other notable scions of Dragoş I were Bartolomeu Drágfi of Beltiug (Béltek), Comes Perpetuus of Middle Szolnok (1479–1488), Voivode of Transylvania and Comes of the Székely people (1493–1499), who had distinguished himself earlier as a royal knight of the Hungarian Royal Court defeating the Ottoman Turks at the Battle of Breadfield (1479) together with Pál Kinizsi, István Báthory, Vuk Branković and Basarab Laiotă cel Bătrân. At the time of King Matthias Corvinus' death, Bartholomew Drágfi of Beltiug (Béltek) was among the wealthiest landowners of the country, three castles, two manor houses, eight market towns and about 200 villages were in his property. His estates in Middle Szolnok and Satu Mare included the castles of Chioar and Ardud together with the large lordships surrounding them, and further, the castles of Șoimi and the castellum of Ceheiu. Another important family member, among others, was Ioan Drágfi of Beltiug (Béltek) Comes of Temes County in 1525, who died 1526 in the Battle of Mohács."

Polish surnames belonging to Central European nobility:

Baczyński, Bandrowski, Baraniecki, Bereznicki, Biliński, Błazowski, Bojarski, Bratkowski, Bryliński, Brześciański, Buchowski, Chodakowski, Czołhański, Daniłowicz, Długopolski, Dobrzański, Dubrawski, Dziedoszycki, Dziedziel, Hoszowski, Hrebnicki, Huhernicki, Jamiński, Jasiński, Jaworski, Kłodnicki, Komarnicki, Kropiwnicki, Kruszelnicki, Lityński, Łucki, Mańczak, Manesterski, Mikulski, Mściszewski, Nowosielski, Odrzechowski, Orłowski, Podwysocki, Raszkowski, Rosźniatowski, Rudnicki, Siemiasz, Skotnicki, Strutyński, Sulatycki, Świstelnicki, Tarnawski, Tatomir, Terlecki, Tersmer, Tyssarowski, Uniatycki, Winnicki, Wisłocki, Witwicki, Wołkowicki, Wołosiecki, Woryski, Zapłatyński, Zawisza, Zeliborski, Zesteliński, Zurakowski, Żukotyński.

Modernancientdna
03-07-2018, 07:13 PM
Here is where Jasz people living now

Modernancientdna
03-07-2018, 07:21 PM
True. Anatolian Turks show are significantly different from their neighbors showing a very clear pull towards the east. Hungarians on the other hand are even less eastern than Romanians are.

Some Eastern Europeans are more East Eurasian shifted than Hungarians, the reason is simple ancient Eurasian populations who founded region have been assimilated over many generations into the near populations. This why some modern Hungarians are almost same as Germans while others retained more significant Eurasian components.

Modernancientdna
03-07-2018, 07:47 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_coat_of_arms

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03-09-2018, 06:16 AM
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